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Message from England to Russia
Nick,
How 'bout that. Fredd finally cut you a break.
I am thinking of the following:
StP->Nor
Nth->Helgo
Edi->Nth
Hol->Kie
If I am bounced out of Norway in the spring, then I can support myself in
with Nth in the fall. You probably are going to take Warsaw in the spring
before taking StP in the fall. Right?
It doesn't make any sense for Germany to squeeze you out of Denmark, for
you would just retreat to Sweden.
With Denmark you can try Den->Swe hoping to bounce or even Den supp
Hol->Kiel. Another possibility is to talk to Fredd and see if he might
even reveal his plans to you. His removal was anti-England, so he might be
willing to help you as he departs this world by tipping off his moves.
What am I missing? Do you have any suggestions?
I will be out of town most of the time from noon Saturday through Sunday
evening.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> How 'bout that. Fredd finally cut you a break.
A year or two too late for him, but...
> I am thinking of the following:
>
> StP->Nor
> Nth->Helgo
> Edi->Nth
> Hol->Kie
Seems reasonable.
> If I am bounced out of Norway in the spring, then I can support myself in
> with Nth in the fall. You probably are going to take Warsaw in the spring
> before taking StP in the fall. Right?
Yes, if I take StP this year at all. Given the fact that StP is
English, War is
German, and Sev is Turkish, there's not a whole lot of reason to take two
Centers this year.
> Another possibility is to talk to Fredd and see if he might even reveal
> his plans to you. His removal was anti-England, so he might be
> willing to help you as he departs this world by tipping off his moves.
I doubt he'll go that far, but I'll write to him.
> What am I missing? Do you have any suggestions?
I think you've covered it.
Nick.
Message from Russia to Germany
Fredd,
Any ideas or suggestions?
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
> Yes, if I take StP this year at all. Given the fact that StP is
>English, War is
>German, and Sev is Turkish, there's not a whole lot of reason to take two
>Centers this year.
I am not sure just what you mean here. Don't forget that we have a tricky
situation in Sweden/Denmark also, both of which you own.
Let me mention something that is bothering me greatly. I am worried that a
crises with France may arrive too soon. France wants to attack Munich in
the spring. He also proposes to advance to the Piedmont. Thus he can walk
into all three Italian centers in the fall in addition to taking Munich.
France says he will only take one or two Italian centers so we can stay
balanced, but he is putting himself into position to take everything.
I feel like we are the watchdogs here. Certainly Italy and Turkey can't be
counted on. I have been hoping that you would be farther west if and when
France made his move, that you would be grabbing Berlin and have armies
ready to move into Austria.
This is just me worrying out loud. Should France go for it this year, I
hope that you and I can organize some sort of resistance.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> >Yes, if I take StP this year at all. Given the >fact that StP is
>English, War is German, and Sev >is Turkish, there's not a whole lot of
>reason to >take two Centers this year.
>I am not sure just what you mean here. Don't forget that we have a tricky
>situation in Sweden/Denmark also, both of which you own.
Rest assured that I'm well aware of my Scandinavian
Problem, but given the German disbands, it seems
unlikely that he will try for Swe or Den unless I
support Hol-Kie. *Nick considers Den S Hol-Kie,
Lvn-Pru this Spring, followed by Kie S Pru-Ber...*
Hmmm, what do you think?
>I am worried that a crisis with France may arrive too soon. France wants
>to attack Munich in the spring. He also proposes to advance to the
>Piedmont. Thus he can walk into all three Italian centers in the fall in
>addition to taking Munich.
Yes, that is a potential problem, I'll speak with
Roberto.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
Well, it certainly looks as though you won't
have to worry about ELS after this year. Surviving
could be a problem, however... Care to discuss
taking out Turkey and defending against France?
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Russia to Germany
Fredd,
Sources indicate that France will make a supported
attack on Mun this Spring.
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>Rest assured that I'm well aware of my Scandinavian
>Problem, but given the German disbands, it seems
>unlikely that he will try for Swe or Den unless I
>support Hol-Kie.
Unlikely? Doesn't he have a 50-50 chance at Sweden or Denmark? Skag->Swe
if Denmark holds; Skag->Den if you try Den->Swe?
>*Nick considers Den S Hol-Kie,
>Lvn-Pru this Spring, followed by Kie S Pru-Ber...*
>Hmmm, what do you think?
*IF* Denmark is not going to move (and you do need to consider Den->Swe --
toss a coin?), then it can do no better than Den supp Hol->Kie. I should
also note that France is reconsidering (or says he is) Ruhr supp Bur->Mun.
He may support Hol->Kiel after all. May. Right now, all I can be sure of
is that I will be in Helgoland this spring, and if I haven't taken Kiel in
the spring, then I can support myself in the fall. Even that isn't
guaranteed though.
Your idea of Lvn->Pru is interesting. It has the advantage of attacking
what I thought would be the last German center to fall, namely Berlin. The
disadvantage is that you would be giving up a sure StP for a less than
certain Berlin. I could indeed support you from Kiel, and you could cut
German support from Warsaw, so chances are quite reasonable. I don't think
there is any risk that Germany will bounce you in Warsaw this spring. He
gave up Warsaw with his removals.
My moves are in. They are as advertised. You have several options and I
will be happy with any of them. There is a chance that France will get
back to me again today. I'll let you know if anything critical is
exchanged.
Write if you have questions.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> >it seems unlikely that he will try for Swe or >Den unless I support
>Hol-Kie.
>Doesn't he have a 50-50 chance at Sweden or Denmark?
Yes, but Ska-Nwy or Ska-Nth also causes you/us
problems. If Fredd had disbanded Tyl, rather than
War or Bot, I'd say Ska-Swe/Den was more likely,
but given his pro-Russian disbands, I doubt that
attacking my Centers will be his first idea this
Spring, and given that it's a 50-50 shot, I'm not
sure trying to defend against it makes much sense.
> >*Nick considers Den S Hol-Kie,
> >Lvn-Pru this Spring, followed by Kie S Pru-Ber...*
> >Hmmm, what do you think?
>
>*IF* Denmark is not going to move (and you do need to consider Den -Swe
>--toss a coin?),
I'm still thinking as I'm writing here, but Den-Swe
doesn't make sense to me. *IF* Fredd orders Ska-Swe
he ends up disbanding two or three, and GF Swe is
isolated. Ska-Den is much more likely, I think.
>Your idea of Lvn->Pru is interesting. The disadvantage is that you would
>be giving up a sure StP for a less than certain Berlin. I could indeed
>support you from Kiel, and you could cut German support from Warsaw
The problem is, if Germany orders Sil S Tyl-Mun,
Ska-Den, then he covers Mun, or bounces Hol-Kie,
depending on France's orders for A Ruhr. Would you
consider Hol S Den-Kie, Nth-Den, Lvn-Pru? If he
orders Ska-Swe, you could order Nwy S Den-Swe in
the Fall, while I take Berlin. If he orders Ska-Den,
it would bounce, and we'd still take Ber, but
defending against GF Ska in the Fall, would require
some thought to avoid having you taking Den and Swe.
Hmmm, interesting... Do you see anything I'm
overlooking?
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Russia to England and France
Gentlemen,
We have Germany spread out, and unable to support
himself right now. I think it is important to keep
him from consolidating his position, so I strongly
urge, Nth-Hel, Edi-Nth, Den S Hol-Kie, Bur S Ruh-Mun.
This will keep him from covering Mun, and let us
take at least two of his remaining Centers this year,
with the potential to take three or four.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Master to Russia
Just a reminder; moves are due tonight.
Doug
Message from Russia to Master
>Message from masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master to Russia in 'titleist':
>
>Just a reminder; moves are due tonight.
Yes, I know, and if I had a clue about where I was
moving, I'd have preliminary orders in. ;^}
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
I'm at work only briefly right now.
> >Your idea of Lvn->Pru is interesting. The disadvantage is that you would
> >be giving up a sure StP for a less than certain Berlin. I could indeed
> >support you from Kiel, and you could cut German support from Warsaw
>
>The problem is, if Germany orders Sil S Tyl-Mun,
>Ska-Den, then he covers Mun, or bounces Hol-Kie,
>depending on France's orders for A Ruhr. Would you
>consider Hol S Den-Kie, Nth-Den, Lvn-Pru? If he
>orders Ska-Swe, you could order Nwy S Den-Swe in
>the Fall, while I take Berlin. If he orders Ska-Den,
>it would bounce, and we'd still take Ber, but
>defending against GF Ska in the Fall, would require
>some thought to avoid having you taking Den and Swe.
>Hmmm, interesting... Do you see anything I'm
>overlooking?
The worst result would be if Germany tried Skag supp Kiel->Den. Then we've
gotten nowhere. The more likely Skag->Den backs up two of my fleet
movements. Still ... .
I'm not saying "no" yet. I want to go home and move the wooden pieces
around a little first. I hope you can check e-mail this evening.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
>Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
>I'm at work only briefly right now.
*nod* Me too.
>if Germany tried Skag supp Kiel->Den.
That seems amazingly unlikely unless someone told
him what we planned. Den S Hol-Kie is our most
likely move, so Ska S Kie-Den doesn't gain him
much.
>The more likely Skag->Den backs up two of my fleet
>movements. Still ... .
True, but since we'd be taking Kiel in the Spring,
Nth-Hel wouldn't really be needed anymore. Edi-Nwg,
ECh-Nth might be better if you expect Ska-Den,
though. I will be online tonight, so play with the
blocks and get back to me.
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>> >if Germany tried Skag supp Kiel->Den.
>>
>>That seems amazingly unlikely unless someone told
>>him what we planned.
There are a lot of combinations, but we just have too much manpower for
much to go wrong. So I am willing order Hol s Den->Kiel. As far as I can
see you will get Berlin, provided you are in Prussia and Warsaw.
Time is tight. I need confirmation from you in time to correspond with
France. The last I heard from him he was considering Ruhr supp Hol->Kiel.
I don't want that to be an invalid move, because I don't want to give him
any excuse to attack me first. I should be functional until about 10:30 pm
eastern. Later if I watch Dallas-Washington. But they are so bad, So I
don't know.
Nth->Den may be wasted and can back up my fleets, so I am still considering
Nth->Bight. If Germany slips into Denmark, he will easily be ousted in the
fall. I'm putting my money on Skag->Sweden. If so, that will be his last
unit.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
> I am willing order Hol s Den->Kiel. As far as I can
> see you will get Berlin, provided you are in Prussia and Warsaw.
Agreed. I'll order Ukr-War, Lvn-Pru, Den-Kie.
> Nth->Den may be wasted and can back up my fleets, so I am still
> considering Nth->Bight. If Germany slips into Denmark, he will
> easily be ousted in the fall.
Yes, we can force him out of Den, GA Ber S GF Den-Kie, would
keep me from taking Berlin. This is one of those odd cases where
a bounce is better for us. (Actually, Nth-Den, Ska-Swe would be
ideal.) Nth-Den, Edi-Nwg, ECh-Nth has possibilities, I think. It
allows Nwg-NAO, if France takes Rome, Nap, Ven and Mun, for
one thing. If the moves work, you can still order Hol S Nth-Bel in
the Fall; if the Spring bounces, then Hol S ECh-Bel, in the Fall. I
don't see a down-side.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
Thanks for your earlier note. I am a bit late in
responding. It is hard to respond to joint notes because
England and I discuss our situation and it is generally
not good to debate in public. It looks bad to argue in
front of over people ;-) I know that the moves affect
you, but in general they are about manuevers that require
our units only to coordinate.
What is the thought behind your moving to Kiel. I guess
that I can agree to it, but that fleet does not help me
with Munich. It can't get there! :-)
Good luck with your moves. Since I am not fighting the
Kiel fleet, can you help break Silesian support in the
fall, provided that there is still a unit in Silesia?
Give it some thought. You are likely to get two centers,
but can only build one unit. That is OK if it keeps
England from building too many and/or cuts one more from
Germany.
--Xavier
Message from Germany to Russia
Nick:
I already had my moves in when you made your suggestions. It's my
typical game plan when I'm fighting in multiple directions without much
chance for survival. Fight in one direction, then fight in another.
Certainly I'm done for. And that has been in the cards for a long
time, as I've been watching England slowly move to the NE.
Looks like it'll be your turn next. Unless you think England will
attack France again. He probably will, but not before you and I are
toast.
Fredd
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
Please keep checking e-mail if you can. France and I are still
negotiating. I had forgotten that I had promised that Kiel would support
him into Munich in the fall. Your fleet in Kiel can't do that. France may
still permit your plan though. Cross your fingers.
Ivy
Message from Germany to Russia
Care to support me into the North Sea?
Fredd
Message from England to Russia
No word from France. It will be Hol s Den-kie
Ivy
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
> What is the thought behind your moving to Kiel. I guess
> that I can agree to it, but that fleet does not help me
> with Munich. It can't get there! :-)
England and I were talking about how to handle GF Ska,
get me a build, and take as many German Centers as
possible, and as I said in my note to both of your, he's
likely to support himself to Mun this Spring, so Bur Support
Ruh-Mun is needed to keep him from consolidating his
position. Den S Hol-Kie is our most likely move, so he's
bound to order Ska-Den to cut support. Therefore, by
ordering Hol S Den-Kie, and combining it with Lvn-Pru,
Ukr-War, we take Kiel, and almost certainly Berlin and
Munich in the Fall, (especially if you order Mar-Pie,
followed by Pie-Tyl). It seems our best chance to take
Germany to one Center this year.
> Good luck with your moves. Since I am not fighting the
> Kiel fleet, can you help break Silesian support in the
> fall, provided that there is still a unit in Silesia?
> Give it some thought.
That's the plan. Kiel S Pru-Ber, War-Sil to cut support.
> You are likely to get two centers, but can only build one unit.
> That is OK if it keeps England from building too many and/or
> cuts one more from Germany.
The idea was to destroy Germany as fast as possible, (and
hopefully, make Russia viable again.)
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
The more I think about it the more important Nth-Den seems.
If Fredd take Swe, you'll need to be in Den for Nwy S Den-Swe,
and if Fredd moves Ska-Den without being bounced, it will keep
me from taking Berlin this Fall.
In Haste,
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
Nth->Den it is.
Ivy
Message [from Russia] to all
Someone wonders whom we are waiting for? (Or is that who?)
Message [from England] to all
>Someone wonders whom we are waiting for? (Or is that who?)
It's "whom." Only use "who" in that context if want to avoid being
considered priggish. (smile)
Message [from Russia] to all
>Broadcast message in 'titleist':
>
> >Someone wonders whom we are waiting for? (Or is that who?)
>
>It's "whom." Only use "who" in that context if want to avoid being
>considered priggish. (smile)
Hell, I pride myself on being priggish! (grin)
Message [from Turkey] to all
> > >Someone wonders whom we are waiting for? (Or is that who?)
> >
> >It's "whom." Only use "who" in that context if want to avoid being
> >considered priggish. (smile)
>
> Hell, I pride myself on being priggish! (grin)
Then shouldn't you have said "for whom we are waiting"?
This is the kind of language up with which I cannot put. (wink)
Message from Italy to Russia
> Care to discuss taking out Turkey and defending against France?
>
Sure. Ukr-Sev would be looked upon favorably even to the point of
supporting Lvn-War if need be.
Idalia
England: Fleet Edinburgh → North Sea (*bounce*)
England: Fleet English Channel → Belgium
England: Army Holland SUPPORT Russian Fleet Denmark → Kiel
England: Army Liverpool → Yorkshire
England: Fleet North Sea → Denmark (*bounce*)
England: Fleet St Petersburg (north coast) → Norway
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Army Marseilles → Piedmont
France: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Burgundy → Munich
France: Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea
France: Fleet Tuscany SUPPORT Army Marseilles → Piedmont
France: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea → Naples
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean → Tyrrhenian Sea
Germany: Army Kiel SUPPORT Fleet Skagerrak → Denmark (*dislodged*)
Germany: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Tyrolia → Munich
Germany: Fleet Skagerrak → Denmark (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Tyrolia → Munich (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast) (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Serbia → Rumania
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Aegean Sea (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Galicia SUPPORT Army Serbia → Rumania
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast)
Italy: Army Serbia → Rumania
Italy: Army Trieste → Serbia
Italy: Army Vienna → Trieste
Russia: Fleet Denmark → Kiel
Russia: Army Livonia → Prussia
Russia: Army Ukraine → Warsaw
Turkey: Army Ankara SUPPORT Fleet Smyrna
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Rumania → Serbia (*cut*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Rumania → Serbia (*bounce, dislodged*)
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna SUPPORT Army Constantinople
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