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England: Builds 2 units
France: Builds 2 units
Germany: Removes 3 units
Russia: Builds 1 unit
Message from Russia to all
>Movement results for Fall of 1907. (titleist.029)
>
>England: 8 Supply centers, 6 Units: Builds 2 units.
>France: 9 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 2 units.
>Germany: 0 Supply centers, 3 Units: Removes 3 units.
>Italy: 8 Supply centers, 8 Units: Builds 0 units.
>Russia: 4 Supply centers, 3 Units: Builds 1 unit.
>Turkey: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.
Hmmm, lied to, and/or stabbed by three different Powers,
and I still gained a Center. Interesting...
Message from Turkey to England and France
Gentlemen,
Well, it seems part of my predictions have come true. The two of you seem to
have forged a healthy alliance, you're both prospering well from it, and
Germany was quickly destroyed. Congratulations to you both.
Unfortunately, my Italian nemesis remains strong. I do not know why he has
decided to suicide against me, though I have some guesses. However, none of
them help me on the board. Clearly, he is counting on an eventual falling-out
between you, and is hoping that England will attack France soon.
So, I thought I'd drop you a line to encourage you both to stay the course.
There are still many centers for you both to gain by continuing to sweep
eastward. Conflict between the two of you is just as counterproductive for
both of you as it has ever been, if not more so.
Anyway, congratulations again, and I hope you will continue on in alliance
until you jointly control the remainder of the board.
Regards,
Ali
Message from Turkey to France
Prince Boar,
It sure looks like you're having a cakewalk against Italy. I'm glad to see
it. Roberto seems to be counting on the premise that he can destroy me before
you destroy him. At this rate, it looks like he may succeed. I urge you in
the strongest terms possible to continue against him, and I can only promise
to hold out as long as I can.
I repeat my message from my joint press in that I sincerely hope you and
England will continue in alliance. If you engaged in conflict with England
now, then Italy will be free to wipe me off the board. Once that happens, you
*know* he's going to try to regain his home centers. Far better for France to
eliminate him entirely, or at least drive him down to the point where he no
longer poses a significant threat to French interests.
Congratulations again, and I hope to see French armies in the center of the
board soon.
Ali
Message from England to all
Fredd,
I enjoyed our partnership. Seriously.
And we still have eight units between us!
Take care.
Ivy
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
Smooth sailing.
I've had no time to think about builds (probably a fleet and an army) or
moves for next year. I'll get back to you ASAP. Unfortunately I'll be
taking work home with me this evening.
Ivy
Message from Master to all
Thank you for playing, Germany. The end came much more suddenly
than I expected! Please write up an EOG statement and "press to m"
(or broadcast, if you prefer). You can also write one at game's
end, but I'd prefer one now, if it's not too much trouble.
Doug
Message from France to England
Ivy:
Yes, I too am very busy. I have had classes and/or
experiments for 7 work days in a row. Tomorrow is the
last day. Then of course all the meetings that have been
put off will hit on Friday. :-) I too brought work home,
I have to edit a 20 some page report rough draft. So
this will be short.
I too want to build an army in a fleet. In case we do
not get to talk, let's follow the same reasoning that we
discussed last adjustment phase.
I must admit that I think that you are in much better
position than I am. I have a 8 unit Italy which if I try
to do something about would just turn into a large
Turkey. Meanwhile you have nothing but a disjointed 3
unit Russia that was just betrayed on his backside. You
may have to exercise the same restraint that you asked of
me and be sensitive to the fact that your forces are so
much closer to my homeland than mine are to yours.
How has Nick taken your moves?
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
It was nice playing with you. It is too bad that we
never really had an opportunity to work together. After
the game we should still chat a bit about biking. Good
luck in future games and in all life's endeavors.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Congratulation on your continued progress against Turkey.
As promised, I took only the centers which you were
taking from Turkey. What exactly is your overall plan?
It would help if you could explain it to me.
I would like to negotiation a reduction in your size,
gradually as you press further east. Are you willing to
allow me to take one more center than you take from
Turkey? I might not be so interested in that if a
portion of your forces were centered in Russia where they
were a threat to England and not all staring back at me
in the Mediterranean. Perhaps if you answer my question
above (your plan), it would help me understand if this is
reasonable.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I am really ticked at Turkey. I was going to write him
and ask him not to do that, but I did not want to put the
thought into his head if he hadn't seen it. I guess that
was naive of me to think that he would not notice. The
real problem was he did not write at all.
Ignoring what a disappointed it was to you and being
purely selfish, it hurts me in that it makes England
without any serious threats. Given Turkey's move against
you, it will be hard for you to fight England.
I am sorry for his move to Denmark. He said that he was
planning it, but I did not know if he was lying to me or
not. I wanted to tell you, but the losses (war with
England) outweighed your gains (your good will). I was
just praying that Germany would bounce him from one of
Den/Swe and that Turkey would behave. Oh well, 50%.
Now what are your plans? What is Turkey telling you? He
cannot expect to hold Sev and Mos with that single army.
He has only bought himself time. Unfortunately for him
he may be less likely to have my help now.
Write as soon as you can and I hope that I was not one of
those your counted as betraying you.
--Xavier
Message from France to Turkey
Ali:
Thank you for your kind words. I hope that England and I
can keep things together. Unfortunately your move to
Moscow makes that harder. England now has nothing to
threaten him. You may have been better served giving up
that unit and then having me feel more secure so I could
have gone all out after Italy. England was always
holding me back, but with Germany gone I could have done
everything to hurt Italy. Now I have to worry about how
much to leave in defense of the potential stab by
England. I suppose that it was my fault for not
discussing it with you. Sorry for that.
As for your question on why Italy is suiciding against
you. I truly do not know, although it greatly favors me.
I think that it started as a threat to England: attack
France or I will let him grow and be dangerous. Now I
wonder if he simply wants to take your corner as a safe
haven in hopes of being in the draw.
What is your relationship/position with Russia. Is there
any chance of working with him to slow down England, or
at least allowing him to defend himself against England?
--Prince Boar
Message from France to all
I suggest that EoG statements be held private to the
end, but certainly can be sent to the master anytime.
Germany can of course broadcast anything
he chooses. I personally would like to know how
me managed all those dates in hot tubs! :-)
Seems like a more useful skill than knowing
stalemate lines!
France
Message from Germany to all
Germany EOG.
One message to cover the whole game. Boy that's a tough one, this
game has already taken much more time than I thought it would. So I'll
keep it short, or at least try.
The most important move of the game. That's easy. England going into
the North Sea. It forced me to pull back my attack on England, and to
pull out of helping England attack France. Of course, it's my belief
that that's exactly what England wanted. I was going to become too
powerful if I gobbled up Russia. Plus I believe that England had decided
that he couldn't get through France so might as well switch directions.
Every move he made from that move on was a swing of his forces toward
me. I knew it was coming, and made many attempts to counter, all to no
avail.
The most important date. Sept 11. It was during this spell that my
fate was sealed. I was pretty sure of the EF juggernaut in the west.
Therefore I needed builds right then. I approached Turkey about
supporting me against Russia, but he did not respond from Sept 11 until
the next moves processed. Obviously he didn't want to go in that
direction, but what really chapped my hide was that he spent weeks as
the silent type then he sent a message within hours of the moves
processing. I wouldn't talk to him the rest of my existence.
Friends or people that I enjoyed playing with. Nobody.
Austria and I must have exchanged 3 messages the whole game. Almost all
of my press to him went unanswered.
Italy - Decent enough except for my final move when he was supposed to
support me into WAR. Chalk up one more stab for Robbie.
Turkey - see above. What's the point of this game if you don't talk.
Russia - What a pain in the butt. Never could he be convinced of
mutually beneficial moves. Always he would go back to moves that would
solely benefit himself. This is why we fought the whole game. His last
laugh is that I'm out before him. My laugh is that he'll be gone very
very soon. I fail to see the difference.
England - I can see why he did what he did. He's much better off this
way. It'll be interesting to see if its him or France who wins.
I believe that he missed one of the best stab opportunities a little
while ago when he didn't attack France. I would have taken it.
France - Probably going to win. Playing a great game. Stalemated
Englands attack and got him to turn toward me. (I wonder how much press
it took to get England to go into the North Sea) He's also got Italy to
totally turn over his entire homeland to him. I wonder if he won't be
able to talk England into accepting 2nd place?
Fredd
Chow
richolver@home.com has resigned richolver@home.com
as Germany in game 'titleist'.
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
I think I will be building two armies and try to convoy them via Nth and Nwg.
There is a neutral zone from east to west -- Picardy, Burgundy,
Switzerland, Tyrolia, Bohemia, Galicia, Ukraine -- that almost splits the
board. I count 14 centers above that line and 19 below. [Sevastopol seems
more above than below.] Anyway, it's clear that a 17-17 split between us
will be very, very difficult. I would need to have a portion of Austria
apparently.
Let me know if you get any bright ideas.
Ivy
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
>I too want to build an army in a fleet. In case we do
>not get to talk, let's follow the same reasoning that we
>discussed last adjustment phase.
I am tired and I don't remember this reasoning. My database of
correspondence is only on my work computer, so I can't check until
tomorrow.
About the same time that you wrote your note, I wrote a note to you saying
that I was now thinking of two armies. That note got queued and is just
now being sent because of some e-mail problems at my work site.
>I must admit that I think that you are in much better
>position than I am. I have a 8 unit Italy which if I try
>to do something about would just turn into a large
>Turkey.
The grass is always greener. Italy will not defend. You are taking
centers by walking into them and that will continue. It is as if there
were no armies whatsoever in front of you.
>You may have to exercise the same restraint that you asked of me
Yes, I vote for restraint too. How is this for restraint: suppose we try
to end the next year with the same number of centers? I think I can get
two centers from Russia, but if you are completely stymied, I would
restrict myself to one. [I can't decide if I should append a smiley.]
>and be sensitive to the fact that your forces are so
>much closer to my homeland than mine are to yours.
I agree with you on the homeland business. The other side of the coin ( I
slip into cliches when I am tired) is this: you are much closer to the
remaining centers than I am.
>How has Nick taken your moves?
Nick is a gentleman. I like him. He has fought valiently from a weak
position for the entire game. I hope that I can get involved in some
non-gunboat games with some of this gang so that we can get to know each
other a lot better. My last non-gunboat game was great fun. My arch enemy
and I had a wonderful correspondence about work, family (mine), girlfriend
(his), etc.
Nick is still trying to get me to stab you. He claims that you have a much
better position than I do. 8-)
Ivy
Message from Germany to all
> Broadcast message from France in 'titleist':
>
> I suggest that EoG statements be held private to the
> end, but certainly can be sent to the master anytime.
Ya gotta love it. The person who has sent out more press than anyone
whom I've ever played against, wants to be a censor.
What could any EOG message say that hasn't been said in private many
times?
I thought I'd do it now. I doubt if I'll care at the end. This game lost
it's importance for me about 6 weeks ago. Not that I think there should
be an asterick after the winners name. The winner (who ever it is) will
have certainly earned the title.
Stab you later
I'm looking at getting my own hot tub ;-)
Freddy
Message from Italy to France
> Congratulation on your continued progress against Turkey.
> As promised, I took only the centers which you were
> taking from Turkey.
>
Quite frankly, you got lucky unless you knew Turkey would be moving to
Moscow. Had Turkey defended Rumania, I would have to disband and I probably
wouldn't be replying to this message. But, since I don't have to disband, I
won't hold it against you.
> What exactly is your overall plan?
To make sure than England does not win. He has consistently spread blatant
lies about my intentions and has suggested pathetically poor tactical
manuevers throughout the game (wes-spa/sc was one fine example). In my
mind, he has not negotiated in good faith. You wouldn't believe the latest
if you read it yourself. I'll paraphrase:
If you're holed up in Turkey, will you be willing to fight your
way west under the assumption that I [England] would be giving
you my centers towards the natural 17/17 stalemate line.
Uhhh, yeah right.
> It would help if you could explain it to me.
I hope that explains it well enough. Bottom line, I want you to win this
game as the most deserving participant. God knows, I don't deserve to win.
But I would settle for anybody but England.
> I would like to negotiation a reduction in your size,
> gradually as you press further east.
Careful here. A reduction in my size begins to let Turkey off the hook and
gives me less opportunity to hit Northern Russia. However, I could probably
afford to pull the EAS fleet if I had to.
> Are you willing to allow me to take one more center than you take from
> Turkey? I might not be so interested in that if a
> portion of your forces were centered in Russia where they
> were a threat to England and not all staring back at me
> in the Mediterranean.
I'd be happy to position my units whereever you like as long as Turkey's
elimination was the immediate goal.
I was thinking something like:
eas - syr
ion - eas
aeg s ion - eas
In the fall, you could support syr-smy. In return, you could take one of my
centers. We can discuss the second center you talked about in the fall.
Idalia
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
> I am really ticked at Turkey. I was going to write him
> and ask him not to do that, but I did not want to put the
> thought into his head if he hadn't seen it. I guess that
> was naive of me to think that he would not notice. The
> real problem was he did not write at all.
I'm sure you're not nearly as mad at him as I am. ;^}
I assumed he had noticed, and offered to tap Gal, so that
he could retake Rum, but I also assumed that he would
realize that at best it would delay his death by only a year
or two, and at worse make me side with Italy, and hasten
his demise. It was a phenomenally dumb move, in my
opinion, but then I seem blessed with opponents who
make those sorts of attacks on me in this game.
> Ignoring what a disappointed it was to you and being
> purely selfish, it hurts me in that it makes England
> without any serious threats. Given Turkey's move
> against you, it will be hard for you to fight England.
Well, at this point, my inclination is to order, War-Mos,
and let my German forces remain in Germany to work
with whomever makes me the best offer. There is no EF
stalemate line, and given Italy's behavior, you have and
will likely continue to have the advantage, so it's just a
question of does England stab you before you begin your
solo push, or not?
> Now what are your plans? What is Turkey telling you?
> He cannot expect to hold Sev and Mos with that single
> army. He has only bought himself time. Unfortunately
> for him he may be less likely to have my help now.
I'll be talking to everyone while you and Ivy are
deciding on your builds. Turkey hasn't written or replied
to my letters in some time, though I haven't written to him
since these moves came through. He's lost any chance of
my help, as well. 8-)
> Write as soon as you can and I hope that I was not one
> of those your counted as betraying you.
Well, you did lie to me about going slow in Italy, and
I guess in the bigger sense regarding the EF plan once
Germany was eliminated, but I don't really see that as a
betrayal. You may have convinced Ivy that if he attacked
me, you'd continue to work with him and not take the solo
he is handing you, but he's still the one who attacked, and
he should be able to look at the position, and realize that
he needed me strong as much or more than you did.
Nick.
Message from France to England
Ivy:
The logic last year was that you did not want any of my
armies in the North and that you preferred a fleet in
Brest to an army in Paris. Hence my plan is a fleet in
Brest and an army in Marseilles. Let me know if you have
major problems with this.
I see your point about risk versus opportunity. Yes, I
am closer to the supply centers that are not owned by
either of us. The supply centers that you have best
access to happen to be mine :-) :-)
Let me count to 17: England (3), Lowlands (5),
Scandinavia (8) Russia (12) Germany (15). So you would
need part of Austria or Turkey. Rumania and Vienna seem
reasonable, but we can be flexible. If need be, you may
take Brest. Let's not hand that one over just yet,
however. :-) :-)
To accomplish your part you will need armies into Russia
and Germany. I of course prefer them to shuttle in
through Scandinavia and not the Lowlands.
--Prince Boar
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
> Hence my plan is a fleet in
>Brest and an army in Marseilles. Let me know if you have
>major problems with this.
That's fine.
>To accomplish your part you will need armies into Russia
>and Germany. I of course prefer them to shuttle in
>through Scandinavia and not the Lowlands.
I am thinking of convoying one army to Norway, but the other to
Holland. In order to guarantee Kiel this year, I think I need Hol->Ruhr
and Lon->Nth->Hol in the spring. I suppose I could settle for just Sweden,
but that would give me exactly one build. We would then be even. However,
don't you think we should both be more aggressive this year than 1 for me
and 0 for you?
Actually, I would be content with 2 new centers each for us this
year. Next year we might contemplate giving me Munich and that could be
the catch-up year. It's a little premature for that discussion though. At
the rate we are going, the 2002 tournament will start before we are
finished with 2000.
Ivy
Message from Master to France
You have "wait" set; if you're finished negotiating, please clear
the flag with "set nowait". I'm not pushing you to do so; I'm just
trying to move the game along if we're all just waiting around for
the turn to process.
Thanks!
Doug
Message from France to Master
Doug:
Thanks for the note. I had set wait on while waiting to
here back from England. I have done so, so I will
remove
the wait.
Roger
England: BUILD Army Edinburgh
England: BUILD Army London
France: BUILD Fleet Brest
France: BUILD Army Marseilles
Germany: REMOVE Army Silesia
Germany: REMOVE Fleet Skagerrak
Germany: REMOVE Army Tyrolia
Russia: WAIVE
Centers
England: 8
France: 9
Italy: 8
Russia: 4
Turkey: 5
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