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Italy: Builds 2 units
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from England to all
Hats off to Austria, for he is one of us.
Most of the rest of us will be joining you in good time, my friend.
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to France
Dauphin,
I gave it some thought, but finally decided that you and Italy were too
tight. The last move, in which Italy knew that he could have Spain if he
wanted it, only confirmed my feeling about FI.
I think that Italy betrayed Turkey, but I am not certain.
Ivy
Message from Austria to all
> Most of the rest of us will be joining you in good time, my friend.
The Archduke fled the capital, and escaped in the confusion; from time to
time, I will pass on his messages and comments. At the moment, he is still
trying to familiarize himself with his new accomodations.
Miranda, for Austria-Hungary, by the Grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from France to England
Ivy:
My Brother has allowed me the opportunity to write to you
during this holiday season. Since we must wait for some
of the major powers, he said that I could chat with you a
bit. I must say that your last message surprised us.
You always seem to have such a grasp on the political and
strategic situation that we are scratching our heads
wondering if we are truly way off base. Let me go find
the exact quote for you.
>I gave it some thought, but finally decided that you
>and Italy were too tight. The last move, in which
>Italy knew that he could have Spain if he
>wanted it, only confirmed my feeling about FI.
Surely you do not think that Italy is that committed to
France. In your previous letter you were telling us how
he simply was waiting for a second fleet before he took
his share of France. In fact, we felt he was tight with
you. He would not orders his units as we desired,
because of his relationship with you. Either one of us
is very wrong, or he is playing us both like Bach plays a
piano.
The reason that your statement really surprised me is
that it does seem obvious to me that he is only helping
me because he wishes to stalemate our situation. As long
as we are at war, and no one is winning, he has the time
to do as he pleases in the south without concern for his
other border. The reason that I was willing to trust him
is because I felt confident that he would not take Spain,
because he did not want you to have the advantage over
me.
The person that I think Italy tight with is Germany. He
continues to decline to help me if it requires harassing
Germany. He has not gone that far with you in that he
has helped me against you. And he has limited my help
against you. But to keep his positive relationship with
Germany, there is no such slights or minor insults.
I wish you to honest tell me how it has been working with
Germany. I had hope this last turn, but aside from one
note, I was unable to engage him in any meaningful
negotiations or conversations.
If Italy manages to take out Turkey, he will soon be in a
position where he will guarantee almost being the largest
member of a draw, or in position to accept the victory if
he can manage it. The west is behind the eight ball, so
to speak. We either resolve our situation now, or else
we will at best be able to manage a losing position in a
draw. Do you truly believe that either of us could
manage to deal with Germany effectively to make it
happen? Surely you must see that France is no long the
big threat that you once worried that we were. You
initial choices have neutralized us and we are at best a
second class power. Unfortunately that has left you in
the same category.
If we worked together there is a chance that we could
take out Germany fast enough to get after Italy before
Turkey is eliminated. Having that thorn in his back, we
might be able to whittle him down enough to prevent his
securing an unbreakable position. It is very easy for
Italy to secure 14 centers that cannot be breached. It
is not hard for Italy to get 2-3 more either in lower
France or Russia. I realize that he is not there yet,
but look at his position. He is lined up against Turkey.
He drove a wedge between Turkey and Russia (by
convincing Turkey to betray Russia near Sevastopol).
Therefore he has an ally against Turkey. If I hold you
back, what will stop him?
Do you see obvious flaws in my logic?
>I think that Italy betrayed Turkey, but I am not
>certain.
That is my guess too, as the above suggests.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
First, we congratulate you on your success. I suspect
that Turkey will not like what he sees upon his return.
Second, my brother and I do thank you greatly for your
continue good faith and help for the French people.
Together we have successful in turning back the English
invaders and France has made a decent recovery. We have
not prospered, but we survive. And for that we thank.
Although we do realize that doing so may have been in
your best interest, we appreciate your choosing to help
France rather than take the easy gains, such as Spain.
Ivy indicated that you could have had it if you wanted to
have it. We thank you for passing it up. I presume that
he is why he moved from the Mid-Atlantic Ocean and that
he told you that he would do so. I do not know whether
he guess that I would be taking it from Spain or whether
you mentioned it to him. No matter, it is an unimportant
detail.
At this time, I feel ready to have you retreat from WES.
The Tyrrhenian Sea or Tunis would be wonderful. If
England and Germany join against me again, I can always
call for your help again.
I have a question for you. If I manage to make a
successful attack on England, with Germany assistance,
will you allow me success or will you choose to stalemate
the situation, thereby limiting a threat to Italy.
Granted a growing France would concern you. But it would
also be a threat to Germany. If England and France
continue to remain even, then there can be no threat
against Germany, because our forces will balance
ourselves. I understand that you do not desire to have a
threatened Germany now, but some day it will be in your
best interest. Can I count of Italy to celebrate any
success that I have?
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Turkey
Ali:
I can help but think that you were betrayed yet again by
Italy. I would like to be able to help you again, but I
need something to break between Germany and England. If
you can help me convince either of them to join me
against the other, I would sooner be able to help you.
If they stick together, then I will be forced to try and
stonewall them, which will delay any help coming your
way.
--Prince Boar
PS: You absolutely must build a fleet, don't you think.
Can you make pease with Russia?
Message from France to all
France wishes the Best to Archduke Ferdinand.
May he enjoy his retirement. We shall be thinking of
him.
Also please give our best to Felicia. We enjoyed our
conversations with her.
--Prince Boar
Message from Russia to France
Xavier, My Friend,
> Movement results for Fall of 1904. (titleist.015)
>
> England: Army Belgium SUPPORT Fleet Picardy. (*cut*)
> England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean HOLD.
> England: Fleet Picardy SUPPORT Army Bel. (*cut, dislodged*)
> England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Army Belgium.
> England: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean -> Irish Sea.
Surprisingly passive, and given that Ivy was reportedly expecting
WMed-Spa/SC, not exactly pro-French, but attacking Germany remains
England's best hope, I think.
> France: Army Burgundy -> Belgium. (*bounce*)
> France: Army Paris -> Picardy.
> France: Fleet Portugal SUPPORT Fleet Spain/SC -> MAO.
> France: Fleet Brest SUPPORT Army Paris -> Picardy.
> France: Fleet Spain (south coast) -> Mid-Atlantic Ocean.
Why Spa/SC-MAO? You should not trust Roberto that much. Look
at what has happened to Austria and Turkey, (and me, indirectly).
> Germany: Army Kiel -> Holland.
> Germany: Army Silesia -> Munich.
> Germany: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia SUPPORT Army Livonia -> StP.
> Germany: Fleet Baltic Sea -> Denmark.
> Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Silesia -> Munich.
> Germany: Army Livonia -> St Petersburg. (*bounce*)
The largest Power in the West, and he goes on the defensive. If you
ally
with England, you ought to be able to roll over him.
> Italy: Army Trieste -> Serbia.
> Italy: Army Vienna SUPPORT Turkish Army Serbia -> Budapest.
> Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea -> Aegean Sea.
> Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Ionian Sea -> Aegean Sea.
> Italy: Fleet WMed SUPPORT French Fleet Spain/SC -> MAO.
> Italy: Army Tyrolia -> Trieste.
Not the stab I was expecting, but effective. It will still take him a
long time
to break through against Turkey without my help, but MAO S Por-Spa/SC
is strongly advised to discourage any two-front thoughts he might have.
Nick,
(who may get back to four Centers in 1905, if the Bolsheviks don't overthrow
the goverment.)
Message from Germany to France
B:
It's fun to walk away from this game for a weekend, then come back to
find that a move has processed.
This time it looks like:
Italy has stabbed Turkey again. I don't know about you, but I'll never
trust Italy as far as I can throw him.
England is still in the North Sea. (One of these days....)
I'm beginning to fear an Italian victory. He can take BUD next turn.
Turkey is totally out of position, to defend much else well. There is no
threat to Italy from the west (or north). I'm tied up with an inferior
Russia.
Yep Italy looks pretty strong right now. Of course, that will probably
change after the next moves.
I guess that I have one or two reasons to still stick with England.
1) Continuity. Just as I would never trust Italy, I believe that
sticking with your partners is the way to victory.
2) England can support me into STP in the fall if he moves that fleet to
NWY this spring.
On the other hand. A FG alliance could do the following.
1) One of us could take BEL immediately, destroying the English army in
the process.
2) On a stab I could slip into the North Sea myself, and take EDI in the
fall.
3) France is the only possibility of applying pressure to Italy.
Specifically what do you think about these moves?
Spring
England
F NTH - NWY
nothing else matters. as
France
brest - eng
bur - bel supported by pic
por - spain (SC) (Needed to protect MAR as a German army in BUR is a
real possibility)
MAO s bre- eng
Italy
Western Med s MAO
GER
ruh s hol
mun - tyr
den - north sea
Fall
I'm not sure. Certainly I'd like to see pressure put on Italy, but I
don't see how right now. I definitely want to see that build be a
fleet in MAR. We'll bring your other three fleets mostly north.
England will still have three fleets. That is unless I can also take
NWY. But I don't see a real possibility for that. Unless Russia would
cooperate. But I remember a the start of the game what it was like to
get Nick to agree to anything.
Fredd
Message from Italy to France
>
> First, we congratulate you on your success. I suspect
> that Turkey will not like what he sees upon his return.
>
I suspect not.
> Although we do realize that doing so may have been in
> your best interest, we appreciate your choosing to help
> France rather than take the easy gains, such as Spain.
> Ivy indicated that you could have had it if you wanted to
> have it.
I had mentioned to Ivy that I asked you to take the MAO from Spain but I
wasn't positive from where you were moving. He felt resigned to losing the
MAO and mentioned he would be retreating to the IRI and that, if France was
indeed moving Spain, that I would be able to move in and take it. Frankly,
I was insulted by his short-sided approach as clearly Spain could not be
held.
> At this time, I feel ready to have you retreat from WES.
As we discussed. I'm happy to return home. Let me know if you require my
fleet's assistance again.
> Can I count of Italy to celebrate any success that I have?
Italy rejoices over the prospect of French success. We wish you the best
and please do not hesitate to seek our assistance either diplomatically or
militarally.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I did realize the potential for Italy taking Spain if I
attacked MAO from that location. But by doing so I
guaranteed that England could not take it. If I attacked
from Portugal, Italy could have helped England take
Spain. I was unwilling to take that chance. I also was
willing to bet that Italy would prefer to not take on me
while he had bigger concerns in the East.
Your move to Livonia was brilliant by the way. I never
really studied the situation, but I certainly did not see
it during my quick glances. It is good that Germany did
not trust Italy or I enough to break your support from
Warsaw.
I agree that England's moves were not pro-French. They
were as anti-French as he could be. He was trying to
get Italy to take Spain. There was nothing else he could
accomplish. If he had only held in MAO, we could have
discussed his disbanding his retreating fleet. Now he
remains in my face.
Have you considered putting any effort into turning
Germany on England. I would take which ever one I could
arrange. But England seems determined to attack me,
therefore if we worked together on Germany, we might
have some luck.
How is your relationship with Turkey. Was his remaining
in Sevastopol a betrayal of you? You almost need to
side with him against Italy or else Italy will be
unstoppable and will devour you after Turkey falls.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
First it was PB, now just B. Well as long as you write
you can shorten my name to whatever your like. Skip it
altogether if you want.
Yes, Italy did betray Turkey again. Hence, I expect
peace between him and myself. I will not threaten him
until
my situation with England is resolved. This can be best
accomplished by my working with you to eliminate him,
but I can also settle for an alliance with him where his
forces shift to Scandinavia and North Germany.
>I believe that sticking with your partners is the way
>to victory.
I thought that you believe that there would be many
betrayals, especially between EFG in this game. I was
the one looking for a long term partner, remember. :-)
I still am.
<3) France is the only possibility of applying pressure
to Italy.
This is the only thing that I have going for me.
I also told Ivy that if France is not allowed to put
pressure on Italy soon, he will get to the point where he
will be large enough to almost guarantee himself to be
the largest member of any draw, hence the winner. I
believe that it will be too difficult for the two of you
to eliminate me in time. Therefore I suggest that one of
you side with me to eliminate the other, allow me to get
to Italy before Turkey is effectively eliminated and
cannot claw at his back if Italy is forced to turn and
fight.
I am certainly willing to attack Belgium. I would
appreciate support from Holland as well. I think that
this would not be an unreasonable request. I would
probably use my fleets to mount some sort of attack on
England and at the same time, defend my rear territory.
With the appropriate moves, you could easily take Norway
in the fall. GoB -> Swe, Den -> Ska (or Nth), Mun
-> Kie.
I may also be able to help influence Russia if we are
working together. He and I have been kindred spirits
lately, so we have gotten along well.
It is too bad that you could not find yourself trusting
me last turn. I could have taken Belgium and you could
have taken St. Petes (Sil -> War). You instead choose to
partially trust England and leave Holland at risk.
When will you let me know if you are deciding to side
with France?
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Thanks for your note and assurances. I hope to someday
get some success for you to cheer. If you can convince
Germany to side with me, I would appreciate that. I
would at least like to know what he says, if there is
anything that you can share with me.
So how does it feel to be the one that everyone is
nervous about :-) People are sure starting to be
concerned about Italy. Congratulations, if that is
something to be happy about :-) At least it means that
you are doing well.
--Prince Boar
Message from Germany to France
Prince Boar:
> Yes, Italy did betray Turkey again. Hence, I expect
> peace between him and myself. I will not threaten him
> until my situation with England is resolved.
Certainly Italy wants peace with both of us. He'll need everything that
he's got to take on Turkey.
> When will you let me know if you are deciding to side
> with France?
Tough one. England has already spotted the stab opportunity I'd have if
he moved out of the North Sea. Therefore that stab opportunity has
pretty much evaporated. Which leaves you with picking up Belgium, and
me with.... Certainly your moves of attacking Norway instead of STP
are feasible. The Pandora's Box that that opens is Russia. What's he
going to do? I doubt if the answer is to just sit around.
I'm not ready to commit to you yet. Maybe we can work something out
before the next moves. Right now what we have on the table goes
something like this.
You get Belgium.
I switch from attacking STP to attacking Norway.
You're not really willing to make any moves against Italy. (Even with a
build that you get from Belgium)
I have a stab opportunity, but there's not much to it.
Would you switch alliances for the above?
Fredd
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
>Right now what we have on the table goes
>something like this.
>You get Belgium.
>I switch from attacking STP to attacking Norway.
>You're not really willing to make any moves against
>Italy. (Even with a
>build that you get from Belgium)
>I have a stab opportunity, but there's not much to it.
>Would you switch alliances for the above?
My answer to you is Yes, if you are thinking long term
rather than short term. In the long term, I am better
position to be of help against Italy, and much sooner
than England is. (My home centers are also in a less
dangerous position than his.)
It will take a longer time to eliminate me than it will
him. We can take England down to 3 centers this year.
He will fall fast. (Medium term advantage)
The short term is not all that bad as well. England is
not willing to help you get St. Petes, therefore you are
likely not to get it. You are likely to get Norway. The
only way for England to stop it is for him to be in
Norway and the North Sea. If he does that shift, I will
be in the Channel and not him. Hence, I will break his
support for Norway.
I will put my new force in the Mediterranean. It may not
be able to launch an attack on Italy, but it will at
least get his attention and perhaps slow down his
progress on Turkey. You can also shift your army in
Livonia to Prussia and then Silesia to start putting a
little pressure on Italy as well.
If I am being attack by you and England, then I will not
be putting any units in the Mediterranean to make Italy
nervous. I will sell out in the North. In fact, Italy
may end up growing even larger as he is likely to come
over and take his share. These may get him to 16
centers, or perhaps the victory depending on how things
eventually go in Russia.
Finally, I can keep Russia out of your back door. He
will be simply happy to have relieve from your attack;
and he will focus on getting the rest of his homeland
back. This will give us time to take out England and
give you the forces you need to then Finish off Russia
without all the concerns at your back.
I think that your long term choice is obvious - France!
Completely unbiasedly yours, ;-)
--Prince Boar
Message from Germany to France
Prince Boar
Yes I think that you're a little biased. I'll send a more complete
response tonight, after Russia gets back to me.
I was hoping that you'd have something more substantial to offer, than
reasoning.
Freddd
Message from France to Germany
Fredd:
>I was hoping that you'd have something more substantial
>to offer, than reasoning.
What is it that you want me to offer?
I am agreeing to take Belgium from Burgundy, so you can
clear out Munich and feel safe.
I am agreeing to attack the Channel, even if that risks
MAO.
I am agreeing to put breaking Nth Sea support for Norway
over any of my needs for a possible French fleet in the
Channel.
I am agreeing to build a fleet in Marseilles, per your
request.
I have suggest to Russia that we should consider working
with you. I can put in more effort but hesitated to
reveal to him our discussions.
I am very willing to discuss any long term distribution
of SC. I have in the past agreed to transferring Belgium
to you, I am still willing to do so.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to England
Wingo:
I am back on duty. My brother was disappointed that he
did not have the opportunity to converse with you. C'est
la vie, I told him. Perhaps you were out of town, or
just enjoying the holiday.
Are we going to continue to waste each other's chances in
this game? Will we do so without even discussing the
options?
Le DAUPHIN
Message from England to France
Dauphin,
Very sorry. Work has been horribly time-consuming lately. Since we are
only in the build phase, I felt I had to set aside Diplomacy briefly. I
hope to get a proper letter to you ASAP.
Ivy
>Wingo:
>
>I am back on duty. My brother was disappointed that he
>did not have the opportunity to converse with you. C'est
>la vie, I told him. Perhaps you were out of town, or
>just enjoying the holiday.
>
>Are we going to continue to waste each other's chances in
>this game? Will we do so without even discussing the
>options?
>
>Le DAUPHIN
Message from Master to all
Okay, I think my email is back. I got nothing in or out of
masseyd@btv.ibm.com for four or five days, then I got a flood
of about 300 mails in the last hour (in reverse chronological
order, for some reason).
Anyway, everything seems to be back to normal on my end.
I think we have everyone back from Labor Day vacation in the
U.S. and are ready to continue with the F1904B deadline
tonight.
Doug
Message from France to Turkey
Ali:
I trust that your trip was pleasant, even if the movement
results were not.
I expect that you are building a fleet. If you need to
bounce any ideas or talk through some issues, let me
know.
I will try to influence Germany and Russia where I can.
Italy seems to have made up us mind. I run a delicate
balance. I do not want him to focus all his attention on
me. But I also do not want him to crush you. I hope
that you can outplay him in the tactical and alliance
fields.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to England
Wingo:
Surely France can wait. Take care of your other
important business.
Le DAUPHIN
Message from Master to Austria, England, France, Germany, Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Just signing on to encourage End Of Year statements from the players,
especially from Austria (who I think mentioned that he'd be forthcoming
with one soon, anyway).
Thank you for playing Austria; I hope you'll stay on as an observer.
Feel free to continue to affect play in a verbal manner, if you wish.
Doug
Message from France to Turkey
Ali:
Thanks for the note and the warning. I have taken it to heart.
Although I may be force to deal with Italy and hope for the best. I
will be as cautious as I can. I will reveal as little of my plans as
possible. Hopefully we need not coordinate very much.
I was concerned about him taking Spain. I actually though England would
support him to Spain and hold in the MAO. I guess they did not know for
certain what Brest would do. I did not offer that information, which
was wise.
I truly hope you hold on. It is for selfish reasons, as it helps me,
and for personal reasons, because I enjoy talking with you.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
After hearing from all the other players, I guess that I need to repeat
my thanks for your not taking Spain. Most people assumed that you were
going to do so. They suggest that it was discussed in great detail.
I admit that I was a bit worried about it, but chose to trust that you
would not. My basis for this trust was that I figure that you did not
want to hasten my fall, did not think you had the resources in place to
hold it, did not want a two-front war (Turkey and France), and worried
that if I was going down I would choose to punish the last person to
betray me.
Whether you never considered taking Spain or if you decided against it
at the last minute, I thank you again.
I hope that you do not mind that I will be a bit conservative in the
next season, while I fondly wave good bye to your fleet. I shall do
nothing threatening, but I will probably keep my defensive options
open. I still believe that it is in your best interest to not betray
me. But you can only receive so many messages before you get a little
paranoid. :-) I truly apologize for my caution.
I wish you luck in your conquest of Turkey.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I wanted to know where things stand with you. I expect that Turkey is
prepared to grovel, he suggested to me that he was. You should demand
the unconditional surrender of Sevastopol and then work with him. If he
falls quickly, Italy will then be ready to gobble you up next.
I have also been working on turning Germany against England. Part of
this path would be for him to withdraw from Russia. If you could give
him reassurances, and strongly suggest that he take this path, you could
be in great shape. The pressure on your border would disappear and you
would recover your homeland. You could also work to take an Austrian
center off Italy. Once England falls, you can I could discuss other
cooperative efforts.
Can you, will you, put effort forth to create an FG alliance, with R
neutrality?
-- Xavier
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
> I did realize the potential for Italy taking Spain if I
> attacked MAO from that location. But by doing so I
> guaranteed that England could not take it. If I attacked
> from Portugal, Italy could have helped England take
> Spain. I was unwilling to take that chance. I also was
> willing to bet that Italy would prefer to not take on me
> while he had bigger concerns in the East.
Interesting. I see your point, but would have thought WMed-Spa
was more likely than WMed S MAO-Spa.
> Your move to Livonia was brilliant by the way. I never
> really studied the situation, but I certainly did not see
> it during my quick glances. It is good that Germany did
> not trust Italy or I enough to break your support from
> Warsaw.
It surprised Fredd, too. ;-) I was actually expecting Sil-War, with
the disband of the Fleet, and a build of A Mos (for Sev). I ordered
the attack on Lvn for "political" reasons, (hoping to quiet the Bolsheviks),
rather than out of any expectation that it would actually leave me in
control of StP for another year.
> Have you considered putting any effort into turning
> Germany on England. I would take which ever one I could
> arrange. But England seems determined to attack me,
> therefore if we worked together on Germany, we might
> have some luck.
A significant part of his retreat from Russia is the result of my
playing
up the threat of an English stab, I think. I would rather see England
attack
Germany, but I have been discussing stab options with both of them.
Neither one trusts the other, but so far, neither has been willing to
attack.
> How is your relationship with Turkey. Was his remaining
> in Sevastopol a betrayal of you? You almost need to
> side with him against Italy or else Italy will be
> unstoppable and will devour you after Turkey falls.
Yes, for the third time in four years, he has failed to submit orders we
had agreed to. Oddly enough, the one time he didn't was when he was
supposed to get a Center, rather than me. I do see the danger that Italy
poses though, so I haven't ruled out working with the Turk again.
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Italy to France
>
> After hearing from all the other players, I guess that I need to repeat
> my thanks for your not taking Spain. Most people assumed that you were
> going to do so. They suggest that it was discussed in great detail.
>
And when you say 'most' you mean England and Turkey. Those were the only
two I discussed Spain with. I suppose they may have mentioned it to Germany
however if Germany passed on that info it would be complete hearsay.
I only allowed the discussion to occur in order to gain valuable information
about the moves of England and Turkey. I was most interested in making sure
England didn't even have North Africa as a retreat option.
> I admit that I was a bit worried about it, but chose to trust that you
> would not. My basis for this trust was that I figure that you did not
> want to hasten my fall, did not think you had the resources in place to
> hold it, did not want a two-front war (Turkey and France), and worried
> that if I was going down I would choose to punish the last person to
> betray me.
Just one of those reasons would have been enough to prevent me from moving
to Spain let alone all four combined. Yes, all of those points were duly
considered and all carried equal weight.
> Whether you never considered taking Spain or if you decided against it
> at the last minute, I thank you again.
Taking Spain was never a serious consideration and at no time did I enter
orders to move to Spain.
> I hope that you do not mind that I will be a bit conservative in the
> next season, while I fondly wave good bye to your fleet. I shall do
> nothing threatening, but I will probably keep my defensive options
> open. I still believe that it is in your best interest to not betray
> me. But you can only receive so many messages before you get a little
> paranoid. :-) I truly apologize for my caution.
As you see fit. No apology necessary. Looking at the map, I don't really
see anyway you can logically breakthru the English armada this spring
anyway.
> I wish you luck in your conquest of Turkey.
Thank you and I wish you luck in whatever country you attempt to conquest
unless that country begins with the letter 'I' of course.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to all
And adjustments haven't processed because ......
Message from Germany to France
> > >I was hoping that you'd have something more substantial
> >to offer, than reasoning.
> What is it that you want me to offer?
18 centers, of course. ;-)
>I am agreeing to build a fleet in Marseilles, per your
>request.
Ah, actually you had said 'force' in your last message. This is a good
clarification.
>
> I have suggest to Russia that we should consider working
> with you. I can put in more effort but hesitated to
> reveal to him our discussions.
I appreciate that you keep these discussions quiet. This game feels
like a broadcast game sometimes. It's caused me (and I think a couple
of others) to keep a lid on what we talk about.
>
> I am very willing to discuss any long term distribution
> of SC. I have in the past agreed to transferring Belgium
> to you, I am still willing to do so.
I think we both know what happens when France and Germany get together
to take out England, and France gets quite a few fleets up around the
English Isle. The next target is Germany. Plus I don't really want to
build fleets. Italy is the clear and present danger. German fleets can
do nothing to stop an Italian takeover.
You also know my greatest fear. That I'll have a strong and powerful
France at my back, down the road. Just look at the trouble England has
breaking in. On the other hand, Italy is already prepared to help me
against you if need be. But then who would take his word on anything.
Let's keep talking along these lines. Russia is the key here. I'm not
asking for your help in talking to him, I can do that well enough on my
own.
We'll have to take two from England by next fall for this to work, and
one of us will have to be in either the Channel or the North Sea.
A word of caution. Italy has stated that he won't be going to TYR if he
builds in VEN. If he does, there are two possibilites. 1)He lied - a
bad idea if he wants to stay on my good side (and he does) 2) Someone
told him that I was interested in moving to Munich. (that would be
you) My advice is to not tell Italy that I'm contemplating a move to
TYR.
Fredd
Italy: BUILD Fleet Naples
Italy: BUILD Army Venice
Turkey: BUILD Fleet Smyrna
Centers
England: 5
France: 5
Germany: 6
Italy: 8
Russia: 3
Turkey: 7
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