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England: Removes 1 unit
France: Builds 2 units
Germany: Builds 1 unit
Italy: Builds 1 unit
Russia: Builds 2 units
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from Germany to France
Well it looks like Russia is turning into a big bear, am I the only one attacking England or will you be joining in.
Message from Germany to France
Well looks like the Italian is finally shaping up to come your way. I hope you join me against England.
You dont want to be tied down in Germany. I can last a long time with 4 armies.
Message from Austria to France
Erik,
Good moves, but be warry of Andy. His relation with
Jason is very strong and if he decide to move against
you, it will be difficult for me to help you.
Good luck,
Philippe
Message from England to France
Erik -
Well, in a big surprise, Tony lied to me again. . . As I see it, we should
still be ok, as I am inclined to believe I will get Russian help against
Germany now. What harm am I, after all, and Tony has grown too much & been
lying his butt off to everyone, as far as I can tell.
F MAR and A PAR? I'm not sure why you would want to build F BRE, but if
you have reasons, let me know, so I can discourage you. ;o)
Ben
Message from England to all
Greetings all. I will be travelling through Friday - maybe Saturday - and
will correspond as much as I can.
Ben
Message from Germany to all
Hahahahahaha I hope none of you are observers to the PINNACLE VGFP 2002-2004
tournament via yahoo groups.
I posted my password, moves and press to the user group. Thanks to Doug for
pointing that out.
Message from France to Germany
Tony:
My apologies. I had some last-minute information that seemed to indicate
that England was going to recover Norway and not have to disband. Given
that, I thought it best to go for the additional build and do everything
possible to encourage England to move out of a position where he could
defend against me.
In any case, I don't think we're in terribly bad shape. I have two builds
coming, one of which I think I can manage to place in Brest with Ben's
consent, especially given the support England will need against Russia
soon. I'm hoping to get A Yor or F Lon disbanded, and had I moved to Eng
or Iri, that probably wouldn't have happened.
So, F Bre and F Mar. That gives Andy something to consider as he decides
whether he wants to start venturing West, and gives me F Bre - Eng and
Por - Mao. I'm then in a position to help you into Nth and continue on to
Lvp the following year.
Make sense? Meanwhile, you can, ideally, begin preparing to deal with
Russia, because once Austria's dispatched, he'll be looking your way.
Erik
Message from France to England
Ben:
Okay, so trusting Tony was a little naive of us. At least I got Belgium,
which keeps him toned down a notch.
Not sure where you should head now. You need to take a center back, sure;
maybe it's worth trying for Holland or Denmark instead. I'm sure Russia
would help you move Ska - Den; the last thing he wants is EG cooperation.
The only reason for F Bre is to build fleets to deal with Andy without
alarming him immediately; F Mar is a little troubling for him, whereas F
Bre - Mao, Por - Spa (sc) achieves almost the same position but with less
initial threat to him.
Erik
Message from France to Russia
Eric:
That turned out rather well. Tony just killed any chance he might have
had of working with England; Ben is unlikely to trust him at all for a
while. They remain divided. Meanwhile, I've picked up two builds,
including Bel. I'd say we're looking pretty.
I am trying to convince Ben of the necessity of building F Bre. We'll
see. In any case, it may be time for you to meddle in Den. What's on your
build plan this turn?
Erik
Message from Russia to France
Erik,
Sorry, I've been sketchy about sending press the last two days. I should have
written you sooner. In case you didn't look at it closely, I hope you
appreciate my moves in the east. I think you are the person who most benefits
from that, in that Andy does not get the two builds he expected and really
wanted to allow him to come after you. That move pissed off both Andy and
Jason, so I thought you might be willing to throw some props my way. :)
Really, I wanted to point it out to make it clear that I'm serious about FR
cooperation.
As to builds, well, if you think you have a hard time convincing Ben about F
Bre, what do you think my chances are of convincing him of StP/nc? :) I think
that given his size, I'd like to work with you two to continue to hit Tony,
and I'm assuming that still works for you. Now that England is smaller, I
have fewer long term concerns. Once Tony is handled, we can pinch out Ben and
both move south.
What I like about StP/nc is it can get to Swe as fast as /sc, but it's much
less threatening to Tony. But I can't imagine how I could put it out there
and not become a lightning rod for his (Ben's) fleets. Right now, Tony is the
last one to stab him, and I'd like to believe that puts me more on Ben's good
side than Tony is; I'd hate to lose that good will by trying to be too
clever.
So we'll see. What's your take on the menu? I think beer and bratwurst sounds
better than fish and chips, but I'd like to take your tastes into account as
well. :)
Thoughts?
--- Eric
Message from England to France
Erik -
I made a big mistake not attacking DEN. Still I am hopeful for Russian cooperation.
As you say he does not want EG cooperation, and I am sure he does not want Tony to
grow any more.
So I will reach out to him - already underway.
Your moves have been exclusively anti-Germany. Andy can live with a F MAR; hold it
back if you like. I can write him of your defensive intentions, if you like.
Ben
Message from England to all
Ok, I have *occasional* access - maybe about once per day, evenings my
time, for short periods, while I'm away.
I'll be up to full speed over the weekend.
Ben
Message from Italy to France
Erik...
That wasnt nice.
England says you screwed him. But is still willing to work with you
against Tony.
Go make nice with him. Please
Thanks
Andy
Bones Heal
Chicks Dig Scars
Pain is Temporary
Glory is Forever
- Rugby Proverb
Message from France to Italy
Andy:
> Erik...
>
> That wasnt nice.
Taking Belgium wasn't nice? Taking Portugal wasn't nice? What? Is there a
Portugese player that I don't know about?
> England says you screwed him. But is still willing to work with you
> against Tony.
I'm not sure how. I certainly haven't screwed him as far as I can tell. In
fact, I put a lot of effort into trying to get Norway back to his control.
If I screwed anyone in the process, it was Tony, but I've been messing
with him all game.
So where did you reach these, uh, conclusions?
> Go make nice with him. Please
>
Just a reminder, Andy: this is c2, the comments game. You must be playing
in multiple games and getting confused, because your comments to me aren't
really reflective of any reality I can see.
Of course, maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture. In that case, I'd love
to be filled in.
Erik
Message from Italy to France
> >
> > That wasnt nice.
>
> Taking Belgium wasn't nice? Taking Portugal wasn't nice? What? Is there a
> Portugese player that I don't know about?
>
I think they were both very nice.
> > England says you screwed him. But is still willing to work with you
> > against Tony.
>
> I'm not sure how. I certainly haven't screwed him as far as I can tell. In
> fact, I put a lot of effort into trying to get Norway back to his control.
> If I screwed anyone in the process, it was Tony, but I've been messing
> with him all game.
>
> So where did you reach these, uh, conclusions?
>
From the press the English sent me asking me to mediate getting you two
back on the same page.
His words were....France screwed me in 02', but I still want to work with
him.
> > Go make nice with him. Please
>
> Just a reminder, Andy: this is c2, the comments game. You must be playing
> in multiple games and getting confused, because your comments to me aren't
> really reflective of any reality I can see.
>
> Of course, maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture. In that case, I'd love
> to be filled in.
Im not confusing anything, I am just passing on the request of the
English.
You should talk to him.
Andy
Message from France to England
>
> Erik -
> I made a big mistake not attacking DEN. Still I am hopeful for Russian
> cooperation.
True. Last turn could have gone better all around, I think, despite my
gains in Belgium. Actually taking Munich sort of threw me for a loop, and
the Russian's wacky set of moves really kind of derailed your efforts.
>
> Your moves have been exclusively anti-Germany. Andy can live with a F
> MAR; hold it
> back if you like. I can write him of your defensive intentions, if you
> like.
>
I suppose you're right. Speaking of Andy, he's been sending me messages
urging me to "make nice" with you, and claims that you've been claiming to
him that I somehow screwed you in '02. What's the story with that?
Erik
Message from England to France
Erik -
Interesting about Andy. What I told him was, *Eric* screwed me. He must have
heard, *Erik*. :-)
Still it works to our benefit. Tell him you had to build F MAR (instead of
BRE) to make up with me.
It gave me a laugh anyway - I had to dig up the press I'd sent him. Pretty funny.
Do me a favor and don't build F BRE. It will force me to keep A YOR, which I'd
rather not do.
Ben
Message from Russia to France
Erik,
This AM is make-up press time for me.
I was thinking that I should also throw in some comments in case you are
trying to set up an FG vs E(R). No idea whether or not you are, but I know
Tony is looking for you to let up on him, but probably worth addressing
just in case.
Tony is not to be trusted. It is not surprising that he clearly lied to Ben
about support to Swe. It *is* interesting that most everything he told me
(his apparent ally) about what was happening last season was also made up.
He told me that you had sworn to attack Kie. He also told me he had offered
to support Ska-Swe from Den but Ben *refused* and therefore (Tony) told Ben
that the offer was cancelled. Based on the move results and what you and I
discussed about you taking Bel, that was all inaccurate information.
He told me all this because he really wanted me to order Swe S Den, by
thinking that there was no chance that Ben would attack Nwy (something
which I also doubted based on conversations I had with Ben).
So what's my point? Don't all Diplomacy players lie? Well, sure, to some
extent a good player will color the truth, or maybe lie to set up the
devastating stab. But I prefer the kind of ally that I can talk to directly
-- like you and I did last season about how to manage Ben's situation now
that I was in Nwy -- rather than one that tries to maneuver me into doing
something I'd be willing to do cooperatively.
That's all a long way of repeating what I said in my last message, which is
that I'm really hoping we can make FR work well. I think our discussions
have gone well to date, I've shown a willingness to help you by slowing
Andy's growth in the south, and we have good position on EG.
Which brings me back to the question of how you'd like to move forward. If
you want to take on Ben, we can do that. If you think you can get his okay
to build F Bre, maybe we should work on Tony first, and then hit Ben as
soon as Tony's defenses are weakened. Or we can split our forces and have
me press Ben while you hit Tony.
So, what are your thoughts at this point.
--- Eric
Message from England to France
Erik -
I am at work & don't have my archives here. Where were we? Did you decide
not to build F BRE?
Ben
Message from France to England
>
> Erik -
> I am at work & don't have my archives here. Where were we? Did you
> decide
> not to build F BRE?
>
Yes. I'll build F Mar and tell Andy that you forced me not to build in Bre
as part of my trying to win you back from "screwing you." Just don't
correct his mistake if you haven't already.
So, A Par and F Bre. What are you going to remove?
Erik
Message from France to Italy
Andy:
I don't know why England's miffed, but I'm doing my best to make nice. I
do NOT want him cooperating with Tony, I can tell you that much.
So once you guys chew up Austria, what then? Obviously, I'd be more
comfortable seeing you and Russia take on Turkey than see you head west,
but I'm also getting a little wary of unchecked Russian growth. What do
you think?
Erik
Message from France to Russia
Eric:
Don't worry. I am very committed to seeing FR cooperation. I am well-aware
of Tony's tendency to tell fibs, starting with turn one. Of course, I've
been promising him an attack against England for years, but at least he's
the only one I've been less than truthful with.
I think we should finish Tony off while England's still weak. Better that
than killing off England and finding Tony recovered. As such, I'm going to
build A Par and F Mar. That will kill my chances with Tony, but so be it.
As long as Tony thinks you're on his side, we're in a great position: an
apparent FE vs RG with the two of us keeping them small while we slowly
expand around them.
What's your build plan? I won't get much more of a chance to write today,
but we can discuss our plan in more detail once we get to the moves. In
general, I'd say I should continue going for Holland or assisting England
go for Holland while you prevent England from taking Denmark. In the
process, see if you can marshall some forces closer to the German border
in preparation for a second phase.
Thoughts?
Erik
Message from France to Turkey
Sorry I haven't talked to you in a while -- we've clearly both been busy.
Nice work on the diplomatic redirect down there. Very well done. Would you
like to talk about Russian growth?
Erik
Message from France to Austria
Phillipe:
So what's up? Things aren't looking so hot in Vienna these days.
Erik
Message from Italy to France
> Andy:
>
> I don't know why England's miffed, but I'm doing my best to make nice. I
> do NOT want him cooperating with Tony, I can tell you that much.
Did you get my email over the weekend.
He isnt miffed at you, I misunderstood him, and he is miffed at the other
Eric.
> So once you guys chew up Austria, what then? Obviously, I'd be more
> comfortable seeing you and Russia take on Turkey than see you head west,
> but I'm also getting a little wary of unchecked Russian growth. What do
> you think?
Unchecked Russian Growth is not good....Turkey is the plan
Message from England to France
Erik -
> Yes. I'll build F Mar and tell Andy that you forced me not to
> build in Bre
> as part of my trying to win you back from "screwing you." Just don't
> correct his mistake if you haven't already.
Good, good. No, I didn't tell him - I thought it might work to our
advantage this way.
> So, A Par and F Bre. What are you going to remove?
A LON.
I'm hopeful Eric will work with me now - I'm agreeable and his easy gain, in
NWY, he already has.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
Oops. Remove the army in YOR, I meant - there is of course no army in LON.
Ben
Message from Austria to France
Hi Erik,
> Phillipe:
One l & two p please, if you don't mind.
> So what's up? Things aren't looking so hot in Vienna these days.
Well, it depend on what everyone else is doing isn't it?
Now, I'm probably reading too much into it, but it
sound like you are happy to see me in a tough spot.
Have I done anything to deserve this?
Philippe.
P.-S. Whatever the case, my warning regarding Andy
still stand. It doesn't seem like he has anything to fear
from Turkey in the coming years, so he could be going
your way anytime now.
Message from France to Austria
> One l & two p please, if you don't mind.
>
> > So what's up? Things aren't looking so hot in Vienna these days.
>
> Well, it depend on what everyone else is doing isn't it?
> Now, I'm probably reading too much into it, but it
> sound like you are happy to see me in a tough spot.
> Have I done anything to deserve this?
You're reading way too much into it. I just haven't heard much from you in
a while, so I thought I'd get your attention.
>
> P.-S. Whatever the case, my warning regarding Andy
> still stand. It doesn't seem like he has anything to fear
> from Turkey in the coming years, so he could be going
> your way anytime now.
I know. Which is why I thought it might be best if we communicated a
little more often. From what I hear, you did something to cause Turkey to
stop thinking it was wise to work with you, but I don't know what.
Obviously, if you crumble, it makes it hard for me to deal with Andy, so I
don't want to see you get eaten up by those three. What can I do to help?
Erik
Message from Austria to France
> You're reading way too much into it. I just haven't heard much from you in
> a while, so I thought I'd get your attention.
OK. After having been attacked by Jason for no reason, I'm
a bit warry of everyone. Not seeing the logic of his actions
really cramp my style in the south. Putting out fire is part of
the game I guess, but it's no gameplan.
> I know. Which is why I thought it might be best if we communicated a
> little more often. From what I hear, you did something to cause Turkey to
> stop thinking it was wise to work with you, but I don't know what.
> Obviously, if you crumble, it makes it hard for me to deal with Andy, so I
> don't want to see you get eaten up by those three. What can I do to help?
Short story is that Jason got convinced to work with Andy
for whatever reasons. I don't know the details and I'm done
trying to figure it out, but you are welcome to try if you like.
Tactic wise, not leaving yourself open to Andy and making
sure your are ready to go for an opening of his own is all I
can ask from you at the moment.
Regards,
Philippe
Message from Russia to France
I've been agonizing over the builds, especially F StP/nc. The advantage of
not doing so is that it allows me to put an extra army on the ground
(something I need anyway). The downside of not going with F StP is that it
just begs Ben to come after me in Nwy/Swe. He has said that he's more
interested in punishing Tony than in coming after me at this point. I tend to
believe that is true, and that such an intent may last as much as a season or
two (that is, until Tony actually gets pruned down a center or two) before
he'd reconsider it. If you are going to get another build in that time, it
might not be a problem, though (and it would give you an excuse to take Hol
rather than Ben).
What would be the impact to you if I don't build F StP? As with your builds,
it would certainly get Tony's attention in a bad way. He'd be pushing for EG,
but may have burned too many bridges for that to work at this point. Can we
make it work if I leave Tony flopping but don't really help Ben much? In this
scenario, I would tell Ben that I'm pro-E, but wouldn't let him take Den when
it comes down to it.
I'm also only available briefly today (meetings from morning through 2:30 and
more meetings and class from 4:00 through 8:00pm tonight). I will almost
certainly see any replies you send, but am not sure I'll have a chance to
reply to anything prior to the builds.
Sorry, I know I'm jumping around ideas here, I'm just trying to balance my
build needs in the north with those in the south, and not end up too wide
open to overland attacks in case anyone (G or A in particular) decide I'm to
blame for their circumstances.
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to France
Good to hear from you.
Not sure how much is diplomatic maneuvering and how much is me just
being confused. :-)
As for Russian growth, certainly. His position in the north is much more
advanced than I would have expected. How are you and England looking to
keep him in check?
jason
England: REMOVE Army Yorkshire
France: BUILD Fleet Marseilles
France: BUILD Army Paris
Germany: BUILD Army Berlin
Italy: BUILD Army Rome
Russia: BUILD Army Sevastopol
Russia: BUILD Army Warsaw
Turkey: BUILD Fleet Smyrna
Centers
Austria: 4
England: 3
France: 6
Germany: 5
Italy: 5
Russia: 7
Turkey: 4
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