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Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
Do you want to call it a four-way at this point?
If you'd rather not even consider it unitl you get
back, I can certainly understand, but Ivy asked me
to float the proposal to just end it before Christmas.
Nick.
Message from France to Master, England, Italy, and Russia
Any mail that you might have sent me since my last
message got lost. I messed up changing my address. It
seems that I cannot spell my own name. One of many
mistakes.
On the rare chance there was some mail, please resend it
if you think me worthy.
France
Message from Russia to France
Message 1 of 2
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Message from Russia to France in 'titleist':
Roger,
My condolences on your and your family's loss. Don't
woory about the game, it will be here when you're
ready to come back. I realize this won't be the
happiest of holidays for your family, but hopefully
the joys of your small children at Christmas will
give you and your wife some comfort.
You've mentioned experiments a couple of times now.
It turns out that both Ken and I are computer
programmers/analysts, while Allen is a University
Math Prof. Might I ask what you do for a living?
Your Friend,
Eric.
P.S. I realize this note has nothing to do with
Dip, but I don't know your yahoo address.
End of message.
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(And neither do you, it seems... 8-)
Message from Russia to France
Mesage 2 of 2
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Message from Russia to France in 'titleist':
Xavier,
Do you want to call it a four-way at this point?
If you'd rather not even consider it unitl you get
back, I can certainly understand, but Ivy asked me
to float the proposal to just end it before Christmas.
Nick.
End of message.
Message from France to England and Russia
My orders for this year as as follows:
f mao hold
f wes s f mao
f spa s f mao
f bre s a pic
a pic s a bur
a par s a bur
a mar s a bur
a bur s a ruh -> mun
a try s a ber -> mun
(you can pick which one you prefer, there is no need to
tell me as this gives you a choice)
a ven s a tyr
f aeg -> bul (sc)
f con s f aeg -> bul (sc)
a ser s f aeg -> bul (sc)
Enjoy!
--King Roger
Message from France to Master, England, Italy, and Russia
I will be able to get spring orders in before I leave.
If all goes well, I can send in some fall orders too - as
long as there is no discussion required for me. I will
try my best to keep the game moving and minimize the
delay.
Message from France to all
This is the King of France.
Due to incompetence and too many failures to mention, my
sons are relived of their duty to France. I was enjoying
a semi-retirement under the guise of a long illness, but
it is time to return to the throne. The Dauphine shall
return to pushing around little wooden soldiers and
Prince Boar shall return to his studies on philosophy.
With these things they can do little damage. From this
point on my daughter, Josephine, will be the sole heir of
France. However, that time has not come and I shall deal
with all matters diplomatically and militarily.
King Roger XIII
Message from Italy to France
I made the moves I made with the full understanding that I will most likely
be eliminated. Blame Ivy, he can lay a guilt trip with the best of them. I
only moved as I did out of respect for Ivy, his play throughout the game,
and his monumental efforts he put forth to prevent Nick and I from
strangling each other. He deserved a better fate than some emotional moron
throwing a game. I have already suggested privately to him that the two of
you might consider a 2-way draw. A fitting conclusion to a very bizarre
game.
Roberto
Message from France to England and Russia
Eric & Allen:
First,
>Do you want to call it a four-way at this point?
Nope! Italy must be eliminated.
I gave him the option of choosing between a F solo and a
EFR draw. He has chosen. It is my duty to make sure he
gets what he wants. I may not succeed, but I will die
trying.
>Might I ask what you do for a living?
Sure!
I am a Coating Development Engineer at Kodak.
My work ranges from mixing chemicals in a bucket in the
lab, to pilot coatings, to crawling around inside
industrial dryers trying to understand air flow. I also
get to do project leadership, patents, and occasionally
they let me change a hazardous waste barrel. My
experiments consist of coating films onto support and
worrying about the quality of the resulting product. I
do not work on films for your camera, other kinds. We
can chat more after Xmas. I would like to know more
about what you program. Computer languages has always
been a kind of hobby of mine, but I am a hack at it.
Roger
Message from France to Italy
Ken:
As I said, I have no hard feelings. :-)
Roger
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I only had a second during my last message. Here is a
better response:
>I made the moves I made with the full understanding
>that I will most likely be eliminated.
That is currently my goal, yes.
>Blame Ivy, he can lay a guilt trip with the best of
>them. I only moved as I did out of respect for Ivy,
>his play throughout the game, and his monumental
>efforts he put forth to prevent Nick and I from
>strangling each other. He deserved a better fate
>than some emotional moron throwing a game.
Obviously you valued including Ivy in a draw over
excluding Nick in one. I can understand that. Even if
it was a close call, tossing in the ability to deny me a
solo and the small chance that you could survive, and
your decision makes sense.
Remember that I put the end game in your hands. You
choose 'not French solo'. So now I must work very hard
to ensure the other alternative comes true. We shall see
if I succeed. :-)
>I have already suggested privately to him that the
>two of you might consider a 2-way draw. A fitting
>conclusion to a very bizarre game.
I just do not see this happening. There simply is no
stalemate line.
King Roger XIII
Message from France to England, Italy, and Russia
My spring moves are in without wait.
Best of luck,
King Roger XIII
Message from England to France
Roger,
>On the rare chance there was some mail, please resend it if you think me
>worthy.
Don't be so hard on yourself. You were the only person in titleist to get
close to victory. Roberto even had entered the moves to assist you, when
he changed his mind, reasoning that it was better to be seen trying to
prevent a solo than aiding it. He gets high marks in my book for what he did.
>a bur s a ruh -> mun
>a try s a ber -> mun
It's not that simple. I vowed to support Roberto in Munich if he did the
"right thing." I dare say that an objective outsider with access to all
the press would have high praise for what Roberto has done the past few
years. I wish the same could be said for someone else.
As of this moment I am not particularly happy with a EFR ending. Perhaps
minds may change after a holiday break. I think I still worry about a solo
on your part, because I do not trust Russia to be objective. He so hates
Italy that I think he misjudges the possible consequences of removing Italy
when you have as many centers as you do. If you wish to tempt me, I would
rather see you retreat from the southeast and give up a few centers.
Please understand that I do appreciate the offer of Munich.
I would have written earlier, but it remains insane around here. Final
exams, grading, plus an obligation to review over 200 dossiers of
applicants for a tenure-track job.
Sorry to be so brief.
Allen/Ivy
p.s. 13+13+14 > 34.
Message from France to England and Russia
>p.s. 13+13+14 > 34.
Ooops, I wrote in too much haste.
11+11+12 works :-)
Just so you know I will not vote for the 4-way draw. You
will have to eliminate me if you are not happy with EFR.
And any thoughts that I could somehow solo from my
current position is ludicrous. I have 3 units in the
east. How are they possibly going to take and hold 5
more centers? Even if there was a prayer of my working
with Italy again, we could not manage to get me 18
centers.
I need 10 units just to hold on to France, Italy, Iberia,
and Tunis. That is 10 units for only 9 centers. Keep
that problem in mind as you ask for sacrifices.
I am willing to modify my eastern units if Nick has
special requests. I will not, however, risk letting
those Italian fleets out into the Mediterranean.
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to England and Russia
One last important detail.
You will notice that I have no open home supply centers.
That means that I am not likely to ever have more than 13
units on the board.
--King Roger XIII
Message from England to France and Russia
Roger
>Just so you know I will not vote for the 4-way draw. You
>will have to eliminate me if you are not happy with EFR.
That's clear enough language for me.
I haven't the remotest interest in eliminating you. I'm a bit weary, and
the thought of having my troops home for Christmas was very tempting.
Ivy/Allen
Message from Russia to all
Wow, it just occurred to me that 1912 has ended!
That means it's time for EoYs, Philosophy Debates,
Pravda Reports, etc. It's been a rollercoaster
year, and I encourage everyone to comment on it.
Eric/Nick/Russia.
Message from England to France and Russia
King Roger & Nick,
I feel a little guilty diploming when it may not be easy for everyone to
ponder and respond, however I can't rush this next move. We are faced with
new circumstances. Besides, the deadline is still a ways off.
My suggestion of a 4-way draw was genuine. Thoughts of personal glory
vanished long ago, and I felt this morning that my only reasonable goal --
participating in a coalition to stop a solo -- had been achieved. Thus, I
was prepared to end it.
I know that I cannot save Italy in spite of a certain fondness for him. If
he is attacked in the southeast what can my puny seven units do?
Here is a proposal that seems wholly consistent with a relatively even FER
ending. Can you, Roger, be content to stay at 13 units? You could assist
Russia into southeastern centers, even as Nick occupies others on his own.
I could be compensated occasionally with space up my way. This would head
us toward something like 13-11-10 at which time we could discuss final
arrangements. I have been on the diplomatic defensive for so long that I
would feel better if Roger did not try to grow again. Certainly there is
no tactical need for growth if a 3-way is the goal.
As far as Munich goes, I prefer to wait a year or so to see how these
things are going.
Most cordially,
Ivy/Allen
p.s. Saturday is abig day for me; it is our annual Christmas bird count.
That plus a major birthday for my father and my sister coming to town.
Message from France to England and Russia
Nick&Ivy:
I have no desire or need to grow. I can't build anyway. My units are
all forced to hold.
My goals are to reduce Italian center count and to prevent his fleets
from getting out into the Mediterranean. I am willing to make whatever
moves Nick wishes in order to accomplish that. The problem of course is
that he may not trust me enough to accomplish it quickly. That is why I
announced my moves. However, if there is a different desired set of
moves, I am open to them. I am also happy with no cooperation between
Nick and I in the spring and then he can assess the situation in the
fall.
In fact he has not written me about the topic. I assume that either
this means that he has no interested in actively working with me and/or
he does not want word to get back to Italy that he is trying to
eliminate him. I am comfortable with this and this is why I announced
my moves.
I am available for discussion through Sunday early evening. I will be
busy trying to wrap things up that I thought I would have much more time
to do, as well as get ready for travel. But I can squeeze in a few
minute here and there for you guys.
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I wanted to formally apologize for trying to take advantage of your
attack on Italy and your arguments with him.
In the end I guess that the way things work out might have been for the
best. I would always have been a threat for the solo while I had
numerous units in the east. With only three, my solo shot is gone.
I am around if you wish to discuss things. I am comfortable with your
telling me the moves you wish to see without know your moves. As long
as I do not risk Italy breaking out into the Mediterranean or gaining
centers, I am willing to do as you wish.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Russia to all
Well, that was interesting, I just got several past seasons worth of
press...
Message from France to Russia
Eric:
>My condolences on your and your family's loss.
Thanks for the kind thoughts and well wishes. I appreciate it.
In between preparations, I will still try to deal with the game. It is
a nice distraction.
Roger
(I had sent this earlier but I messed up the signon command.)
The reason you got old mail is that the judge was rebooted. At least
according to my sources ;-)
Message from Russia to France
King Roger,
> I wanted to formally apologize for trying to take advantage of your
> attack on Italy and your arguments with him.
No need to apologize. We each have a responsibility to our nations,
and to our people to ensure their security and economic stability.
> In the end I guess that the way things work out might have been for the
> best. I would always have been a threat for the solo while I had
> numerous units in the east. With only three, my solo shot is gone.
You'll forgive me if I don't write off your chances, just yet. 8-) 1912
was not a good year for the French cause, just as 1902 and 1909 were
trying times for Russia, but while there is life, there is hope.
> I am around if you wish to discuss things. I am comfortable with your
> telling me the moves you wish to see without know your moves. As long
> as I do not risk Italy breaking out into the Mediterranean or gaining
> centers, I am willing to do as you wish.
I need to take care of the routine End-of-Year business, and then meet
with my advisors to discuss our plans for the future. I will be in touch.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II
Message from England to France, Italy, and Russia
Roberto, Nick, King Roger
This has been strange. I have been getting old titleist messages, some
over one month old. I am not even sure that I have even seen some of the
old messages before. Is it possible that they were missing all this time?
Furthermore, I have typed a few messages this weekend only to have USIN
confirmation delayed for over 24 hours.
So I am not sure what is being transmitted successfully and when.
I will let this message be a test. If I get an immediate confirmation from
USIN, then I will send out other messages.
Ivy/Allen
Message from England to France and Russia
Nick, King Roger,
>I have no desire or need to grow. I can't build anyway. My units are
>all forced to hold.
That's quite agreeable to me. I don't object if you stay at 13 for quite
some time. I'll only be nervous if you attempt to grow again.
>My goals are to reduce Italian center count and to prevent his fleets
>from getting out into the Mediterranean. I am willing to make whatever
>moves Nick wishes in order to accomplish that.
I have no tactical influence in the southeast and will defer to Nick down
there.
This move should be a calm one for me. Unless something unusual occurs in
the correspondence, I expect to sit around defensively and watch events. I
don't want Munich now and will uphold a promise to defend it.
Ivy/Allen
Message from Russia to England, France, and Italy
Sorry for my silence. I'll try to think about S1913M this evening.
Nick.
Message from France to England and Russia
With this message my moves have changed to the following:
a ser -> rum
a tyr s a gal -> vie
a bur s a ber -> mun
This may help Nick take Sevastopol. Nick need not order Gal to Vie and
he can honestly claim that he did not request the support. I will of
course confirm that to Italy, if asked. Also, ditto for Ber -> mun.
Ivy, I was told that USIN was rebooted and there was a chance of getting
old mail.
Off to see the Ugly Duckling with my kids, then to finish some last
minute shopping before to horrible week begins.
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to England and Russia
I was wondering if you would induldge my curiosity and answer 3 quick
questions.
1) I assume that Italy told you my moves, yes?
2) Before you knew them, what were your moves going to be. I am
wondering how I was going to do. Namely were you ordering Sil -> Mun or
Ruh to Mun? Also was was Galicia going to do?
3) Was Rum -> Sev to bounce Russia negotiated and agreed upon? I wanted
to order Rum to Bud, but Italy was pretty insistent on Rum -> Sev.
Either would have been fine for Bul -> Rum s by Ukr.
Thanks.
--King Roger XIII
Message from England to France
Roger,
>1) I assume that Italy told you my moves, yes?
Not exactly. At first he didn't even tell me his moves. Not the ones he
entered to help you, nor the ones he could use to counter your
moves. Eventually he told me, but not Russia, the moves he actually
made. I could deduce some of your moves only by knowing Italy's moves.
>2) Before you knew them, what were your moves going to be. I am
>wondering how I was going to do. Namely were you ordering Sil -> Mun or
>Ruh to Mun?
I wanted Silesia->Munich all along, but at first I didn't know if Italy
would do it. I was willing to risk the Channel in order to destroy your
army in Munich.
> Also was was Galicia going to do?
I have no idea.
>3) Was Rum -> Sev to bounce Russia negotiated and agreed upon?
At first Italy insisted that Russia bounce himself in Sevastopol. Later,
Italy agreed that Russia only needed to send one unit to Sevastopol. I was
not aware that Italy encouraged you to try for Sevastopol. I assumed that
was your idea.
The details were pretty much Italy's show, although I like to think that
the decision to try to stop you was influenced by me and Russia.
Ivy/Allen
Message from Russia to France
> Message from France to Russia and England in 'titleist':
>
> 1) I assume that Italy told you my moves, yes?
He didn't even tell me his moves.
> 2) Before you knew them, what were your moves going to be.
> Also was was Galicia going to do?
My default moves were very close to what I ended up ordering.
I had suggested Gal S Bud, Bud S Tri-Ser.
> 3) Was Rum -> Sev to bounce Russia negotiated and agreed upon?
No. Mos-Sev was mostly to prevent Rev-Sev on retreat, and destroy
FA Rum. The IR tension I told you about was very real. We ended up
each talking to England, and he finally gave each of us each a set of
moves that we agreed to.
Nick.
Message from France to England and Russia
Ivy & Nick:
Thanks for responding.
>Namely were you ordering Sil -> Mun or
>Ruh to Mun?
Sorry, I meant Ber -> Mun. If you choose Ber -> Mun you could have
prevented my victory (if Italy had done his part. Any other moves and I
would have won. I was just curious. I am in a terrible rush these days
and mistype or misthink in this case :-)
I am not likely to respond to any press before tonights deadline. So
you will have to take advantage of my announced moves as best you can.
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Master, England, Italy, and Russia
Doug:
I should be able to handle any retreats from this phase. After that,
please advance the deadline to Dec. 26 or later if required by other
players.
--Roger
Message from Italy to France
>
> PS: If you are willing to tell me what type of dog your puppy is, I
> would like to know.
>
Some messages are just now rolling in. I think this is one that was sent
sometime ago....
I actually didn't get a new puppy. The comment about Russia's news article
was purely a joke. Wife and I are waiting until our daughter is a bit older
(she's 2 and a half now) before we get another dog.
Our dog that passed away was a border collie. I raised him from two weeks
old when he was found abandoned along a highway. We found out he had cancer
on, of all days, Sept 11th. He was ten years old.
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I have been doing some thinking and I decided that I do not need to be a
jerk out of principal. You beat me, I can take my loss like a man. I
am setting draw with this message.
I am writing to you because I did not want an announcement to turn into
a circus of whom is trying to make whom look like they did not set
draw. You can either ask them each to set draw just on a whim, talk to
them about it, or pass on my announcement. You obviously have a good
relationship with each of them and should know the best way to address
it. You might want to use the "on a whim" with Roberto and talk things
through with Nick. Who knows you two may want to eliminate Italy or
eliminate me.
--King Roger XIII
Message from England to France
>You beat me,
I don't feel that way at all. I just feel like I survived. So far.
> I am setting draw with this message.
The best that I can do is to set draw as well and announce it.
The truth is I have heard nothing of substance from Nick since the last
turn. I really doubt that I have much influence over him. He an impulsive
renegade at heart.
> or pass on my announcement.
OK.
>You obviously have a good relationship with each of them
I have a decent relationship with Roberto that has grown over the past few
weeks.
Nick continues to baffle me. I haven't the slightest idea of what he is
going to do this turn. Perhaps I will be asking for your help after this
turn. 8-)
Ivy/Allen
Message from France to England
Ivy/Allen:
> >You beat me,
>
> I don't feel that way at all. I just feel like I
>survived. So far.
do not be modest. It is well known that you
orchestrated the peace that prevented my victory. I
would admire it if I was not so darn ticked off ;-)
Afterall, my one and only Dip Pouch article was about
doing essentially what you did.
> The truth is I have heard nothing of substance from
> Nick since the last turn
Me neither. Maybe he and Roberto are cooking up
something evil for us. Then again, they are probably
the two later powers.
> Nick continues to baffle me. I haven't the slightest
>idea of what he is
> going to do this turn. Perhaps I will be asking for
>your help after this
> turn. 8-)
It is too bad that we have no possibility of a
reasonable stalemate line.
Ah they announcing the end of the coating trial. I best
go wait for the sample. 3.5 hours down, 18 to go!
Maybe I will get 3-4 hours of sleep before the 13 hours
drive.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Russia to all
Sorry that I'm late, and sorry for my silence; I've been sick. I'm going to
try
to make it to work today, and will hopefully get my moves in by lunch-time.
Eric.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I hope that you feel better soon. If you need an
extension you should ask for it. My access will be
spotty until tonight and then I will be on the road.
If you must talk to me, you can ask for a deadline
extension. However, I admit that talking to me is
probably not that important, so do you best.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Russia to France
King Roger,
>If you must talk to me, you can ask for a deadline
>extension. However, I admit that talking to me is
>probably not that important, so do you best.
I'd rather not delay the game, if possible, so I'll
probably just take your default orders and work with
them. Now if I just knew what it was that I wanted
to do... 8-)
Nick.
Message from England to all
"I'm going to try to make it to work today." -- Eric
"Work. Where one can play Diplomacy undisturbed." -- Webster's New
Collegiate Dictionary, 10th ed.
Message from England to France
King Roger,
> >Namely were you ordering Sil -> Mun or
> >Ruh to Mun?
>Sorry, I meant Ber -> Mun. If you choose Ber -> Mun you could have
>prevented my victory
Had Italy not changed his mind, I would have ordered
Berlin->Munich. Perhaps then you would have had only 17? But wouldn't you
have won easily the next year, especially since Italy would, once again, be
helping?
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I just got an e-mail from Nick that was sent to Italy and me. He is not
setting draw. Instead he claims to want to take your southeastern centers
from you. Then perhaps France (you) will suggest a draw in public, instead
of doing so privately to me. He proposes no moves for Italy or me. Who
knows what he is doing, or even if there is much thought behind it?
Allen/Ivy
Message from Russia to all
>Broadcast message from England in 'titleist':
> > "I'm going to try to make it to work today." -- Eric
>"Work. Where one can play Diplomacy undisturbed." -- Webster's New
>Collegiate Dictionary, 10th ed.
*ROFL* Well, it is true that at work there is only
one person using my PC, while at home there are three.
Message from Master to England, France, Italy, and Russia
Please appraise me of any extension requests for the holidays. I'll
be gone from Dec 21 to Dec 25 and we already have one request to extend
until Dec 26 (after these moves, which are past due).
If there are any retreats that can be handled in short order, we'll
do that; so i expect we'll have the F1913M deadline on Dec 26 (or
later, as requested).
Doug
Message from England to Master, France, Italy, and Russia
>Please appraise me of any extension requests for the holidays.
Home for the holidays, I don't expect to make any requests.
Allen
England: Army Belgium HOLD
England: Army Berlin SUPPORT Italian Army Munich
England: Fleet English Channel SUPPORT Army Belgium
England: Fleet Irish Sea SUPPORT Fleet English Channel
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean → Norwegian Sea
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Army Belgium
England: Army Ruhr → Kiel
France: Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast)
France: Fleet Brest SUPPORT Army Picardy
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT English Army Berlin → Munich (*void*)
France: Fleet Constantinople SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast)
France: Army Marseilles SUPPORT Army Burgundy
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean HOLD
France: Army Paris SUPPORT Army Burgundy
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT Army Burgundy
France: Army Serbia → Rumania
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Tyrolia SUPPORT Russian Army Galicia → Vienna (*void*)
France: Army Venice SUPPORT Army Tyrolia
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Italy: Fleet Black Sea → Ankara
Italy: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Budapest → Vienna
Italy: Army Budapest → Vienna
Italy: Army Munich SUPPORT English Army Berlin
Italy: Fleet Rumania → Black Sea
Russia: Army Galicia → Budapest
Russia: Fleet Kiel → Denmark
Russia: Army Moscow → Sevastopol
Russia: Army Prussia SUPPORT Army Warsaw → Silesia
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Norway
Russia: Army Trieste SUPPORT Italian Army Budapest → Vienna
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Army Moscow → Sevastopol
Russia: Army Warsaw → Silesia
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