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England: Builds 2 units
France: Builds 2 units
Germany: Removes 3 units
Russia: Builds 1 unit
Message from Russia to all
>Movement results for Fall of 1907. (titleist.029)
>
>England: 8 Supply centers, 6 Units: Builds 2 units.
>France: 9 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 2 units.
>Germany: 0 Supply centers, 3 Units: Removes 3 units.
>Italy: 8 Supply centers, 8 Units: Builds 0 units.
>Russia: 4 Supply centers, 3 Units: Builds 1 unit.
>Turkey: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.
Hmmm, lied to, and/or stabbed by three different Powers,
and I still gained a Center. Interesting...
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Hmmm, lied to, and/or stabbed by three different Powers,
> and I still gained a Center. Interesting...
>
But nowhere to build unfortunately.
Germany and Turkey seem obvious decievers.
I assume England was the 3rd. What was it that he lied about?
Or was it me? Quickly checking my records, I don't think so.
Idalia
Message from Russia to Italy
>Message from Italy to Russia in 'titleist':
> >
> > Hmmm, lied to, and/or stabbed by three different Powers,
> > and I still gained a Center. Interesting...
> >
>
>But nowhere to build unfortunately.
Yes, that's why I said I gained a Center, rather than
a build.
>Germany and Turkey seem obvious deceivers.
>I assume England was the 3rd. What was it that he lied about?
Actually, England and Turkey stabbed, while England
and France lied. England was supposed to leave Swe
and Den open, and France was supposed to go slow
against you. Ali, the fool, just stabbed, he didn't
even have the decency to lie to me.
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
It's the part of Diplomacy that I hate. What do you do when you are making
moves that will disappoint someone you respect? Maintain absolute silence
for a week? That doesn't work. What else is there? You have to say
things that aren't true.
I was determined to go for Sweden and Denmark this turn and hoped to have
your blessing. But ... .
It was partly to eliminate Germany, and, yes, partly to prepare for an
attack on you. That's been the French/English plan, and as long as France
cooperated, I saw no reason to deviate.
Did you say three persons lied? Who were the other two?
Ivy
Message from England to all
Fredd,
I enjoyed our partnership. Seriously.
And we still have eight units between us!
Take care.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
>It's the part of Diplomacy that I hate. What do you do when you are making
>moves that will disappoint someone you respect? You have to say
>things that aren't true.
Well, actually, you could have told me the truth.
It's not like I was in a position to stop you.
>It was partly to eliminate Germany, and, yes, partly to prepare for an
>attack on you. That's been the French/English plan, and as long as France
>cooperated, I saw no reason to deviate.
How about because there's no stalemate line between
France and England, and with Italy handing France
Centers there's no way you can match his growth, so
you'll end up losing to a French solo? Seems like
a hell of a reason to deviate to me.
>Did you say three persons lied? Who were the other two?
Actually, two people lied, and two people stabbed.
You did both, though, so in total, it was three.
Nick.
Message from Master to all
Thank you for playing, Germany. The end came much more suddenly
than I expected! Please write up an EOG statement and "press to m"
(or broadcast, if you prefer). You can also write one at game's
end, but I'd prefer one now, if it's not too much trouble.
Doug
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>Well, actually, you could have told me the truth.
>It's not like I was in a position to stop you.
I thought about it, but I was not thrilled with the prospect of fighting a
Germany/Russia coalition. That could have been possible for all I know.
>How about because there's no stalemate line between
>France and England, and with Italy handing France
>Centers there's no way you can match his growth, so
>you'll end up losing to a French solo? Seems like
>a hell of a reason to deviate to me.
Yeah, I know. One of the things that I will discover when reading all the
mail (gulp!) after the game is over is whether or not you and France ever
intended to slice me up if the opportunity arose. I was never confident
that you would be in my camp if France and I went to war.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> >Well, actually, you could have told me the truth.
> >It's not like I was in a position to stop you.
>
>I was not thrilled with the prospect of fighting a
>Germany/Russia coalition. That could have been possible for all I know.
Given the difficulty you had coordinating with
Germany, and the history of his invasion of Warsaw
and St. Petersburg, I can't believe you could
seriously conceive of GR vs. E.
> >How about because there's no stalemate line between
> >France and England, and with Italy handing France
> >Centers there's no way you can match his growth, so
> >you'll end up losing to a French solo? Seems like
> >a hell of a reason to deviate to me.
>
>Yeah, I know. One of the things that I will discover when reading all the
>mail (gulp!) after the game is over is whether or not you and France ever
>intended to slice me up if the opportunity arose.
I've been at 3 Centers since 1902; my focus has been
on just surviving, and punishing those Powers whom
have done me harm. (Note that Austria and Germany,
the first two Powers to attack Russia, were the first
two Powers eliminated. Do you really want to be the
third? ;^) Before this Fall, I never considered
endgame possibilities.
>I was never confident that you would be in my camp if France and I went to
>war.
Well, I'd ask you to review my letter about you
stabbing me, and then attacking France. That's
STILL possible. Hell, I'd ally with anyone, at
this point. 8-)
Nick.
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Actually, England and Turkey stabbed, while England
> and France lied. England was supposed to leave Swe
> and Den open, and France was supposed to go slow
> against you.
>
Sounds like your usefullness to EF has run its course but I'm sure you knew
that would happen with the annihilation of Germany.
Idalia
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I am really ticked at Turkey. I was going to write him
and ask him not to do that, but I did not want to put the
thought into his head if he hadn't seen it. I guess that
was naive of me to think that he would not notice. The
real problem was he did not write at all.
Ignoring what a disappointed it was to you and being
purely selfish, it hurts me in that it makes England
without any serious threats. Given Turkey's move against
you, it will be hard for you to fight England.
I am sorry for his move to Denmark. He said that he was
planning it, but I did not know if he was lying to me or
not. I wanted to tell you, but the losses (war with
England) outweighed your gains (your good will). I was
just praying that Germany would bounce him from one of
Den/Swe and that Turkey would behave. Oh well, 50%.
Now what are your plans? What is Turkey telling you? He
cannot expect to hold Sev and Mos with that single army.
He has only bought himself time. Unfortunately for him
he may be less likely to have my help now.
Write as soon as you can and I hope that I was not one of
those your counted as betraying you.
--Xavier
Message from France to all
I suggest that EoG statements be held private to the
end, but certainly can be sent to the master anytime.
Germany can of course broadcast anything
he chooses. I personally would like to know how
me managed all those dates in hot tubs! :-)
Seems like a more useful skill than knowing
stalemate lines!
France
Message from Germany to all
Germany EOG.
One message to cover the whole game. Boy that's a tough one, this
game has already taken much more time than I thought it would. So I'll
keep it short, or at least try.
The most important move of the game. That's easy. England going into
the North Sea. It forced me to pull back my attack on England, and to
pull out of helping England attack France. Of course, it's my belief
that that's exactly what England wanted. I was going to become too
powerful if I gobbled up Russia. Plus I believe that England had decided
that he couldn't get through France so might as well switch directions.
Every move he made from that move on was a swing of his forces toward
me. I knew it was coming, and made many attempts to counter, all to no
avail.
The most important date. Sept 11. It was during this spell that my
fate was sealed. I was pretty sure of the EF juggernaut in the west.
Therefore I needed builds right then. I approached Turkey about
supporting me against Russia, but he did not respond from Sept 11 until
the next moves processed. Obviously he didn't want to go in that
direction, but what really chapped my hide was that he spent weeks as
the silent type then he sent a message within hours of the moves
processing. I wouldn't talk to him the rest of my existence.
Friends or people that I enjoyed playing with. Nobody.
Austria and I must have exchanged 3 messages the whole game. Almost all
of my press to him went unanswered.
Italy - Decent enough except for my final move when he was supposed to
support me into WAR. Chalk up one more stab for Robbie.
Turkey - see above. What's the point of this game if you don't talk.
Russia - What a pain in the butt. Never could he be convinced of
mutually beneficial moves. Always he would go back to moves that would
solely benefit himself. This is why we fought the whole game. His last
laugh is that I'm out before him. My laugh is that he'll be gone very
very soon. I fail to see the difference.
England - I can see why he did what he did. He's much better off this
way. It'll be interesting to see if its him or France who wins.
I believe that he missed one of the best stab opportunities a little
while ago when he didn't attack France. I would have taken it.
France - Probably going to win. Playing a great game. Stalemated
Englands attack and got him to turn toward me. (I wonder how much press
it took to get England to go into the North Sea) He's also got Italy to
totally turn over his entire homeland to him. I wonder if he won't be
able to talk England into accepting 2nd place?
Fredd
Chow
richolver@home.com has resigned richolver@home.com
as Germany in game 'titleist'.
Message from Germany to all
> Broadcast message from France in 'titleist':
>
> I suggest that EoG statements be held private to the
> end, but certainly can be sent to the master anytime.
Ya gotta love it. The person who has sent out more press than anyone
whom I've ever played against, wants to be a censor.
What could any EOG message say that hasn't been said in private many
times?
I thought I'd do it now. I doubt if I'll care at the end. This game lost
it's importance for me about 6 weeks ago. Not that I think there should
be an asterick after the winners name. The winner (who ever it is) will
have certainly earned the title.
Stab you later
I'm looking at getting my own hot tub ;-)
Freddy
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
> I am really ticked at Turkey. I was going to write him
> and ask him not to do that, but I did not want to put the
> thought into his head if he hadn't seen it. I guess that
> was naive of me to think that he would not notice. The
> real problem was he did not write at all.
I'm sure you're not nearly as mad at him as I am. ;^}
I assumed he had noticed, and offered to tap Gal, so that
he could retake Rum, but I also assumed that he would
realize that at best it would delay his death by only a year
or two, and at worse make me side with Italy, and hasten
his demise. It was a phenomenally dumb move, in my
opinion, but then I seem blessed with opponents who
make those sorts of attacks on me in this game.
> Ignoring what a disappointed it was to you and being
> purely selfish, it hurts me in that it makes England
> without any serious threats. Given Turkey's move
> against you, it will be hard for you to fight England.
Well, at this point, my inclination is to order, War-Mos,
and let my German forces remain in Germany to work
with whomever makes me the best offer. There is no EF
stalemate line, and given Italy's behavior, you have and
will likely continue to have the advantage, so it's just a
question of does England stab you before you begin your
solo push, or not?
> Now what are your plans? What is Turkey telling you?
> He cannot expect to hold Sev and Mos with that single
> army. He has only bought himself time. Unfortunately
> for him he may be less likely to have my help now.
I'll be talking to everyone while you and Ivy are
deciding on your builds. Turkey hasn't written or replied
to my letters in some time, though I haven't written to him
since these moves came through. He's lost any chance of
my help, as well. 8-)
> Write as soon as you can and I hope that I was not one
> of those your counted as betraying you.
Well, you did lie to me about going slow in Italy, and
I guess in the bigger sense regarding the EF plan once
Germany was eliminated, but I don't really see that as a
betrayal. You may have convinced Ivy that if he attacked
me, you'd continue to work with him and not take the solo
he is handing you, but he's still the one who attacked, and
he should be able to look at the position, and realize that
he needed me strong as much or more than you did.
Nick.
Message from Russia to Italy
> Message from Italy to Russia in 'titleist':
> Sounds like your usefullness to EF has run its course but I'm sure
> you knew that would happen with the annihilation of Germany.
Actually, I expected them to keep me strong in hopes of gaining
my help when the EF conflict flared up again. I guess England
feared I'd aid France, rather than him. Of course, now I will, so
I'm not sure he's gained that much. Stabbing an ally for just a
Center or two is usually a bad idea. *shrug*
Do you plan to defend against France now, or can I invite you
into Ukr to split Mos and Sev?
Nick.
England: BUILD Army Edinburgh
England: BUILD Army London
France: BUILD Fleet Brest
France: BUILD Army Marseilles
Germany: REMOVE Army Silesia
Germany: REMOVE Fleet Skagerrak
Germany: REMOVE Army Tyrolia
Russia: WAIVE
Centers
England: 8
France: 9
Italy: 8
Russia: 4
Turkey: 5
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