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Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
> I hope that was planned.
It was.
> Because if it wasnt you two need to get your shit together at
> a very very
> very rapid rate or we will have a Russian solo on our hands.
I will keep pushing north but I will come south in a heartbeat if I am
attacked by Erik again.
I am sorry not to write more - very busy at work this week.
Ben
Message from Germany to England and France
Well support to MUN would have given me a better feeling.
What are the plans for the fall?
Message from Germany to England, France, and Italy
Well I am guessing we were all surprised by Austria's moves. He seems to
have rolled over with his legs in the air.
I would like to thank Italy for supporting me into MUN. I am hoping the four
of us can work together in the fall.
I can only suggest the following. BUR support RUH - MUN, MUN - BER supported
by KIE, PIE - TYR.
I am assuming that PIE, BUR and KIE are free to help. I would expect Italy
to be worried about a supported attack on VEN. If he uses PIE to help
against Russia then he risks losing VEN. I will try a last ditched effort to
get AT to attack BUD & RUM.
Any other suggestions are more than welcome.
Tony
Message from France to England
Ben:
Thank you for keeping your promise. The gain of Belgium will do much for
the French war effort, and I'm glad to see that neither of us did much
to help out Tony. Better not to have him hanging around waiting for a
comeback.
F Mao and F Por appeared for defensive purposes, as I'm sure you can
understand, but I will now be a little more relaxed using them
elsewhere. I'd like to start heading South again; with Turkey about to
crumble, IR are going to be the only easter powers left, and that spells
trouble for you and I.
We need to keep Munich and Berlin out of Russian hands. Any thought?
Erik
Message from France to Russia
Eric:
Interesting turn. I can't say that the move to Tyrolia was anticipated,
but it was appreciated. Are you planning on propping Austria up for a
while? And does F Rum signify the breakdown of RT?
England has been kind enough to vacate his attack against me and grant
me Belgium. He clearly sees you as the largest threat on the board, for
obvious reasons. While I must admit that your gains are impressive, I'm
not one for follow-the-herd / attack-the-leader mentality, so this
latest reversal in direction may be the opportunity we've been looking
for to put England away once and for all.
I warned you on Munich, but didn't expect that Italian support. Why
didn't you try to hold it?
Erik
Message from England to France
Erik -
> Thank you for keeping your promise. The gain of Belgium will
> do much for
> the French war effort, and I'm glad to see that neither of us did much
> to help out Tony. Better not to have him hanging around waiting for a
> comeback.
I agree 100%.
> F Mao and F Por appeared for defensive purposes, as I'm sure you can
> understand, but I will now be a little more relaxed using them
> elsewhere. I'd like to start heading South again; with Turkey about to
> crumble, IR are going to be the only easter powers left, and
> that spells trouble for you and I.
I agree. We - I - have been fooling around for too long.
> We need to keep Munich and Berlin out of Russian hands. Any thought?
Well, Tony's proposal seems to work, with me supporting him to BER with KIE.
If you are thinking about pushing south again, you could hide MAO on SPA/sc,
and tell Andy I insisted you do it so I could go north against Russia.
Thoughts?
Ben
Message from Russia to France
Well, I figured the odds of holding Mun were low if either you or Italy
helped G, so thought I'd try to clear out the area instead. At least now I
don't have to worry about Andy's units for at least another season!
The move with Jason was due entirely to him being unavailable all turn. I
worried it meant he was attacking me, and so I made a move that would have
been harmless had he supported himself in Rum as I expected. If I had WANTED
to attack him, I would have ensured that A Rum was disbanded (War-Gal, not
War-Sil). A Gal is worse for me than anything that could have come from an
actual fight between RT.
As to Ben, that's mostly in your court now. I can only defend for the moment.
I had hoped that your moves indicated that Ben wasn't going to have free
range to come after me, but at this point he's (not surprisingly) not
volunteering information about his plans. He has asked me not to encourage
you to attack him. :)
I am still worried about Tony -- with his sudden turning on me after I so
generously let him keep two units (I could have forced him down to one
easily) I think that he's a dangerous wildcard. Are you planning to support
him to hold in Mun? Are you willing to help me get back Mun and take Ber in
exchange for getting Hol/Kie as Ben goes down?
As to an ongoing attack on Jason, I would rather be sure that you are going
to have some room to attack Andy before hitting Jason. There's a good chance
that if Jason loses units that he will throw centers to Andy, which means
trouble for you, especially if Ben is still strong, which then means trouble
for me once you've been "taken care of". That's not a direct answer to your
question (I haven't said I will or won't attack him) but I would be greatly
influenced by your take on things.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to England, France, and Germany
Im protecting my home and trying to figure out how to make some headway...
And for the love of god...please dont start fighting amoungst yourselves
again.
Message from France to Turkey
Jason:
Interesting turn. I appreciate the turn back toward Andy -- took a
little heat off me and will get me back on my feet. I know you're
concerned about me barrelling into the Mediterranean, but don't you
think it makes more sense to come after Italy from both sides than from
one? Even after we take care of him, we'll both have our hands full with
Russia and England. I don't see any reason that the two of us can
coexist going into the endgame.
What do you make of the move to Rumania? All is not well in the world of
RT?
Erik
Message from France to England
Ben:
I think you should forget about Tony and take gains for yourself,
frankly. He's a loose cannon -- he was a Russian lackey just a few short
turns ago, let's not forget. Might I recommend Kiel - Ber, Nth - Den,
Hel S Nth - Den, Ska - Swe?
He can't take Berlin with Sil alone, and this keeps Germany from making
more gains. I can perhaps prop Munich up for long enough to get another
army built in Paris and sent on its way to Ruhr.
I'm open to either direction, though.
Erik
Message from France to Russia
Eric:
Frankly, I would feel more comfortable if *I* took Munich with your
support. Not a gain for you, of course, but I need the build badly, and
frankly, you're doing pretty well. If you can patch up the relationship
with Jason, you're unstoppable in Central Europe and doing fine up North
until I can bring some power to bear up there. It will be more efficient
for both of us if I can get a second build and get a fleet build in Bre.
I am trying to convince Jason that it's not a good idea to stop his
attack on Andy when he sees me starting one -- it's counterproductive
for both of us. Any suggestions you could send his away along the same
theme would be helpful.
I think you can expect an attack on Den and Ber (which isn't yours, but
might as well be by this point). Tony seems to have decided to work
against you now, though we all know how quickly he could flip sides.
Erik
Message from France to Germany
The only reason I didn't support the effort to Mun was because I knew
Andy would (we discussed it) and felt I'd be better off ensuring that I
could retake Belgium. Frankly, I wasn't entirely confident in Ben's
departure.
Ben does seem willing to follow your suggested course of action, though.
Do you think we could get A Pie to hit Tyr?
Erik
Message from France to Italy
Yes, it was planned. I supported it only out of lingering doubts about
Ben's commitment to peace. I would have supported the attack Munich
otherwise, but figured your support was as good as mine.
Effective planning on Eric's part, though. He's basically removed your
influence from the area for a few turns. Do you think you might be able
to break any support that Tyr might provide, or do you need to ensure
the defense of Venice?
Erik
Message from Turkey to France
Good to hear from you, I was just about to write.
Eric is claiming Rum was just a mistake and a misunderstanding, but I
have my doubts. Right now, I'm hoping England can take a little pressure
off me in the north, but I think your moves have him a little spooked.
Agreed that FT can be an excellent endgame alliance, and one I'd be
happy to see. Right now, the two of us just need to get ourselves firmly
established.
jason
Message from Germany to France
I understand and believe your reasoning. I was sure it had something to do
with you mistrusting Ben,
In fact Italy did press me just before the deadline stating that the two of
you had spoken.
Can I count on support for MUN?
Message from England to France
Erik -
> I think you should forget about Tony and take gains for yourself,
> frankly. He's a loose cannon -- he was a Russian lackey just a few short
> turns ago, let's not forget. Might I recommend Kiel - Ber, Nth - Den,
> Hel S Nth - Den, Ska - Swe?
I'll look it over in alittle while. Hasn't Tony said all along he will be
ordering MUN - BER? He's encouraging me to support RUH - BEL - who knows
if he'd really order it, but if he does, I wonder if there's a way for us
to take advantage. . .
It depends on Italy, I suppose; on whether PIE - TYR. If Andy won't commit
to that, perhaps I should accept his "offer," support him to BER, and allow
him to bounce off you in BEL while MUN goes down to Russia. That would put
us nearer the end of Tony's contribution to C2. . .
What do you think?
Ben
Message from Italy to France
> Yes, it was planned. I supported it only out of lingering doubts about
> Ben's commitment to peace. I would have supported the attack Munich
> otherwise, but figured your support was as good as mine.
Fair enough.
> Effective planning on Eric's part, though. He's basically removed your
> influence from the area for a few turns. Do you think you might be able
> to break any support that Tyr might provide, or do you need to ensure
> the defense of Venice?
Influence is an intresting thing.
Im protecting my home spaces.
Message from Germany to England, France, and Italy
If I understand correctly Italy wishes to take care of his own affairs, this
is fair enough and understandable.
I informed Italy that I had made a suggestion to AT and the Turk's fantasy
was tickled.
It may free up PIE to cut support from TYR but that is Andys call.
As for KIE/BER/MUN the Russian has stated he will go for MUN. Is he being
honest? your guess is as good as mine.
I am hoping that Ben would prefer a build from Russia than from me.
All I can hope and pray for is tender loving care from France/England &
Italy coupled with my loyal devotion to helping you in the future. My
prayers and suggestions are A RUH - MUN supported by BUR, PIE - TYR, MUN -
BEr, KIE - DEN supported by HEL, SKA - SWE, NTH - HOL, BEL - HOL. Its the
best I can come up with (for me that is ;)
Any other suggestions more than welcome. Maybe Russia will throw three units
at WAR but that leaves him open for attack in WAR/RUM. Those who may or may
not sie salute you.
Message from England to France
Erik -
I hadn't heard from you & Tony was pressing me to give him an answer, so I went ahead and authorized RUH - BEL. I think if he does it, fine, if he goes with his "group" plan, that's fine too, but either way GR is weakened at the expense of EF. You will get your build & I will get mine. I don't think I need to tell you, I would be some kind of moron if I actually *supported* the attack; the very best case scenario would then be that I'd started a war with you but gained no - zero - dots. My mother did raise a fool, but that's my stepbrother, and not me.
Do you have any idea whether Andy will order PIE - TYR? I'm guessing he won't, because of Tony's group press, which is the reason I suggested Tony go RUH - BEL. Give up on MUN & try to get myself into BER; at the very least, keep Russia out.
What do you think?
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
Ok, as far as I can tell, currently Eric is edging out Tony for Biggest Snake, based on press I've received this phase.
So I will leave it up to you, but I've encouraged Tony now to go RUH - MUN, and you can support him if you like. Of course who knows what he'll do, but that was my suggestion to him. My thinking is, Russia will lose as much as possible.
As you say, you can build A PAR and we can push through Germany when that unit arrives at the front.
Ben
Message from Russia to France
> Frankly, I would feel more comfortable if *I* took Munich with your
> support. Not a gain for you, of course, but I need the build badly,
I see your point.
> and frankly, you're doing pretty well.
Yeah, I see that point as well. :) Sorry, I'm writing quickly and just
assumed you were looking at Bel/Hol over Mun.
> If you can patch up the relationship
> with Jason, you're unstoppable in Central Europe and doing fine up North
> until I can bring some power to bear up there. It will be more efficient
> for both of us if I can get a second build and get a fleet build in Bre.
Fair enough.
> I am trying to convince Jason that it's not a good idea to stop his
> attack on Andy when he sees me starting one -- it's counterproductive
> for both of us. Any suggestions you could send his away along the same
> theme would be helpful.
Trust me, not a press to Jason goes by where I don't make this point as
strongly as possible!
> I think you can expect an attack on Den and Ber (which isn't yours, but
> might as well be by this point). Tony seems to have decided to work
> against you now, though we all know how quickly he could flip sides.
:) Tony is a piece of work. I admire his tenacity, even though I hate playing
against it.
--- Eric
Message from France to England
>
> Erik -
> Ok, as far as I can tell, currently Eric is edging out Tony for Biggest
> Snake, based on press I've received this phase.
Yeah, mainly because he's a craftier, less random snake. At least you can
count on Tony constantly spouting off nonsense.
>
> So I will leave it up to you, but I've encouraged Tony now to go RUH -
> MUN, and you can support him if you like. Of course who knows what
> he'll do, but that was my suggestion to him. My thinking is, Russia
> will lose as much as possible.
And what are you doing? Den / Norway attack? Holding onto Kiel? I am
curious how much of a dent we're making on Russia.
If I move to Spa (sc), I may need that "you made me do it" story from you
to back me up.
Erik
Message from France to England and Germany
I think Andy is going to end up supporting himself back into Venice, FYI. I
wouldn't count on any help from Tyr.
Erik
Message from Germany to France
Ben did first mention supporting me to BEL but later retracted it. After
that he was unwilling to stae his moves.
Have you considerd BEL - HOL and BUR - BEL?
I am not counting on your support to MUN. The deadline is here and I have
ordered other moves. I may as well die trying something at least.
Message from Germany to England and France
I am not counting on support to MUN either from BUR. It hasnt been
confirmed.
I just submitted my moves but I can change them within the next 15 minutes.
Message from France to Germany
>
> Ben did first mention supporting me to BEL but later retracted it. After
> that he was unwilling to stae his moves.
> Have you considerd BEL - HOL and BUR - BEL?
That's why I didn't want to promise you the support. I don't want to
support something I can't guarantee. If I don't need Bur elsewhere,
though, I will support Ruhr - Mun, if it's appropriate.
Erik
Message from Germany to all
Once again I have found myself seduced by Russia, England & France
I will roll a dice
1 = ruh - hol, mun - kie
2 = mun - kie supported by ruh
3 = ruh - kie supported by mun
4 = mun - ber, ruh - kie
5 = ruh s mun, mun s pie - tyr
6 = ruh - hol, mun - ber
7 = ruh hold, mun hold
No blowing or making sudden movements once I release the dice
Message from Germany to France
It wont be appropiate as I wont be RUH - MUN.
Russia has indicated he wants MUN we cant stop him.
Do what you wish, I could support you into HOL but maybe I should just rely
on the dice.
None of the moves mentioned in 1 - 6 effect you.
Good luck
Message from Germany to all
Dice rolled.....thanks for not influencing the outcome ;-)
Message from England to France and Germany
Gentlemen -
This is to make the commitment to the two of you that I've made to you
separately. I would like to see RUH - MUN and MUN - BER, supported by BUR.
I will be pushing north as promised.
Godspeed.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
> > Ok, as far as I can tell, currently Eric is edging out Tony for Biggest
> > Snake, based on press I've received this phase.
>
> Yeah, mainly because he's a craftier, less random snake. At least you can
> count on Tony constantly spouting off nonsense.
True, true.
> > So I will leave it up to you, but I've encouraged Tony now to go RUH -
> > MUN, and you can support him if you like. Of course who knows what
> > he'll do, but that was my suggestion to him. My thinking is, Russia
> > will lose as much as possible.
>
> And what are you doing? Den / Norway attack? Holding onto Kiel? I am
> curious how much of a dent we're making on Russia.
I'm still not 100% sure. Didn't you suggest I go for BER? Eric is still
writing me and I'm trying to peer through the haze to see what's really
going on. What are you hearing from him?
> If I move to Spa (sc), I may need that "you made me do it" story from you
> to back me up.
:-) Diplomatic Frenchmen are often stuck in SPA/sc. You won't be the
first. . .
Of course you will have my story. If you like, I can start spreading it
now, so Andy knows ahead of time, or I can wait. If I don't hear from you,
I'll keep my mouth shut.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
Could you bounce me in HOL, to keep Tony out, and tap MUN from BUR?
Then I'd take DEN & be happy with my one build. You'd get your army &
we'll be on our way.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
Moves are in based on a bounce in HOL, but I will be up & about until near
the deadline.
Ben
Message from France to England
Yes, I can do the bounce on in Holland, if you'd like. I did suggest you
take Ber; I was merely trying to feel out what was going to happen next
turn.
So bounce in Hol, and I suppose I should support Tony just to keep
Russia from growing.
Erik
Message from France to Russia
>> Frankly, I would feel more comfortable if *I* took Munich with your
>> support. Not a gain for you, of course, but I need the build badly,
>I see your point.
>> and frankly, you're doing pretty well.
>Yeah, I see that point as well. :) Sorry, I'm writing quickly and just
assumed you were looking at Bel/Hol over Mun.
I can hold Bel but may not be able to take Holland. I know it's late,
but if you get this, can you confirm support into Munich? I've got one
build, but two would be dandy.
Erik
Message from England to France
Erik -
> Yes, I can do the bounce on in Holland, if you'd like. I did suggest you
> take Ber; I was merely trying to feel out what was going to happen next
> turn.
Ok. Good.
> So bounce in Hol, and I suppose I should support Tony just to keep
> Russia from growing.
Excellent. I feel like we are getting on track.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
> > Yes, I can do the bounce on in Holland, if you'd like. I did suggest you
> > take Ber; I was merely trying to feel out what was going to happen next
> > turn.
> Ok. Good.
This meant, yes, let's bounce.
Ben
Austria: Army Trieste SUPPORT Russian Army Budapest → Serbia
Austria: Army Vienna → Budapest (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Helgoland Bight → Kiel
England: Fleet Kiel → Berlin
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean HOLD
England: Fleet North Sea → Holland (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Skagerrak → North Sea (*bounce*)
France: Army Belgium → Holland (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon → Marseilles
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Portugal
France: Fleet Portugal → Spain (south coast)
Germany: Army Munich → Berlin (*bounce, destroyed*)
Germany: Army Ruhr → Kiel (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Greece → Albania
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Adriatic Sea
Italy: Army Piedmont SUPPORT Army Tuscany → Venice
Italy: Army Tuscany → Venice
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea → Ionian Sea
Russia: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Army Budapest → Serbia
Russia: Fleet Denmark SUPPORT English Fleet Helgoland Bight → Kiel
Russia: Fleet Rumania HOLD
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT English Fleet Kiel → Berlin
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Norway (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Sweden → Norway (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Fleet Eastern Mediterranean
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria → Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Rumania (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea
Turkey: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Galicia → Budapest (*dislodged*)
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