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Message from France to England, Italy, and Russia
I can't seem to get to my e-mail account. I am sending this note via
another route, but cannot get messages. I am not sure what is wrong and
when it will be fixed.
--Prince Boar
Message from England to France, Italy, and Russia
OK, I'll bite. I am now setting draw.
Ivy
Message from France to England
Ivy:
See I told you that tactics was not my strength. I
thought I had the convoy to Belgium stopped. Like a
goofball I assumed that it was going through the North
Sea and support by the Channel. Nice job.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>Well, I'm confused... Care to explain?
paranoia on my part. I am not comfortable putting my
head in a ER noose after Italy is eliminated.
I also do not trust what Italy is doing, hence I am
trying to eliminate him as quickly as possible.
--Xavier
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I am open for suggestions. Obviously my plan in the
Spring was flawed. Of course, you were suppose to go to
Arm and BlS and not go to Vie. :-) My fault for not
actively coordinating with you I guess.
I figure the game is in your hands. I am willing to
coordinate my moves with you complete and risk your using
that against me. If you do, Russia will have a huge
advantage in that I am better positioned to deny England
growth than Russia. Hence I am willing to risk that you
do not want Russia to succeed at any cost, even more than
you might not want me to succeed.
Lay out a plan for discussion. We can go from there.
Feel free to include the entire board. I am also looking
for advice on how to hold Bur, Pic, and open up Par for a
build. I thought that I had the move to Belgium stopped,
but missed the obivous. I will have to choose again
which location to risk.
--Prince Boar
Message from England to France
>I have the Steelers Kicker on my team. Can you go talk to him and make
>certain that he stops missing so many FGs and for goodness sake, no
>missed extra points! :-)
Having Chris Brown has probably helped you a little. He has missed a lot,
but he has also made a lot. The Steelers are horrible in close and usually
have to settle for field goal attempts. Against the Jets, we were in
scoring range 7 times. One TD, 6 FG attempts.
>PS: I will be curious as to what gave my identity away?
I am only guessing and I could be wrong. I just matched your personality
with the personality of someone who did something thoughtful. Is that
vague enough to keep me out of jail and specific enough to answer your
question?
Ivy
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
>See I told you that tactics was not my strength. I
>thought I had the convoy to Belgium stopped. Like a
>goofball I assumed that it was going through the North
>Sea and support by the Channel. Nice job.
It hardly matters much. Belgium was Russia's, of course.
Russia seems to be indicating that you did not move as you led him to
believe. Is that so?
Ivy
Message from Russia to France
> >Well, I'm confused... Care to explain?
>paranoia on my part. I am not comfortable putting my
>head in a ER noose after Italy is eliminated.
>I also do not trust what Italy is doing, hence I am
>trying to eliminate him as quickly as possible.
To borrow a line from "Animal House",
*cough! bullshit! cough!*
Without Italian support you would lose Munich this
Fall, but as you would be gaining at least two Italian
Centers, that would not weaken you at all, and you
could build A Mar, and hold against anything we threw
at you. Mos-Sev, Tri-Ser, Smy-Con takes three Italian
Centers, while your attack only takes two, so clearly
you are NOT trying to eliminate him as fast as possible.
I may have been a fool to trust you, Prince Boar, but
I am neither blind, nor an idiot, and I would thank you
to not treat me as though I was.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II
Message from Master to all
Unless I misunderstood a 'press to m' by someone, everyone agrees
to switch to non-anonymous. I'll reveal identities for all seven
players in a couple of hours (giving the four of you a chance to say
"wait, wait, that's not what I said!").
Glad to put identity-policing behind me,
Doug
Message from France to England, Italy, and Russia
Although I have access, my e-mail is extremely slow, 5
minutes or more per click of the mouse. I will probably
not be able to do much until tonight. Sorry.
--Prince Boar
Message from England to all
>Unless I misunderstood a 'press to m' by someone, everyone agrees
>to switch to non-anonymous. I'll reveal identities for all seven
>players in a couple of hours
Doug, please include addresses and times when players will be home alone.
Ivy Wingo (my real name)
Message from Italy to France
>
> I am open for suggestions. Obviously my plan in the
> Spring was flawed. Of course, you were suppose to go to
> Arm and BlS and not go to Vie. :-) My fault for not
> actively coordinating with you I guess.
>
Pretty much. I was fully prepared to hand the game to you this spring
before you disbanded the fleet. I had no choice but to assume you and
Russia were still planning to split this game somehow. I just figured if
you didn't want me to go there, perhaps there was a reason. It look to me
like you were trying to position my units so FR could attack them without
giving them a retreat. By bouncing you in Vienna, now you can't get the
Tyrolian army to Budapest via Vienna without somebody covering Vienna. That
gives me better hope that Budapest could retreat if I was so inclined.
> I figure the game is in your hands. I am willing to
> coordinate my moves with you complete and risk your using
> that against me. If you do, Russia will have a huge
> advantage in that I am better positioned to deny England
> growth than Russia. Hence I am willing to risk that you
> do not want Russia to succeed at any cost, even more than
> you might not want me to succeed.
>
The risk, in this case, would be well worth taking for you.
> Lay out a plan for discussion. We can go from there.
> Feel free to include the entire board.
>
I will take a look and let you know what I find.
Roberto
Message from Master to all
Okay, here it is:
Austria: Randy Hudson
England: Allen Schweinsberg
France: Roger Yonkoski
Germany: Rich Olver
Italy: Ken Lofgren
Russia: Eric Hunter
Turkey: Jeff Stephens
Feel free to continue using your assumed names or address each other
by name.
FWIW, the observers to this game (primarily Karlis Povisils and Jim
Burgess, I think) have had Allen, Roger, and Eric picked out for
quite some time. Of course, they were actually *trying* to do so.
Doug
Message from Russia to all
>Broadcast message from Master in 'titleist':
>Okay, here it is:
>Austria: Randy Hudson
>England: Allen Schweinsberg
>France: Roger Yonkoski
>Germany: Rich Olver
>Italy: Ken Lofgren
>Russia: Eric Hunter
>Turkey: Jeff Stephens
Does this mean the semifinal results will finally be
revealed??? 8-)
Eric.
Message from Master to all
In this era of glasnost, one or more players have requested that the
semi-final games be revealed. I'll do so, again, by unanimous private
vote only.
Doug
Message from Master to all
usin@thekleimans.com said:
>In this era of glasnost, one or more players have requested that the
>semi-final games be revealed. I'll do so, again, by unanimous private
>vote only.
Vetoed!
Doug
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I am truly insulted. Really. It is not that you do not trust me, I
understand that part. But do you think that I am truly that
incompetent? (Perhaps I do not want to hear the answer :-)
If Italy and I were working together do you think that we could not have
come up with any better orders than that???? I know that tactics are
not my strength, but Roberto is pretty good. And together we could not
be that lame.
I am sorry for deceiving you. I actually ordered exactly as I
originally told you that I would. I decided that I preferred to support
myself and not your army to Serbia. Given all your moves, I would have
been in a tight spot had I not. I knew that. I did not have the energy
to argue with you about it. OK as an ally I erred seriously in that I
did not talk things out and try to work towards a mutually agreeable
solution, I merely did exactly what I wanted to do. That was bad, and
deceiving you was bad. But I did not want to get stuck at 10-10-14. I
want 8-9-17 or 9-9-16 and security.
There are still many options for nearly eliminating Italy this season.
But it is probably not likely to happen. If we both just do our own
thing, we will end up where we want to be. We just do not have to sweat
all the worrying about it.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Any plan that I can come up with ends up with me having 17 centers.
There is a slight chance that I could get end up with Budapest, but that
is unlikely. So we need a plan that maximizes our position for next
year.
These seem obvious?
Con -> Ank
Aeg -> Con
BlS -> Sev
Bul s Rum
Sil -> Ber
Pie -> Ven
Wes&Spa s MAO
Tyr -> Tri s by Ser seems likely
There are still a lot of options in both the south and north.
Russia will probably order:
Ukr -> Rum
Mos -> Sev
Gal -> Bud s by Tri??
We could order Bud -> Vie s by Boh on the hopes that he orders Gal ->
Vie s by Tri, which would fail and I end up with Bud and 18? Else you
would end up with 3 centers/units left. I could try and collect
Bulgaria next year without losing any other net centers? May we should
consider trying to maximize your units since they are at the front while
my one new unit would be stuck in Mar. I could leave you Con as well?
What do you think the odds of my getting 18 this year?
In the North what about:
Mun s Bur
Bur s Mun (w/ Sil -> Ber)
Bre s Pic
Pic s Bur
Par -> Gas
(MAO,Wes,Spa,Bre,Pic,Bur,Par,Gas forms an unbreakable line even if I
lose Munich)
--Prince Boar
PS: I did set draw last phase, but Russia told me he would not so I did
not bother to ask Ivy to do so. Russia also told me that he was the one
that did not set draw last year. For what it is worth.
PPS: I fully accept your comments that I made this harder on myself by
both my disband and my lack of cooperation in the spring. In the end,
the thing that I was hoping to gain from it (betraying Russia in the
fall and not the spring) I threw away anyway. I am trying to set a
record for the most mistakes made in one Diplomacy game? How do you
think I am doing?
Message from France to England
Ivy:
>Russia seems to be indicating that you did not move as you led him to
>believe. Is that so?
Yes.
I moved as I originally told him that I was going to move. He of course
modified my plan. I argeed to it but kept my orders as originally
stated. It was easier than arguing with him.
I suspect that this season we will not have to argue at all as there
will be no discussion :-) I guess this is too bad, but I deserve it.
--Prince Boar
Message from Russia to France
Roger, My Friend,
> I am truly insulted. Really. It is not that you do not trust me, I
> understand that part. But do you think that I am truly that
> incompetent? (Perhaps I do not want to hear the answer :-)
Actually, I did trust you. That's why I was hurt by your betrayal.
> If Italy and I were working together do you think that we could not have
> come up with any better orders than that???? I know that tactics are
> not my strength, but Roberto is pretty good. And together we could not
> be that lame.
Roberto is difficult to work with at the best of times, and his moves
still seem pro-French in an intentionally ambiguous way.
> I did not want to get stuck at 10-10-14. I want 8-9-17
> or 9-9-16 and security.
You're likely to get 14-8-8-4. Will you be happy with that?
> There are still many options for nearly eliminating Italy this season.
> But it is probably not likely to happen.
Given that you can solo this year with Italian cooperation, it exceedingly
unlikely.
> If we both just do our own thing, we will end up where we want to be.
> We just do not have to sweat all the worrying about it.
Really? Where I want to be is in an RF two-way, where I'm going to
end up is an EFIR four-way draw. That's not where I want to be, at all.
Eric.
Message from Italy to France
> Any plan that I can come up with ends up with me having 17 centers.
Me too.
> These seem obvious?
> Con -> Ank
> Aeg -> Con
> BlS -> Sev
> Bul s Rum
>
I was thinking about bla supp rum - sev. You either get SEV or keep RUM.
It's a possibility. Gives you a chance to retain RUM should Russia and I
bounce there. :)
> We could order Bud -> Vie s by Boh on the hopes that he orders Gal ->
> Vie s by Tri, which would fail and I end up with Bud and 18?
Even that fails as Trieste I believe would have a retreat to Budapest.
> What do you think the odds of my getting 18 this year?
Slim, but if I wasn't so stubborn, I could probably find out ER moves this
year. They are trying to convince me to join them to stop the France solo
effort. What a riot?
> Russia also told me that he was the one that did not set draw last year.
I figured that out a long time ago.
> I am trying to set a record for the most mistakes made in one Diplomacy
> game? How do you think I am doing?
I think you are still trailing me by a substantial margin.
I haven't had the time tonight to look at the board. Wife goes to class on
Tuesdays and I get stuck, I mean, take care of the child.
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I have an idea for getting to 18 this year. It
assumes that Russia will use Gal in the south. And I
am guessing that England will order Ruh -> Mun s by
Ber
We order Mun -> Ber s by Sil
Bur -> Mun (perhaps supported by Boh just in case)
If Russia were to use Galicia to attack Silesia, then
we could get to 18 by ordering
Bud -> Tri s by Ser
Tyr -> Vie s by Boh
What do you think? It would be nice to end this thing
now and get on with our lives.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to England, Italy, and Russia
I again cannot get to my e-mail account! I am now
connected from yahoo. I should be able to get mail
there now. Anything sent last night or early this
morning, I have not seen. I am sorry for filling your
mailbox with problems concerning my e-mail.
France
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
How about the following:
France units hold and support
Mun -> Ber
Sil s Mun -> Ber
Bur -> Mun
Pie -> Ven
Tyr -> vie
Boh s Tyr -> Vie
Bud -> Tri
Ser s Bud -> Tri
Con -> Ank
Aeg -> Con
BlS -> Sev
Rum s BlS -> Sev
Bul s Rum
I would hold:
Turkey, Italy, France, Iberia, Tunis = 12
Gre, Ser, Rum, (Vie or Bud) = 16
(Bud or Ber) = 17
Mun ? = 18
Ber -> Mun s by Ruh could keep me at 17. We could
either hope for the best or you could try to encourage
Ruh -> Mun or Ruh -> Bur.
Thoughts?
--Prince Boar
Message from Russia to France
I sent this last night. Resending it now in case your
ISP ate it.
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Message from Russia to France in 'titleist':
Roger, My Friend,
> I am truly insulted. Really. It is not that you do not trust me,
> I understand that part. But do you think that I am truly that
> incompetent? (Perhaps I do not want to hear the answer :-)
Actually, I did trust you. That's why I was hurt by your betrayal.
> If Italy and I were working together do you think that we could
> not have come up with any better orders than that???? I know
> that tactics are not my strength, but Roberto is pretty good.
> And together we could not be that lame.
Roberto is difficult to work with at the best of times, and his moves
still seem pro-French in an intentionally ambiguous way.
> I did not want to get stuck at 10-10-14. I want 8-9-17
> or 9-9-16 and security.
You're likely to get 14-8-8-4. Will you be happy with that?
> There are still many options for nearly eliminating Italy this
> season. But it is probably not likely to happen.
Given that you can solo this year with Italian cooperation, it exceedingly
unlikely.
> If we both just do our own thing, we will end up where we want to be.
> We just do not have to sweat all the worrying about it.
Really? Where I want to be is in an RF two-way, where I'm going to
end up is an EFIR four-way draw. That's not where I want to be, at all.
Eric.
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>They are trying to convince me to join them to stop
the France solo
>effort. What a riot?
:-) Well they have to try, right? They probably know
that you realize that in the end this would just
result in an EFR rather than a F solo. As I stated
before, the game finish is in your hands.
>I haven't had the time tonight to look at the board.
Wife goes to class on
>Tuesdays and I get stuck, I mean, take care of the
child.
I feel your pain, in triplicate! :-) If you want
fun, try bringing three kids to Target, at night, near
Christmas, to get a gift for Mom. All they want is to
look at the toys and it is hard to pick up all three
and carry them off. It is lucky that the oldest can
sometimes be reasoned with :-)
Take your time. I sent some possible orders earlier
this morning. I hope that you got them (I am unsure
about my e-mail these days). I like your idea of Rum
-> Sev. It seems to increase the odds of getting to
18.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I managed to get your message (barely). Darn AT&T.
OK, we are in a pickle. If you feel that you must try
and work with Italy, then that is your choice. Either
way I will continue on my path of taking my share of
the centers. You may end up losing by not getting the
centers you need.
If you have a way out of it, I am willing to listen.
--Prince Boar
PS: Hey, I just got the resend of your mail. Thanks
for taking the time to send it! Either you are a
great guy or you wanted to make sure that I felt
guilty by reading it! I suspect a bit of both but I
will assume that it was mostly the former.
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
>OK, we are in a pickle. If you feel that you must try
>and work with Italy, then that is your choice. Either
>way I will continue on my path of taking my share of
>the centers. You may end up losing by not getting the
>centers you need.
You already have your share of the Centers, plus a few
of mine. 8-) 14-10-10 gives you a clear claim to the
Tournament Championship, and a result that Jim-Bob
Burgess maintains is appropriate for an expert game. 8-)
Trying for the Solo, or even 16 or 17 Centers, is
likely to get you a four-way, because I won't be able
to eliminate Italy if you're threatening to Solo, and
I'll have to support him to keep you from soloing.
>If you have a way out of it, I am willing to listen.
Ser S Rum-Bul, Con S Rum-Bul, Aeg S Con has potential,
I think.
>PS: Hey, I just got the resend of your mail. Thanks
>for taking the time to send it! Either you are a
>great guy or you wanted to make sure that I felt
>guilty by reading it! I suspect a bit of both but I
>will assume that it was mostly the former.
Communication is the key to survival and success in
Diplomacy, and if I can guilt you into letting me
eliminate Italy, it's better for both of us. ;^}
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>Ser S Rum-Bul, Con S Rum-Bul, Aeg S Con has
potential,
I see that you are choosing suggestions that do not
require our active cooperation. A wise place to
start.
>10-10-14
The problem with that is how do I prevent that from
turning into 12-12-10, then 14-14-6, then 17-17-0?
--Prince Boar
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Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
> >Ser S Rum-Bul, Con S Rum-Bul, Aeg S Con has
> >potential,
>I see that you are choosing suggestions that do not
>require our active cooperation. A wise place to
>start.
It was more that it destroyed F Bul/EC and gave
me Rum and/or Sev. 8-)
> >10-10-14
>The problem with that is how do I prevent that from
>turning into 12-12-10, then 14-14-6, then 17-17-0?
Whom do you trust more, me, or Ivy? Whom do you think
that I trust more? I know that I can work to a two-way
with you. I know nothing about Ivy/Allen. Even given
the EIR pressure in the West, can your defense of
France be cracked? If I push too far in Austria, how
long will it be before Ivy attacks Swe/StP/War? Is it
worth it to me to risk the loss by pushing for a
two-way or solo, when a three-way with you and Allen
will substantially boost my JDPR, and give me bragging
rights for years to come? ;^} I was the 5th ranked
player in this game, and I was playing Russia, a
country that tends to Solo quickly, or lose, rather
than draw, so a three-way is a good result, as far as
I'm concerned.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Italy to France
>
> I sent some possible orders earlier
> this morning. I like your idea of Rum
> -> Sev.
>
Your orders this morning included:
> BlS -> Sev
> Rum s BlS -> Sev
I'm confused by what appears to be two opposing statements. Could you
clarify please?
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>Could you clarify please?
Gladly
I first sent this (early in the morning):
> BlS -> Sev
> Rum s BlS -> Sev
Then when I read your message, I said this:
> I sent some possible orders earlier
> this morning. I like your idea of Rum
> -> Sev.
>
Basically I decide that I liked your suggestion more
than mine.
What did you think about my complete set of orders,
with that adjustment?
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>Whom do you trust more, me, or Ivy? Whom do you
>think that I trust more?
That is kind of like asking which you like better
mixed in with your tuna fish, peanut butter or
marshmallow. You can choose, but do you like either
of them :-)
My point is that you probably do not trust either of
us. :-)
I am much more willing to agree to any plan that
accomplishes two things:
1) allows our units to act independently
2) allows us to separate our units
I admit that your suggestion does contain both
elements. I want to build one more unit:
+Ser, +Con, +Bul, -Rum, -Bud, -Mun
I seem to be one short. Any suggestions?
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Recent discussions with Russia may make it possible
for one of our bets for #18 to pay off. He bascially
wants me to focus on eliminating your units and let
him have most of your centers. If he moved as I would
guess based on what he asks me to do, we may get that
#18 (with my proposed orders).
When are you likely to settle on a set of orders? I
am not rushing you, I just need to know if I need to
make time tonight to discuss it, and when would be the
best time for you.
--Prince Boar
PS: Did you want me to restate the movement proposal
or can you parse it together from my other statements?
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Message from Italy to France
>
> When are you likely to settle on a set of orders? I
> am not rushing you, I just need to know if I need to
> make time tonight to discuss it, and when would be the
> best time for you.
>
I recently settled on a set of orders. Russia opened his mouth one too many
times.
The following orders accommpany this note:
f bla s rum - sev
a bud - tri
a sil s a mun - ber
a boh s a tyr - vie
f bul holds and rejoices that the game may finally come to an end
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Thanks for the note! I just wanted to verify one
order:
>f bul hold
I assume that Russia is ordering Mos -> Sev s by Ukr
Gal -> Rum. If that is true, he can only take one of
Bud/Rum! So holding seems good. I guess that he
could also order Gal -> Bud, Ukr -> Rum, Mos -> Sev.
If that was the case, Bul -> Rum would be best. What
do you think that Russia is likely to do? You may
know based on your discussions. I will let you make
the assessment and choose, there is really no reason
to debate it between us, unless you want to. I am
trying to save you time and effort :-)
--Prince Boar
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Message from Italy to France
>
> I assume that Russia is ordering Mos -> Sev s by Ukr
> Gal -> Rum. If that is true, he can only take one of
> Bud/Rum! So holding seems good.
And Bul - Rum does no harm.
> I guess that he
> could also order Gal -> Bud, Ukr -> Rum, Mos -> Sev.
> If that was the case, Bul -> Rum would be best.
Correct.
The risk would be that Russia does not order a unit to Rumania AND does not
double-support himself to SEV. In that case, I would end up in Rumania.
I'll flip the proverbial three-headed coin with two of the sides being
BUL-RUM and one-side being BUL hold. If either of us gets further
information, the number of sides to the coin can be increased or decreased.
> What do you think that Russia is likely to do?
>
Russia is not likely to tell me his orders. Even if he did, I wouldn't
believe them for a second.
As to what I think he will do? I can't imagine him not trying for SEV.
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
>
> The risk would be that Russia does not order a unit to
> Rumania AND does not
> double-support himself to SEV. In that case, I would end up
> in Rumania.
>
Even that's not entirely correct as I couldn't get to Rumania unless you got
to SEV. Puts us back at having to take Berlin and keep Munich in order for
18 to occur.
The risk would be UKR supp MOS-SEV and GAL supp BUL/ec-RUM.
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I cannot see Russia not doubly supporting himself and ordering nothing
to Rumania. He should do one or the other. Therefore Bul -> Rum seems
best.
Rum -> Sev is very likely to bounce.
The best we can hope for is:
Ukr s Mos -> Sev
Gal -> Rum
which allows me to have both Vie and Bud, another way to 18 and an
ending.
I trust your instincts (more than mine). Do what you think best.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I will give your request some very serious thought. If I cannot come up
with something better, I will likely go with it. I had already
considered options similar to it. I want to make certain that I do not
lose that army in Rumania.
Best of luck to you.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I have not heard from you? I hope that you are doing well.
See you on the otherside of tonight.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to France
This is my end of year statement for 1912, Part A
I am writing it as I turn in fall orders.
I told Italy in the spring that I would take the ending he wanted. I
was sincere about it. It was because I felt badly about some fall out
between us due to my 1911 Broadcast. A careless mistake. I have lost a
lot of desire to go on playing this game. I hope that it ends this
year. Italy told me he wants a French solo so there will not be a
Russian participation in any draw. I have choosen to trust him.
If it turns out that I am wrong, I will go with plan B. I will try to
eliminate Italy and fall back enough that Russia will eventually take
him out. I will then propose a FRE draw, perhaps with a randomly
determined winner.
If I am perfectly honest, there is certainly a part of me that does want
the win and was glad that Italy choose that path. But it is not as big
a part as I would normally have. I do feel badly about betraying
Russia.
I wonder what surprises this turn will bring. I hope that my plan is
better than my spring plan.
Roger
Message from Russia to France
>you probably do not trust either of us. :-)
Completely? No, but it should be clear that I would
not have conspired with you to eliminate Italy, and I
wouldn't have tried to keep you at 13 or 14 Centers,
if I trusted Ivy to not eliminate me at the first
opportunity.
>I want to build one more unit:
>+Ser, +Con, +Bul, -Rum, -Bud, -Mun
>I seem to be one short. Any suggestions?
I'd suggest that you disband Mun when forced to
retreat. 8-) That would allow you to build.
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>I'd suggest that you disband Mun when forced to
>retreat. 8-)
Didn't you try that once? ;-)
Say have your heard from Ivy lately? It has been a while since I heard
from him. With you writing less, my mailbox is truly empty these days.
Oh well, I can worry about it in the morning. I need to catch up on
some serious sleep. Someone still does not have orders in (i do). I
hope that I will see the damage in the morning. It is my son's birthday
(our family's 4th B-day in less than two months!). With that and the
holidays, I am broke! If you have any spare Roubles, send them my way!
I see that we are getting about 4 Roubles to the Franc, so you better
send several.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Ah, I see that the deadline is tomorrow not tonight.
--PB
Message from France to England, Italy, and Russia
My orders are in without wait. Feel free to do the same when you can
(no pressure). Tomorrow is my son's birthday, so I will likely be
available during the day and then not until very late.
--Prince Boar
Message from England to France
>I have not heard from you?
But I did write. It was mostly a social note mentioning my son at the
University of Rochester. Did you not get it?
Ivy
Message from France to England
Ivy:
>But I did write. It was mostly a social note mentioning my son at the
>University of Rochester. Did you not get it?
I missed it and accidentally filed it with my other mail. I was not
able to get to my normal mail all day and was sending judge mail via a
new yahoo account. At home I download all my message for the day (that
I normally would have read via a web page). I confused it with the list
of messages that I was sending to both accounts.
You will have to let me know when you come to Rochester. I realize that
your time up here will be short and you will want to see your son, but
perhaps we can get together for lunch or something. Who knows, the
Steelers might be on TV? :-)
I hope that Titleist will be over by then. If not we can just agree to
not talk about it. We could talk about optics instead! By the way,
when I am not trying to conquer Europe, I am a Coating Development
Engineer at Kodak.
Time for bed.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Master
Doug:
I just wanted to give you a heads up that I may suddenly need an absence
for a personal matter. I am not certain when, or even if (hopefully).
If possible I will try to avoid a long extension. There is nothing for
you to do now, I just wanted to give you some warning.
Roger
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>>Hence I am willing to risk that you
>>do not want Russia to succeed at any cost, even more than
>>you might not want me to succeed.
>The risk, in this case, would be well worth taking for you.
*********
>I recently settled on a set of orders. Russia opened his mouth
>one too many times.
I smile when I think of these two comments together. On the one hand it
means that maybe the risk was larger than you suggested. On the other
hand it could mean that the risk was low because Russia would eventually
open his mouth again :-)
I thought that the orders were due tonight. I forgot that the retreats
pushed back the fall deadline a day. We can continue to discuss the
options if you like, but I am comfortable with our plan and see no need
to take too much of your time. Unless I hear from you, I will leave you
be. Normally long silences make me nervous (I figure that someone is
changing their mind). I will do my best to resist writing you just of
reassurance.
--Prince Boar
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
> By the way, when I am not trying to conquer Europe, I am a Coating
> Development Engineer at Kodak.
Ah, yes, Rochester/Kodak!
I am a mathematics professor at Bucknell University in Lewisburg, PA
I'm now racing off to give a 3-hour final exam this morning.
Ivy
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
>Say have your heard from Ivy lately?
It turns out Ivy is a University Math Prof, and it's
Finals week. He's been busy. 8-)
>If you have any spare Roubles, send them my way!
Sorry, Sergei is always demanding more money for that
damned TSR. (Trans-Siberian Railway, not Tactical
Studies Rules. 8-) It's a bit like being married,
no matter how much you make, your spouse always
manages to spend a little more than that. ;^}
Nick.
Message from Master to France
>I just wanted to give you a heads up that I may suddenly need an
>absence for a personal matter. I am not certain when, or even if
>(hopefully). If possible I will try to avoid a long extension. There
>is nothing for you to do now, I just wanted to give you some warning.
Okay -- keep me posted.
Doug
Message from Master to England and France
> By the way, when I am not trying to conquer Europe, I am a Coating
> Development Engineer at Kodak.
Trivia: the Rochester, NY area is #1 in the nation in patents-per-
resident, due largely to Kodak. Burlington, VT, is #5, due to my
employer, IBM. Do you have any personally, Roger? I have none,
despite my management and co-workers efforts to get me to do the
work involved in taking a good idea to the patent office.
Back to your regularly scheduled conquest . . .
Doug
Message from France to Master and England
Doug:
>Trivia: the Rochester, NY area is #1 in the nation
>in patents-per-resident, due largely to Kodak.
I think that Xerox also plays a very big part in that.
These two companies are typically in the top 10 in
patents most years. That may change with Xerox having
it's problems and selling/spinning it's Research
portion.
> Do you have any personally, Roger?
About 5. I am working 2-3 more. Taking an idea from
experiments to a patent is sort of like visiting the
dentist. It can be tedious and painful, but is often
necessary. We do it because it is the right thing to
do :-)
With that glowing endorsement, I am sure that you will
rush out and try to get involved in the process!:-)
Back to work now. :-)
Roger
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Message from Russia to France
Xavier, My Friend,
Would you be willing to not attack or support attacks
on my Centers before Italy is eliminated, if I agree
to work with you to eliminate Italy? Obviously, you
could make, and then break that promise, but I would
hope that you would not feel that was necessary. I'm
rapidly approaching the point where eliminating Italy
is becoming more important than securing a place in
the draw.
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I already thought that attacking Italian centers was the
plan? Of course you slipped your taking Rumania into the
plan. Actually Rumania is impossible for me to
hold long term anyway. I prefer Trieste. Let's trade.
If you can find a way to take Budapest and hold Vienna,
you will be a wise man. Actually I do not think that you
cant take Sev, Rum, Bud and hold Vie even if you trusted
me to move as ordered.
The possibilities are making my head spin.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Either Russia is really ticked off with you or else he is
trying to con me into not making the best moves. Perhaps
a bit of both. He expressed a strong desire to eliminate
you (but told me no details about your conversation).
If I agreed to not attack or support any attacks on his
units, what moves is he likely to make? Can we use that
information?
Perhaps you two should just not write each other, you
both would probably be happier. :-) Well either the game
will end tomorrow or else there may be a long delay. I
may have to go out of town suddenly and then there is the
holiday. Either way you can get a break from each other.
--Prince Boar
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
>The possibilities are making my head spin.
Yeah, they call it "Balkanization" for a reason,
don't they? 8-) I'm pretty dizzy myself.
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
The only way to eliminate Italy this year is the
following:
Mos -> Sev s Ukr
Con -> Ank
Aeg -> Con
Rum -> Bul s by Ser
Gal -> Bud s by Tri (opposite gets broke by Sil/Boh)
Tyr -> Vie
assuming that he does not order
Bul -> Rum s BlS
Bud -> Ser
or
Bud -> Vie s by Boh
I suppose that the latter could be dealt with by Mun ->
Boh. But then Sil -> Mun s by Boh would need to be
dealt with.
I think that it is too far fetched to actually try. And
that may give me 18 centers if Munich gets bounced and
not dislodged and Vienna is not bounced.
Balkan Blaster:
Add Bulgaria, Rumania, Budapest, Serbia into a blender.
Mix on high. Added chilled Greece and Trieste. Shake
gently and serve with a garnish of Vienna.
--Prince Boar
PS: Did Italy irritate you this morning or something?
Message from Italy to France
>
> If I agreed to not attack or support any attacks on his
> units, what moves is he likely to make? Can we use that
> information?
>
I would say he would move:
ukr supp mos-sev
gal supp tri-bud (or vice-versa)
Here are the moves he suggested I make
> F BLACK SEA-Ank
> A SILESIA-Mun
> A BOHEMIA-Vie
> F BULGARIA/EC-Rum
> A BUDAPEST S Tri-Ser
He attacks Budapest and I have no retreat since, presumably, boh/tyr bounce
in Vienna. You also attack Bulgaria and that fleet doesn't have a retreat.
He's trying to eliminate me by eliminating my units.
Both Ivy and I have had a hard time figuring out his agenda. He wants a
3-way draw but he must realize that's not possible. Got to be driving him
nuts.
If he double attacks BUD, I think you'll need both MUN and BER to get to 18
this year.
Roberto
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
>PS: Did Italy irritate you this morning or something?
Italy has made it his life mission to irritate me
since he left Rome, it seems. 8-) After you took
Serbia, and didn't support me to Sev, I naturally
wrote to EI, and said, "Whoops, France fooled me.
I'm a sucker. Can we work together to stop the
French Solo at this point?" Italy's response was,
"Send me a set of moves. I'll compare them with
France's suggestions, and decide what I'm going
to do. I won't offer moves; I won't agree to
moves; you'll just have to hope that your moves
are better for me than France's are." Followed
later by, "You need me to stop France, so I can
be a bastard, and there's nothing you can do
about it." (These aren't exact quotes, but they
convey the tone, spirit and content of his letters.
My thought was, "Well, I can see your smug face
eliminated before France solos." *shrug*
I'll look over your moves this evening, and get
back to you.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
If Russia orders Gal -> Bud s Tri, we could order Rum ->
Bud to bounce the Galacian amry and have two chances at
18. I think that Gal -> Bud is more likely than Tri ->
Bud because you can break Galician support from Bohemia.
He could also order Gal -> Bud, Tri -> Vie or of course
Tri -> Vie s by Gal.
Bud -> Tri s by Ser
Rum -> Bud
Bls -> Rum
Bul -> Rum
works for all of them except Tri -> Bud s Gal
What do you think?
--Prince Boar
Message from Italy to France
>
> Bud -> Tri s by Ser
> Rum -> Bud
> Bls -> Rum
> Bul -> Rum
> What do you think?
>
I think we should just leave the moves as is. If you don't hold Budapest,
I'm sure #18 won't be too difficult to come by next year considering England
will most likely have a disband as well.
The orders above actually are only different from what I have entered now by
the Black Sea fleet. If you're more comfortable with that move based on
your talks with Nick, I'll change it but I don't see tactically how it's any
better of guess than what we already have.
Roberto
Message from Italy to England, France, and Russia
My moves are in without wait......
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
>He's trying to eliminate me by eliminating my units.
Naturally. If he can bring you down to 1 or 2 units, then those units
combined with mine in the area would not be enough to get me to 18
centers. This is especially true if he has you denying me centers and
keeping me at 15 or 16. Then he can eliminate you before you can help
me win.
>Both Ivy and I have had a hard time figuring out his agenda.
Probably the above.
>I think we should just leave the moves as is.
>If you're more comfortable with that move based on
>your talks with Nick,
I have no information right now. I will go with your gut feel and stick
with the current plan.
If I get information that make me believe Nick will order Gal -> Bud,
will you be online tonight to make the change?
--Prince Boar
Message from Italy to France
>
> If I get information that make me believe Nick will order Gal -> Bud,
> will you be online tonight to make the change?
>
I will check my mail about 30 minutes prior to the deadline. However, I
don't have 'wait' set, so the moves could process before then.
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
No need to change the plan. Any attempt at trying to sway Nick may just
backfire. We will go with what we have.
I am looking forward to seeing the results. I realize that you could be
setting me up, but I said that I was putting the end game in your hands
and I am sticking with it. Winning would be nice, sure. But ending the
game asap is the biggest goal. I hope that you do not betray me because
the process of dancing with Russia to elimination would take too long.
Also, I like the idea of your surviving, your deserve that much, despite
what others might think.
Best of luck to us. My orders stand Ser s Bud -> Tri, Rum -> Sev, Tyr
-> Vie. It this does not work, feel free to make your best guess at
what units to disband, I trust your judgement. Ask me if you want an
opinion, but there is no need to slow down the game to get my opinion.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Master
Doug:
I am sorry that I caused the delay. I had an error in my last message.
I typed 'nowait' and not 'set nowait'
I cleared the error flag.
Roger
England: Army Belgium → Burgundy (*bounce*)
England: Army Berlin SUPPORT Italian Army Silesia → Munich
England: Fleet English Channel → Belgium (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Irish Sea → English Channel (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean HOLD
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Fleet English Channel → Belgium
England: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Italian Army Silesia → Munich
France: Fleet Aegean Sea → Constantinople (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Brest SUPPORT Army Picardy
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Constantinople → Ankara (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean HOLD
France: Army Munich → Berlin (*bounce, destroyed*)
France: Army Paris → Burgundy (*bounce*)
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT Army Paris → Burgundy
France: Army Piedmont → Venice
France: Army Rumania → Sevastopol (*bounce, destroyed*)
France: Army Serbia SUPPORT Italian Army Budapest → Trieste (*void*)
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Tyrolia → Vienna (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Italy: Fleet Black Sea → Ankara (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Silesia → Munich
Italy: Army Budapest → Serbia (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Bulgaria (east coast) → Rumania
Italy: Army Silesia → Munich
Russia: Army Galicia SUPPORT Italian Fleet Bulgaria (east coast) → Rumania
Russia: Fleet Holland → Kiel
Russia: Army Livonia → Prussia
Russia: Army Moscow → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Trieste → Vienna (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Italian Fleet Bulgaria (east coast) → Rumania
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