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Message from Master to all
As I mentioned before, there's a player who's asked for an extension
for August 14-20. Right now, the deadline is set for the evening
of the 14th; we'll extend the deadline following that if it involves
the missing player. If not, we'll retreat, build, and extend the
deadline for S1904M.
Please submit orders for F1903M on time. Thanks,
Doug
Message from Germany to Russia
Nick
> GoB-StP will bounce off Lvn-StP, and force me to build in StP. Is that
> what you really want?
Good point. I was planning on forcing you to retreat to STP, but I
forgot that you could disband and rebuild as an army. Not at all what I
want.
My goal is for you to put your fleet in STP. The only way I can get
that is if you move it there yourself. Either as an agreement, or to
protect from GOB-STP. I don't have a lot of faith in reaching an
agreement. So let's toss a coin. Winner puts a fleet in STP.
You're the 2nd person to want me to go BOH-TYR-PIE. I'm not going to
spook Italy by doing that.
I also see your point about attacking the person who is trying to
contain IT. But from what I've heard from Turkey, I think that I should
worry more about RT right now.
Fredd
Message from Russia to all
My moves are in. Wait is NOT set. If you want to try to influence my
moves, contact me.
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Russia to Italy and Turkey
Gentlemen,
War HOLD, Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud, Alb S Tri, Bla-Rum,
Bul S Smy-Con, EMed-Smy, Ion-Tun, takes four Centres
from Austria, giving me two builds, and you each one.
What do you think? I could certainly use two builds, and
I think we need to see Ion move west this turn.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Czar Nicholas:
I was not really attacking the English Channel. I was
attacking Belgium. I knew the odds were not great, but
my position is not great and I preferred to be bold. I
would rather go down in flames than die a slow death. I
had a 50-50 shot at saving the MAO and I guess wrongly.
Speaking of bad guesses, what the heck are you doing in
Livonia? Germany must have betrayed you big time, or did
England talk you into that? I did suggest that you hold
in Bot. You could have retreated to Finland and saved
St. Petes for perhaps another year.
You now have Warsaw but will likely lose Sevastopol. I
wish you luck, but worry that you may not outlast me. At
least you will probably outlast Austria, whom you can
blame for your situation.
-- Prince Boar
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>My moves are in. Wait is NOT set. If you want to try to influence my
>moves, contact me.
Germany and I are having a diplomatic disagreement. I have no idea what he
is going to do with his fleets. I wish I could say more.
Ivy
Message from Italy to Russia and Turkey
>
> War HOLD, Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud, Alb S Tri, Bla-Rum,
> Bul S Smy-Con, EMed-Smy, Ion-Tun, takes four Centres
> from Austria, giving me two builds, and you each one.
> What do you think? I could certainly use two builds, and
> I think we need to see Ion move west this turn.
>
One of the provisions in IT talks was the Turkey wants to re-gain control of
Smyrna and I can hardly blame him. If we delay the re-acquisition of
Smyrna, one of Turkey's units will be out of action for all of next year.
Not ideal.
You seem supremely confident that Austria will not make a play for either
MOS or SEV. That doesn't sound like the Archduke I used to know.
'Tri s Gal-Bud' duly ordered.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Germany
Fredd,
>My goal is for you to put your fleet in STP. The only way I can get
>that is if you move it there yourself. Either as an agreement, or to
>protect from GOB-STP. I don't have a lot of faith in reaching an
>agreement. So let's toss a coin. Winner puts a fleet in STP.
I've always found that reaching an agreement is much
more likely way to get the results you want than trying to
force it.
>You're the 2nd person to want me to go BOH-TYR-PIE. from what I've heard
>from Turkey, I think that I should
>worry more about RT right now.
Hmm, I wonder what you're hearing from Turkey? If
he's the 2nd person, I would guess that he doesn't
want to have to fight you for my Centres, and would
welcome an IG conflict, rather than he views me as an
ally.
Nick.
Message from Russia to France
Prince Boar,
>I was not really attacking the English Channel. I was
>attacking Belgium.
I see. As a risk-taker myself, I won't second-guess
you further.
>Speaking of bad guesses, what the heck are you doing in
>Livonia? Germany must have betrayed you big time, or did
>England talk you into that? I did suggest that you hold
>in Bot.
I was trying to get Germany to shift south against
Austria, and also defend against War-Lvn or Ber-Bal-Lvn.
>You now have Warsaw but will likely lose Sevastopol. I
>wish you luck, but worry that you may not outlast me. At
>least you will probably outlast Austria, whom you can
>blame for your situation.
I'm hoping that Austria will see that I'm his only
hope for survival, and that taking Mos or Sev just
means he'll disband two instead of three.
Ivy says he's having a diplomatic disagreement with
Germany, (presumably over the German attack on StP), so
I'm lobbying him to move MAO-Eng, and stab Germany. If
you take a rational tone with Ivy, something good might
come of it.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Russia to Italy and Turkey
>Message from Italy to Russia and Turkey in 'titleist':
>
> > War HOLD, Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud, Alb S Tri, Bla-Rum,
> > Bul S Smy-Con, EMed-Smy, Ion-Tun, takes four Centres
> > from Austria, giving me two builds, and you each one.
> > What do you think? I could certainly use two builds, and
> > I think we need to see Ion move west this turn.
>
>One of the provisions in IT talks was the Turkey wants to re-gain control
>of Smyrna and I can hardly blame him.
I understand that, but I believe my plan is the only
way to be sure that we all grow, and that we do the maximum
damage to Austria. Trading Smy for Gre risks losing Tri,
or destroying TA Gre, and delaying your move to defend the
western Med.
>You seem supremely confident that Austria will not make a play for either
>MOS or SEV.
I'm hopeful, but given Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud, I'll
still build one, and he'll disband three, even if he
takes Mos or Sev, and I need the double support to
insure that build.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
>Germany and I are having a diplomatic disagreement. I have no idea what he
>is going to do with his fleets. I wish I could say more.
I urge you to consider MAO-Eng, Lon-Nth, Bel-Hol,
NAO-Nwg. Otherwise you run the risk of France throwing
Centres to Germany to deny you builds, and Germany
expanding in the East and West until he becomes too big
to control.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Czar Nicholas:
Thank you for your note of encouragement. I encourage my
brother to be civil with Ivy. He is a bit less sensitive
than I, so he sometimes rubs people the wrong way. I do
think that he is getting better and that Ivy has noticed
a difference.
We will let England know that if he turns on Germany, we
are likely to join him. At the same time, we will defend
ourselves with vigor until we see action, not just words.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Turkey to Russia
Nick,
I've been giving a lot of thought to your proposal, but I'm really hesitant to
move out of Smy. If and when I ever attack Italy, I'll need to build fleets,
and it would make a huge difference if Smy is available for that purpose. But
before I can do that, I need to occupy it in a fall move, then get back out
but keep the center open. Even a one-year delay in achieving that could make
a huge difference, depending on what Italy does.
That doesn't mean Ser might not support your attack on Bud, rather than
supporting Tri as Roberto would like. However that would undoubtedly have
unpleasant repercussions on my relations with Italy, if it means Austria takes
back Trieste.
Anyway, I hope you can understand my position regarding Smy. I'm hopeful we
can work out some other solution that still gives you the builds you need.
Ali
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali, My Friend,
> I've been giving a lot of thought to your proposal, but I'm really
hesitant to
> move out of Smy.
I understand your hesitation. My proposal was merely the only way I
could see to guarantee each of us a build. I would not mind seeing both
of us build two, and Roberto build zero, though.
> That doesn't mean Ser might not support your attack on Bud, rather than
> supporting Tri as Roberto would like. However that would undoubtedly have
> unpleasant repercussions on my relations with Italy, if it means Austria
takes
> back Trieste.
I NEED your support into Bud more than Roberto needs your support in
Tri. Alb S Tri holds Tri perfectly well.
> Anyway, I hope you can understand my position regarding Smy. I'm hopeful
> we can work out some other solution that still gives you the builds you
need.
I fear that my proposal is the only one that gives us each a build with
a good
shot at two for me. It also moves Ion west which is important to contain
England.
If you feel you'll need to stab Italy soon, though, I can understand why you
wouldn't move out of Smy.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from Turkey to Russia
Nick,
> I understand your hesitation. My proposal was merely the only way I
> could see to guarantee each of us a build. I would not mind seeing both
> of us build two, and Roberto build zero, though.
Thanks for understanding. I do agree that your proposal was the best way for
I/R/T to all come out ahead. I'm just not willing to give up regaining Smy
this turn if I can. However that doesn't mean we can't still guarantee you
Budapest.
> I NEED your support into Bud more than Roberto needs your support in
> Tri. Alb S Tri holds Tri perfectly well.
I'm not sure what Italy has planned for Alb, but I suspect he wants to use it
to ensure Greece. In any case, yes, your need is greater than Italy's. I'm
therefore willing to order Ser S Gal-Bud, and have done so. Austria is
telling me he's ordering Bud S Vie-Tri, so hopefully Tri will be safe and
Italy will forgive my indiscretion.
What I have not yet decided is whether to go along with Austria or Italy
concerning Greece. If the former, then I should be able to keep Gre; if the
latter, then I'll either move out or will be destroyed there. It's a tough
call, and I welcome your input on the matter.
> I fear that my proposal is the only one that gives us each a build with
> a good
> shot at two for me. It also moves Ion west which is important to contain
> England.
> If you feel you'll need to stab Italy soon, though, I can understand why you
> wouldn't move out of Smy.
It sounds like the best move on my part is to support you to Bud, but vacate
Gre to allow Ion-Gre, EMS-Ion. Is this your consensus as well?
Regards,
Ali
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali,
>I'm not sure what Italy has planned for Alb, but I suspect
>he wants to use it to ensure Greece.
I'll have to write to him again, and try to explain why
I think Ion-Tun is necessary this turn.
>I'm willing to order Ser S Gal-Bud, and have done so.
Thank you.
>Austria is telling me he's ordering Bud S Vie-Tri, so
>hopefully Tri will be safe and Italy will forgive my
>indiscretion.
Bud S Vie-Tri, Ukr-Rum would be ideal.
>It sounds like the best move on my part is to support you
>to Bud,
Yes. 8-)
>but vacate Gre to allow Ion-Gre, EMS-Ion. Is this your
>consensus as well?
I'm not sure that you can vacate Gre, unless Austria
takes Sev instead of trying for Rum. You have to defend
against Aeg-Con, so Smy S Bla-Con, or Bla-Con, Smy HOLD
makes the most sense, I think. That leaves, Bul-Rum,
Gre-Bul as the only way to vacate Gre, and that bounces
off almost any Austrian move except Ukr-Sev/Mos, Aeg-Con.
Politically it's probably wise to try Gre-Bul, though.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
Have you made a decision regarding F Ion, yet? I'm
concerned about Ivy ordering MAO-NAf, Iri S NAO-MAO to
negate TyS-WMed.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from Turkey to Italy and Russia
Gentlemen,
I have a new proposal to put on the table. Austria is now telling me he's
ordering Bud S Vie-Tri, and is expecting Ser S Vie-Tri. I believe there is a
good chance that he will indeed order this way. In that case, the best
outcome for all three of us would be Ser S Tri, Tri S Gal-Vie. This would
give Russia a build, two if Austria attacks Rum. If he does, then he will be
down to 1 unit by the end of this turn.
There is always the possibility that Austria is lying to me about his
intentions, but I have made every effort to convince him I will support him to
get back at Italy for the leponto, and he is clearly requesting support for
Vie-Tri. So, I feel this combination has a lot of promise.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Ali
Message from Turkey to Russia
Nick,
Since you didn't reply regarding the Vie attack, I assume you're not excited
about it. My gut feeling is that it would work, but ultimately I'll go with
whatever you think. The advantage for me, of course, is that it wouldn't piss
Italy off, while still getting you the build against Austria.
In any case, my order for Serbia is still to support Gal-Bud. I'll be
checking my mail frequently, so just let me know what you want me to do.
Ali
Message from Master to all
Just a reminder: please submit moves today. We have another extension
coming up and I'd like to get in the moves, retreats, and builds if
we can before his return.
Doug
PS: which player was it? Could the departing power please remind me?
Message from Russia to Turkey
>Message from Turkey to Russia in 'titleist':
>Since you didn't reply regarding the Vie attack, I assume you're not
>excited about it.
Actually, I'm at work, and checking dip mail on
the web when I have a free minute. I just got your
Vie proposal. I'll respond to it in a minute.
Nick.
Message from Russia to Italy and Turkey
>Message from Turkey to Russia and Italy in 'titleist':
>
>I have a new proposal to put on the table. Austria is now telling me he's
>ordering Bud S Vie-Tri, and is expecting Ser S Vie-Tri. I believe there is
>a good chance that he will indeed order this way.
Given Smy-Alb, Tyl-Tri, Rum-Ser, Austria has little
reason to suspect discord between you and Italy, so I'd
expect him to lie to you, and order Vie S Bud, Bud S Vie.
If you do order Ser S Vie-Tri, he still gets the benefit
of IT discord without risking the loss of Bud.
>the best outcome for all three of us would be Ser S Tri, Tri S Gal-Vie.
Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud would be just as effective against
Bud S Vie-Tri, since my attack cuts his support, and it
also works against Bud S Vie S Bud.
>I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
I'd say we should stick with Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud.
Roberto, what do you think?
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from Italy to Russia and Turkey
> Given Smy-Alb, Tyl-Tri, Rum-Ser, Austria has little
> reason to suspect discord between you and Italy, so I'd
> expect him to lie to you, and order Vie S Bud, Bud S Vie.
> If you do order Ser S Vie-Tri, he still gets the benefit
> of IT discord without risking the loss of Bud.
I would tend to agree with the above statement. Austria is probably lying
to both of you this phase in hopes of creating some kind of discord.
Whether he'll order mutual supports is open for debate. He's not a passive
player. I would expect him to make a play for either WAR/MOS/SEV with
Ukraine, use VIE/BUD in some form against TRI, and what he does with AEG is
anybody's guess.
> I'd say we should stick with Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud.
>
Trieste has been so ordered.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Russia
Nick,
> > I'd say we should stick with Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud.
> >
>
> Trieste has been so ordered.
Rather tactful of Roberto, eh? He comes off smelling like a rose, without
actually talking about Serbia.
In any case, I've left my orders unchanged. Whatever Austria does, you'll be
in Bud this fall.
Regards,
Ali
Message from Russia to Turkey
>Message from Turkey to Russia in 'titleist':
> > > I'd say we should stick with Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud.
> > Trieste has been so ordered.
>
>He comes off smelling like a rose, without
>actually talking about Serbia.
>
>In any case, I've left my orders unchanged.
He didn't reply to my letter to him regarding
Ion, either, so unless he's written to you, I'd
guess that means Alb S Ion-Gre, EMed-Ion. I don't
see a way to defend Gre, Rum and Con, while holding
Smy.
Nick.
Austria: Fleet Aegean Sea → Greece (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Vienna → Trieste (*cut*)
Austria: Army Ukraine → Sevastopol
Austria: Army Vienna → Trieste (*bounce*)
England: Army Belgium SUPPORT German Army Munich → Burgundy
England: Fleet Irish Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet London → North Sea
England: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean SUPPORT Fleet Irish Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Brest → English Channel (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Belgium (*bounce, dislodged*)
France: Army Gascony → Spain (*bounce*)
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT Army Burgundy → Belgium
France: Fleet Portugal → Spain (south coast) (*bounce*)
Germany: Fleet Baltic Sea → Livonia
Germany: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Austrian Army Budapest → Galicia (*void*)
Germany: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia SUPPORT Russian Fleet Livonia → St Petersburg (south coast)
Germany: Army Munich → Burgundy
Germany: Army Prussia → Warsaw (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT English Army Belgium
Italy: Army Albania SUPPORT Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Ionian Sea
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece
Italy: Army Trieste SUPPORT Russian Army Galicia → Budapest (*cut*)
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea → Western Mediterranean
Russia: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Livonia → St Petersburg (south coast)
Russia: Army Warsaw HOLD
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea → Constantinople (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Rumania
Turkey: Army Greece → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Serbia SUPPORT Italian Army Trieste
Turkey: Army Smyrna → Constantinople (*bounce*)
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