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Message from Russia to France
Xavier, and Le Dauphin,
Could I interest you in Russian support against
England? I realise that the prize is yours without
it, but I think I deserve better than to be
eliminated by that fool, Wingo.
A Thouroughly Disgusted,
Nick.
Message from Russia to all
>England: Builds an army in London.
>England: Builds an army in Edinburgh.
Ivy, are you insane??? Even if France supports
you into Kie and Ber, and gives you Munich, that
plus all of Russia is only 15 Centers, and Sev
is hard for a Northern Power to take and hold.
Do you expect France to give you Austrian,
Turkish, or Balkan Centers that you can't
defend, just to avoid the Solo??? Is anyone in
this game, besides Prince Boar, playing to win?
Czar Nicholas II of Germany and Poland.
Message from Master to all
Players -- please remember to submit EoY statements. Thanks,
Doug
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> can I invite you into Ukr to split Mos and Sev?
>
I was thinking along similar lines. I'll move Rum-Ukr.
If you support the move, it's sure to succeed but you can
try for Moscow immediately if you want.
Any other suggestions?
Idalia
Message from Russia to Master and Observer
Russian EoY for 1907:
>Russian EoY for 1905:
> > Russian EoY for 1904:
> > > Russian EoY for 1903:
> >
> > > Another year without a build. This is getting monotonous.
> >
> > The monotony continues... :^(
>
>And continues...
Ad Infinitum, it seems. The good news is that I'm
back to four Centers for the first time since 1902,
the bad news is I only have one Home Center, and it
has got an Army in it. The REALLY bad news is that
England is likely to take at least one, and probably
two, Centers from me next year.
EFR worked well together over the last two years to
take Germany from six Centers to zero, but either
France did a masterful job of convincing England
that EF could work for years to come, or England
was just too unsure of where my loyalties truly were,
and he decided to stab me. England's builds are
clearly anti-Russian, so I see my only hope at this
point to be convincing France to stab now, rather
than later.
On the Eastern Front, Italy continues to ignore
France, and take Centers from Turkey, and Turkey
decided that he was better off moving to an
indefensible position in Moscow, rather than
letting me build, and hoping that I would come to
his aid. The move to Moscow was a bush-league
mistake, in my view. At this point, my goal has
become to see Turkey and England eliminated before
France solos. Survival in a solo isn't worth much,
but at least I will have the satisfaction of seeing
the Powers that attacked me eliminated, and the
Powers that played the best, survive/win. I
suppose my point of view might be prejudiced, 8-)
but I think Austria, Germany, Turkey and England
all made fundamental strategic mistakes in
attacking Russia.
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Russia to Italy
> Message from Italy to Russia in 'titleist':
> > can I invite you into Ukr to split Mos and Sev?
>
> I was thinking along similar lines. I'll move Rum-Ukr.
Thanks.
> Any other suggestions?
Well, I guess that depends on whether you want to try to
wipe out Turkey, or defend against France. What's your
pleasure?
Nick.
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Well, I guess that depends on whether you want to try to
> wipe out Turkey, or defend against France. What's your
> pleasure?
>
Wipe out Turkey first, then defend against France.
Message from Russia to Italy
> Wipe out Turkey first, then defend against France.
Ok, then, how about:
A BULGARIA - Aeg - EMed - Syr
A RUMANIA - Ukr
F AEGEAN SEA C Bul - Syr
F GREECE S Ser - Bul
A BUDAPEST - Rum
A VIENNA - Tyl
F EASTERN MEDITERRANEAN C Bul - Syr
A SERBIA - Bul
If Turkey attacks, one of your moves might bounce, but your Centers
should be secure, and the Convoy to Syr should give you Smy in the
Fall as I take Mos. What do you think?
Nick.
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali,
Care to discuss this situation?
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>Well, you did lie to me about going slow in Italy,
Umm, I thought that was slow. I could have taken three
centers. I did not want Italy to be able to build, so I
needed to take two centers. Sorry if this did not meet
your expectations.
As for your offer to support me against England. If I
did stab England, then I would be the large power whom
everyone ganged up on, to stop. I saw what happened to
Italy. I do not know that I am strong enough to make
such a move. The best I would say is that you should
hold on as best you can this year and we shall reassess
next year. If you someone how managed to keep Ivy from
growing, that would be an even greater enticement. I do
admit that it would be wonderful of your to make it to
the end of the game, whether that is a survival or a
draw. You have done a remarkable job surviving despite
very poor odds. I am impressed and think that you
deserve that much.
But I am trying to help you in that I am trying to
convince Italy to help you take back Moscow. Have you
had much luck in that department?
--Xavier
Message from France to all
Fredd:
>Ya gotta love it. The person who has sent out more
>press than anyone whom I've ever played against, wants
>to be a censor. What could any EOG message say that
>hasn't been said in private many times?
More press to you than Ivy wrote? I am surprised. If
you had been more communicative, you would have gotten
much much more from me. I am not sure if you are
relieved or disappointed. I suspect the former. :-)
Go ahead and broadcast your EOG if you want to. I just
thought it would be more fun to read them all together.
When the game ends, you statement would be hard to
recall (being so long ago), which would be disappointing.
I look forward to hearing what everyone has to say.
Write a End of Units statement if you want :-)
Let us know when you get your hot tub. I assume that you
will invite us all over!
Message from Russia to France
Xavier, My Friend,
> >Well, you did lie to me about going slow in Italy,
> Umm, I thought that was slow. I could have taken three
> centers.
Not if you wanted to be sure of taking Munich, too.
> I did not want Italy to be able to build, so I needed
> to take two centers. Sorry if this did not meet
> your expectations.
Well, my understanding was that EFR would all build one,
with me having an unusable 5th Build. Granted that was
not explicitly laid out, but that's how I thought it would
work out before Turkey got stupid. Given the way things
turned out, I was not upset to see you get two builds, I
just included you in the unamed list of deceivers for the
effect.
> As for your offer to support me against England. If I
> did stab England, then I would be the large power whom
> everyone ganged up on, to stop.
Who's everyone? I'd be working with you, and you will
have Italy sealed off from from his homeland this year, and
Turkey is trapped behind Italy. You'd be fighting England
one on one. Granted he has four Fleets to our two in the
West, but F Rome can and should steam west, and you'd
build next year while England was forced to disband. This
is the time to do it, my friend. Every build England gets
makes your task harder. While you can win by fighting
your way to Turkey, Ivy HAS to stab you to win, and
each time he builds, it's more and more likely to happen.
> I saw what happened to Italy.
Yes, but we're firmly in the mid-game, now, and Italy
was an exposed Central Power. You're Fortress France,
and there's no-one with the cannon to breach your walls,
except England.
> I do not know that I am strong enough to make
> such a move.
With each passing year, you will look more and more
like a threat, and England will build his defenses; the time
to strike is now.
> If you someone how managed to keep Ivy from
> growing, that would be an even greater enticement.
Pie-Ven, will do that quite handily. ;^}
> I do admit that it would be wonderful of your to make
> it to the end of the game, whether that is a survival or a
> draw. You have done a remarkable job surviving despite
> very poor odds. I am impressed and think that you
> deserve that much.
Yes, it would be interesting to have the Powers and
Obsevers vote for "Best Player" at the end of this. I
suspect you'd win, but I'd probably be second. I somehow
doubt that I'll be able to fight my way back to a draw at
this point, but we do have a couple of stalemate line
available to us. 8-)
> But I am trying to help you in that I am trying to
> convince Italy to help you take back Moscow. Have
> you had much luck in that department?
We've been discussing it, and he seems willing to
move to Ukr. Whether he'll then attack Sev, or support
me back to Mos is an open question, though. Have you
written to the Turk? Mos-StP has real potential, this
Spring...
Nick.
(Who can't believe that Carl got voted off of Survivor
tonight. First Jessie, now Carl. Unbelievable.)
Message from Germany to all
> From France
> Let us know when you get your hot tub. I assume that you
> will invite us all over!
Seven guys in a hot tub, not MY idea of fun. ;-)
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
I rather thought I'd get a response from you to
my Broadcast, but since I didn't I figure I had better
approach you directly. Care to discuss preventing
the French Solo that I see barrelling down at us, or
to convince me that my vision of the future is wrong
in some way?
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
I was rather busy yesterday, but I was thinking of my response to you in
the middle of the night. I just now sat down (at work) to respond to your
broadcast when I got the message below.
> I rather thought I'd get a response from you to
>my Broadcast, but since I didn't I figure I had better
>approach you directly. Care to discuss preventing
>the French Solo that I see barrelling down at us, or
>to convince me that my vision of the future is wrong
>in some way?
>
>Nick.
Here's what I intended to write.
I'm confident you don't dislike me personally, but I do want to
you to believe that I am not totally insane in my approach to our
situation. Why two armies? I already have enough fleets to attack you, if
that is to be my route. I also have enough fleets to attack France
(Nwg-Nao, Bel-Pic, Nth-Eng, Nwy-Nth), because any attack on France would
not take me into the Med for a long, long time, if ever. Of course, I
don't have enough to do both, but who would want to do both? I need to get
armies onto the continent, no matter what I do.
Also -- call this a distinction without a difference if you wish
-- but I did not stab you last turn. I lied, but did not stab. Hol->Kiel,
which I contemplated, would have been a stab. It would have left Germany
with a unit and denied you Berlin. I really, really wanted to finish
Germany by making those moves to Sweden and Denmark. My mind was made
up. I didn't want an endless debate on the matter, though, and I knew you
were firmly opposed. And, while I expected to advance against Russia
afterwards, I didn't want to completely close the other option.
Is a French solo coming? I believe his chances are considerably
better than mine. I don't know what to do yet. I had been hoping for an
ending with a viable Turkey, however, I can't tell if Turkey or Italy will
occupy Anatolia if I keep my present course. It makes a big
difference. Italy is driving me crazy. I have to believe that he is
making a good faith effort, but if so he is playing a dangerous game.
Where does this leave me? It left me pushing pieces around the
board last evening, and I came to no conclusion. [I saw that we could get
you Munich, but do I really want that?]
More later, I am sure.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
>I was rather busy yesterday,
*Nick nods* I know how that can happen, but
didn't want to risk having you assume that my
broadcast was my final word to you, or that I felt
we were locked into unavoidable conflict.
> >Care to discuss preventing the French Solo, or
> >to convince me that my vision of the future is >wrong in some way?
>I'm confident you don't dislike me personally,
No, of course not. I don't even dislike Fredd,
Ali, or Ferdinand personally, and they all launched
more damaging, and more foolish attacks on Russia
than you have. Diplomacy may be THE Game, but it's
still a game, and "Ivy Wingo" has been much easier
for me to talk to and to work with than anyone else
in 'titleist', so there is certainly no personal
dislike. I do feel you've made a mistake in
attacking me, though. ;^}
>I do want to you to believe that I am not totally insane in my approach to
>our situation.
Out-of-character, I am a very calm, rational,
even-tempered individual, but there is something
about Diplomacy that encourages hyperbole in me. I
expected an Army and a Fleet.
>Why two armies? I already have enough fleets to attack you, [...]I also
>have enough fleets to attack France
True, but do you have enough Fleets to attack
me, AND defend against a French stab?
>call this a distinction without a difference if you wish-- but I did not
>stab you last turn. I lied, but did not stab.
This is, of course, a matter of perspective,
but:
You Wrote ] ]
I Replied ]
] ]I've decided to block Germany from both Sweden and
] ]Denmark. Yes, it also gives me a second build --
] ]at Germany's expense.
] Umm, no, it's at MY expense, and it could easily
]become three builds for you, and none for me. Don't
]try to set up a stab of me as defense against France,
]Ivy, we're all to accomplished to fall for it. If you
]want to play safe in Belgium, that's your concern, but
]moving to Sweden and Denmark without my permission is
]NOT the act of an ally!
We clearly established that Nwy-Swe, Nth-Den,
without an attack on France would be viewed as a
stab, and you accepted and acknowledged that.
>I expected to advance against Russia afterwards, I didn't want to
>completely close the other option.
If you expected to advance further as my
expense, your move can only be interpreted as a
stab. Stabs are part of the game, however, and I
don't hold it against you, and if by joining forces
with you, I can prevent a French solo, and get a
share of a draw, I'll do it.
>Is a French solo coming? I believe his chances are considerably better
>than mine.
Yes, it is coming. He can give you Munich and still
solo without attacking you or me, or he can take
Germany and the Lowlands and let Turkey survive.
>I don't know what to do yet. I had been hoping for an ending with a viable
>Turkey, however, I can't tell if Turkey or Italy will occupy Anatolia if I
>keep my present course. It makes a big difference.
Attacking an ally, (me) without a plan is always
dangerous, especially if you may need that ally
to stop someone else's solo bid. Turkey's move
to Moscow may extend his life, but it also dooms
him, especially since he's not sending or
responding to Press. Italy may be able to
eliminate Turkey, but France has already passed
beyond the minimum Southern stalemate line, so
it's just a matter of time before the entire Med
falls to France, unless I can take Turkey myself,
and I can't do that if you're attacking me in the
North.
>Italy is driving me crazy. I have to believe that he is making a good
>faith effort, but if so he is playing a dangerous game.
I'm not so sure that 9/11 didn't take the fight out
of both Italy and Turkey. Italy and I have been
talking, and he refuses to even mount a defense
against France until Turkey is eliminated.
>Where does this leave me?
It leaves you at a point of decision. This moment
will decide the course of the game. France has
two viable paths to the Solo, into Turkey, or through
you. I'm the only one who has the will, the vision,
and the position to stop him in Turkey. Your best
chance to stop France from attacking you, is to
attack him now, and since your only realistic path to
a Solo lies through France, that makes since, anyway.
It's clear to me that if you attack me, you lose,
while if you attack France, you have the chance to
draw, or perhaps win.
France is a better, or at least more highly-rated,
player than I am, so it seems likely that if I can
see this, he can see it, too. Why do you think he's
spoken so encouragingly about the prospects for EF?
(I'm assuming that he has, but it seems like a safe
bet.)
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Russia to all
"Warsaw Komsomolets"
January, 1907
"Growth At Last, But At What Price?"
Reports of riots in St. Petersburg mark the continuing decline of Russian
solidarity. Scores of citizens were injured and three lives were lost as
angry mobs stormed the English and Turkish consulate buildings. The
sound of shattering glass could be heard throughout the city and a few
buildings were seen smoldering in the early light of dawn.
When word of the fall of Germany came to this area, it was hoped the
citizens would once more unite and a wave of support would be felt much
as it did when Austria fell by the wayside. News of declining conditions
for
the troops bravely fighting this war, the stagnation of the economy, the
loss of key positions to supposed allies have clearly left their mark
on the citizens of this great country. Once firmly supporting the Czar
Nicholas and Tsarina Alexandra, the nation now questions why their leader
has chosen this inopportune time to tour the areas of Scandinavia and
Northern Germany when they, themselves, face destitution and ruin.
Government sources are trying to rally the people, promising that things
will
soon change as Turkey and England face defeat and Russian troops move
in to take advantage of this situation. Programs to aid the hardest hit
areas
are in planning and sources say many people may see relief in only a matter
of weeks. The Bolsheviks feel that this aid package will be too little, too
late,
if it arrives at all and have begun to call for revolution.
The citizens of Moscow are reported to be rioting, but not in protest or an
attempt to overthrow the Russian government. Attempts have been made to
foil key operations of the Turkish military and it is rumored that the
partizans
are, indeed, causing much havoc. Leaflets supporting Czar Nicholas and
urging citizens to unite and oppose the heathen Turks that threaten their
homes
are being posted faster than the Turkish Propaganda Corps can remove them.
What will happen in 1908 remains uncertain, but clearly it will be a year of
great change and upheaval.
Message from Russia to Master and Observer
I encourage you to watch 1908 closely. The
final result of the game is likely to be determined
this year, quite likely this Spring. I'm one of the
mid-ranked players in 'titleist', (though, of course
that puts me on the top-50 JDPR list), but I've never
had a moment of clear strategic vision like I've
experienced since F1907 Builds came through. France
will solo in 'titleist' if England continues his
planned attack on me. Now we'll have to see, if I
can make England understand that. If England stabs
France this Spring, we're likely to see either an EFR
or an EFI 3-way, depending on how France and Italy
react to the stab, but a stalemated 2-way is not out
of the question.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from France to all
I apologize for my recent silence.
Life has been too busy.
Last night was my daughter's birthday
As most of you know, that must
come before Diplomacy.
For single guys like Fredd, think:
Dauther's B-day ~ Date with Girl > Dip
I spent all day today working on a project
for her school. 2nd grade should not take
up this much time! Need to finish tomorrow.
But something that Fredd can understand:
tonight I am going to a Party!
(first one in almost a year :-)
I will write tomorrow AM before
the frenzy begins anew. I know that I owe
most everyone a message. Since I cannot
write you all now, I will wait on everyone.
Regards,
France
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
The Dauphin is not ready to attack Ivy this year. We
understand your statements about he will only get larger,
but so will France. He will never know what was best, we
just have to do what the Dauphin's gut tells him to do.
But please do everything that you can to stay viable and
continue to ask the Dauphin.
Meanwhile Italy seems willing to help you take back
Moscow. I am giving him concessions to encourage it.
--Xavier
Message from Russia to France
Xavier, My Friend,
> The Dauphin is not ready to attack Ivy this year.
I had hoped that my unflagging support for France's
cause, even inextremis, including repeated urgings to
Ivy to call off his attack on France and turn on Germany,
would have entitled Russia to more generous support.
> We understand your statements about he will only get
> larger, but so will France.
Yes, but if he gets two builds this year, and he's likely to,
unless you support me in Northern Germany, can you be
sure that he won't build Fleets? As it stands now he has
enough Fleets to attack me, or attack you, but not both,
and since he's likely to attack me, you will have an opening
to attack this year. If he builds two Fleets this Fall, that
opening will no longer exist, and I will lack the strength to
aid your attack. If you are unwilling to attack England, are
you willing to support me in Northern Germany?
> Meanwhile Italy seems willing to help you take back
> Moscow. I am giving him concessions to encourage it.
If you make concessions to Italy, and don't attack England,
you run the risk of English growth out-pacing your own, and
Ivy realizing that to win he has to stab you. You can win in
the Med, IF Ivy doesn't stab you, but he is playing England,
and must realize that any English victory requires attacking
France.
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I understand all your reasoning and I admit that there
are so many ways to see things. I just have to go with
what my gut tells me is my best choice. I will probably
at least put some pressure on Ivy by keeping him honest
in the channel. I will also hang out around Munich and
see how things look in the fall.
I will try to think about the game again this evening
after many many meetings.
--Prince Boar
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
>I understand all your reasoning and I admit that there
>are so many ways to see things. I just have to go with what my gut tells
>me is my best choice.
Well, actually, you could accept my clear
strategic vision, instead. ;^} You probably get this
fairly often, but this is the first time I've looked
at a mid-game position and seen a clear path to the
end-game. I just wish I was in a position to exploit
it.
>I will probably at least put some pressure on Ivy by keeping him honest in
>the channel. I will also hang out around Munich and see how things look in
>the fall.
If you're unwilling to attack Ivy, are you at
least willing to support me in Kiel/Berlin? There
is no way for me to defend Swe, but without your
support, I'm likely to lose Kiel, as well.
>I will try to think about the game again this evening after many many
>meetings.
I should be available this evening.
Nick.
Message from Master to Russia
Just a friendly reminder that your S1908M moves are due tonight
(you've ordered A War, but not A Ber or F Kie).
Doug
Message from Russia to Master
>Message from masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master to Russia in 'titleist':
>
>Just a friendly reminder that your S1908M moves are due tonight
>(you've ordered A War, but not A Ber or F Kie).
Yeah, I know. I'm just not getting enough from France or England to know
what to do in Germany. 8-(
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
Do you have any response to my long letter of
Oct. 26, or are you determined to attack me, even if
it means a French Solo?
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
I have not decided and am awaiting a response from France. I do know that
he is moving Brest->Channel for a bounce and that weakens any surprise
attack from me. Still I haven't decided.
Ivy
>Ivy,
>
> Do you have any response to my long letter of
>Oct. 26, or are you determined to attack me, even if
>it means a French Solo?
>
>Nick.
Message from Russia to Master
>Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
>I have not decided and am awaiting a response from France.
Given that both Ivy and I are waiting for responses
from France, and he says that he has meetings all day
today, and I won't be able to be online late this
evening, could I have a 24 hour deadline extension?
Thanks,
Russia.
Message from Master to all
One-day extension at player request.
Doug
Message from England to Russia
I didn't request the extension, but I could sure use it. I don't think I
have devoted 15 minutes to this game since the builds.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
>Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
>
>I didn't request the extension, but I could sure use it.
I did. I have to take my son to Scouts tonight, and
this move is too critical to the game, and my future
in it, for me to enter moves without more information.
Russia.
Message from Russia to France
As it turns out, I need to take my son to Cub
Scouts tonight, so I probably won't be on this
evening afterall, but I will respond to any press
that I receive in the morning.
Nick.
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> he is moving Brest->Channel for a bounce and that weakens any surprise
> attack from me. Still I haven't decided.
Bel S Nth-ECh, Nwg-NAO, Nwy-Nth, or Nth S Bel-ECh, Nwg-NAO,
Nwy-Nwg still positions you well without undue risk.
Nick
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
At this time, I have ordered Munich will support Kiel to
hold in the spring. I can not make any guarantees for
the fall.
I hope that Cub Scouts was enjoyable. We bought some
very overpriced carmel corn from some of your compatriots
:-) Others returned the favor by buying overpriced Girl
Scout cookies!
--Xavier
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
>At this time, I have ordered Munich will support Kiel to
>hold in the spring. I can not make any guarantees for
>the fall.
Would you be willing to order Mun S Ber-Kie, instead?
I'm not sure I want to move further west at this
point, but it is a possibility under consideration by
the Imperial Germeral Staff.
In Haste,
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>Mun S Ber-Kie
So ordered. Let meknow if you wish to switch back.
--Xavier
Message from Russia to France
> >Mun S Ber-Kie
>So ordered. Let me know if you wish to switch back.
My thanks. How late will you be available this
evening? (I have an overdue project that I'm
hoping to finish today at work, so I probably
won't finalize my orders until tonight.)
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
Well, it's been frustrating. Italy confirms, convincingly, that he has no
interest in defending his rear. He knows that he is dead if he doesn't get
into the SE corner. If France wins while Italy is attempting this, then
"so what?". Italy would have lost anyway.
In the meantime, France will not commit to equalizing our forces this
year. The best I can get from him is, "We'll see." Also, he admits that
he expects to support Kiel this turn. Of course, he promises that I can
have it in the fall, but why is he playing this way with both of us if he
is supposed to be allied with me?
So, I have decided to attack France. I don't like it, but I do fear that
he intends to try to placate you and me while plunging deep into
Austria/Balkans.
I don't expect you to alter your moves. You can wait and see what I do. I
know that Warsaw->Silesia should suffice to get you Munich with my support,
but Warsaw has so many other things that it could do as well.
I will say this. While stopping France from winning outright is my clear
goal, I am willing to work toward equality between you and me as long as we
are working together and as long as it does not permit France to win. I am
willing to reduce my forces if necessary. That's not just talk. You have
already seen me voluntary reduce from 5 units to 4 in order to prevent
Italy from winning.
So, do you have any additional information or advice?
Ivy
>Message from Russia to England in 'titleist':
>
>Ivy,
>
> > he is moving Brest->Channel for a bounce and that weakens any surprise
> > attack from me. Still I haven't decided.
>
>Bel S Nth-ECh, Nwg-NAO, Nwy-Nth, or Nth S Bel-ECh, Nwg-NAO,
>Nwy-Nwg still positions you well without undue risk.
>
>Nick
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
>Italy confirms, convincingly, that he has no
>interest in defending his rear.
That's the impression I've gotten, as well.
>France will not commit to equalizing our forces The best I can get from him
>is, "We'll see." he admits that he expects to support Kiel this turn.
He's offered the same to me, with a "we'll see"
about the Fall. It seems clear to me that the one
of you who attacks the other this Spring has the
advantage, and neither of you faces another credible
threat, so I'm a bit perplexed why neither of you
seems enthusiastic about about resuming the EF
conflict.
>I have decided to attack France. I don't like it, but I do fear that he
>intends to try to placate you and me while plunging deep into
>Austria/Balkans.
Yes, that's the most likely explanation.
>I know that Warsaw->Silesia should suffice to get you Munich with my
>support, but Warsaw has so many other things that it could do as well.
I see no advantage in taking Munich if I lose
Warsaw as a result.
>I am willing to work toward equality between you and me as long as we are
>working together and as long as it does not permit France to win. I am
>willing to reduce my forces if necessary.
I will most likely take StP in the next few
years, though I expect I will take it from Turkey,
rather than you, but beyond that, unless you are
gaining Centers from France, I see no need or reason
to take Centers from you. As Italy points out,
securing the southeast corner is key to keeping
France from winning, and I'd rather do that than
have Italy do it.
>So, do you have any additional information or advice?
I think you might be better off ordering
ECh S NAO - MAO in the Fall, rather than say
convoying to Pic, since that would allow convoys
of Lvp/Cly-NAO-MAO-Por/Spa/Gas, and Lon-ECh-Pic
next Spring.
Have you written to/heard from Turkey?
Nick.
Message from Russia to Turkey
Ali,
Might I suggest Mos - Stp?
Nick.
Message from Russia to Italy
I don't understand why England and France are so
reluctant to attack each other, but it seems that
they are. Turkey still isn't talking to me. Just
to confirm, you're moving Rum-Ukr, and not moving
Bud or Vie to Gal, correct?
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>Have you written to/heard from Turkey?
I wrote to him last week at the beginning of this spring season and have
not had a reply.
At the time I wrote I was still trying to help him, but now that I am
attacking France I think Turkey has little chance of surviving.
I had suggested War->Ukr as a possibility, because I thought Italy was more
likely to try Bud->Rum->Ukr rather than the too obvious Rum->Sev. As I
said, Turkey never replied, so I don't know if he will do it.
This does suggest War->Mos for you. If Turkey goes to StP or Sev, you have
Moscow. If Turkey goes to Ukr you will keep at least one of Warsaw/Moscow
and have a 50-50 guess at the other.
Ivy
Message from Master to Russia
One more friendly reminder to submit moves tonight. Each deadline missed
usually costs us a day; I'm trying to keep the game moving in order to
finish sometime near the end of the year. The only way to avoid annoying
emails like this is to submit orders and set wait. And even then, I might
write to ask you to set nowait. ;-)
Thanks!
Doug
Message [from England] to all
What county do you live in Doug? Perhaps you need a subgroup of the
Vermont group consisting of those who have a consistent record of
submitting moves on time -- the Xxxxxx County group.
> News about USIN can be found at
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>
>Message from masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master to England in 'titleist':
>
>One more friendly reminder to submit moves tonight. Each deadline missed
>usually costs us a day; I'm trying to keep the game moving in order to
>finish sometime near the end of the year. The only way to avoid annoying
>emails like this is to submit orders and set wait. And even then, I might
>write to ask you to set nowait. ;-)
>
>Thanks!
>
>Doug
Message from England to all
Who could this mystery writer be? He cleverly covers his tracks with grey
broadcasts.
Ivy
>Broadcast message in 'titleist':
>
>What county do you live in Doug? Perhaps you need a subgroup of the
>Vermont group consisting of those who have a consistent record of
>submitting moves on time -- the Xxxxxx County group.
> >Message from masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master to England in 'titleist':
> >
> >One more friendly reminder to submit moves tonight. etc.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
If will check later tonight. I was swamped today and then my wife
called with news that the car would not stop.
If I was to move to Ruhr, would you be able to do something with Kiel
yourself? Would you consider Kiel -> Baltic, Berlin to Kiel? I do not
know if I would do this, but I wanted to know what you would consider.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I had some time this evening and was pondering possibilities. I do not
see how it would be possible to force England to disband any units. At
best we could try to keep him even. He will certainly take Sweden. If
I took Belgium, that would cause him to break even. But taking Belgium
forces Kiel to be at risk, i.e. you would have to order Kiel to Holland
in the fall and would not be able to protect it. (Assuming that you
order Ber s Kie in the spring.)
Hmmm, perhaps if I used Army Marseilles in the North, rather than the
south it would be possible to protect Kiel with Ber -> Kie s by Mun in
the fall. That surely weakens my southern position in that I would only
have one army down there. Can you see any way to guarantee Belgium
without risking Kiel?
If you are to busy to ponder these possibilities, I will just go down
the two-way alliance path. Let me know if you are around.
--Xavier
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
> If I was to move to Ruhr, would you be able to do something with Kiel
> yourself? Would you consider Kiel -> Baltic, Berlin to Kiel? I do not
> know if I would do this, but I wanted to know what you would consider.
Are you talking Mun-Ruh, or Bur-Ruh? Mun S Ber-Kie, Bur-Ruh,
Kie-Hel would certainly prevent England from taking Kiel this Fall.
Mun-Ruh exposes me to Hol S Den-Kiel, though.
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
You should focus on my second message. Perhaps you already are doing
so. I will wait and keep checking.
--Xavier
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
> I had some time this evening and was pondering possibilities. I do not
> see how it would be possible to force England to disband any units.
We can hope for Mos-StP, either on it's own, or on retreat.
> best we could try to keep him even. He will certainly take Sweden. If
> I took Belgium, that would cause him to break even. But taking Belgium
> forces Kiel to be at risk, i.e. you would have to order Kiel to Holland
> in the fall and would not be able to protect it. (Assuming that you
> order Ber s Kie in the spring.)
Ber-Kie, Kie-Hel, Bur-Ruh, opens us possibilities for a supported attack
on Hol, Bel, or Den.
> Hmmm, perhaps if I used Army Marseilles in the North, rather than the
> south it would be possible to protect Kiel with Ber -> Kie s by Mun in
> the fall. That surely weakens my southern position in that I would only
> have one army down there. Can you see any way to guarantee Belgium
> without risking Kiel?
Given Italy's focus on Turkey, I suspect Mar - Bur would not weaken
your Southern position significantly.
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I guess that what I would need from you in this hasty time frame is your
agreement to order
a unit to holland in the fall. Whether you order ber s kie now and in
the fall agreement to order kie -> hol, ber -> kie (s by Mun) or another
plan is your choice. I favor this one as no risk to you. But I would
also want a longer term agreement to work with me to defeat England.
This will help you grow to a legitimate size. If I end up winning, at
least you will not be eliminated and will have been a part of it. There
is also the chance for a FRT or FRI draw. My other option is to work
slowly with England and hope for the 50-50 chance at the victory. This
may end up with a EFI or EFT draw.
Are you willing to make this commitment (i.e. to work with me to help
squash out Ivy, who just stabbed you)? Can you convince me that you
will not just turn on me as soon as I am at war with England?
I will be here until the deadline.
--Xavier
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I guess that Hel & Kie would be stronger for the fall, it just risks
Kiel in the spring. If you lose Kiel, that means that Belgium will not
also fall. I do not think that Ivy is going for Kiel in the spring,
because he probably wants to ensure that he take it in the fall. Hence
it might be worth the risk. If we did take Holland and Belgium, that
would mean that England would lose a net center. But he would still
build as he would likely disband both of those units and build a fleet
in Liverpool.
Just tell me that you are committed to grow at England's expense and I
will help you do so. I just do not want to take him on by myself. He
will have me matched with his fleets and it will be very slow going for
me until you make gains in Scandinavia. So I guess that you have little
to lose and much to gain. :-)
--Xavier
PS: Sorry that I am waiting until the last minute for this. Your words
earlier have just started to sink in, now that I have a little time.
Message from Russia to France
> I guess that what I would need from you in this hasty time frame is your
> agreement to order a unit to holland in the fall.
Agreed.
> Whether you order ber s kie now and in the fall agreement to order
> kie -> hol, ber -> kie (s by Mun) or another plan is your choice.
> I favor this one as no risk to you.
How does Kie-Hel, Mun S Ber-Kie, Bur-Ruh, Mar-Bur, followed
by Mun S Kie, Kie S Hel-Hol, Bur S Ruh-Bel, sound?
> But I would also want a longer term agreement to work with me to
> defeat England.
Didn't I propose this to you? I'm sure that I meant too... ;^}
> There is also the chance for a FRT or FRI draw.
Why not an FR 2-way? *wink*
> Are you willing to make this commitment (i.e. to work with me to help
> squash out Ivy, who just stabbed you)? Can you convince me that you
> will not just turn on me as soon as I am at war with England?
I'm really badly positioned to turn on you, don't you think?
> I will be here until the deadline.
Me too.
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I would need to support Bur to Ruh as Holland is very likely to go to
Ruhr. But that means that Kiel is safe.
Let's do it. Ivy will be upset with me. But you agree that you would
rather see me win than be eliminated by Ivy. I guess that is not quite
a promise to help me win is it? :-)
And who knows, there might be a FR two-way, but I did not suggest it to
you because I want you to believe me and trying to get you to believe in
low probility senarios hurts that trust. But believe in it if you want
to. Anything is possible in this game.
Oh, I thought of something. If you are Hel and Kiel, then it is a
guessing game. Hel -> Hol s by Kie fails if Den -> Kie. But you can
foil that with Kie -> Hol s by Hel and Mun -> Kie. That is foiled by
Nth -> Hel, but he needs Nth to support Holland. The choice would be
entirely your call. I am just throwing out the options. I would
absolutely not want to take Kiel from you! I need you to build.
--Xavier
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I am going to bed now. I have a very early morning.
Good luck to us.
--Xavier
Message from Russia to France
I'm ordering Kiel-Helg, Ber-Kie, War-Mos. 8-)
Nick.
(Who damn-near signed his own name.)
England: Fleet Belgium → English Channel (*bounce*)
England: Army Denmark HOLD
England: Army Edinburgh → North Sea → Belgium (*bounce*)
England: Army Holland → Ruhr (*bounce*)
England: Army London HOLD
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Edinburgh → Belgium
England: Fleet Norway HOLD
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → North Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Adriatic Sea SUPPORT Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
France: Fleet Brest → English Channel (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Ruhr
France: Fleet Ionian Sea → Aegean Sea
France: Army Marseilles → Burgundy
France: Army Munich SUPPORT Army Burgundy → Ruhr
France: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
France: Army Piedmont → Venice
France: Fleet Rome → Tyrrhenian Sea
Italy: Fleet Aegean Sea → Eastern Mediterranean
Italy: Army Budapest → Rumania (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Budapest → Rumania
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Syria
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Italy: Army Rumania → Ukraine (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Budapest → Rumania
Italy: Army Vienna → Galicia
Russia: Army Berlin → Kiel
Russia: Fleet Kiel → Helgoland Bight
Russia: Army Warsaw → Moscow (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Ankara SUPPORT Fleet Smyrna
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Constantinople
Turkey: Army Constantinople HOLD
Turkey: Army Moscow → Ukraine (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna SUPPORT French Fleet Ionian Sea → Aegean Sea
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