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Message [from Russia] to France
An anonymous telegram arrives at the French Ministry of War:
(BEGIN MESSAGE)
F WESTERN MEDITERRANEAN SUPPORT F SPAIN (SOUTH COAST) TO MID-ATLANTIC OCEAN
F MID-ATLANTIC OCEAN TO BREST
A PICARDY TO PARIS
A BURGUNDY SUPPORT F BREST TO PICARDY
F SPAIN (SOUTH COAST) TO MID-ATLANTIC OCEAN
A PARIS TO GASCONY
F BREST TO PICARDY
A MARSEILLES SUPPORT A BURGUNDY
INCREASE PRESSURE ENGLISH CHANNEL (STOP)
STRAIN DEFENSE BELGIUM (STOP)
ENCOURAGE RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE SCANDINAVIA (STOP)
(END MESSAGE)
Message from Italy to France
Vienna has been ordered to support Rumania to Budapest. Let me know if you
would prefer something different.
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
OK, you removed both the fleets. I am guessing that you have chosen to
consolidate your power? You are hoping to become a viable part of the
coalition?
So should my response should be to fall back from the area where you
have your units?
Please let me know what you are planning or hoping and we can see where
that leads us.
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
Well, it looks like Italy opened the door for us to scramble around
fighting each other. I will have to look for a way to extract myself
from the areas where he has his holdings.
I do not expect you to attack him in the spring, but you should leave
yourself as best positioned to finish him off in the fall as you can.
You may not be able to get at Munich if Ivy protects; but if he is
reduced down to 1 unit by the end of the year, he is finished.
I will write more late. I have to go play peacemaker at home.
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I sent my note before I read your note. Read it in that light. Perhaps
your note partially answered mine.
I really need to set up the board before I discuss specifics. I just do
not know when I will get the time.
Thanks for the information about Vienna.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Russia to France
> Message from France to Russia in 'titleist':
> I will write more later. I have to go play peacemaker at home.
Le Dauphin, Xavier, and Josephine at each other's throats again? ;^}
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>Le Dauphin, Xavier, and Josephine at each other's throats again?
The Queen was adding her voice into the fray.
Your note made me realize that those three matched my family, a girl and
two boys. Of course when I started the game I was playing one (or two)
of them and never intended to be the parent. :-)
Thanks for telling me about Kiel. I found it interesting that England
was trying to do to you what said that you should have done him: take
the centers that you wanted and counted on him having to accept it
rather than lose.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Russia to France
King Roger,
> >Le Dauphin, Xavier, and Josephine at each other's throats again?
> The Queen was adding her voice into the fray.
Ah, joy... ;^}
> Your note made me realize that those three matched my family, a girl
> and two boys. Of course when I started the game I was playing one
> (or two) of them and never intended to be the parent. :-)
Ah, I thought it was intentional. 8-) (You'll notice I never mention
Nicholas's and Alexandra's daughters, since I have only one child.)
> Thanks for telling me about Kiel. I found it interesting that England
> was trying to do to you what said that you should have done him:
> take the centers that you wanted and counted on him having to
> accept it rather than lose.
Yes, we're having the same argument about this Spring. EI are claiming
they're only interest is in stopping you, but they are more interested in
taking Kiel than in attacking you.
Nick.
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Would you be willing to support Venice to Trieste instead
of Rumania to Budapest?
You what would drive Nick insane? If you ended up in one
of his home supply centers again :-) If there is anyway
you can pull that off, it would be enjoyable to witness
:-)
So are you getting Kiel or is Nick insisting that no one
get it?
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
(I never got a confirmation for this, perhaps I failed to
send it? Sorry if it is a duplicate.)
Of course they want to take Kiel. They want to reduce
you to a harmless state; declaw you. That way you will
be less a pain in their backside :-) This of course
makes it less likely for Italy to be eliminated as well.
If Ivy can pick up enough forces and he can get you to
hold me back in the south, who knows where he might go?
I know that his primary goals is preventing a solo; but
why not pick up some centers on the way?
Hey, I thought of you on the way into work today. On
they radio they played that old song about the Nuclear
Engineering student.... "my future's so bright, I gotta
wear shades" :-) I said that line to you a long time
ago. It is funny how words in a Diplomacy game can later
make you think about people that you know only via the
internet :-)
I suppose that you and Ivy have your plan all set, or are
you still negotiating?
--King Roger XIII
Message from Russia to England, France, and Italy
Since no-one is enjoying this game anymore, I'm
setting draw, and I invite you to do so, as well.
Eric.
Message from Russia to France
King Roger,
>Of course they want to take Kiel. They want to reduce
>you to a harmless state; declaw you. That way you will
>be less a pain in their backside :-)
Naw, as long as I can send press I'll be a pain in
their backsides. ;^}
>This of course makes it less likely for Italy to be eliminated as well.
Oh, I disagree. The moment I reduce you to 13
Centers or less, Ivy will eliminate Italy and
take Swe, StP and War for the tournament victory.
>Hey, I thought of you on the way into work today. On they radio they played
>that old song about the
>Nuclear Engineering student.... "my future's so bright, I gotta wear
>shades" :-) I said that line to you a long time ago. It is funny how
>words
>in a Diplomacy game can later make you think about
>people that you know only via the internet :-)
Yes, I recall you quoting Timbukthree. 8-)
>I suppose that you and Ivy have your plan all set, or are you still
>negotiating?
No, we're still arguing. 8-(
Nick.
Message from Master to all
Extension for New Year's Day, etc.
Doug
masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master set the deadline
for game 'titleist' to Fri Jan 04 2002 23:30:00 -0500.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>Oh, I disagree. The moment I reduce you to 13
>Centers or less, Ivy will eliminate Italy and
>take Swe, StP and War for the tournament victory.
It is funny how the risk for the tourney victory goes
from me to you to Allen. It has been quite a roll
lately. He did thank me for making his position viable
again and allowing him to do some diplomacy. Perhaps
this is what he meant. I always thought he was doing
diplomacy (keeping you and Italy in check), so I did not
see the difference.
>Since no-one is enjoying this game anymore, I'm
>setting draw, and I invite you to do so, as well.
What is up?
>Naw, as long as I can send press I'll be a pain in
>their backsides. ;^}
:-)
I guess that the Judge does not allow one to filter
messages. But there is probably a way for someone who
has a decent mail program and some understanding on how
to use it. I am not included in either of those
categories! Then again, I am just happy to get any mail.
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
Ofcourse they want to take Kiel. They want to reduce you
to a harmless state; declaw you. That way you will be
less a pain in their backside :-) This of course makes
it less likely for Italy to be eliminated as well. If
Ivy can pick up enough forces and he can get you to hold
me back in the south, who knows where he might go?
I know that his primary goals is preventing a solo; but
why not pick up some centers on the way?
Hey, I thought of you on the way into work today. On
they radio they played that old song about the Nuclear
Engineering student.... "my future's so bright, I gotta
wear shades" :-) I said that line to you a long time
ago. It is funny how words in a Diplomacy game can later
make you think about people that you know only via the
internet :-)
I suppose that you and Ivy have your plan all set, or are
you still negotiating?
--King Roger XIII
Message from Russia to France
Roger,
> >Oh, I disagree. The moment I reduce you to 13
> >Centers or less, Ivy will eliminate Italy and
> >take Swe, StP and War for the tournament victory.
>It is funny how the risk for the tourney victory goes
>from me to you to Allen.
Of course, before you it was Ken. 8-) But then,
isn't that what 'Balance of Power' play is all about?
> > Since no-one is enjoying this game anymore, I'm
> > setting draw, and I invite you to do so, as well.
>What is up?
Allen and Ken don't appreciate my style, and I'm
tired of arguing with them. *shrug* If you were
asked to give an honest assessment of my tactical
ability and style, my negotiating style, my
"approach" to the game, and my strengths and
weaknesses as a Diplomacy player what would you
say?
> >Naw, as long as I can send press I'll be a pain in
> >their backsides. ;^}
>:-)
>I guess that the Judge does not allow one to filter
>messages. But there is probably a way for someone who has a decent mail
>program and some understanding on how to use it.
Yes, you'd have to set up a rule to search the
message text for "Message from Russia to France in
'titleist':", and file it "appropriately". 8-)
Eric.
Message from Italy to France
>
> Would you be willing to support Venice to Trieste instead
> of Rumania to Budapest?
>
If you would prefer, sure. Let me know your final decision.
> You what would drive Nick insane? If you ended up in one
> of his home supply centers again :-) If there is anyway
> you can pull that off, it would be enjoyable to witness
> :-)
>
Believe me, I'm trying. :)
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
> If you would prefer, sure. Let me know your final
>decision.
We appear to have several days to think about it. Ivy is
out of town and I suspect that no final decisions will be
made until he returns. Spend some time teaching your
daughter how to write C code :-) OK, don't do that, just
read read read to her. (Hmmm, I hope you said daughter
and not child? sorry if I goofed that up.)
Whatever we decide, I prefer to make moves where I need
to depend the least on support from others. Ivy is very
good at making peace between you and Nick. :-)
Also, is there nothing else that you would want to do
with that army, like support Bohemia to Galicia? :-)
Welcome to 2002, a palindrome year.
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
As I have told Allen on at least two occassions, I have
no trouble dealing with you. I get along with you quite
well. I admit that it can be frustrating at times, but I
prefer your approach and effort to that of many many
other players that I have met, some of them in this game.
Perhaps the best thing to do is limit the communication
with them for a while. Simply tell them the moves that
you will make and wish them luck. You would probably
want to explain that approach a bit, so it does not make
things worse.
--King Roger XIII
PS: Welcome to 2002, a palindrome year.
Message from Italy to France
>
> So are you getting Kiel or is Nick insisting that no one
> get it?
>
I think I forgot to answer this question.
The answer is both. :)
Roberto
Message from Russia to France
Roger,
>As I have told Allen on at least two occassions, I have
>no trouble dealing with you. I get along with you quite
>well. I admit that it can be frustrating at times, but I
>prefer your approach and effort to that of many many
>other players that I have met, some of them in this game.
Thanks. Hopefully once the game ends you'll be willing
to answer the questions at more length. This game has
certainly been a learning experience for me, and I think
I'll have to take some time off after it's over and
digest what I've learned. Perhaps I'll be able to take
my game to the next level. (Either that, or I'll stop
playing. 8-) )
>Perhaps the best thing to do is limit the communication
>with them for a while. Simply tell them the moves that
>you will make and wish them luck. You would probably
>want to explain that approach a bit, so it does not make
>things worse.
Sounds like an idea. Thanks again.
Eric.
Message from France to France
End of Year Statement 1913
This year turned out quite well, despite the fact that I had no
expectations for it. After Italy's change of mind last fall and my
being reduced down to 13 units, I was honestly seeking only the 3-way
draw. I offered a friendly 3-way draw with England and Russia at
12-11-11 where the power with 12 centers would be determined randomly.
My offer was quite genuine. Neither took me up on it.
At first I said that I would not vote for the 4-way draw because I felt
that Italy should be eliminated. I had given him the choice of my solo
or an EFR draw. He did not follow through on his support for my solo,
therefore I felt it my duty to see him eliminated. Near the spring
deadline, I realized that I was being petty and that 3-way vs. 4-way,
there was no difference. But Russia did not want the 4-way at that
point.
I had told England and Russia my moves. They consisted of moves to take
Italian centers and to offer support to them to Italian centers. Russia
used that information quite effectively to make a power play and poised
himself to get 11 centers. Russia was suddenly poise to become the
dominant power and win the tournament (or perhaps even solo). England
and Italy must have reacted quite strongly to his move because in the
fall he backed away from all his moves. His actions actually helped me
quite a bit. England and Italy both focussed on Russia.
I choose to ask Italy for the help I wanted and told him honestly that
my preference was to work exclusively by myself and not risk needing
support from others, which could be betrayed. I basically politely told
him that I would not be helping him keep as many centers as possible and
he could choose to make sure that Russia had less of them or more of
them as he saw fit. This completely honest and upfront approached
yielded great dividends as Italy decided to make the moves that I
requested, despite what England and Russia expected him to do. Suddenly
I was up to 16 centers, when my expectations for that year were 12-14.
I could have been more aggressive and perhaps won (there were a set of
moves which would have done it). But I did not expect things to go so
well and I have decided to play completely upfront for the remainder of
the game. I will only not do as I say if it I see that it will propel
me to a forced win. I figure that I get just one last opportunity at
deception. Hopefully I can avoid it altogether.
For 1914, England, Russia, and Italy appear to be at each other's
throats, at least E&I vs. R. Therefore my plan is to just lay low, not
cause anyone to get upset with me, and hope for the best. I have to
decide where I put my effort though. Should it be a Northern push
(someone sent me an anonymous suggestion to get more fleets on the
Channel). Or should it be a Southern push to control the Balkans. In
the south, I am leaning towards a focus on protecting Turkey. I can
protect Italy and Turkey and then hope to pick at the Balkans with less
risk. But this may be a smaller shot at victory than a big push into
the Balkans and at Russia. But that big push risks causing cooperation
between EIR out of desperation. A more conservative approach may
keeping that sniping at each other?
At least the Italian fleets are gone. There is currently no threat to
my Mediterranean dominance. The down side is that I may see a Russian
army in Turkey. I would love to convoy an army from Marseilles or Italy
to Turkey. But I do not know if I can afford to use all the units
necessary to do it. I may have to set up some small convoy, perhaps
from Italy to Greece.
Roger
Message from France to all
This short pause in the spring phase provides and opportunity for anyone
who has not completed their 1913 EOY statement to take care of that. I
just finished up mine <sheepish grin>. Doug usually makes an
announcement but he seems busy hosting diplomacy games and showing off
his wardrobe. Where are his priorities, really? :-)
While I have this public stage, I have a recollection from when the game
started that someone in it is from Madison, Wi? Was it this game? (I
could be confusing my games.) Since it is gunboat I cannot simply do a
whogame to figure it out. I am far too lazy to dig up all the e-mail
addresses and use 6 whois commands. If you are out, I hope you will
speak up. I would like to chat about my old stopping grounds -
Undergraduate School.
Roger/France
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
As I write my EOY statement, I smile in remembering that the one that I
wrote for 1912 (before the fall moves actually). Just before I sent
them off I double checked the message and noticed that I had typed
'press to r' instead of 'press to f'. I send my EOY statements to
myself rather than master. Looking back it would have been funny, but
at the time I almost had an heart-attack. :-)
Let's see, do I owe you a response on anything? Nope, I guess that we
are all covered for now. I guess that I will end with a reminder that
you once offered to allow me to occupy one of your home centers, since I
was the only one in the game to never have done so. I hope to be taking
you up on that ;-) :-)
--King Roger XIII
Message from Russia to France
Roger,
> As I write my EOY statement, I smile in remembering that the one that I
> wrote for 1912 (before the fall moves actually). Just before I sent
> them off I double checked the message and noticed that I had typed
> 'press to r' instead of 'press to f'. I send my EOY statements to
> myself rather than master. Looking back it would have been funny, but
> at the time I almost had an heart-attack. :-)
*chuckle* Back in my early days of Judge Dip, I was playing Turkey for
the first time and since I had grown tired of the, "I look forward to
meeting
your Ambassadors, and to ever-lasting friendship between our nations.",
opening broadcasts, I announced the formation of the EEU, and declared
than the other nations had the option of joining the EEU, or being
incorperated into it. (The Union Steward, was Jamir "Jimmi" Hoffa.)
Austria joined, and we were courting Russia, while discussing options for
eliminating him if he didn't, and the Austrian Union Steward typed up a
message laying out a devastating attack on Russia, and typoed "press to r",
instead of "press to t". We had an interesting series of broadcasts
detailing
the hijacking of a train carrying a diplomatic courier, who was a minor
member of the royal family, by bandits, and the eventual discovery that the
bandits were in fact Russian agents, and they had killed the courier. 8-)
It was a lot of fun.
> Let's see, do I owe you a response on anything? Nope, I guess that we
> are all covered for now. I guess that I will end with a reminder that
> you once offered to allow me to occupy one of your home centers, since I
> was the only one in the game to never have done so. I hope to be taking
> you up on that ;-) :-)
Rum-Sev, Sev-Arm, perhaps? ;^}
Nick.
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Would not:
mun -> sil
boh -> gal s by vie
fall:
gal -> war s by sil
net you Warsaw this year? I guess it depends on where
Ukraine ends up. You may choose not to do this, but it
certainly is possible. I think that Ivy would allow you
to keep Munich. That leaves you with War, Mun, and Vie.
(There is also the possibility of Ank.)
I am still debating whether I move Con to BlS or Ank.
There is a chance that it may move out of Ank even if I
initially move there. The key is whether I decide to
focus on the Balkans or Turkey.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Italy to France
>
> Would not:
> mun -> sil
> boh -> gal s by vie
>
> fall:
> gal -> war s by sil
>
> net you Warsaw this year?
>
It would, except Ivy is probably going to move Ber->Sil to "plug the hole
left by the Silesia disband". BTW, I hope you get a chance after the game
to read S1914M press. It's rather quite amusing if I say so myself. Nick
is demanding that Ivy not move Ber->Sil since he thinks that will allow Ivy
to win the tournament since it's is so obvious that Ivy would then take
Warsaw in the fall. He's got this whole scenario dreamt up of how the game
would end 13-12-9 in England's favor. [You'd be the 12 part]
Oh, I asked him the following question. If the game were 12-12-9 and I
(Italy) had Munich, would Roger support my army or let Ivy take it to win
the tournament? His answer was he'd probably let Ivy take Munich since a
4-way would lower your JDPR and judge culture favors lesser draws. I'm
curious what the real answer is?
> I think that Ivy would allow you to keep Munich.
I doubt it, but I wouldn't care at that point. Of course, if he dislodged
me, I'd most likely have a retreat to Kiel eh.
> That leaves you with War, Mun, and Vie.
I think you're making some huge assumptions on Nick's moves.
Anyway, I'm rather not interested in having 3 centers that don't border each
other. I've got that now and look what kind of a mess I'm in. I'd rather
just have Kie and Mun than the 3 I've got now or the 3 you mentioned.
Whether you leave me Ankara is up to you. You're free to take it if you
wish.
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>
> It would, except Ivy is probably going to move Ber->Sil to "plug the hole
> left by the Silesia disband".
You have all day tomorrow to talk him out of it :-)
> BTW, I hope you get a chance after the game
> to read S1914M press. It's rather quite amusing if I say so myself.
That is not the first time that someone has told me that the press that I am
missing is quite good! I feel so left out :-( I think Ivy just mentioned that
Jan 1 was a particularly violent day for press. I will try to read it, but
there will be so much of it. I may have to give up Diplomacy for 3 months just
to find the time :-)
> Oh, I asked him the following question. If the game were 12-12-9 and I
> (Italy) had Munich, would Roger support my army or let Ivy take it to win
> the tournament? His answer was he'd probably let Ivy take Munich since a
> 4-way would lower your JDPR and judge culture favors lesser draws. I'm
> curious what the real answer is?
I would say that it could go either way. I have voted for the 4-way draw twice
and am not married to the idea that the draw must be reduced at all costs. But
if you were stuck on just one center you would probably get eliminated. Ivy and
I have discussed how a game should end and he said he generally follows the rule
of trying to solo or going for the smallest possible draw. He could probably
talk me into it. It would be more about how the game should end rather than
JDPR. A 4-way or 3-way will make little difference to me, I will lose a few
points either way - no big deal.
In the end it might come down to my not caring about eliminating you, but
someone else refusing to vote for the draw and I finally offer the support just
to get it over with. Ultimately you may want to hold a couple centers, but your
chances of surviving go up more than linearly.
> Anyway, I'm rather not interested in having 3 centers that don't border each
> other. I've got that now and look what kind of a mess I'm in. I'd rather
> just have Kie and Mun than the 3 I've got now or the 3 you mentioned.
> Whether you leave me Ankara is up to you. You're free to take it if you
> wish.
>
Your three centers could be Warsaw, Moscow, and St. Petes ;-) :-)
Actually, I do understand your point. That is why you should probably just take
Kiel. The odds of my ending up in Ankara are greater than 50%. I think that
you should do it even if Nick gives you an ultimatium not to. I have gotten to
know him pretty well and I have played with him once before. I am very
confident that he would not throw the game when he could still take part in the
draw. The press might be hard to deal with, but you would be OK. Of course you
have to make your own assessment.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Italy to France
> > I'm curious what the real answer is?
>
> I would say that it could go either way.
>
I appreciate your candid answer. In a regular Dip game, I wouldn't even
have the asked the question. It's a no-brainer answer. However, in this
game and under my scenario, you would not win the tournament but Ivy would.
He would be crowned the champion and would be immortalized for life. Does
that change your answer?
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
> >
> > It would, except Ivy is probably going to move Ber->Sil to
> > "plug the hole left by the Silesia disband".
> >
> You have all day tomorrow to talk him out of it :-)
>
[*chuckle*] Nick did it for me. {grin}
> > BTW, I hope you get a chance after the game
> > to read S1914M press. It's rather quite amusing if I say
> > so myself.
>
> I think Ivy just mentioned that
> Jan 1 was a particularly violent day for press.
Yep, all part of S1914M press.
> I will try to read it, but
> there will be so much of it. I may have to give up Diplomacy
> for 3 months just to find the time :-)
>
Trust me, it's a book you won't be able to put down.
In fact, I have an idea. Doug, who owns the rights to the showcase press?
What a helluva movie (or play) that would make. I can just picture 7 guys
huddled around their computer with Dip boards setup all over the house
checking their email daily, hourly, minute-by-minute. The screams of
frustation and joys of success as each player reads the results. And with
Hollywood involved, the email could be state-of-the-art 22nd century where
you don't just type but you actually talk and can see your fellow dipper
(kinda like video conferencing). Roommates, wives, girlfriends, observers
all part of the mix.
Do you think Jack Nicholson would be interested in the part of Russia?
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>He would be crowned the champion and would be immortalized for life.
>Does that change your answer?
I did take that into account in my answer. My first impulse is to shrug
and say no that it would not. But I would have to be in the situation
to know for sure. I suppose that if I went down to 12 and Ivy went up
to 12, that would make me the tournament winner (at 12-12-9-1). I do
have this nasty pride thing that I try to supress. It may override my
other impulse, which is that it is just a name on a web page somewhere.
I do not see that exact scenario happening. There are too many other
things that can, and as this game has shown, will happen.
>What a helluva movie (or play) that would make. ...
LOL. I am not sure that I want the world to know what a geek I am :-)
>Do you think Jack Nicholson would be interested in the part of Russia?
A fitting choice. Can I request Jim Carrey to play France? Maybe it
might be Martin Short.
>And with
>Hollywood involved, the email could be state-of-the-art 22nd century
where
>you don't just type but you actually talk and can see your fellow
dipper
>(kinda like video conferencing).
They might have to cut getting up in the middle of the night in our
underwear to check the results (because we could not wait for the
deadline). Hey wait, that would be Hollywood (given the right actors
:-)
OK, back to Diplomacy.
>> > "plug the hole left by the Silesia disband".
> >
> >You have all day tomorrow to talk him out of it :-)
>
>[*chuckle*] Nick did it for me. {grin}
Excellent! That means that you will be moving to Galicia and Silesia
then? :-)
Should I presume that there is now peace and that I am facing a EIR
again? (At least until someone tries to eliminate you :-) Is Vienna
still willing to help keep Russia in check?
I have been pretty upfront with you lately. In fact, since the Fall
1912, I have been upfront and honest with everyone. Let me ask you how
you want the game to end? I assume that you prefer a 4-way draw. I
will not vote for that now because I have a good shot at the solo. If
there is no shot at the 4-way draw, then what do you want to occur?
I realize that you would like Ivy to do well and Russia to not have
success. Unfortunately the only way for that to occur is an English
solo, which seems unlikely and a EF draw, which also seems unlikely.
Therefore the two reasonable options (other than the four-way) is EFR or
F solo. When it comes down to it, you should know which you prefer. If
you are willing to tell me, that would be helpful and interesting.
Which ever it is (assuming that you prefer not to say or really do not
yet know), you need to make sure that you are in position to cause it.
If it is the EFR, then you need to remove yourself from the stalemate
line (which unfortunately is contrary to the hope of the 4-way). Then
perhaps you need to be position where you could transfer your centers
which ever way you wanted, but be at the front. A difficult but no
impossible task. If it is the F solo, then you need to be in position
to damage Russia or England enough that I can force my way to the
centers that I need. I may not accept support or significant
coordination, due to the 1912 fiasco.
I realize that these questions may be farther out that you want or can
afford to think. But since I am the big threat, I get little mail of
substance and I have time to ponder these thoughts. :-)
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to England
Ivy:
Welcome back. I am regretting that I gave you so much freedom last
fall. You will establish your stalemate line so quickly. That part I
do not mind because I was not going to move North. But it forces me to
expend so many resources to hold my end of it. That still leaves Russia
quite open in the North. I did notice that he did not remove his units
in Scandinavia. That surprised me. Any reason that you know?
Can you establish your stalemate line a bit further back to give us each
some comfort zone?
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
So what do we do now? I guess that you will leave Kiel and Munich to
Ivy when he wants them. At least Sweden is protected. I was surprised
that you did not move to St. Petes and not Finland. Were you hoping for
a build? That seems like a mistake in that you cannot take Norway (if
you ever choose to) and protect St. Petes. I suppose that you could
simply move to St. Petes now.
Are you offering to trade Sev for Arm? That is quite a generous offer.
Why would you do that? Or were you just pulling my leg?
--King Roger XIII
PS: I might be willing to trade you two centers for one of your home
centers. I feel so left out never having occupied one :-) How about
Norway and Munich?
Message from Russia to France
Roger,
> So what do we do now?
We wait for everyone to set draw or submit moves, I guess.
> Are you offering to trade Sev for Arm? That is quite a generous offer.
> Why would you do that? Or were you just pulling my leg?
> I might be willing to trade you two centers for one of your home
> centers. I feel so left out never having occupied one :-) How about
> Norway and Munich?
Well I might consider trading Sev for say Arm, Rum and Tri, but as Nwy
and Mun are not yours to give, and I'm not adjacent to Mun, anyway,
that is not really a practical offer. I moved to Swe and Fin rather than
StP
to convince Ivy that I was not trying to take Nwy, since I was not.
Nick.
Message from England to France
King Roger,
>Can you establish your stalemate line a bit further back to give us each
>some comfort zone?
That's a reasonable request which I will grant, inasmuch as we have not
been engaged in any serious warfare for a long, long time. I will instruct
my admirals to stay close to the English shoreline in the North Atlantic,
Irish Sea, and the Channel, far away from your ships.
Ivy/Allen
Message from France to England
Ivy:
>I will instruct
>my admirals to stay close to the English shoreline
>in the North Atlantic,
>Irish Sea, and the Channel, far away from your ships.
OK, OK, you could have just politely told me to go jump
in the Mid-Atlantic Ocean :-) I may have to just
encourage you to look for one farther back ;-)
--King Roger XIII
Message from Italy to France
> A fitting choice. Can I request Jim Carrey to play France? Maybe it
> might be Martin Short.
>
I've contacted the agent for Bill Murray. He's all set to play the part of
Italy. The first choice for Italy, Roberto Benigni, was unavailable. Pity.
>
> OK, back to Diplomacy.
>
> Excellent! That means that you will be moving to Galicia and Silesia
> then? :-)
>
Wellllllllllll, maybe.
> Should I presume that there is now peace and that I am facing a EIR
> again?
>
Quite the contrary. Nick's hard stand has only helped to move us further
apart.
>
> If there is no shot at the 4-way draw, then what do
> you want to occur?
>
The only outcome I have interest in is a 4-way draw. Barring that, I don't
care how the game ends.
>
> Therefore the two reasonable options (other than the
> four-way) is EFR or F solo. When it comes down to it,
> you should know which you prefer. If you are willing to
> tell me, that would be helpful and interesting.
>
Given the two choices, I would have no preference.
> I may not accept support or significant
> coordination, due to the 1912 fiasco.
>
Understandable.
Ivy and I had a little chat. I had asked him what he thought the French
orders would be. His reply was the obvious. My thought was a bit more
subtle. It also would require no significant coordination.
pie-tus
wes-tys
tun-ion
gre-aeg
sets Tuscany up to convoy to the eastern front. The disadvantage is it
leaves Ser/Tri/Tyr weakened. The advantage is it gets Marseilles to the
Balkans or Turkey in one year.
> I realize that these questions may be farther out that you want or can
> afford to think. But since I am the big threat, I get little mail of
> substance and I have time to ponder these thoughts. :-)
>
I'm a chess player. I'm accustom to thinking farther out than you care to
imagine.
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto/Mr. Murray:
>Given the two choices, I would have no preference.
Fair enough. So I guess the goal is to take some
Northern centers, weaken Russia and keep me hovering near
to the solo.
>sets Tuscany up to convoy to the eastern front.
>The disadvantage is it leaves Ser/Tri/Tyr weakened.
>The advantage is it gets Marseilles to the
>Balkans or Turkey in one year.
I thought about that. It also has another disadvantage
in that I may not be able to hold Pic/Bur/MAO. It might
just come down to guesswork.
Please let me know if Vienna is available, so I can make
a request. I need to decide what I will do first, but if
I know that it is busy, that helps form my plans.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Italy to France
>
> Please let me know if Vienna is available, so I can make
> a request. I need to decide what I will do first, but if
> I know that it is busy, that helps form my plans.
>
It is available. I will need to know prior to 5:00 pm Pacific time what to
do. I can't promise I'll have time to read my mail once I get home.
Bill
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I will try to squeeze some time into looking at the map, but it may be
tough to do so before 5 Pacific. As default I ask if you would just
attack Budapest? That breaks some potential supports. The only
downside is that you cannot support Vienna to hold. Were you planning
that?
--King Roger XIII
Message from Italy to France
>
> The only downside is that you cannot support
> Vienna to hold. Were you planning that?
>
It was an option I was considering.
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
My request is vie -> bud. I do not see Russia attack you this turn. If
you are unwilling, then I guess support Ven to Tri, allow I may not even
make the move. If you say no to vie -> bud, I will try you later,
knowing you may not answer
KR
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I might as well ask for everything :-) Can you order Vie -> Bud, Boh ->
Gal. Bill Murray would probably even order Mun -> Ruh, but that is
probably too much for you :-) The other two keep Russia from growing
enough to get confident and bold. The third slows down Ivy, so he is
less settled and will have to wait before considering options for
eliminating you. If Mun->Ruh is too much, at least hold and do not
attack Burgundy either. :-)
I know that this is after 5:00. My last message was 10 minutes to 5,
probably too late also. But your message to me did not state what A Vie
would do. I will have to assume Vie -> Bud and hope for the best. I
will check just before the deadline when I turn in orders. I still have
no idea what I will do. Figuring it out has been very low priority.
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I guess that support Ven to Tri is not useful.
The only thing that would be really useful is to attack Budapest. Boh
to Gal actually protects Vie. I was asking about it for the minimal
chance that Rum would not be dislodged. But it makes more sense for you
to do it for your own reasons.
I will submit orders hoping for Vie -> Bud (and Boh -> Gal). The attack
on Ruh was a joke. I know that you and Ivy are on friendly terms. You
might want to grab Kiel now and then support yourself to Munich in the
fall (or maybe move Boh there now, if I cannot convince you of the
wisdom of Boh -> Gal :-)
--King Roger XIII
PS: Can I have a ride in the Urban Assault Vehicle?
England: Army Berlin SUPPORT Italian Army Bohemia → Munich (*void*)
England: Fleet English Channel SUPPORT Army Holland → Belgium (*cut*)
England: Army Holland → Belgium
England: Fleet Irish Sea SUPPORT Fleet English Channel
England: Fleet Liverpool → North Atlantic Ocean (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Army Holland → Belgium
England: Fleet Norway HOLD
England: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Holland → Belgium (*cut*)
France: Fleet Brest → English Channel (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Bulgaria (south coast) → Aegean Sea
France: Army Burgundy → Ruhr (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Constantinople → Black Sea
France: Army Marseilles → Piedmont
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → North Atlantic Ocean (*bounce*)
France: Army Paris → Picardy (*bounce*)
France: Army Picardy → Belgium (*bounce*)
France: Army Piedmont → Tyrolia
France: Army Rumania → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) SUPPORT Fleet Western Mediterranean → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Trieste → Serbia (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea
France: Army Venice → Apulia
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean → Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Bohemia → Galicia
Italy: Army Munich → Silesia
Italy: Army Vienna SUPPORT Army Bohemia → Galicia
Russia: Army Albania SUPPORT Army Budapest → Serbia
Russia: Army Budapest → Serbia
Russia: Army Finland → St Petersburg
Russia: Army Galicia → Budapest
Russia: Army Sevastopol → Armenia
Russia: Fleet Sweden SUPPORT English Fleet Norway
Russia: Army Ukraine → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
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