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England: Builds 1 unit
France: Builds 3 units
Italy: Removes 2 units
Russia: Removes 1 unit
Message from England to France
King Roger,
This is wonderful; my fondest wishes have come true. Now I get to try my
hand at diplomacy again. I feel useful.
Ivy/Allen
Message from France to England
Ivy:
>This is wonderful; my fondest wishes have come true. Now I get to try
my
>hand at diplomacy again. I feel useful.
If I did anything to help you become useful, I am very pleased. I guess
that now means that I will go back to being ignored? We can't all be
happy at the same time eh? :-)
Will I hear what that proposal is or was if it is not viable?
Any chance that I will not see a fleet in Liverpool?
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
What did you do? I tried to tell you to not give up your position! You
could have been at 10 centers and the #2 Kahuna. Given you superior
position in the south and that Ivy would have had to work with you, you
could have easily picked up 4 more centers in the south east.
As for my solo, that is highly unlikely. I cannot hold my positions in
the south east and cannot make any progress in the north west.
At least I accomplished my goal of simplifying things a bit. Italy is
down to 3 centers. You should be happy about that?
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Thank you for your orders. I went to be expecting you to only order a
portion of them. I did not see your message until a couple of minutes
ago. Sorry for holding in Bulgaria. I was expecting to go backwards
for a while. Now I have the problem of being the threat that everyone
will rally against.
I am thinking about moving out of Con, or will you insist on bouncing in
Ankara?
--King Roger XIII
Message from England to France
>I guess that now means that I will go back to being ignored?
I sure hope so.
>Will I hear what that proposal is or was if it is not viable?
It's not viable, and is best forgotten. Russia did what I hoped he would
do, but Italy's moves stunned me.
>Any chance that I will not see a fleet in Liverpool?
I don't think so. I will have to try to reform that line again.
Ivy/Allen
Message from Italy to France
>
> I am thinking about moving out of Con, or will you insist on
> bouncing in Ankara?
>
Depends. Which direction 'out' of CON are you referring to?
Message from Russia to France
King Roger,
>You could have been at 10 centers and the #2 Kahuna.
Yes, and you would have soloed. I'm not playing for
"2nd Place" to your solo. Sorry.
>Ivy would have had to work with you,
He's not working with me now! Why would he work
with me if I lied to him and stabbed him?
>As for my solo, that is highly unlikely. I cannot hold my positions in the
>south east
Oh, what a crock! I'm not blind, Roger, and I can
count. Italy is disbanding two, I'm disbanding one,
you're at 16 and building two. Even if I give Ivy
control of Scandinavia, and access to St. Petersburg
again by disbanding my Fleet your new Unit in Mar,
and WMed, Tun, Pie and Ven are all committed to the
East. So, IF I guess right, AND Italy does nothing
to help you, or hinder me, you'll have 17 and the end
of next year, with several chances to pick up your 18th.
>Italy is down to 3 centers. You should be happy
>about that?
Are you willing to promise not to solo before he's
eliminated? That would at least be a Pyrrhic victory
for me.
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>So, IF I guess right, AND Italy does nothing
>to help you, or hinder me, you'll have 17 and the end
>of next year, with several chances to pick up your 18th.
Well, I must admit that I have not even looked at the board. You are
forgetting my poor tactical skills. But if it is that easy, then I
should be able to figure it out. My impression is that it is not that
easy and that the three of you should be able to prevent my solo.
>Are you willing to promise not to solo before he's
>eliminated? That would at least be a Pyrrhic victory
>for me.
Maybe my 18 center will be an Italian one that you could support me
into? :-)
I still think that an ERF draw is a strong possibility. But before you
rail on me, I have not looked at the board ;-)
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I have yet to look at a map, so I am not sure where F Con would go.
Either BlS or Aeg, but I do not know which would make more sense. Would
your answer be different based on those two choices? Perhaps the bounce
is best?
Thanks for your help against Russia. It must be nice to see him
disbanding rather than building 3!
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to all
>Congratulations, Roger, you've talked your way into
>another Solo. *Eric shakes his head...*
I have my doubts that your prediction is correct. I have not studied
the map.
Glancing at the results I noticed that I could have ended the game this
last turn. But even if I had guessed all the moves that were made, I
made two promises that were important to keep.
Can someone explain to me why the bounce in Kiel occurred? I know that
it kept the Russian fleet out, but it seemed quite a risk to the units
in Munich and Berlin, with little benefit?
My adjustments are in. While the debate occurs on the others, I can
focus on some home things. If anyone needs French input let me know. I
would be happen to help you choose adjustments :-)
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Russia
Nick
>He's not working with me now! Why would he work
>with me if I lied to him and stabbed him?
Well, to not end up in Second place to my solo. I felt sure you were
pulling a balsy move of taking what you wanted and knowing that the
others had to take it or lose. Since they still had a chance to prevent
my solo, they would. I would never have the guts to do something like
that, but I have seen you do it before. (VGFP0012).
I think it would have been a matter of degree. But I do not know what
threats were made by Ivy, that you had to back off or else? So my
perspective is obviously flawed and biases to my limited impressions.
So what will you choose to do. Try to join/form a coalition to stop me,
knowing that may help Italy survive if I solo, or will you instead
choose to make certain that Italy is eliminated, whether I solo or not?
:-)
--King Roger XIII
Are you in Harrisburg? I think that I remember hearing that from
somewhere. We came down there last Easter to visit Hershey. The kids
enjoyed it. If I had known you back then, I could have gotten some
advice :-) I also interviewed once down the Interstate right before the
Maryland border. It was a small company named Adhesives Research. I
forget the small town they were in, but it was south of York. We could
have been almost neighbors! :-)
Message from England to France
King Roger,
>Can someone explain to me why the bounce in Kiel occurred?
It was a fortunate accident. Italy knew my moves, and I thought I knew
his. Berlin was supposed to hold, but at the last minute I decided that
Russia was going to grow too much (!) and I threw in Berlin->Kiel. It never
occurred to me that Italy might care one way or another. However, Roberto
took advantage of the knowledge of my moves and went for Kiel himself.
None of Italy's moves were what Nick and I expected.
I say it was a fortunate accident, because if either of us would have
succeeded in taking Kiel Nick would have had to disband two units instead
of one. As it is he having one of his patented fits. It's a bad one.
Ivy/Allen
Message from England to France, Italy, and Russia
I will be unavailable most of Sunday. I will be taking part in a Christmas
bird count.
Allen/Ivy
Message from Russia to France
King Roger,
> My impression is the three of you should be able to prevent my solo.
Oh, we certainly could, but the question is, will Italy do what is
necessary,
or does he view securing his own position as more important than stopping
you from winning, since the odds are high that stopping you could result in
his elimination.
> Maybe my 18th center will be an Italian one that you could support me
> into? :-)
Nope, sorry. I'll consider accepting support from you into Italian Centers,
but I will not throw the game to you just to punish Italy.
> I still think that an ERF draw is a strong possibility. But before you
> rail on me, I have not looked at the board ;-)
My reaction wasn't fully analysed and thought out, it was a gut-level
reaction
to the fact that both Italy and England felt that stopping me last Fall was
more
important than stopping you.
> Can someone explain to me why the bounce in Kiel occurred?
Ivy told Roberto that he was ordering Kiel-Hol, Ber Hold, to give Ber
a retreat if I attacked. Roberto decided to take the open center from me.
Ivy changed his mind and decided to order Ber-Kie.
> >He's not working with me now! Why would he work
>> with me if I lied to him and stabbed him?
>Well, to not end up in Second place to my solo.
He'd rather see a French Solo than an FR two-way. You have used my
idle dicussions about "best endings" against me, quite well.
> So what will you choose to do.
I don't know, at this point.
> Are you in Harrisburg? I think that I remember hearing that from
> somewhere. We came down there last Easter to visit Hershey. The kids
> enjoyed it. If I had known you back then, I could have gotten some
> advice :-)
Yes, my advice would have been to come in the summer, and enjoy
Hershey Park 8-).
Nick,
Message from Master to all
FYI, a picture of me wearing your gift (the sweatshirt, not the
golf balls) is on display at http://www.furrs.org/diplomacy/masseycon.htm .
Thanks again!
Doug
Message from England to all
>FYI, a picture of me wearing your gift (the sweatshirt, not the
>golf balls) is on display at http://www.furrs.org/diplomacy/masseycon.htm .
That's a nice looking gang you had there, Doug. I haven't played
face-to-face myself in over 15 years, but we have a game lined up at my
house on January 12. Karlis Povisils, who has never played face-to-face is
dropping by! I'm rather nervous about the event.
Allen
Message from Master to all
usin@thekleimans.com said:
>That's a nice looking gang you had there, Doug. I haven't played
>face-to-face myself in over 15 years, but we have a game lined up at
>my house on January 12. Karlis Povisils, who has never played
>face-to-face is dropping by! I'm rather nervous about the event.
First, a fair warning: Karlis is reading these broadcasts
as an observer to this game.
FTF is a strange animal. The killer for me is actually writing my
orders correctly. The first time I played FTF, I misordered in each
of the first four years. How embarassing. As Jim Burgess pointed
out, you get used to the Judge mechanism pointing out mistakes and
it becomes a crutch. Then when you actually have to write out each
move, convoy and support, it's so easy to make a mistake.
Just before handing in orders, I ask myself, out loud: "Are these orders
legal?" I check each one letter for letter, then hand them in. I
catch *so many* mistakes that way.
Secondly, FTF moves so much faster. You barely have time to discuss
tactics -- hell, you barely have time to think about them! I'm so
used to poring over a board and coming up with the perfect moves. In
FTF, I just try to make *legal* moves. :-)
So I think FTF experience is far more important than tactical skill.
Which means you're right to be nervous. :-)
Who else is playing?
Doug
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
(I sent these this morning, but messed up the signon command)
I hope that you will remove the fleet in the Black Sea and keep the
fleet in Armenia. That would us in a nice position of cooperation.
I realize that England (and perhaps Russia) are asking you to make the
ultimate sacrifice. Work with them to deny a French victory, knowing
that the odds are extremely high that this will lead to your
elimination. A tough choice to make I am sure.
Russia has similar troubles. If he will lose, he tells me that he wants
you eliminated first. Does he risk your surviving in a French solo or
does he make sure that you do not? I can't see why it matters so much,
but I am on the outside looking in.
I am resigned to the fact that this game will probably still end up an
ERF draw. I have felt that for a long time; just the road there has had
so many twists and turns in in.
Have a nice New Year;s Eve and be safe.
If you need to ask me anything, I shall be in and out all day.
--King Roger XIII
Message from England to all
Doug asked, "Who else is playing?"
The others are locals. Our mathematics department hired four new Ph.D.s
this past fall. Two of them, and the husband of a third, have played
before. Only Karlis and I have played e-Diplomacy.
Allen
England: BUILD Fleet Liverpool
France: BUILD Fleet Brest
France: BUILD Army Marseilles
France: WAIVE
Italy: REMOVE Fleet Armenia
Italy: REMOVE Fleet Black Sea
Russia: REMOVE Army Silesia
Centers
England: 8
France: 16
Italy: 3
Russia: 7
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