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Message from Turkey to Italy
I know we had discussed F Ank, but I'm afraid that after looking at the
situation, I couldn't afford to completely turn my back to you. It
wasn't an easy choice, but I felt I needed balance.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> I know we had discussed F Ank, but I'm afraid that after looking at the
> situation, I couldn't afford to completely turn my back to you. It
> wasn't an easy choice, but I felt I needed balance.
Jason,
It looks like you made a deal with the Russian to come attack me.
You will see from the French builds that I am currently in check.
He has lied to you every turn, Im not quite sure what it would take for
him to convince you that I was the threat.
I just left the AEG open for an entire year when I could have gone there.
Help me out here, how is this in ANY way balancing....
Andy
Message from Italy to England and France
Erik....
Help me out here....
Explain the builds. I want to hear it, in your words.
Message from Italy to Austria
Philippe,
Well...I owe you an apology.
You have nothing to fear from me in the short to medium term.
I have much bigger problems.
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric, Im not sure what you said to the Turk to scare him, but I commend
you.
Message from Turkey to Italy
I don't think one fleet is any cause for concern. I appreciate the fact
that you stayed out of Aeg, and I'm not looking to take you on right
now. I'm much more interested in the Austrian.
But between you yelling about the Russian and him yelling about you, I
dare say both of you are smelling blood in my direction. I just want to
make sure that neither of you gets too tempted to cherry pick empty centers.
I know there's a decent change that A Sev will head for Arm, but
unfortunately building in Ank leaves my back wide open for you. Smy
doesn't threaten you, but it does give me a mild bit of cover.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> I don't think one fleet is any cause for concern. I appreciate the fact
> that you stayed out of Aeg, and I'm not looking to take you on right
> now. I'm much more interested in the Austrian.
With a locked enemy in Austria, and France building F MAR..I think I am in
more than a bit of a jam.
> But between you yelling about the Russian and him yelling about you, I
> dare say both of you are smelling blood in my direction. I just want to
> make sure that neither of you gets too tempted to cherry pick empty centers.
I have never been in a position to cherry pick anything, he has lied to
you every turn.
Why the suspicion.
> I know there's a decent change that A Sev will head for Arm, but
> unfortunately building in Ank leaves my back wide open for you. Smy
> doesn't threaten you, but it does give me a mild bit of cover.
And what exactly would I do now that I wouldnt have done when you had one
less unit to defend with.
Andy
Message from France to England and Italy
> Erik....
>
> Help me out here....
>
> Explain the builds. I want to hear it, in your words.
Andy:
I'll be happy to explain the builds, but not in my words. Instead, I'll
use the words of a fictional, hyperbolized 18th-century pirate.
Arrrr, 'twas a hard bargain the yellow-bellied English dog struck with me
and me mateys -- no fleets in Brest, he tells me, lest I should wish to
see the Armada strike out across the channel in search of French blood.
So here's what I'll do, I tells myself, I'll build me a fleet of stout
sail and sturdy cannon in the drydocks of Marseilles, and keep her there
as a reminder to me Italian friends and neighbors that the French still
keep a keen eye on their southern shores. And there she shall stay, until
such time that she is called out to sea by salty Italian brigands or a
battle up north for which I am ill-prepared.
Listen, last I checked, you just wanted me to make good with England and
keep plugging away at your nemesis, Tony. We never made any agreement
about building / not building in Mar, so I didn't think it necessary to
keep you informed of 11th-hour horse trading. In any case, it's clearly no
help to me against you except in defense, so as long as you keep your
fleets on your side of the Med, you don't need to worry about it. Right?
Erik
Message from Italy to England and France
>
> I'll be happy to explain the builds, but not in my words. Instead, I'll
> use the words of a fictional, hyperbolized 18th-century pirate.
Erik...let me paraphrase my interpretation of your response to me.....
"Tough shit, I dont trust you at all"
Thats ok....and with our history its not all that surprising.
I just want to make sure that we both understand how I feel about this.
Message from France to Italy
>
> "Tough shit, I dont trust you at all"
>
> Thats ok....and with our history its not all that surprising.
>
> I just want to make sure that we both understand how I feel about this.
Andy:
No, my response paraphrased was, "You're being so overly concerned about
this, I can't help but make light of it by speaking like a pirate." If I
were really after you, I would have convinced Ben to let me build F Bre,
still built F Mar, and sent everything after you. The real truth is that
while A Par is useful against Germany, A Bre would have been kind of far
away to do any good, and A Mar would have been just as offensive to you.
France always does better with a healthy navy, and right now, Marseilles
is an easier build politically than Brest. And while I actually *do* trust
you somewhat, it's always easier to trust a neighbor if there's a little
security around to enforce the trust, you know what I mean?
I know I walked into Piedmont the first turn of the game, but since then,
I've been nothing but accomodating to you. Give me a little credit, will
you? You want Tony dead? Then provide a little more help than the
occassional two-line e-mails that complain about this or that build. If I
could trade all the ellipses you include in your press for armies, I'd
have overrun Berlin by this point, but since I can't, and you're not
willing to provide any other resources to help England and I in our fight,
you'll just have to trust my decisions and hope that we can chip away at
the German defenses in the long run.
Erik
Message from Russia to Italy
:)
I appreciate the compliment. I assume the builds make it unlikely that he's
going to support you to Ser, so I'm not expecting to tap Bud in the Spring.
But there's still lots of room for RI cooperation.
BTW, I've got jury duty today, so don't know when I'll be able to get back to
my computer before late night. I don't think they have wireless in the
courtroom yet!
--- Eric
Message from Italy to France
Erik
> No, my response paraphrased was, "You're being so overly concerned about
> this, I can't help but make light of it by speaking like a pirate." If I
> were really after you, I would have convinced Ben to let me build F Bre,
> still built F Mar, and sent everything after you. The real truth is that
> while A Par is useful against Germany, A Bre would have been kind of far
> away to do any good, and A Mar would have been just as offensive to you.
You are correct here.....it would have been more offensive...good point.
> France always does better with a healthy navy, and right now, Marseilles
> is an easier build politically than Brest. And while I actually *do* trust
> you somewhat, it's always easier to trust a neighbor if there's a little
> security around to enforce the trust, you know what I mean?
Absolutely
> I know I walked into Piedmont the first turn of the game, but since then,
> I've been nothing but accomodating to you. Give me a little credit, will
> you? You want Tony dead?
Yes...and I should you are correct.
Then provide a little more help than the
> occassional two-line e-mails that complain about this or that build. If I
> could trade all the ellipses you include in your press for armies, I'd
> have overrun Berlin by this point, but since I can't, and you're not
> willing to provide any other resources to help England and I in our fight,
> you'll just have to trust my decisions and hope that we can chip away at
> the German defenses in the long run.
Well...I think I will be providing you more in the future.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
I would tell you if I thought he wanted to attack you - why wouldn't I -
right now I think he didn't know what else to do with the build. I could be
wrong & I'm not asking you to do anything particular, just sharing my 2c.
Probably because of your history, you scare the crap out of him.
Ben
Message from Italy to Russia
> I appreciate the compliment. I assume the builds make it
unlikely that he's
> going to support you to Ser, so I'm not expecting to tap Bud in the Spring.
> But there's still lots of room for RI cooperation.
Actually...yes I still need you to tap BUD, he says he is still supporting
me there, so please go forward with that.
> BTW, I've got jury duty today, so don't know when I'll be able to get back to
> my computer before late night. I don't think they have wireless in the
> courtroom yet!
Im sure they dont....Im surprised they let you bring your computer in
Message from Italy to England
> Andy -
> I would tell you if I thought he wanted to attack you - why wouldn't I -
> right now I think he didn't know what else to do with the build. I could be
> wrong & I'm not asking you to do anything particular, just sharing my 2c.
>
> Probably because of your history, you scare the crap out of him.
Thanks, I appreciate that...
Message from Turkey to Italy
Why the suspicion? Isn't that why we play Dip? :-)
Seriously, though, builds are in. How can we cooperate in the Balkans
this turn?
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> Why the suspicion? Isn't that why we play Dip? :-)
good point.
> Seriously, though, builds are in. How can we cooperate in the Balkans
> this turn?
Can I get a support to SER again.
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
Tony & Andy,
Following the recent constructions and Andy's overture,
it would seem that renewing the AIG alliance is the thing
to do. If we don't, the eF & Rt alliances will make short
work of us.
Of course, Russia is saying that War isn't aimed at me;
but even if it were true, it will only mean that he intend
to surround me by moving against Germany.
Hopefully, Andy really mean what he say this time, and
will demilitarize Venice; but if he doesn't, I intend to
favor Russia's expansion while hurting Andy as much as
possible.
This being clear, how do we proceed?
Philippe
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Well I have my own problems up north and am more than willing to share them.
I have received the same information from Russia regarding WAR. So I wonder
who it is intended for.
I am more than willing to see ven in pie, tun in wes and vie in boh.
Unrealistic but pleasing to the mind.
If either of you has a magic wand then please do wave wave wave.
For the spring I have my hands full in GErmany. I may be facing EFR all at
once.
I have considered pru and sil but by going there I would only be giving
france all my sc's. Even if AG managed to take WAR then I for one probably
wont be able to build.
But if either of you have any ideas then I am all ears. Not for long as my
head will sonn be rolling.
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
What about the following?
Germany: Hol-Ruh, Kie s Hol-Ruh, Ber-Pru, Mun-Boh & Den-Bal or hold.
Italy: Ven-Pie, Tun-Wes, Ion-Tys, Gre-Bul & Rom-Tus for convoy to Spa.
Austria: Vie-Boh, Ser s Gre-Bul, Bud-Rum & Adr-Ion.
Major points being:
-Russia can't get more then one army near Germany.
-Any repositionning of RT fleets in the south see Turkey lose Bul.
-France lose the initiative to Italy in the south.
This leave me wide open to a stab by Andy, but I don't have
much choice and will have to rely on Andy's survival instinct.
Philippe
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
It would be interesting to know what has brought you two together? Is it the
juggernaut, the French build or both?
It would also be good to hear from Italy.
I dont mind playing dead this year and losing MUN, DEN and maybe HOL. That
is what will probably happen.
I am expecting nth - hel, lon - nth, ska - den supported by swe.
If I am going to die then I would like more insight to know for sure that I
am dying for a worthy cause.
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> It would be interesting to know what has brought you two together? Is it the
> juggernaut, the French build or both?
> It would also be good to hear from Italy.
> I dont mind playing dead this year and losing MUN, DEN and maybe HOL. That
> is what will probably happen.
> I am expecting nth - hel, lon - nth, ska - den supported by swe.
> If I am going to die then I would like more insight to know for sure that I
> am dying for a worthy cause.
In truth, Andy only told me I didn't have to fear him
anymore since he had bigger problems. Since it seem
to really be the case, I opted to believe him.
Now, I would hope to hear more from him...
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
Gentlemen,
apologies for my silence. Its been a tough couple of weeks around here.
> In truth, Andy only told me I didn't have to fear him
> anymore since he had bigger problems. Since it seem
> to really be the case, I opted to believe him.
>
> Now, I would hope to hear more from him...
What do you guys want to do, since we do have a RT coming at us...
You mentioned a full move on the French...which is possible.
Im buried at work and trying to coordinate going to 2 funerals in 2
different cities.
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> Im buried at work and trying to coordinate going to 2 funerals in 2
> different cities.
Sorry about that.
I already outline a plan. So, when you have the time to
examine it in details, let me know what you think of it.
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
> > Im buried at work and trying to coordinate going to 2 funerals in 2
> > different cities.
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> I already outline a plan. So, when you have the time to
> examine it in details, let me know what you think of it.
I glanced at it, and it looked decent, let me get a good look at it
tonight and I will get back to you then.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Philippe I think is ready to work with you. Give it a shot - I believe the
East has drifted (again) into an RT.
No doubt I'm two steps behind & you are on it already, but if not.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
>
> No doubt I'm two steps behind & you are on it already, but if not.
>
Just to make sure you understand what you are asking me to do.
I am moving on Erik..right now.
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Just to make sure you understand what you are asking me to do.
> I am moving on Erik..right now.
Erm. No. That's not what I had in mind, though I would understand it,
after F MAR.
I believe there is an RT, in which case I hope you could bury the hatchet
and cooperate with Philippe in the East. Surely you are troubled by F SMY.
Either way you go has its advantages for me. But what I'd been asking, was
for you to push against RT with an IA.
Sorry I was unclear.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
Let me make it clearer.
> > Just to make sure you understand what you are asking me to do.
> > I am moving on Erik..right now.
> Erm. No. That's not what I had in mind, though I would understand it,
> after F MAR.
>
> I believe there is an RT, in which case I hope you could bury the hatchet
> and cooperate with Philippe in the East. Surely you are troubled by F SMY.
>
> Either way you go has its advantages for me. But what I'd been asking, was
> for you to push against RT with an IA.
>
> Sorry I was unclear.
In order for me to bury the hatchet with Philippe, I *MUST* move on Erik.
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Let me make it clearer.
>
> In order for me to bury the hatchet with Philippe, I *MUST* move on Erik.
Ok, now I understand you, but I still don't understand you. What about ION
- EAS/AEG, TUN - ION, VEN - TYR, ROM - VEN? Is this not a Lepanto, several
seasons late? With TYR - BOH - etc. (or TYR - PIE, or VIE, or MUN, or
whatever?)
I'm not trying to get you killed by Erik, obviously that hurts me second
only to you.
What I want to know is, can you wait for me to get in position to work with
you? Depending on how fast Germany goes down - hopefully soon.
So I can be smarter, I'd also like for you to explain to me why you have to
attack France to get Austrian cooperation - I would think for now Philippe
wouldn't be making too many demands. . .
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
> > In order for me to bury the hatchet with Philippe, I *MUST* move on Erik.
> Ok, now I understand you, but I still don't understand you. What about ION
> - EAS/AEG, TUN - ION, VEN - TYR, ROM - VEN? Is this not a Lepanto, several
> seasons late? With TYR - BOH - etc. (or TYR - PIE, or VIE, or MUN, or
> whatever?)
No...you dont.
Philippe has told me, that if I make any set of moves other than what he
has *requested*, he will fight me an GIVE his dots to Russia.
> I'm not trying to get you killed by Erik, obviously that hurts me second
> only to you.
I think that is a good idea too.
> What I want to know is, can you wait for me to get in position to work with
> you? Depending on how fast Germany goes down - hopefully soon.
Well....maybe...if I dont work with Austria, I might be able to do that.
Andy
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason...
After building a fleet in Smyrna...you have gotten damn quiet.
After asking me what I would like you to do, and me telling you, you have
gone completely silent.
What is going on.
Help me out here...do I have supports to Serbia??
Thanks
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
I wrote Philippe - he & I were already corresponding about the Juggernaut -
I extolled the virtues of the good ole-fashioned Lepanto, VEN - TYR - BOH
etc.
Hopefully he will nibble.
Ben
Message from Turkey to Italy
My apologies on the delay. It's been a busy week, and I just forgot to
get back to you.
You can count on my support into Ser.
jason
Message from Russia to all
Everyone,
Sometime Thursday afternoon I was hit hard by a bug (cold or flu) of
somesort which completely wiped me out. I've been pretty much out of
commission for the last 48-60ish hours. I'll try to catch up with
communications tonight and tomorrow, but wanted to let folks know that I'm
not intentionally ignoring anyone.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy --
>he says he is still supporting me there (Ser), so please go forward with that.
Wow. I'm surprised he agreed to that. What did you say to make it seem like
a good idea to him?
> > BTW, I've got jury duty today, so don't know when I'll be able to get
> back to
> > my computer before late night. I don't think they have wireless in the
> > courtroom yet!
>
>Im sure they dont....Im surprised they let you bring your computer in
I was too, but they didn't say anything about it. Of course, I never took
it out and tried to use it. I only had it on me in case I got to leave for
work (I take the bus to work, so had to carry all my work gear to the
courthouse). As it turns out, the trial was cancelled -- or at least the
jury trial was cancelled -- in the case for which I was a potential juror,
so I'm now off the hook for two more years. Just as well, since I got sick
two days later....
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Turkey
> My apologies on the delay. It's been a busy week, and I just forgot to
> get back to you.
>
> You can count on my support into Ser.
Excellent.
thanks for getting back to me.
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
Are we all ok with Philippe's plan.
I am, but things have been quiet for the last few days, so I thought I
would check in.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> >he says he is still supporting me there (Ser), so please go forward with that.
>
> Wow. I'm surprised he agreed to that. What did you say to make it seem like
> a good idea to him?
>
He told me that he still wanted to attack Austria, and I asked him if we
were still on, and he said yes.
What are your plans
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> Are we all ok with Philippe's plan.
>
> I am, but things have been quiet for the last few days, so I thought I
> would check in.
I was waiting to see if you were ok with my plan and
presume it's the same with Tony. If you feel my plan
is ok as is, then I also confirm my participation and
await Tony's confirmation.
Philippe.
P.-S. What your take on the RT's moves?
Message from France to Italy
Andy:
I know you and Russia have spoken as much as you and England have spoken,
but I also know that you must be growing as wary of Russia's size as the
rest of us. When Austria's gone, he's going to start looking for other
areas to expand, and if you two are tight, Turkey seems like a logical
next target for both of you. If that happens, though, then we're dealing
with a Russia that's got control of all of Scandanavia and the entire
eastern side of the board. Any thoughts on that?
Erik
Message from Italy to France
> I know you and Russia have spoken as much as you and England have spoken,
> but I also know that you must be growing as wary of Russia's size as the
> rest of us.
I am.
When Austria's gone, he's going to start looking for other
> areas to expand, and if you two are tight, Turkey seems like a logical
> next target for both of you. If that happens, though, then we're dealing
> with a Russia that's got control of all of Scandanavia and the entire
> eastern side of the board. Any thoughts on that?
Well...I think that Ben should likely be doing something about the
Scandanavia part, but I would understand the resource issue there.
I heed your words, and will keep an eye on him.
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
I am at work and will study the map later this evening and mail you guys.
Going to SIL/BOH will mean certain death. I dont recall all moves but BUD - GAL supported by VIE has my preference.
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy --
>He told me that he still wanted to attack Austria, and I asked him if we
>were still on, and he said yes.
Bizarre, given that F Smy was supposedly because of how worried he was of
you, though I think having you and Turkey attacking Austria is not a bad
thing for me, it just seems surprising.
>What are your plans
I've spent the little time I've had focused on the game trying to figure
out whether Jason is really going to support you to Ser, and how likely it
is that Philippe will move to Gal with support. My selfish, conservative
side wants to support myself in Gal to ensure I don't lose any ground,
since it also seems unlikely that Jason would really support you to Ser.
But from what I'm hearing, he may actually go through with it (expecting
that you will give him Gre in the Fall). So for now I'm still leaning
towards tapping Bud for you.
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
I have looked at the map and have decided the following.
I am in big poo, bigger poo than you two.
SUrvive this year with me and we can look at next year. Good luck.
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> I have looked at the map and have decided the following.
> I am in big poo, bigger poo than you two.
> SUrvive this year with me and we can look at next year. Good luck.
Wich mean...
Philippe
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Which mean that I need all my units. I am looking at losing DEN, HOL, MUN
just for starters.
I could bounce BOH/SIL but this would cost me DEN, HOL and MUN for sure.
For it to really work I would need to see VEN - TYR, BUD - GAL supported by
VIE. Me to BOH and SIL and the promise for what it is worth in diplomacy
that you guys help me retake MUN. Ormaybe even MUN - SIL supported by BER.
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
>
> Which mean that I need all my units. I am looking at losing DEN, HOL, MUN
> just for starters.
> I could bounce BOH/SIL but this would cost me DEN, HOL and MUN for sure.
> For it to really work I would need to see VEN - TYR, BUD - GAL supported by
> VIE. Me to BOH and SIL and the promise for what it is worth in diplomacy
> that you guys help me retake MUN. Ormaybe even MUN - SIL supported by BER.
Ok....somehow I deleted the moves that Philippe suggested, can you resend
them to me.
Tonys message has confuse me a bit.
Andy
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
> Tonys message has confuse me a bit.>
This is not unusual, you get used to it ;-)
I also dont recall philippes moves off hand but I do recall him not hitting
GAL with two units. Something I think needs doing although I am expecting
Russia to hit GAL with two units too.
But hurry I have already submitted some other crap moves in my battle
against EFR up north and west.
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Guys it is bed time here. We are not going to be able to negotiate final
moves before the deadline.
My orders are in, let us hope one of the others is late so that we can
negotiate further. For now I am just thinking of myself. I have not ordered
to PRU or SIL or BOH.
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> > Tonys message has confuse me a bit.>
>
> This is not unusual, you get used to it ;-)
>
> I also dont recall philippes moves off hand but I do recall him not hitting
> GAL with two units. Something I think needs doing although I am expecting
> Russia to hit GAL with two units too.
> But hurry I have already submitted some other crap moves in my battle
> against EFR up north and west.
Guys, thanks for the discussion! Out of the blue, one confirm
his participation and the other prefer his own plan, but both
don't know what my original plan was. Got to love you ;-)
Now I don't know what I will be doing and the only thing I
ask from Andy is that he vacate Venice to turn it into a dmz.
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
> Guys, thanks for the discussion! Out of the blue, one confirm
> his participation and the other prefer his own plan, but both
> don't know what my original plan was. Got to love you ;-)
>
Philippe,
I have astrong idea of what your plan is, I just dont have the original
email, and I want to do what I said I would do.
And Tony confused the hell out of me.
Message from Italy to Italy
I am probably nuts for making this move, especially on a spring turn. but
hey....no guts, no glory.
Sometimes you have to create bad situations for good things to come of oit
lets see what plays out.....
Austria: Fleet Adriatic Sea → Albania (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Serbia → Rumania (*cut*)
Austria: Army Serbia → Rumania (*bounce, destroyed*)
Austria: Army Vienna → Trieste (*bounce*)
England: Fleet London → North Sea
England: Fleet North Sea → Denmark
England: Fleet Skagerrak SUPPORT Fleet North Sea → Denmark
France: Army Belgium → Holland
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Ruhr → Munich
France: Fleet Marseilles HOLD
France: Army Paris → Burgundy (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Portugal → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Ruhr → Munich (*bounce, dislodged*)
Germany: Army Berlin SUPPORT Army Munich
Germany: Fleet Denmark → Sweden (*bounce, dislodged*)
Germany: Army Holland → Ruhr
Germany: Army Kiel SUPPORT Army Holland → Ruhr
Germany: Army Munich SUPPORT Army Holland → Ruhr
Italy: Army Greece → Serbia
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Albania (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Rome → Venice (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Norway → Sweden (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Rumania → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Sevastopol → Ukraine (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Sweden → Baltic Sea
Russia: Army Ukraine → Rumania (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Warsaw → Silesia
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Italian Army Greece → Serbia
Turkey: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna → Aegean Sea
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