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France: Removes 1 unit
Russia: Builds 2 units
Message from Italy to England and France
Jesus Erik..if you had told me you were pulling back I probably wouldnt
have attacked you at all.
But I will take some of the blame for this one, I was just being aggresive
and maybe I should have made it clearer that if you did back off me I
would not be attacking you.
I think you both should send Eric a note telling him that you are both
setting draw.
andy
Message from England to France and Italy
Andy -
Erik & I had discussed the plan privately beforehand. It was a conservaive play, that's all. We were not trying to shut you out and I don't think Erik will miss the unit - all in all I think it is time to set draw.
Eric won't be pushed into setting draw soon, but I will write him again letting him know I'm doing it & I imagine Erik will do the same.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
Ok, no surprises in the results. Hopefully we are downhill to the end. . .
Ben
Message from Russia to England and France
I had started writing this in response to Ben, but looking at it, I think
that it's appropriate to send to both of you.
The ONLY reason that I'm still pressing is because of Erik's misorder of
Bur-Mar instead of Bur-Mun three seasons ago, which opened the door to all of
this. If you look back, I ordered support for Erik to move Bur-Mun three
seasons ago, and had that succeeded, the three way would already be complete.
I had been working towards a three-way honestly. When I said that it was safe
for the three of us to eliminate Andy, it was.
With that in mind, I will repeat that as soon as it becomes clear that a solo
is not possible (which could well be this season), then I will make it *very*
easy to eliminate Andy. I can go into details of this, but it comes down to
the fact that Erik has enough units to hold the Med whoever ends up in Italy,
and I'm only a threat as long as I'm in German centers.
So my point is that I know that Ben is hesitant after this last push I've
made. And Erik, I don't know what your feeling is about me with my deception
to ensure I got to Apu -- you might think I've been trying to set you up or
am being unnecessarily aggressive. But once my push is stopped (and I think
that could come with this set of moves) and I make it safe, I hope you won't
leave Andy to live out of general gunshy-ness or worries over future
misorders. If we are in a situation where there are no real dangers to
eliminating Andy, I hope we can agree to do that. To make it more worth your
while I can say that I don't see myself setting draw until Andy is
eliminated, one way or the other.
--- Eric
Message from France to England and Russia
With the way our units were set out, there was no way for me to hold or
gain the Italian peninsula; there was also no way to guarantee Munich for
the Western powers. As such, we had to assume you would use Andy's ire
towards us to push for a solo, which you did. Our only rational response
was to firmly establish defensible stalemate lines and make it clear to
Andy that we had no intention of eliminating him -- otherwise, we faced a
possible throw (Berlin taking a walk).
In order to successfully draw without giving you a solo, we need full
control of Germany or full control of Italy, and we need to eliminate
Andy's ability to throw to you. Otherwise, we'll continue to maintain the
status quo.
Erik
Message from Russia to England and France
> As such, we had to assume you would use Andy's ire
> towards us to push for a solo, which you did.
Agreed. I felt like I had to make the attempt.
> Our only rational response
> was to firmly establish defensible stalemate lines and make it clear to
> Andy that we had no intention of eliminating him -- otherwise, we faced a
> possible throw (Berlin taking a walk).
Agreed as well. I think you played the last turn very well.
> In order to successfully draw without giving you a solo, we need full
> control of Germany or full control of Italy, and we need to eliminate
> Andy's ability to throw to you. Otherwise, we'll continue to maintain the
> status quo.
Agreed again. I have to make the first move to back out and make it safe
before it is rational for the two of you to do anything at all towards Andy.
My point was simply that once I do meet all of those conditions, that you
won't insist on the 4WD.
--- Eric
Message from England to France and Russia
> My point was simply that once I do meet all of those conditions, that you
> won't insist on the 4WD.
We will cross that bridge when we come to it.
Ben
Message from Russia to England and France
>> My point was simply that once I do meet all of those conditions, that you
>> won't insist on the 4WD.
[That should have said, "that I hope you won't insist"]
>We will cross that bridge when we come to it.
Agreed yet one more time. I don't expect either of you to tell me what your
commitment is, or even to make a commitment at this point. In many ways I was
just saying "here's what I'm thinking about how this will all go down". There
really isn't a need on my part for you two to respond, or to promise
anything.
The purpose of writing was to ensure that you are both aware that I am
looking at the three-way draw, that I am willing to make it safe (forceable)
on your side, and in fact I did -- by ordering support for Bur-Mun -- make it
forceable earlier. I was afraid that me being silent might imply that I
wasn't interested in the three way, or that my previous attempt at getting to
the three way was somehow disingenuous.
--- Eric
France: REMOVE Army Paris
Russia: BUILD Fleet Sevastopol
Russia: BUILD Army Warsaw
Centers
England: 10
France: 6
Italy: 3
Russia: 15
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