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Italy: Removes 1 unit
Russia: Builds 2 units
Message from Italy to England and France
You two need to cease hostilities right now...
He has 16 cold, and will be at 18 without Tunis,
Erik, you need to either support me or take my dots and hold them.
Ben, You need to back off and go north RIGHT NOW.
I have kept my mouth shut to the two of you for about 3 turns now, and all
its done is make the Russian stronger...
I have no idea what kind of deals you guys have with him but its not
working
If I need to write our orders I will, but I would like to hear from both
of you confirming you understand what I am saying.
Andy
Message from England to France and Italy
Andy -
> You two need to cease hostilities right now...
Fine with me - I thought we'd been working on it. . .
> He has 16 cold, and will be at 18 without Tunis,
Yes, yes.
> Erik, you need to either support me or take my dots and hold them.
>
> Ben, You need to back off and go north RIGHT NOW.
I thought I *was* going north, but I can do more. I should have STP by the
end of the year following this coming one, as I count it.
> I have kept my mouth shut to the two of you for about 3 turns now, and all
> its done is make the Russian stronger...
:-) I've never asked you to keep your mouth shut.
> I have no idea what kind of deals you guys have with him but its not
> working
No deal, except for gentle pressure I'd put on him to leave you alone -
apparently it didn't work.
> If I need to write our orders I will, but I would like to hear from both
> of you confirming you understand what I am saying.
I surely understand. I envision convoying BRE - NWY. Surely we could put
it a French army *back* in BUR, Erik willing, with attacks against MUN -
from BUR, if Erik wants - soon to follow. Centers could be swapped around
as *needed* - not as a matter of pride, which must now give way - but as
*needed* for the greater good.
Just out of curiousity - why didn't ROM cover VEN?
I've told you many times - if you have suggestions for me, write them.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
Expect Andy to start throwing the game any second.
It's not *quite* as dire as he says, because he is including STP as
Russian, but it shouldn't be for long.
Please tell me you'll move back to BUR. From there, we have a credible
threat against MUN, which means he won't be able to be as creative anywhere
else. And if he tries, I'll be able to put you in MUN. I have no interest
in the province.
Let me know your thoughts.
Ben
Message from Italy to England and France
Ben and Erik.
> > You two need to cease hostilities right now...
> Fine with me - I thought we'd been working on it. . .
>
> > He has 16 cold, and will be at 18 without Tunis,
> Yes, yes.
>
as long as we all know that.
> > Ben, You need to back off and go north RIGHT NOW.
> I thought I *was* going north, but I can do more. I should have STP by the
> end of the year following this coming one, as I count it.
no...if he bounces you in Finland, he holds onto STP this year.
Its not that simple.
> > I have kept my mouth shut to the two of you for about 3 turns now, and all
> > its done is make the Russian stronger...
> :-) I've never asked you to keep your mouth shut.
Good point.
> > I have no idea what kind of deals you guys have with him but its not
> > working
> No deal, except for gentle pressure I'd put on him to leave you alone -
> apparently it didn't work.
Well...he sees his solo and doesnt expect us to come together.
>
> > If I need to write our orders I will, but I would like to hear from both
> > of you confirming you understand what I am saying.
> I surely understand. I envision convoying BRE - NWY. Surely we could put
> it a French army *back* in BUR, Erik willing, with attacks against MUN -
> from BUR, if Erik wants - soon to follow. Centers could be swapped around
> as *needed* - not as a matter of pride, which must now give way - but as
> *needed* for the greater good.
We also need an army in Marsaille and it wont be mine, I am moving south.
> Just out of curiousity - why didn't ROM cover VEN?
Because if he wanted it he could force it anyway as long as I was moving
to Piedmont. If he held his end of the bargain, there is an Italian army
in Albania in this coming spring.
> I've told you many times - if you have suggestions for me, write them.
Let me look at the board.
I know what I think I should disband, but I would like both of your inputs
on this.
Erik .....now is not a time to keep quiet.
Andy
Message from England to France and Italy
Andy -
> > I thought I *was* going north, but I can do more. I should have STP by
the
> > end of the year following this coming one, as I count it.
>
> no...if he bounces you in Finland, he holds onto STP this year.
> Its not that simple.
Well, I don't want to quibble, but I did say the end of the year
/following/ this /coming/ one.
Just so you know I'm paying attention.
Ben
Message from France to England and Italy
Guys:
I ain't keepin' quiet, I'm just not a quick on the draw as you two.
So, yes, it's true. Eric is the giant pink elephant in the room right now,
Jason is his Jannisary and only by working together can we prevent a
Russian solo. Glad we're all on the same page with these drastically
apparent circumstances.
Andy, I appreciate your keeping your word to me and not attacking. Makes
this coordination much easier. Ben, the reason I'm not still in Burgundy
is that I foresaw the need for a build, and I wasn't sure how willing
you'd be to give me Brest voluntarily. Clearly, though, if I can make an
argument, you're open to that now. I will get back to that in a minute.
> > I surely understand. I envision convoying BRE - NWY. Surely we could
> put
> > it a French army *back* in BUR, Erik willing, with attacks against MUN
> -
> > from BUR, if Erik wants - soon to follow. Centers could be swapped
> around
> > as *needed* - not as a matter of pride, which must now give way - but
> as
> > *needed* for the greater good.
>
> We also need an army in Marsaille and it wont be mine, I am moving
> south.
Exactly. I can head to Marseilles, but to be honest, I need another army
long-term. Ben, your fleet in MAO isn't doing anything but making me
nervous -- why not pui A Bre out and allow me to move Pic - Bur, Par -
Bre? All solo threats aside, it's *still* hard for me to trust you while
you're holding my home center, so giving Bre back and disbanding Mao will
both increase my security level and give me an extra build to send down
south.
Pic will go to Bur regardless. I'd just really like another guaranteed
build next year, even if Munich is a possibility, as I'll need to be able
to send some force into the Italian peninsula to support Andy or push
Russia back if Andy falls.
Andy, what can I do with my fleets down south? Spa - Mar, Wes - Tys?
>
> Because if he wanted it he could force it anyway as long as I was moving
> to Piedmont. If he held his end of the bargain, there is an Italian army
> in Albania in this coming spring.
True enough, Andy warned me this might happen.
> I know what I think I should disband, but I would like both of your
> inputs
> on this.
F Bul is useless. Drop it.
As for Russia, we're guaranteed A War and a probable F Sev -- he needs sea
power in the Med.
Erik
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
> I ain't keepin' quiet, I'm just not a quick on the draw as you two.
I ain't too bright but I can lift heavy things.
> Andy, I appreciate your keeping your word to me and not attacking. Makes
> this coordination much easier. Ben, the reason I'm not still in Burgundy
> is that I foresaw the need for a build, and I wasn't sure how willing
> you'd be to give me Brest voluntarily. Clearly, though, if I can make an
> argument, you're open to that now. I will get back to that in a minute.
Well, yes, but you would not have been able to force BRE.
> Exactly. I can head to Marseilles, but to be honest, I need another army
> long-term. Ben, your fleet in MAO isn't doing anything but making me
> nervous -- why not pui A Bre out and allow me to move Pic - Bur, Par -
> Bre? All solo threats aside, it's *still* hard for me to trust you while
> you're holding my home center, so giving Bre back and disbanding Mao will
> both increase my security level and give me an extra build to send down
> south.
I'm looking at other things besides the convoy, too, don't get me wrong.
Yes, I can give back BRE and I will throw support for PIC - BUR, no extra
charge. *However* there is something to be said for PAR - GAS because I
would expect Eric to seize PIE this spring, which would put him next to a
vacant MAR, and Erik, your fleets may be otherwise occuppied.
> Pic will go to Bur regardless. I'd just really like another guaranteed
> build next year, even if Munich is a possibility, as I'll need to be able
> to send some force into the Italian peninsula to support Andy or push
> Russia back if Andy falls.
MUN will have to be catching Russia off guard. If you were still in BIR.
we cpi;d tale advamtage of the Italian A PIE, alas, . . . If my
grandmother were yellow & had wheels, she'd be a school bus.
> > I know what I think I should disband, but I would like both of your
> > inputs on this.
>
> F Bul is useless. Drop it.
Hm. I would say F ION. The French fleets can defend ION more than
adequately and the Italian F BUL forces them to hold back to dispose of the
rogue unit rather than charge the southern line. My 2c.
> As for Russia, we're guaranteed A War and a probable F Sev -- he needs sea
> power in the Med.
I agree.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
I know you know Andy will not permit a position in which he is expendable.
He says we need an army in MAR, and I suppose we do. But we will need I
think one more southern *fleet*, too, though I haven't researched the point
- thankfully we're not at that point, though at the end of the year I think
we will be.
Just something to bear in mind - in the end I think you will have to be
*fleet* heavy rather than *army* heavy, which is partly why I felt I could
encourage Andy to disband F ION. Russia is no match for you - yet.
Though in retrospect - disbanding F ION may be too dangerous. . .
Anyway, those are my thoughts.
Ben
Message from England to France and Italy
Hm.
Perhaps I should have followed Erik's lead and recommended disbanding F
BUL. It would be quite difficult to bring additional fleets to bear
against ION against the RT southern fleets - I was forgetting to count
Jason's fleet as Russian.
Ben
Message from Italy to England and France
> > Exactly. I can head to Marseilles, but to be honest, I need another army
> > long-term. Ben, your fleet in MAO isn't doing anything but making me
> > nervous -- why not pui A Bre out and allow me to move Pic - Bur, Par -
> > Bre? All solo threats aside, it's *still* hard for me to trust you while
> > you're holding my home center, so giving Bre back and disbanding Mao will
> > both increase my security level and give me an extra build to send down
> > south.
> I'm looking at other things besides the convoy, too, don't get me wrong.
> Yes, I can give back BRE and I will throw support for PIC - BUR, no extra
> charge. *However* there is something to be said for PAR - GAS because I
> would expect Eric to seize PIE this spring, which would put him next to a
> vacant MAR, and Erik, your fleets may be otherwise occuppied.
My moves are as follows,
ION - ADR
APU - ROM
PIE - VEN
one is likely to bounce, which should bounce everything.
Erik,
Your fleets should be doing the following.
Tun - ION
WES - TYS
SPA(SC) - LYO
> > F Bul is useless. Drop it.
That is my feeling.
> Hm. I would say F ION. The French fleets can defend ION more than
> adequately and the Italian F BUL forces them to hold back to dispose of the
> rogue unit rather than charge the southern line. My 2c.
>
No...ION is going to ADR, and assuming he doesnt fall back off the Munich
line, I can take back VEN to compesate for BUL, which I will be losing.
Andy
Message from Italy to England and France
Guys....
I know I havent said this before but at this point I think it needs to be
said.
Let me be perfectly clear about one thing.
If you say you are working with me and then you try to take my dots, I
will help the Russian Solo...
And if you think you can get me out, before he gets 2 more dots, you are
smoking the good crack.
it isnt a threat....its just reality.
Andy
Message from Russia to France
Well, with giving up Bul I certainly did not expect to get a build, let alone
two. I'm betting that was a mixed blessing for you. On the one hand, my moves
keep Andy from being able to put TOO much pressure on you. On the other hand,
they make it more likely that he'll try to help Ben to spite me, and they
make me look a LOT more dangerous than I was.
I can't think of many ways that we could cooperate that wouldn't be risky for
you, and you may be more interested in a stop-the-leader coalition. But if
you wanted to, I could see you supporting me (or Turkey) into Ion, and then
making a push for Italy proper. If I took Ion, I could support you into Tys,
then Nap. I haven't looked to figure out if that gets you a build soon enough
to actually help your position, but it's the only southern cooperation I can
imagine.
In the north, Mar is vulnerable, but I don't know what Andy's going to do. If
he disbands Pie, then you're probably in good shape short term, but even if
Ben backs off of you I can't see Andy working to get you builds, which means
that when (and if) you two stalemate me, Ben will sweep in and try for a solo
or to reduce the draw down.
So how do you want to proceed?
--- Eric
Italy: REMOVE Fleet Bulgaria (south coast)
Russia: BUILD Fleet Sevastopol
Russia: BUILD Army Warsaw
Centers
England: 11
France: 5
Italy: 3
Russia: 14
Turkey: 1
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