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Italy: Builds 2 units
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from England to all
Hats off to Austria, for he is one of us.
Most of the rest of us will be joining you in good time, my friend.
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
Congratulations on one small victory. StP still stands!
Here is what I think happened in the south. Tell me if this agrees with
what you know. Originally, Turkey was supposed to give you Sevastopol, and
he told me he was going to do this. At the last minute, Italy talked
Turkey into a deal. Turkey should keep Sevastopol and get Budapest in
addition. Italy was supposed to get Vienna and Spain. Yes Spain! Italy
brought me into the deal. I was supposed to vacate MAO voluntarily so that
Italy could walk into Spain. But Italy crossed everybody. He let France
keep Spain. Italy did help Turkey into Budapest, but only so that he could
get Serbia. The Ionian was supposed to go west against France, but instead
went to the Aegean. Tyrolia was supposed to go to Piedmont, but went to
Trieste.
Any consideration I might have had of attacking Germany disappeared when
Italy promised to attack France with two fleets and an army.
So, because of Italy, you do not have Sevastopol and I did not get Italian
help against France. Well, because of Italy and the gullibility of Turkey
and me.
Ivy Wingo
Message from Austria to all
> Most of the rest of us will be joining you in good time, my friend.
The Archduke fled the capital, and escaped in the confusion; from time to
time, I will pass on his messages and comments. At the moment, he is still
trying to familiarize himself with his new accomodations.
Miranda, for Austria-Hungary, by the Grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to Russia
> Goodbye, Ali. I'd like to say it was nice working with you,
> but since you never did work with me, I really can't.
>
Is there something I should/need to do to make sure I don't get a similar
letter in the future?
Taking on Turkey was a difficult decision to make. One that I made on my
own without expecting any assistance. It was now or never though. I fully
expect a long and drawn out fight.
I make no claim to further centers and would be interested in working with
you to split some Turkish centers. I realize that you have your hands full
with Germany and it might be best for you just to have Turkey and I fight
but if you are interested in support for an attack let me know.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> Congratulations on one small victory. StP still stands!
Yes, that is rather ironic. I assumed that Fredd would order
Sil-War, but figured that I should do everything possible to defend
StP for "political" reasons, and it actually worked. Of course, for
the second year in a row, the Turk has promised orders that would
give me a build, and then reneged.
> Here is what I think happened in the south. Turkey was supposed
> to give you Sevastopol, and he told me he was going to do this.
Yes. From the moment I proposed having the Turk destroy the
Austrian Army in Sev, the intention was to return it to Russian control.
Ali actually argued more strongly in favor of it, in fact.
> At the last minute, Italy talked Turkey into a deal. Turkey should
> keep Sevastopol and get Budapest in addition.
Well, the agreement called for me to get Sev, Turkey Bud, and
Italy Vie.
> Italy was supposed to get Vienna and Spain. Yes Spain! Italy
> brought me into the deal. I was supposed to vacate MAO voluntarily
> so that Italy could walk into Spain. But Italy crossed everybody. He
> let France keep Spain. Italy did help Turkey into Budapest, but only
> so that he could get Serbia. The Ionian was supposed to go west
> against France, but instead went to the Aegean. Tyrolia was
> supposed to go to Piedmont, but went to Trieste.
Interesting... That does explain why the Turk betrayed me again. I
have, of course, suspected that Italy was doing a masterful job of
manipulating Austria and the Turk, but this does confirm it. (Does
Roberto see me as that much of a threat? Flattering, but troublesome.)
> Any consideration I might have had of attacking Germany
> disappeared when Italy promised to attack France with two fleets
> and an army.
Understandable, but you still have the option of attacking Germany,
now, and it still seems like your best bet, to me. I can use my influence
with France to play up the Italian threat, (he is the leader, after all),
and
under a combined EFR attack, Germany should crumble.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
> > Goodbye, Ali. I'd like to say it was nice working with you,
> > but since you never did work with me, I really can't.
>
> Is there something I should/need to do to make sure I don't get a
> similar letter in the future?
Don't promise me growth in three years out of four, and renege
each time.
> Taking on Turkey was a difficult decision to make. One that I made
> on my own without expecting any assistance. It was now or never
> though. I fully expect a long and drawn out fight.
I would have preferred that you had taken a more pro-Russian
position with Ali, rather than suggesting that you take Spa and Vie,
while he took Bud and Sev, but my actions will continue to be based
on German moves next Spring, at least.
> I make no claim to further centers and would be interested in working with
> you to split some Turkish centers. I realize that you have your hands
full
> with Germany and it might be best for you just to have Turkey and I fight
> but if you are interested in support for an attack let me know.
The Western Triangle is in a complete state of flux at this point, and
as long as you remain neutral, it should take some time to resolve. I'm
hoping that Fredd will Convoy Lvn-Swe to attack England, which would
free me up to attack Rum and/or Sev. How are your communications
with the Western Powers?
Nick.
Message from Russia to Germany
Fredd,
Might I suggest Lvn-GoB-Swe this Spring? I don't think you can
afford a two-front war at this point, and I'd much rather focus on
regaining Sev than on defending StP, and forcing you out of Lvn.
Nick.
Message from France to all
France wishes the Best to Archduke Ferdinand.
May he enjoy his retirement. We shall be thinking of
him.
Also please give our best to Felicia. We enjoyed our
conversations with her.
--Prince Boar
Message from Russia to France
Xavier, My Friend,
> Movement results for Fall of 1904. (titleist.015)
>
> England: Army Belgium SUPPORT Fleet Picardy. (*cut*)
> England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean HOLD.
> England: Fleet Picardy SUPPORT Army Bel. (*cut, dislodged*)
> England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Army Belgium.
> England: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean -> Irish Sea.
Surprisingly passive, and given that Ivy was reportedly expecting
WMed-Spa/SC, not exactly pro-French, but attacking Germany remains
England's best hope, I think.
> France: Army Burgundy -> Belgium. (*bounce*)
> France: Army Paris -> Picardy.
> France: Fleet Portugal SUPPORT Fleet Spain/SC -> MAO.
> France: Fleet Brest SUPPORT Army Paris -> Picardy.
> France: Fleet Spain (south coast) -> Mid-Atlantic Ocean.
Why Spa/SC-MAO? You should not trust Roberto that much. Look
at what has happened to Austria and Turkey, (and me, indirectly).
> Germany: Army Kiel -> Holland.
> Germany: Army Silesia -> Munich.
> Germany: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia SUPPORT Army Livonia -> StP.
> Germany: Fleet Baltic Sea -> Denmark.
> Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Silesia -> Munich.
> Germany: Army Livonia -> St Petersburg. (*bounce*)
The largest Power in the West, and he goes on the defensive. If you
ally
with England, you ought to be able to roll over him.
> Italy: Army Trieste -> Serbia.
> Italy: Army Vienna SUPPORT Turkish Army Serbia -> Budapest.
> Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea -> Aegean Sea.
> Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Ionian Sea -> Aegean Sea.
> Italy: Fleet WMed SUPPORT French Fleet Spain/SC -> MAO.
> Italy: Army Tyrolia -> Trieste.
Not the stab I was expecting, but effective. It will still take him a
long time
to break through against Turkey without my help, but MAO S Por-Spa/SC
is strongly advised to discourage any two-front thoughts he might have.
Nick,
(who may get back to four Centers in 1905, if the Bolsheviks don't overthrow
the goverment.)
Message from Russia to Master and Observer
Russian EoY for 1904:
>Russian EoY for 1903:
> Another year without a build. This is getting
>monotonous.
The monotony continues... :^(
>Turkey should have supported me into Bud, as he
>promised to do.
Turkey should have vacated Sev, as he promised to
do. Had he done so, I would have then been inclined
to send an Army or two to harrass Italy, but now I'm
much more likely to accept Italian support into Rum,
and retake Sev by force, if I can convince Germany to
convoy Lvn-Swe.
>Now, I'm likely to collapse under German
>pressure unless England stabs him in S1904M.
Well, the appearance of a stab was enough to
save me, though I still don't understand why England
didn't stab.
>It seems as though Italy has been working against me, at every turn, and he
>has been much better at
>influencing Turkey than I have been. IR seemed like
>such an ideal alliance for this game, that I wonder
>why Italy hasn't been more supportive of my position.
And this also continues, (assuming that England
is correct that Italy proposed a Spa/Vie, Bud/Sev
growth split to Turkey and then stabbed for Serbia).
Things actually seem a bit more hopeful this year
than they did at the end of '03. The situation in
the West is so confused that Germany can't afford to
send another Unit East, and without a third Unit, he
can't take and hold StP, and Italy needs my help if
he wants to eliminate Turkey quickly enough to be
able to break into the Atlantic.
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
> > Congratulations on one small victory. StP still stands!
>
> Yes, that is rather ironic. I assumed that Fredd would order
>Sil-War, but figured that I should do everything possible to defend
>StP for "political" reasons, and it actually worked.
Germany is much too concerned about getting stabbed. He doesn't trust
enough. True, his edginess probably protects him from stabs occasionally,
but it also hinders his development. It certainly has in this game.
> Well, the agreement called for me to get Sev, Turkey Bud, and
>Italy Vie.
I know that Turkey was actually going to do it, until Italy proposed his
scheme.
>Understandable, but you still have the option of attacking Germany,
>now, and it still seems like your best bet, to me. I can use my influence
>with France to play up the Italian threat, (he is the leader, after all),
>and
>under a combined EFR attack, Germany should crumble.
My key consideration has always been this: what would France do if I
attacked Germany? Most of the time my best guess is that he would take
advantage of the situation and plow into me with everything he had. You
could not save me then.
You must think I am a passive, carebear player. I doubt there are any such
players in this final. Unfortunately, I feel I am caught in a situation in
which I have only one reasonable strategy. I don't like my position any
more than you like yours, but every time I think about changing strategies,
I only see matters getting worse.
Ivy
Message from Germany to Russia
Nick.
First might I congratulate you on a good guess. Funny I hadn't even
considered that you would move that way. Oh well, guess wrong one move,
guess right the next.
> Might I suggest Lvn-GoB-Swe this Spring? I don't think
> you can afford a two-front war at this point, and I'd much
> rather focus on regaining Sev than on defending StP, and
> forcing you out of Lvn.
That fleet in the North Sea certainly is getting old isn't it? Like I
said to Ivy, where would I be if he hadn't moved in there. (I'd probably
have WAR and STP, and he'd have at least one center from France)
Unfortunately there are other factors to consider when talking about
turning on England. The big one right now is Italy. Depending on what
he builds he must be considered a serious threat to take out Turkey.
Therefore I would not want to weaken Turkey by letting you 'bother' him
in the south.
I guess I'll have to continue my assault on STP. (as weak as it's been
so far.)
Fredd
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> I would have preferred that you had taken a more pro-Russian
> position with Ali, rather than suggesting that you take Spa and Vie,
> while he took Bud and Sev, but my actions will continue to be based
> on German moves next Spring, at least.
>
What exactly did Mr. Wingo tell you?
Your words above imply that it was my suggestion that I take Spa and Vie.
Quite the contrary. I was all set to order Tri s Ser-Bud and hold my
position. Turkey, I, and you would all gain one. I was content and
pleased. Then, all of a sudden on deadline day, I get bombarded by ET with
a 'new plan'. They want me to take Spain - mind you I've never seen a more
short-sided move in my life - and Turkey would remain in SEV. They tried to
pull off the old you'll get two builds trick on me.
Should I have told you about the 'new plan'? Perhaps, but I'm not sure what
you would have done differently. Besides, I hate getting mail saying
so-and-so is going to stab you so I generally don't send that type of mail
myself.
> I'm hoping that Fredd will Convoy Lvn-Swe to attack England,
> which would free me up to attack Rum and/or Sev.
If you've got some guts,
gob-swe; lvn-stp; stp-fin in the spring followed by
fin-stp; swe s stp-nor in the fall would be an interesting combination.
> How are your communications with the Western Powers?
As far as I'm aware, cordial. France is happy that I kept my word and
helped him fend off England. Germany is happy that twice now I entered and
left Tyrolia without making a play for Munich. England concerns me as I
haven't really done him too many favors yet.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I did realize the potential for Italy taking Spain if I
attacked MAO from that location. But by doing so I
guaranteed that England could not take it. If I attacked
from Portugal, Italy could have helped England take
Spain. I was unwilling to take that chance. I also was
willing to bet that Italy would prefer to not take on me
while he had bigger concerns in the East.
Your move to Livonia was brilliant by the way. I never
really studied the situation, but I certainly did not see
it during my quick glances. It is good that Germany did
not trust Italy or I enough to break your support from
Warsaw.
I agree that England's moves were not pro-French. They
were as anti-French as he could be. He was trying to
get Italy to take Spain. There was nothing else he could
accomplish. If he had only held in MAO, we could have
discussed his disbanding his retreating fleet. Now he
remains in my face.
Have you considered putting any effort into turning
Germany on England. I would take which ever one I could
arrange. But England seems determined to attack me,
therefore if we worked together on Germany, we might
have some luck.
How is your relationship with Turkey. Was his remaining
in Sevastopol a betrayal of you? You almost need to
side with him against Italy or else Italy will be
unstoppable and will devour you after Turkey falls.
--Prince Boar
Message from Germany to Russia
Nick:
Don't reject this immediately. It's better to think it over.
I can do the following.
I can leave Warsaw and Moscow alone in exchange for you handing STP over
to me.
Sounds outlandish doesn't it. Why give up a center? Well what good is
it doing you? Your fleet is bottled up. Disbanding it loses you
basically nothing. What it gains is the ability to move your other two
units south. As it is you have to use one of those units to support
STP.
Now would be the time to do this. I would move my army onto STP. (away
from WAR)
Certainly both Italy and Turkey are bidding for your favor. One of
those two can get you your next build.
I really think that this could be a win win. Right now you're tied up.
You're just waiting for the victor of I vs T to take you out when
they're ready. This deal frees up your two units. It's a win for me as
I can concentrate in the west. It also gives me a build. Which I won't
use against you.
Think it over.
BTW a convoy to Finland is superior to a convoy to Sweden.
Fredd
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali,
I'm curious, who first proposed that you remain
in Sev? I would appreciate an honest answer. While
your repeated failure to support/allow me to gain
Centers will make it difficult for me to trust you
enough to work closely with you, this doesn't rule
out you moving toward Italy, and allowing me to
retake Sev as you recapture Serbia. Even something
as small as that could be the foundation for future
cooperation. I hope you will consider that possibility,
and honestly answer my question.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
>Germany is much too concerned about getting stabbed. it hinders his
>development.
Yes, I pointed out the same thing to France.
>what would France do if I attacked Germany? my best guess is that he would
>plow into me with everything he had. You could not save me then.
I don't see France reacting that way at all,
especially given the threat of an 8-Center Italy
lurking in the Western Med. France is likely to
ally with Germany if Germany attacks you, but if
you attack Germany, your honesty, (assuming you've
been honest with France), and you greater willingness
to communicate, should win him over, especially if
we both play up the Italian threat to Prince Boar.
>You must think I am a passive, carebear player.
No, true care-bear's don't get to this level.
>I feel I am caught in a situation in which I have only one reasonable
>strategy. I don't like my position anymore than you like yours, but every
>time I think about changing strategies, I only see matters getting worse.
Can matters get better, following your current
strategy? As I see it, you have to pull back from
France, or from Germany, and hope to form an alliance
with that Power. Maintaining a forward defense
against both just means they will ally against you,
and eventually wear you down. I don't much like my
position, but imagine how much worse it would be had
I stuck with my original strategy, and not Convoyed
A Fin-Lvn in S1902M. There are times to stay the
course, but there comes a point where not changing
course, dooms you to failure as surely as constant
vacillation does. You are about to pass that point,
I fear.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Turkey to Russia
Nick,
I realize you have no reason to believe a word I say, but here is the
absolute truth. Throughout last week, I pushed hard to get me into Bud and
return Sev to you. Italy gave it lip service, to both of us, but he
*never*
said "I have entered vie s ser-bud" or any such, despite my pressing him
for
a concrete answer. He said the matter would be decided on Thursday, and of
course on Thursday the judge was down.
Throughout the diplomacy phase, I had extensive discussions with Ivy about
my reasons for wanting to keep you alive, my argument being that a viable
Russia would be good for him against Germany. I specifically said that I
didn't want to burn any bridges with you this year, and urged him to
contact
you to get the ball rolling on ER cooperation. I made detailed suggestions
of how he could turn to attack Germany, either by cooperating with Italy or
with France, but in any case with Russia harrying German flanks.
Friday morning, with the deadline passed, there was a flurry of diplomacy
between me, Roberto and Ivy, including joint press from E to IT and from I
to ET. The jist of it was that EI would at last cooperate agaisnt France.
The plan was for Ivy to withdraw from MAO (hence MAO-IRI), thereby allowing
WMS-Spa/sc. I was included in the discussion because Roberto claimed he'd
need my permission since that would mean he might be building 3. Of
course,
I found the idea that Italy would build 3 units alarming, since one of the
main tenents of our relationship has been that we would grow at the same
rate, my preference being one unit a year (which was another reason I was
pushing for Austria to be split evenly among us).
Anyway, at the last I was able to get Roberto to agree to support me to
Bud,
though I remained very leery of it all. I stayed in Sev so that if Roberto
stabbed me (which it turns out he did) I would at least have one build to
match his potential 3. Very short-sighted, but that's how you tend to be
when you're second-guessing everything at the last minute (in this case,
with an expired deadline). Then just when Roberto got his order in, the
deadline was extended. After that, I did not receive any further
discussion
of moves from anyone, and I left on vacation that afternoon without seeing
the result.
So the bottom line is that I argued strongly in favor of splitting Austria
between ITR, to both Italy and England. I argued for stability and
flexibility, and until Friday morning, meaning, until after the deadline,
my
order was Bla S Sev-Rum. If nobody had been late, that would have been my
order for the turn. But it seems stability and flexibility weren't what
Roberto had in mind. Once again, he played me like a violin, and it seems
Ivy as well.
As for who actually suggested I stay in Sev first, I can't honestly
remember. I will say that at one point on Friday, Roberto suggested that I
not only stay in Sev, but attack Moscow as well, despite the fact that I
would have exposed Smy to attack from Austria (Con/Gre were to bounce in
Bul). And indeed, it's curious that Austria did in fact attack Smyrna. I
wonder if Austria's been receiving any more grey press.
Roberto must be feeling pretty confident if the feels he can make fools of
both England and Turkey in the same move. If the game now turns into an
IFG
end game, then he may well turn out to be right, and as it stands my
money's
on Italy to win the game. But the face of this game seems to change every
year, so he may not get the last laugh.
As for the coming turn, I pretty much plan to fall back and regroup for
some
kind of defense. I figure I'll lose Bud to Italy, and Sev to you.
Hopefully not more than that. So it will be pretty much up to you whether
Turkey lives or not. If you pressure me from Sev, then I'll crumble fast.
If you choose to let me live, then RT would clearly have the upper hand,
since Germany has left a power vacuum in the center. If IFG emerges, and
you side with Italy, then you'll probably survive me in the game; but
probably not by much.
If you have *any* suggestions as to my coming build and Spring moves, I
would welcome them. A fleet build seems both obvious and futile, but
nevertheless that's what I've ordered. In the spring, I cannot decide if
it
would be better to try and force F Bul into Con, or move it back to Bla to
defend Con/Bul. Any desires Russia has in the matter would be most
welcome.
Ali
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali,
As I see it, you have to focus on defending against
Italy, so I don't see you as a threat. Germany, in
spite of his withdrawl, remains a threat, especially
since he's likely to ally with France against England,
and send an Army east again. I think, therefore, that
I have to move to Ukr-Mos, and "encourage" GA Lvn to
head west. This is likely to make it impossible for
me to take Sev this year, even if you move Sev-Rum this
Spring. F Smy seems like a necessary build for you at
this point, especially since you're almost certain to
see F Nap-Ion this Spring.
Nick.
Message from Master to all
Okay, I think my email is back. I got nothing in or out of
masseyd@btv.ibm.com for four or five days, then I got a flood
of about 300 mails in the last hour (in reverse chronological
order, for some reason).
Anyway, everything seems to be back to normal on my end.
I think we have everyone back from Labor Day vacation in the
U.S. and are ready to continue with the F1904B deadline
tonight.
Doug
Message from Turkey to England and Russia
Gentlemen,
Below is an excerpt of my recent press to Russia, describing the events of
the last turn. Ivy, I ask you to answer honestly: do you agree that my
description is accurate, at least in terms of those elements of which you
had direct knowledge?
Ali
----- Original Message -----
> Nick,
>
> I realize you have no reason to believe a word I say, but here is the
> absolute truth. Throughout last week, I pushed hard to get me into Bud
and
> return Sev to you. Italy gave it lip service, to both of us, but he
*never*
> said "I have entered vie s ser-bud" or any such, despite my pressing him
for
> a concrete answer. He said the matter would be decided on Thursday, and
of
> course on Thursday the judge was down.
>
> Throughout the diplomacy phase, I had extensive discussions with Ivy
about
> my reasons for wanting to keep you alive, my argument being that a viable
> Russia would be good for him against Germany. I specifically said that I
> didn't want to burn any bridges with you this year, and urged him to
contact
> you to get the ball rolling on ER cooperation. I made detailed
suggestions
> of how he could turn to attack Germany, either by cooperating with Italy
or
> with France, but in any case with Russia harrying German flanks.
>
> Friday morning, with the deadline passed, there was a flurry of diplomacy
> between me, Roberto and Ivy, including joint press from E to IT and from
I
> to ET. The jist of it was that EI would at last cooperate agaisnt
France.
> The plan was for Ivy to withdraw from MAO (hence MAO-IRI), thereby
allowing
> WMS-Spa/sc. I was included in the discussion because Roberto claimed
he'd
> need my permission since that would mean he might be building 3. Of
course,
> I found the idea that Italy would build 3 units alarming, since one of
the
> main tenents of our relationship has been that we would grow at the same
> rate, my preference being one unit a year (which was another reason I was
> pushing for Austria to be split evenly among us).
>
> Anyway, at the last I was able to get Roberto to agree to support me to
Bud,
> though I remained very leery of it all. I stayed in Sev so that if
Roberto
> stabbed me (which it turns out he did) I would at least have one build to
> match his potential 3. Very short-sighted, but that's how you tend to be
> when you're second-guessing everything at the last minute (in this case,
> with an expired deadline). Then just when Roberto got his order in, the
> deadline was extended. After that, I did not receive any further
discussion
> of moves from anyone, and I left on vacation that afternoon without
seeing
> the result.
>
> So the bottom line is that I argued strongly in favor of splitting
Austria
> between ITR, to both Italy and England. I argued for stability and
> flexibility, and until Friday morning, meaning, until after the deadline,
my
> order was Bla S Sev-Rum. If nobody had been late, that would have been
my
> order for the turn. But it seems stability and flexibility weren't what
> Roberto had in mind. Once again, he played me like a violin, and it
seems
> Ivy as well.
Message from Turkey to Russia
Nick,
Obviously, if you didn't take Sev this year it would be a godsend. It
probably makes sense for me to withdraw from it anyway, to shore up my
defenses in Turkey.
How would this set of moves work for you: F Smy-Aeg, Bul-Bla, Con S Rum-Bul,
Sev S Bud-Rum, Arm-Ank, thereby allowing Sev-Arm in the fall. I don't think
I can move Sev through Rum, and Arm provides stronger defense at home.
Again, if you have any wishes, desires, suggestions, or whatever, please
don't hesitate to write.
Ali
Message from Turkey to Russia
Nick,
> How would this set of moves work for you: F Smy-Aeg, Bul-Bla, Con S
Rum-Bul,
> Sev S Bud-Rum, Arm-Ank, thereby allowing Sev-Arm in the fall. I don't
think
> I can move Sev through Rum, and Arm provides stronger defense at home.
To clarify: I'm proposing moving out of Sev in the fall not as a delaying
action, but in order to support Bud-Rum. If this is not acceptable to you,
then say the word and I'll move out in spring.
Or, if you have any other moves you would prefer, don't hesitate.
Ali
Message from Russia to Turkey
>Message from Turkey to Russia in 'titleist':
>I'm proposing moving out of Sev in the fall not as a delaying action, but
>in order to support Bud-Rum. If this is not acceptable to you, then say
>the word and I'll move out in spring.
At this point, I see no reason to tell you how
to move. My short-term goal is to get GA Lvn out of
Russia without losing StP. As I see it, you need to
defend against, or counter-attack, Italy, so moving
out of Sev to the south or west seems a reasonable
course to take. If you do that, I'll consider
working with you to stop Italy, if circumstances
permit.
Without a great deal of study, I would say that
Sev-Rum, with Bud retreating to Gal would probably
make more sense than Bud-Rum, since it threatens an
attempt to retake Bud, and gives you greater options,
but it's your country to defend.
Nick.
Message from Master to Austria, England, France, Germany, Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Just signing on to encourage End Of Year statements from the players,
especially from Austria (who I think mentioned that he'd be forthcoming
with one soon, anyway).
Thank you for playing Austria; I hope you'll stay on as an observer.
Feel free to continue to affect play in a verbal manner, if you wish.
Doug
Message from Russia to Germany
Fredd,
>I congratulate you on a good guess. I hadn't even
>considered that you would move that way.
It wasn't really a guess. You had to order
GoB S Lvn-StP, or Lvn S GoB-StP, and the Army would
be much more useful to you there, so War S Lvn-StP
was the only possible defense of StP. I expected
that Sil-War would cut the support, but felt that
I had to make the attempt for "political" reasons.
> > Might I suggest Lvn-GoB-Swe this Spring
>Italy must be considered a serious threat to take out Turkey. Therefore I
>would not want to weaken Turkey by letting you 'bother' him in the south.
It remains to be seen who I'll support in the
south. I doubt that Turkey will be as foolish as
Austria, and continue to attack me as Italy rolls
over him, and given freedom from a Northern threat,
I could as easily move War-Gal and take Bud from
Italy, (since he'll take it from Turkey this year).
>I guess I'll have to continue my assault on STP.
This would keep me from getting involved in the
south, but unless you bring another Unit east, or get
some unlikely Turkish cooperation, you won't be able
to hold it.
>I can leave Warsaw and Moscow alone in exchange for you handing STP over to
>me. Now would be the time to do this. I would move my army onto STP.
>(away from WAR)
The only way I'd consider it would be if you did it
with the Fleet. A StP threatens Moscow.
>BTW a convoy to Finland is superior to a convoy to Sweden.
Not really. From Swe you threaten Nwy, and can
cover Den as you move your Fleet to Hel or Ska, and
GoB-Swe. Plus from Swe you don't threaten StP. 8-)
Nick.
Message from Germany to Russia
> >I can leave Warsaw and Moscow alone in exchange for you handing STP
> >over to
> >me. Now would be the time to do this. I would move my army onto STP.
> >(away from WAR)
>
> The only way I'd consider it would be if you did it
> with the Fleet. A StP threatens Moscow.
Seems fair. I will accept that. Although I'll point out that this
leaves me with an army in LVN, which threatens both Moscow AND Warsaw.
I imagine that you're thinking that I should convoy it to Sweden. That
would definitely mean that I'm attacking England. I'm not sure that
that's the way that I want to go. I'm not sure that it isn't. At any
rate if I convoy the army out of there in the spring, what motivation
would you have to go through with our bargain. This requires more
thought and discussion. Another drawback to the convoy is that it shows
England that I'm attacking, but half of my fleets are sitting far away
from him. I don't think he'll get too worried.
>
> >BTW a convoy to Finland is superior to a convoy to Sweden.
>
> Not really. From Swe you threaten Nwy, and can
> cover Den as you move your Fleet to Hel or Ska, and
> GoB-Swe. Plus from Swe you don't threaten StP. 8-)
>
My point was that I also threaten STP. ;-) Hmmm Maybe that's the
compromise?
Fredd
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I wanted to know where things stand with you. I expect that Turkey is
prepared to grovel, he suggested to me that he was. You should demand
the unconditional surrender of Sevastopol and then work with him. If he
falls quickly, Italy will then be ready to gobble you up next.
I have also been working on turning Germany against England. Part of
this path would be for him to withdraw from Russia. If you could give
him reassurances, and strongly suggest that he take this path, you could
be in great shape. The pressure on your border would disappear and you
would recover your homeland. You could also work to take an Austrian
center off Italy. Once England falls, you can I could discuss other
cooperative efforts.
Can you, will you, put effort forth to create an FG alliance, with R
neutrality?
-- Xavier
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
> What exactly did Mr. Wingo tell you?
That WMed - Spa was your idea.
> Should I have told you about the 'new plan'?
A word of warning from an ally would have been appreciated. At least
then
you could say, I told you so.
> If you've got some guts,
>
> gob-swe; lvn-stp; stp-fin in the spring followed by
> fin-stp; swe s stp-nor in the fall would be an interesting combination.
Yes, it is, if Fredd would commit to attacking England.
Nick.
Message from Russia to Germany
Fredd,
How about, Lvn-StP, GoB-Swe, StP/SC-Fin, War-Lvn? Followed by Swe S
StP-Nwy, Lvn S Fin-StP/SC, perhaps?
Just thinking,
Nick.
Message from Italy to Russia
As you know, I do not like quoting press, however, here is the message in
question that started the talk of my moving to Spain. You can decide for
yourself whether or not it was my idea. I even include a bit that I wrote
in response to Ivy's query about whether or not I was even interested in
attacking France.
>
>
> Message from England to Italy in 'titleist':
>
>
> Roberto,
>
>>What moves would you like me to order this turn as a joint attack of
>>France? WMS s MAO-SPA will not succeed although it may prevent France
>>from reaching the MAO.
>
>
> I am resigned to losing MAO, but if France takes MAO from Spain, doesn't
> that open up Spain for you?
>
> Why not MAO->Spa(sc) & Ion->Tys?
>
> If France gets MAO then you get Spain. I would protect MAO as best as
> possible from NAO. Then he can't take MAO without using both Por &
> Bre. That definately opens up Spa for you. Once France loses a unit, it
> is all downhill for him.
>
> Ivy
I'm not even sure why this bothers me but Ivy has passed on false
information about me all game. It's probably the main reason I failed to
actually help him against France. Deep down, I simply don't trust him.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
> I did realize the potential for Italy taking Spain if I
> attacked MAO from that location. But by doing so I
> guaranteed that England could not take it. If I attacked
> from Portugal, Italy could have helped England take
> Spain. I was unwilling to take that chance. I also was
> willing to bet that Italy would prefer to not take on me
> while he had bigger concerns in the East.
Interesting. I see your point, but would have thought WMed-Spa
was more likely than WMed S MAO-Spa.
> Your move to Livonia was brilliant by the way. I never
> really studied the situation, but I certainly did not see
> it during my quick glances. It is good that Germany did
> not trust Italy or I enough to break your support from
> Warsaw.
It surprised Fredd, too. ;-) I was actually expecting Sil-War, with
the disband of the Fleet, and a build of A Mos (for Sev). I ordered
the attack on Lvn for "political" reasons, (hoping to quiet the Bolsheviks),
rather than out of any expectation that it would actually leave me in
control of StP for another year.
> Have you considered putting any effort into turning
> Germany on England. I would take which ever one I could
> arrange. But England seems determined to attack me,
> therefore if we worked together on Germany, we might
> have some luck.
A significant part of his retreat from Russia is the result of my
playing
up the threat of an English stab, I think. I would rather see England
attack
Germany, but I have been discussing stab options with both of them.
Neither one trusts the other, but so far, neither has been willing to
attack.
> How is your relationship with Turkey. Was his remaining
> in Sevastopol a betrayal of you? You almost need to
> side with him against Italy or else Italy will be
> unstoppable and will devour you after Turkey falls.
Yes, for the third time in four years, he has failed to submit orders we
had agreed to. Oddly enough, the one time he didn't was when he was
supposed to get a Center, rather than me. I do see the danger that Italy
poses though, so I haven't ruled out working with the Turk again.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Italy to all
And adjustments haven't processed because ......
Message from Germany to Russia
>
> How about, Lvn-StP, GoB-Swe, StP/SC-Fin, War-Lvn? Followed by Swe S
> StP-Nwy, Lvn S Fin-StP/SC, perhaps?
Wow real moves. Great. I've been getting tired of all the generalized
talk from the others.
I like the first three moves. The fourth not as much.
As I just told Ali, my biggest worry is that Italy will win the game.
In fact, the only way that I see to stop him is if you and I work with
Turkey towards that goal. I was hoping that in resolving hostilities
between us that you'd be able to send both your armies to help Turkey,
immediately. I would even expect that Turkey will give back SEV if you
help out. (Ask him)
You are key here. I don't think that I'm going to be able to send my
Munich army south this turn. Although I intend to use the build (from
STP) to send at least one army south.
I do like the idea of LVN-STP, and GOB-SWE then STP-NWY supported by
SWE. What is of mild concern is leaving your fleet at my back. What
isn't good is not getting a friendly army into GAL. I can see that
Turkey's best move is BUL-BLA, RUM-BUL, BUD-RUM. This leaves GAL open.
We could really use your help in there.
I also see the possibility of a nasty stab from me, if you move both STP
and WAR off their centers. I'd say that I haven't been lying in the
past, but the truth is that given the opportunity to walk into two
centers, I'd probably lie my ass off for that. Therefore, I can't
expect you to move WAR south AND STP-FIN. Perhaps we can do one of
those in the spring, and one in the fall. I'd prefer getting the army
in WAR south ASAP. Perhaps you could do the following:
Spring.
WAR-GAL
UKR-MOS
STP hold
I suppose that I could still double cross you and take STP, but we're
discussing turning it over anyway. You'd also be in position to take
WAR back if I stabbed you by walking into WAR.
This deserves more thought.
Truthfully, I haven't decided that I should attack England, yet.
Fredd
Fredd
Italy: BUILD Fleet Naples
Italy: BUILD Army Venice
Turkey: BUILD Fleet Smyrna
Centers
England: 5
France: 5
Germany: 6
Italy: 8
Russia: 3
Turkey: 7
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