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Message from France to Russia
Nick:
So what will you do? It seems like you have to cover
Moscow and Warsaw, so going for Sevastopol this year is
probably not wise. Especially since Turkey may get
bounced out of Rumania and remain in Sevastopol. For
what it is worth, I suggest that you order Ukr to Mos s
by War. Next Spring order War to Liv s by Mos. In the
fall, cover War from Livonia and take Sev from Mos.
You could also go for Silesia next spring! :-)
Are you going to take Sweden or St. Petes? I just
realized that England can support you to either. Taking
St. Petes does not allow you to support yourself to
Moscow. I would recommend your going for Sweden. It
allows you to help England to Denmark next year.
Let's continue to work together and keep in touch.
--Prince Boar
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
Let's go with Nor supp Fin->Swe this fall. That leaves the German fleet
isolated and harmless in StP, where we can pick it up next year. Nwg->Bar
should make this easy. Doing it this way also puts pressure on Denmark,
where you should be able to help me next year.
I think this is best, because it keeps the German forces widely separated
and more vulnerable. Next year is going to be very bad for him.
Comments?
Ivy
Message from Russia to Turkey
My thanks for attempting to vacate Sevastopol. Do you plan to support
yourself into Rum this Fall? I imagine Roberto will have to cover Ven, and
he'll probably order Bud-Tri, Ser-Tri as well, to prevent Tyl-Tri, so Tyl S
Gal-Vie might be worth suggesting to Fredd. Please let me know if he
asks for, or offers support into Mos. I realize that such an attack might
be
tempting, but since the West has shifted to EF vs. G., it's not in your best
interest to side with Germany at this point.
Nick.
Press to G
Fredd,
Well, you got StP. I hope it was worth losing Swe this year, and Den
and/or Hol next year.
Nick.
Message from Russia to Germany
Fredd,
Well, you got StP. I hope it was worth losing Swe this year, and Den
and/or Hol next year.
Nick.
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> Let's go with Nor supp Fin->Swe this fall. That leaves the German fleet
> isolated and harmless in StP, where we can pick it up next year.
Agreed.
> Nwg->Bar should make this easy. Doing it this way also puts pressure
> on Denmark, where you should be able to help me next year.
I'd suggest Nwg S Eng-Nth, instead. I'll order War S Ukr-Mos this
Fall, and War-Lvn, Nwy S Mos-StP will take StP next Spring, while
Swe S Nth-Den takes Den. Germany is unlikely to order Den-Nth this
Fall, but Nwg S Eng-Nth seems the safer course.
> I think this is best, because it keeps the German forces widely separated
> and more vulnerable. Next year is going to be very bad for him.
That was my thinking. Hopefully the Bolsheviks will agree with us.
Nick.
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
>So what will you do?
I asked Turkey what he plans to do, but I expect
I will cover Mos, and take Swe.
>You could also go for Silesia next spring! :-)
I actually was toying with War-Sil this Fall,
just to panic Fredd, but I'm not sure it's worth
it.
>Are you going to take Sweden or St. Petes? I just
>realized that England can support you to either.
Hmmm, I hadn't considered that, but Swe makes
more sense, I think, it leaves Germany with two Units
out of position defending StP while EF&R overrun
Germany. Next year Fredd will end up disbanding his
Units in Russia, and I'll reclaim StP then. My only
concern is Lvn S Sev-Mos, but given that that would
just bounce off War S Ukr-Mos, it seems unlikely.
>Let's continue to work together and keep in touch.
You might want to consider sending a Fleet into
the Med to force Roberto to fully defend his holdings,
and slow his expansion. I'll recommend Nwg S Ech-Nth
to Ivy for this Fall.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Germany to Russia
> Well, you got StP. I hope it was worth losing Swe this year,
> and Den and/or Hol next year.
Actually I'm not worried about SWE. To lose that either Ivy or you would
have to support the other in. I can't imagine that you'll support Ivy
in. Nor do I see Ivy giving you a build.
I noticed that Turkey tried to vacate SEV. Too bad all of your units
tried to move north. You could have picked up SEV and had three armies
working to contain Italy. That would have been a task that everyone
would have left you alone to do, or supported your efforts. As it is
you're just in the way. I don't see that you have any friends right
now. What good are you to Turkey? None. Me? None. England? If
you'll support him to Sweden you'll be of use. Unfortunately that'll
give Ivy a build with which he can guard against French agression while
he takes out STP. It's unlikely that England will attack me. If he
does Italy will win the game. It's that simple.
Fredd
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>> Nwg->Bar should make this easy.
> I'd suggest Nwg S Eng-Nth, instead.
Oops, I had Nwg doing two things at once. Yes Nwg s Eng-Nth is best.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
Is Fredd playing the same game we are?
> Message from Germany to Russia in 'titleist':
>
> > Well, you got StP. I hope it was worth losing Swe this year,
> > and Den and/or Hol next year.
>
> Actually I'm not worried about SWE. To lose that either Ivy or you would
> have to support the other in. I can't imagine that you'll support Ivy
> in. Nor do I see Ivy giving you a build.
>
> I noticed that Turkey tried to vacate SEV. Too bad all of your units
> tried to move north. You could have picked up SEV and had three armies
> working to contain Italy. That would have been a task that everyone
> would have left you alone to do, or supported your efforts. As it is
> you're just in the way. I don't see that you have any friends right
> now. What good are you to Turkey? None. Me? None. England? If
> you'll support him to Sweden you'll be of use. Unfortunately that'll
> give Ivy a build with which he can guard against French agression while
> he takes out STP. It's unlikely that England will attack me. If he
> does Italy will win the game. It's that simple.
>
> Fredd
Roberto is a problem, but even if Turkey collapses, that only gives him 15,
and no clear path to three more. I don't see Turkey collapsing in a big
hurry, anyway. Sweden this Fall, Den and StP next Spring, and probably
one or two of Hol/Kie/Mun next Fall, and Germany should be gone by the
end of '07.
Nick.
Message from Russia to England
Fredd,
> Actually I'm not worried about SWE. To lose that either Ivy or you
> would have to support the other in. I can't imagine that you'll support
> Ivy in. Nor do I see Ivy giving you a build.
Perhaps, or perhaps not. Given:
Germany: Army Holland -> Belgium. (*bounce*)
Germany: Fleet Denmark -> North Sea. (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Holland -> Belgium.
Ivy has no reason to let you build, so if he doesn't support me into Swe,
he'll certainly support me back into StP.
> I noticed that Turkey tried to vacate SEV. Too bad all of your units
> tried to move north. You could have picked up SEV and had three
> armies working to contain Italy.
Not with you ordering Lvn-Mos, GoB-Swe, I'd have been forced to
disband one, even if I picked up Sev.
> That would have been a task that everyone would have left you alone
> to do, or supported your efforts.
The minute you get out of Russia, I'll turn on Italy, but defending the
Motherland takes priority over giving support to Turkey.
> It's unlikely that England will attack me.
Right. Check your Spring moves again, and explain why Ivy won't
attack you. You're history, but you just haven't realized it, yet.
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Russia to Germany
Fredd,
> Actually I'm not worried about SWE. To lose that either Ivy or you
> would have to support the other in. I can't imagine that you'll support
> Ivy in. Nor do I see Ivy giving you a build.
Perhaps, or perhaps not. Given:
Germany: Army Holland -> Belgium. (*bounce*)
Germany: Fleet Denmark -> North Sea. (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Holland -> Belgium.
Ivy has no reason to let you build, so if he doesn't support me into Swe,
he'll certainly support me back into StP.
> I noticed that Turkey tried to vacate SEV. Too bad all of your units
> tried to move north. You could have picked up SEV and had three
> armies working to contain Italy.
Not with you ordering Lvn-Mos, GoB-Swe, I'd have been forced to
disband one, even if I picked up Sev.
> That would have been a task that everyone would have left you alone
> to do, or supported your efforts.
The minute you get out of Russia, I'll turn on Italy, but defending the
Motherland takes priority over giving support to Turkey.
> It's unlikely that England will attack me.
Right. Check your Spring moves again, and explain why Ivy won't
attack you. You're history, but you just haven't realized it, yet.
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Russia to England
Whoops, obviously that last message was intended for Germany. I
re-addressed
it and sent it out again. Sorry about that.
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
> Is Fredd playing the same game we are?
Yes, but his message to you was not one of his most convincing efforts, was it?
>Roberto is a problem, but even if Turkey collapses, that only gives him 15,
>and no clear path to three more.
It's much worse than that. The problem is that with only 13 he can form a
stalemate line. Furthermore, once he gets 10 or 11, he cannot be prevented
from getting 13. Once Italy gets his stalemate line, he can sit back
smugly.
I really believe that France needs to send a couple of fleets to the Med
immediately, but given our history it is difficult for me to suggest that
too strongly to him. Please ask him to move in that direction. He is safe
from me. There are no French moves so bad that I could take advantage of
him and still have time to stop Italy.
> Sweden this Fall, Den and StP next Spring, and probably
>one or two of Hol/Kie/Mun next Fall, and Germany should be gone by the
>end of '07.
I agree that the three of us need to hit him with all we got and turn on
Italy. Germany has 6 units. Perhaps the three of us can each gain two out
of this.
Something else is important for me to say. I am perfectly capable of
sitting on my hands after Germany is dead, if I don't have direct access to
Italy. Italy must be stopped, and I will not be nipping at your heels
while you stop him. What I will ask is that we adjust our mutual strength
in a reasonable fashion if you are feasting on Italy. We can sort this out
as we go. Let's just hit Germany hard now.
And yes, Norway is supporting Fin->Swe.
Ivy
Message from Germany to Russia
> Right. Check your Spring moves again, and explain why Ivy won't
> attack you. You're history, but you just haven't realized it, yet.
Oddly enough I think that you're history. I would who is right.
Oh yeah. You would have had to disband that fleet. Which was half my
point.
Message from Russia to England
> >Roberto is a problem, but even if Turkey collapses, that only gives him
15,
> >and no clear path to three more.
>
> It's much worse than that. The problem is that with only 13 he can form a
> stalemate line. Furthermore, once he gets 10 or 11, he cannot be
prevented
> from getting 13. Once Italy gets his stalemate line, he can sit back
> smugly.
I don't think so. The odds are that I'll retake Sev, so the best Italy
can end
up with is 14, and let's assume that I hold Russia and Swe for 5, so that
leaves
16 Centers in the West, and the Title to you or France if you eliminate the
other
guy. This isn't a game where sitting behind a stalemate line is a winning
strategy.
> I really believe that France needs to send a couple of fleets to the Med
> immediately, but given our history it is difficult for me to suggest that
> too strongly to him. Please ask him to move in that direction. He is
safe
> from me. There are no French moves so bad that I could take advantage of
> him and still have time to stop Italy.
I already suggested that to him in my reply to his Post-S1905M letter.
Given
Eng-Nth, Iri-???, this Fall, I'd say he's likely to send a Fleet or two to
Turkey's
defense. I'll discuss it with him further, once he responds to my letter.
Nick.
Message from Russia to Germany
> Message from Germany to Russia in 'titleist':
>
> > Right. Check your Spring moves again, and explain why Ivy won't
> > attack you. You're history, but you just haven't realized it, yet.
>
> Oddly enough I think that you're history.
I've been history since Turkey failed to support me into Bud in '03,
if not before, but I'll lay you odds that you're eliminated before I am.
> Oh yeah. You would have had to disband that fleet. Which was half my
> point.
I would have had to disband the Fleet, and not been able to build that
third
Army you feel I so desparately need to attack Italy. Plus, it's doubtful
even now
that Turkey will be able to vacate Sev, so I could have easily ended up with
only
one Unit/Center. I offered you three different ways for us to disengage,
and you
refused them all, because you wanted me to commit suicide by throwing myself
at Italy while you took my Centers. I don't think you even had half a
point.
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
> Once Italy gets his stalemate line, he can sit back smugly.
>
>> I don't think so. The odds are that I'll retake Sev, so the best Italy
>>can end up with is 14, and let's assume that I hold Russia and Swe for 5,
>>so that
>>leaves 16 Centers in the West, and the Title to you or France if you
>>eliminate the
>>other guy. This isn't a game where sitting behind a stalemate line is a
>>winning
>>strategy.
But if the three of us are fighting while Italy sits on 13 or 14 with his
stalemate line, one of us will eventually throw the game to Italy. He is
in a fantastic position if he is permitted to conquer Turkey.
Turkey is desperate. He has two hopes that he is working on (that I know
of), French fleets or German armies. There is consideration of supporting
Germany into either Warsaw or Moscow. Neither you nor I want that. Both
you and I want Turkey's rescue to be with French fleets (now) and Russian
armies (soon). Talk to France. Talk to Turkey. Diplomacy is very
important now.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
>Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
>Italy is in a fantastic position if he is permitted to conquer Turkey.
Agreed, but conquering Turkey is not a trivial
task, by any means, especially when the pressure is
coming from only one direction.
>Turkey is desperate. He has two hopes that he is working on (that I know
>of), French fleets or German armies. There is consideration of supporting
>Germany into either Warsaw or Moscow.
Please make it clear to Ali that Germany is
losing a Center this year, and two or three next
year. That makes Fredd much less attractive as a
Turkish savior.
>Talk to France. Talk to Turkey.
I am, and have been, and will continue to do so.
>Diplomacy is very important now.
When you're a three Center Russia, diplomacy is
always very important. 8-)
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali, My Friend,
If you have any influence with Fredd, I urge you
to convince him to abandon his ill-conceived attack on
Russia. (I do realize, though, that altering his
course is a near impossibility. His world-view is so
narrow that there seems to be no room for diverging
opinions.) England is moving Eng-Nth this Fall, and
supporting me into Swe, so I'm encouraging France to
send a Fleet or two into the Med. Next year I'll
support England into Den while he supports me back
into StP, and EF take Mun and/or Hol, so if you've
been considering supporting Fredd into Mos or War, I
urge you to reconsider, and to instead urge him to
move Lvn-Pru. Hell, if he moves out of StP, I'll
build an Army and send it south to reinforce your
position. Fredd claims he's motivated by concern
about Italy's solo potential, but if that were true,
he would have pulled out of Russia, so that I could
turn south. Instead he attacked StP and Mos, forcing
me to focus on the North. Please do not be deceived
by his claims that he has your best interest at heart.
His primary concern has been and remains, his own
growth.
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>Please make it clear to Ali that Germany is
>losing a Center this year,
The best we can hope for is that Germany breaks even. He gains StP, while
losing Sweden. We have to hope that his units in Livonia and Tyrolia will
not be supported into a supply center by Turkey.
> When you're a three Center Russia, diplomacy is
>always very important. 8-)
If all this works out, Germany will be gone and you will be comparable to
EFI&T in strength. Then we can play musical chairs yet again.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
>Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
> >Please make it clear to Ali that Germany is
> >losing a Center this year,
>
>The best we can hope for is that Germany breaks even.
Well, yes, but if you tell Ali that you're supporting
me into Swe this year, and we're taking Den, StP, plus Hol
and/or Mun next year, he has much less reason to support
Fredd into Mos/War/Vie.
>We have to hope that his units in Livonia and Tyrolia will
>not be supported into a supply center by Turkey.
I don't know that Ali has much motive to let Germany
grow while he's losing Centers himself, even if it does
keep Italy from growing. It doesn't improve Turkey's
long-term prospects at all. I certainly saw no reason to
do it.
> > When you're a three Center Russia, diplomacy is
> >always very important. 8-)
>
>If all this works out, Germany will be gone and you will be comparable to
>EFI&T in strength. Then we can play musical chairs yet again.
Yup, that's the goal. I won't, in all likelihood,
be remembered as the first Vermont Group Full Press
Champion, but hopefully people who read about 'titleist'
in the Showcase section of the Pouch will see that it's
possible to fight/negotiate your way out of a severely
precarious position where resigning or phoning in
your remaining moves might seem like the thing to do.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Russia to France
Xavier, My Friend,
> >Let's continue to work together and keep in touch.
Ivy is supporting Fin-Swe, and Eng-Nth this Fall.
Have you heard from Ali? I'm concerned that he might
support Germany into Mos, War or Vie, or that Fredd
might support Sev-Mos, or Gal-War. Please let Ali
know that EFR vs. G is for real, and suggest that he
insist on Tyl S Gal-Vie to compensate for the loss of
Bud. If you could tell him that you're sending a
Fleet East to help, and you need me around to balance
England, that would help to. Please let me know what
you're hearing.
Thanks,
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>Please let Ali
>know that EFR vs. G is for real
I have already done so. I did stress the importance of
his not helping Germany. He stated that he will not do
so. I think it reasonable that if he wants me to put
pressure on Italy, that he cannot be helping Germany
grow.
Turkey assure me that he will not help Germany.
I do think that you should let him keep Sev for this year
as it is not worth the risk of losing Mos or War. We do
not want Germany to get a build! Neither of us, EFR will
net anything from Germany, but we will gain positionally
on him, which is more important. We do not want him to
net any centers, that could be a royal pain in the
behind.
--Xavier
Message from Turkey to Russia
Nick,
Time is short, so I must be brief. Germany has requested support of Lvn-War,
which I have declined. I did suggest to Germany last turn that I would
support him to Vie if he moved to Tyr, but that would be counter-productive of
me. I will not be supporting Germany in any way. I sincerely hope that you
and England will coordinate as effectively as possible for both your benefits.
Of immediate interest, my best bet to get Sev-Rum is to support from Gal &
Bul, but both supports can be cut. Rather than try and force Sev-Rum, then
disband Gal, I'm wondering about Sev S Gal-Rum, then disbanding Sev. It is
very important to me that I not do anything to further damage my relations
with Russia, so if this does not meet your approval please let me know, and
I'll order Gal S Sev-Rum.
Looking forward to your reply,
Ali
Message from Russia to France and Turkey
>Message from France to Russia in 'titleist':
>Turkey assure me that he will not help Germany.
That's good, I wonder why I haven't heard from
him?
>I do think that you should let him keep Sev for this year
>as it is not worth the risk of losing Mos or War. We do
>not want Germany to get a build!
Thoughts of taking Sev this year stopped when
Fredd ordered Lvn-Mos, rather than Lvn-StP. I'll
retake StP before I even consider taking Sev, and
I'll only do it then if we can get Turkey Bud, Vie
or Tri in exchange.
Nick.
Message from Italy to Russia
If you're interested, Budapest and Serbia might be talked into supporting
Ukraine to Rumania.
Roberto
Message from Turkey to England, France, and Russia
Gentlemen,
I'm writing to confirm what I've told each of you privately: I will not
support Germany, and I strongly urge cooperation between the three of you to
change the direction of the game. I am hopeful that I can mend my fences with
Russia, and make up for my past transgressions.
Regards,
Ali
Message from Turkey to France and Russia
Gents,
> That's good, I wonder why I haven't heard from
> him?
My apologies for this. I wasn't able to get time over the weekend to diplome
(this is often the case for me). Today, I find myself busier than usual and
again had difficulty sending press. So, I wasn't able to write everyone at
the same time as I usually try to do.
In any case, I will behave. I am greatly in favor of FERT cooperation, and I
will not do anything to disrupt progress in that direction.
In haste,
Ali
Message from Russia to Turkey
>Message from Turkey to Russia in 'titleist':
>
>I will not be supporting Germany in any way. I
>sincerely hope that you and England will coordinate
>as effectively as possible for both your benefits.
Good, glad to hear it. Ivy and I are in agreement
for the next three turns, though only time will tell
if he's telling the truth. I believe he is, though,
it's in his best interest.
>I'm wondering about Sev S Gal-Rum, then disbanding Sev
As long as Sev and Gal don't attack or support
attacks on Mos and War, nothing you do will displease
me. Do whatever you think gives you the best chance
against Italy. I have to spend next year attacking
Germany, but I have encouraged France to move a Fleet
or Fleets into the Med this Fall to ease Italy's
pressure on you.
Nick.
Message from Russia to Italy
>Message from Italy to Russia in 'titleist':
>
>If you're interested, Budapest and Serbia might be talked into supporting
>Ukraine to Rumania.
It's interesting, but I fear I have to deal
with the German presence in StP first. Maybe next
year.
In Haste,
Nick.
Message from Master to all
I'm back and I see everything went smoothly in my absence. Maybe
I should take more golf vacations . . .
Doug
Message from Master to all
S1905R processed on Saturday; this is a -MTWTF- 48 hour game; I thought
that would put the next deadline on Tuesday night. I guess not though;
Monday night deadlines are allowed and it is 48 hours after the last
deadline, so it passed through.
How would I set deadlines such that a deadline would fall on a Monday
only if the previous moves processed Thursday or earlier? IOW, so that
every movement deadline followed at least two full weekdays . . .
Anyway, I'm moving *this* deadline to tomorrow night.
Doug
Message from Turkey to Russia
Nick,
> Good, glad to hear it. Ivy and I are in agreement
> for the next three turns, though only time will tell
> if he's telling the truth. I believe he is, though,
> it's in his best interest.
I believe so as well. I've been encouraging Ivy for some time to cooperate
with you against Germany. I take it the deal is that you'll take Swe this
year, then you support him to Den while he supports you to StP. I strongly
encourage this plan, and I will encourage it to Ivy as well.
> As long as Sev and Gal don't attack or support
> attacks on Mos and War, nothing you do will displease
> me.
In that case, you will be pleased with my orders. I will certainly not do
anything that affects either Mos or War.
Regards,
Ali
Message from Turkey to England, France, and Russia
Gents,
I'd like some input if you have the time. I have been considering Gal/Bul S
Sev-Rum, but Italy could defeat that and take Rum. I can't use Bla, since
that would risk losing Bul. A stronger defense of Rum would be Sev S
Gal-Rum, but that could well remove my army from Gal. On the other hand, I
had also been considering Gal as my likely disband choice this year.
However, I am reluctant to give up the tactical advantages of having an army
in Gal.
Either way, my orders will not be in any way anti-Russian; I will not
attack, nor support attack against, War or Mos.
I realize the burden of defending my country falls to me. However, I very
much hope that the next few years will see greater cooperation between the
four of us, and I definitely want my actions to be consistent with such
cooperation. So, if you have any thoughts, requests or suggestions, they
would be most welcome.
Regards,
Ali
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali,
> Message from Turkey to Russia, England and France in 'titleist':
> if you have any thoughts, requests or suggestions, they
> would be most welcome.
Roberto offered to support Ukr-Rum, so he may be more
concerned about GA Tyl, than about pressing the attack against
you. If I had to defend Bul and Rum, however, I would order:
Smy - Aeg (Aeg-Bul/SC seems unlikely.)
Ank-Smy (Just in case. 8-)
Con S Bul
Bul S Sev-Rum
Bla S Sev-Rum
Gal -Bud (Bud-Rum seem VERY unlikely, so you might
as well cut support.)
(This is just the approach I would take, I'm not saying it's
better than yours, or any more likely to succeed, or that I'll be
offended if you do something else.)
(Well, I'll be offended if you do Sev-Mos, Gal-War, but you'd
expect that. ;-)
Nick.
Message from France to England and Russia
Ivy & Nick:
So, while Germany sorts through his "many" offers and
makes us all "wait" for him to decide what he will do, I
thought that I would write to you and say hello. :-)
He has continually done this, made it clear that *he* is
the one deciding what will occur and that he has many
options. In past seasons, I had to patiently wait and
hope to get him to discuss siding with me - which in the
end never were completed. This season, I have the luxury
of just smiling and not worrying about him.
A quote that basically sums up his attitude, "I haven't
agreed with anyone on anything yet." I will not repeat
the unfriendly things that he said about you two. I am
sure that he says similar things to you about me.
Is it bad to look forward to seeing him crushed between
us?
--Prince Boar
Message from France to England, Germany, Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Just to let you know that I will likely be unavailable
tonight. Any thing that you need to be work out with
France, please try to do before the standard workday
ends.
Merci,
France
Message from England to France and Russia
>So, while Germany sorts through his "many" offers and
>makes us all "wait" for him to decide what he will do, I
>thought that I would write to you and say hello. :-)
I have had to write back and forth to Germany, pretending to consider his
offers. Since I cannot support myself into the North Sea, my goal is to
get him to try to bounce Finland away from Sweden instead of successfully
bouncing me in the North Sea. Germany is (or is pretending) to offer me
Sweden. His goal is probably to get ME to bounce Finland.
Ivy
Message from England to France, Russia, and Turkey
To Ali:
>I'd like some input if you have the time. I have been considering Gal/Bul S
>Sev-Rum, but Italy could defeat that and take Rum. I can't use Bla, since
>that would risk losing Bul. A stronger defense of Rum would be Sev S
>Gal-Rum, but that could well remove my army from Gal.
Sev s gal->rum is the move that insures no additional loses this
year. Risking Bulgaria or Rumania with one of the other moves could be
considered, provided guessing correctly might produce a significant change
in next year's result. But I don't see any upside. I think Italy gets
Romania next year no matter what happens this year, and the loss of Romania
or Bulgaria this year is a huge downside.
You can at least hope that Italy will not try Vie->Gal this turn because of
the German army in Tyrolia.
To the best of my knowledge help is on the way.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England and France
>Message from France to England and Russia in 'titleist':
>
>[Germany] has continually made it clear that *he* is the one deciding what
>will occur and that he has many options. A quote that basically sums up
>his attitude, "I haven't agreed with anyone on anything yet."
Perhaps Ivy has seen a different side of him,
since they were actually allied for a while, but I
noticed this, in my mind, unusual attitude, as well.
I have a reputation as a "determined" negotiator,
but that is because I look at a situation, and try
to find a solution that benefits both sides, and
I'm reluctant to change that solution if I see the
change as less effective. Fredd seems to decide
what he wants, and insist on that, regardless of
the fact that the person he's "negotiating" with
has other concerns that his "solution" doesn't
address. Ah well.
>Is it bad to look forward to seeing him crushed between us?
If it is, then I'm bad as well.
Nick.
Message from Russia to England and France
>Message from England to France and Russia in 'titleist':
>
>Since I cannot support myself into the North Sea, my goal is to get him to
>try to bounce Finland away from Sweden instead of successfully bouncing me
>in the North Sea.
Ummm, why can't you support yourself into Nth?
Nick.
Message from France to England and Russia
Nick:
CC: Ivy
>Ummm, why can't you support yourself into Nth?
He can, if he chooses to give up other options. In the
far west hear, we have given higher priority to those
other options. But things will continue to be discussed
until later this evening. (I may have limited time this
evening afterall.)
Xavier
Message from Russia to England and France
>Message from France to Russia and England in 'titleist':
>
> >Ummm, why can't you support yourself into Nth?
>He can, if he chooses to give up other options. In the
>far west hear, we have given higher priority to those
>other options. But things will continue to be discussed until later this
>evening.
I actually concluded that the two of you had
decided to do something else with F Eng and/or
F Nwg. Given that Ivy mentioned Nwg-Bar at one
point, however, and then rejected it in favor of
Nwg S Eng-Nth, I wanted to find out what had
changed, and make sure Nwg-Bar wasn't back on the
table. You don't really think I'd leak your plans
to Fredd, do you?
Nick.
Message from France to England and Russia
Nick:
>You don't really think I'd leak your plans
>to Fredd, do you?
No.
But at the same time, I try to be sensitive about not
revealing someone else's plans (England's), without their
permission.
Although I think that we can trust each other, it buys us
nothing to reveal plans near the North Sea and Moscow.
So let's keep some suspense and surprise! :-)
Best of luck. I look forward to seeing what happens.
--Xavier
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
There was no major secret about what the Channel was doing. It was going
to support Belgium, so that Picardy could go for Burgundy. Now France and
I are thinking of something very tricky on the French border that may
change the Channel's assignment.
Anyway, Nwg->Nth is a given.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
>Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
>
>Anyway, Nwg->Nth is a given.
I imagined as much, but felt it wouldn't hurt
to confirm.
Message from Russia to all
Like much of the rest of the country, my
workplace is shutting down in response to the
reported terrorist attacks in New York and
Washington D.C. I'll be back online once I
get out of town, and back home. (Nick shakes
his head, "The chances of a terrorist targeting
the town I work in, let alone the building I
work in, is exactly zero, but I suppose that
since everyone is watching TV and listening to
the radio, rather than working, it makes a
certain amount of sense.)
Message from Italy to all
We are taking a break. I cannot give you a timeline of when I will be back
online. There are no words to describe the events of today.
Message from Master to all
Agreed. I've moved the deadline way out and set wait; we'll talk about
resuming this game at some time in the future. I have a brother who on
occasion has to work at the Pentagon and I'm not interested in doing
anything until I hear from him.
Doug
Message from Turkey to all
I cannot begin to describe the mortification, grief and fury that course
through me on this blackest of days. I, too, will unavailable until further
notice.
Message from Russia to all
I Wrote >
> I'll be back online once I get out of town, and back home.
In the unlikely event that anyone was even remotely concerned
about my safety based on my last message, don't be. I'm home,
and fine.
Russia.
Message from England to all
I am willing to
a) resume "titleist" anytime, whether it be now, a week from now, a month
from now, ... whatever.
b) terminate the game if someone is so personally affected that continuing
would be inappropriate.
Ivy
Message from Germany to all
My suggestion would be to just leave this alone through the coming
weekend. Then set a deadline of Wed midnight for the next moves.
Fredd
Message from France to all
I agree with the German proposal. Next week seems like
an appropriate time to start thinking about a game again.
It may be nice to have a friendly diversion from all
these troubles. However, I think that we may want to
slow things down for a little while, perhaps adjusting
the deadlines to 72 hours, as we will all be distracted.
However, if Doug, or any single person is not ready to
start, for any reason. Then I am willing to allow them
an unquestioned veto for the start date (for as long as
necessary).
May God, Buddha, or wherever we draw our religious or
philosophical strength watch over each of us.
--Prince Boar
Message from Master to all
I'll set the next deadline for the latest date that any player
requests, but will move to 72 hour deadlines only by unanimous
consent of all players (I'd still like to finish by December,
though, since the next full-press tournament should being in
early 2002 -- so I'd personally rather stay with 48 hours).
Please press to m with your opinion on both matters; all player
requests will be private.
Doug
Message from Russia to Master
>Broadcast message from masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master in 'titleist':
>
>I'll set the next deadline for the latest date that any player
>requests, but will move to 72 hour deadlines only by unanimous
>consent of all players (I'd still like to finish by December,
>though, since the next full-press tournament should being in
>early 2002 -- so I'd personally rather stay with 48 hours).
We were basically ready for the turn to process,
so I would think a deadline of Monday 9/17 @ 23:30
would be sufficient. I don't think an extension to
72 hour deadlines is necessary, but I don't object
to it.
Eric.
Message from France to all
I am not suggesting or even requesting a permanent
deadline change to 72 hours. I was suggesting that in
the first week or so after we continue, that we may want
to proceed slowly. I do not think that settings changes
are necessary.
Since, I am voting against changing the game to 72 hours,
there is no need for anyone else to vote. All I ask is
that we adjust the first few deadlines *if* it seems
appropriate.
Thanks,
France
Message from Turkey to all
I am ready to resume the game at any time. My orders for fall are confirmed.
Ali
Message from Russia to all
>Broadcast message from Turkey in 'titleist':
>
>I am ready to resume the game at any time. My orders for fall are
>confirmed.
My orders are in as well.
Nick.
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
Just to confirm, I've ordered Fin-Swe, expecting
Nwy S Fin-Swe, Nwg-Nth.
Nick.
Message from Turkey to Russia
Nick,
Just to confirm what you already know, I am acting purely defensively, and
will not trouble War or Mos.
Ali
Message from Master to all
I've set the deadline for F1905M to Thursday evening. If anyone would
like more time for this or the next few deadlines, let me know.
Doug
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>Just to confirm, I've ordered Fin-Swe, expecting
>Nwy S Fin-Swe, Nwg-Nth.
And that is what I will do.
Ivy
Message from England to all
We are starting again, apparently.
I haven't given any thought to "titleist" since we halted. It just doesn't
feel the same. The often used phrase, "it's just a game," never meant more
than it does now. So let's "play" and play well, knowing more than ever
that it is just recreation. Recreation still has its place.
Ivy
Message from France to all
I am available and ready to continue. I too am
struggling getting back into the game. I suppose that it
will improve with time. I apologize in advance if my
presentation and attention suffers for a while.
I may need a little more time before removing my set
wait. Negotiations were not complete last Tuesday when
it suddenly no longer matter.
--Prince Boar
Message from Master to all
Okay, let's try Friday night (tonight!) for a deadline.
Doug
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I hope that things are going well for you. I have not
talked to you since 9/11. I know that the game is realy
not too important and we have nothing to coordinate, but
I miss our discussions nonetheless. I wish you well and
reconfirm my committment to EFR against G. Let eliminate
the pain in our sides and then we can consider the
future. I hope that we each can make a strong recovery
and via for a strong finish. Someday soon we can more
actively work together whether it be against Germany,
England or Italy.
--Xavier
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
>I hope that things are going well for you. I have not
>talked to you since 9/11.
My family and I are fine. We were 100 miles from the
Pentagon, and not that close to NYC or western PA, so
it was frightening, but not dangerous for us.
>I miss our discussions nonetheless. I wish you well and
>reconfirm my commitment to EFR against G. Let eliminate
>the pain in our sides and then we can consider the
>future. I hope that we each can make a strong recovery
>and via for a strong finish. Someday soon we can more
>actively work together whether it be against Germany,
>England or Italy.
Yes, I felt we had reached our decisions by the 10th,
so I haven't written to anyone in any detail since then.
I'm sure once the turn finally processes things will
pick up again, though.
Nick.
Message [from France] to all
What is the story with the game? Is someone missing or is someone
expecting a deadline extension? If not, what are we waiting for?
Message from England to all
My moves have been in for a long, long time.
Ivy
Message from Russia to all
> Broadcast message from England in 'titleist':
>
> My moves have been in for a long, long time.
Mine have been in since, (checking records...) the night of 9/9.
Nick.
Message from France to England and Russia
Nick, Ivy:
I too have had my orders in for a long time.
I am almost certain that it is Germany who is holding things up. He is
likely holding the game up until he can talk Turkey into supporting his
attack on Russia. At least that was initially the reason the first day
or so. Someone may be late for some other reason. But I find
negotiating after the deadline and willfully holding the deadline to be
abhorrent tactics.
I am just blowing off a little frustration. I do not know what we can
do about it, just continue to be patient. I suppose in the coming
seasons we can do something about it.
--Prince Boar
Message from England to France and Russia
>I am almost certain that it is Germany who is holding things up.
Until a day or so ago two persons were late. Germany was one of them. I
had a message from him shortly after the deadline in which he indicated
some loss of motivation for "titleist," but he said he would make a good
effort. After that message, I expected him to submit moves rather quickly,
but that didn't happen. Now, however, only one person is late.
Italy is the only player I haven't heard from in ages.
Ivy
He is
>likely holding the game up until he can talk Turkey into supporting his
>attack on Russia. At least that was initially the reason the first day
>or so. Someone may be late for some other reason. But I find
>negotiating after the deadline and willfully holding the deadline to be
>abhorrent tactics.
>
>I am just blowing off a little frustration. I do not know what we can
>do about it, just continue to be patient. I suppose in the coming
>seasons we can do something about it.
>
>--Prince Boar
Message from France to England and Russia
Ivy,Nick:
>Italy is the only player I haven't heard from in ages.
I have heard from a couple times since the game was
halted. I did not get the impression that he was waiting
for anything? I only knew that Germany was waiting while
he tried to work on Turkey. But that a day or so after
the deadline. It has been a long time since then. One
would think that he would have accepted and moved on. I
guess that I should not "jump to the Island of
Conclusions" :-)
I wish that the game would reveal late players. I have
never liked that flag. Oh well, I guess that there is
nothing to talk about other than Football.
What about those Packers? Two and Oh! :-) After they
beat the Panthers that means that by default they know
they can beat the Vikings!
Hopefully the Steelers can beat up on the lowly Bills!
--Prince Boar
Message from Master to all
I've spoken with the late player. He's had some hectic issues to deal
with and has had to knock the priority of Diplomacy down a bit recently.
But he didn't ask for an extended break and said he would submit orders
by the end of the weekend.
The game is listed "Quiet", so I won't say who it was, nor will I confirm
or deny anything.
Doug
England: Army Belgium → English Channel → Picardy
England: Fleet English Channel CONVOY Army Belgium → Picardy
England: Fleet Irish Sea → North Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet Norway SUPPORT Russian Fleet Finland → Sweden
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → North Sea
France: Fleet Brest → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Picardy → Belgium
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Western Mediterranean
France: Army Picardy → Belgium
France: Fleet Portugal → Spain (south coast)
Germany: Fleet Denmark → Sweden (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Holland SUPPORT French Army Burgundy → Belgium (*void*)
Germany: Army Livonia → Warsaw (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr → Munich
Germany: Fleet St Petersburg (south coast) HOLD
Germany: Army Tyrolia → Trieste (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast) (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Budapest → Galicia (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Apulia
Italy: Army Serbia → Rumania (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Trieste → Tyrolia (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea HOLD
Italy: Army Vienna → Galicia (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Finland → Sweden
Russia: Army Ukraine → Moscow
Russia: Army Warsaw SUPPORT Army Ukraine → Moscow (*cut*)
Turkey: Army Ankara → Smyrna (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Sevastopol → Rumania (*cut*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Galicia SUPPORT Army Sevastopol → Rumania (*cut*)
Turkey: Army Sevastopol → Rumania (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna → Aegean Sea (*bounce*)
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