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Message from Russia to France
Xavier, and Le Dauphin,
Could I interest you in Russian support against
England? I realise that the prize is yours without
it, but I think I deserve better than to be
eliminated by that fool, Wingo.
A Thouroughly Disgusted,
Nick.
Message from Russia to all
>England: Builds an army in London.
>England: Builds an army in Edinburgh.
Ivy, are you insane??? Even if France supports
you into Kie and Ber, and gives you Munich, that
plus all of Russia is only 15 Centers, and Sev
is hard for a Northern Power to take and hold.
Do you expect France to give you Austrian,
Turkish, or Balkan Centers that you can't
defend, just to avoid the Solo??? Is anyone in
this game, besides Prince Boar, playing to win?
Czar Nicholas II of Germany and Poland.
Message from Master to all
Players -- please remember to submit EoY statements. Thanks,
Doug
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
Briefly, out of necessity.
So, is it OK for me to go for Kiel in addition to Sweden this year? That
means that I need to put armies in Holland and Ruhr.
You obviously have Venice. Do you want Trieste? That should be your
absolute limit this year from my point of view. 8-) Or do you really want
to equalize?
I think it obvious that, once again, Italy will withdraw farther rather
than resist.
Ivy
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I think that we can focus on two new centers for each of
us this year. But we may want to back that off to one as
things develop.
Nick is trying to get you to stab me. He is of course
trying to get me to stab you. He has not choice in the
matter really.
I am exhausted and will write more tomorrow. Today was a
very long day and life has too many crisis's in it right
now.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>Had Turkey defended Rumania, I would have
I guess that I need to pay closer attention. I thought
that you had a guaranteed attack on Bulgaria as long as I
did not hit one of your fleets. Sorry for not being
studious enough.
>Careful here. A reduction in my size begins to let
>Turkey off the hook and gives me less opportunity
>to hit Northern Russia. However, I could probably
>afford to pull the EAS fleet if I had to.
This is exactly my purpose. I am concerned long term
about your three fleets. If you removed one, then I
would probably not worry about your size. I am certainly
not asking you to be unable to fight Turkey.
I have to admit that I have been uneasy with your actions
in that I just did not believe that they would continue.
I am continually waiting for the other shoe to fall.
Hence, I decide to ask you what your true motivation was.
Before I was afraid to write to you too much in fear
that you would change your mind. I am realizing that
this is the wrong approach. I need to stay better in
touch with you.
Let's discuss a plan for this year. I assume that you
will be able to take a Turkish center. I also ask if you
would help Russia take back Moscow. In a way this helps
you because it weakens Turkey. It also hurts England,
which is one of your stated goals. I also ask if you
would accept my taking two of your centers so that we
would eliminate one of your fleets. Then when I have
Ven, Rom, Nap, and you have only two fleets I would not
worry about your size. I would be willing to error of
not taking centers faster than you take them rather than
the opposite. Since you cannot build, it would not
matter if you gained net centers.
Eventually I would envision an approach where you press
your armies focus moving up through Russia. You would
probably control Turkey, Bulgaria, Rumania, then parts of
Russia. With only two fleets and your forces far to the
east on the board, we could minimize the forces wasted in
the Balkans. This may be too far out, but it is at least
something to think about.
We can talk specific moves tomorrow and this weekend. I
have to get some sleep.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>Well, you did lie to me about going slow in Italy,
Umm, I thought that was slow. I could have taken three
centers. I did not want Italy to be able to build, so I
needed to take two centers. Sorry if this did not meet
your expectations.
As for your offer to support me against England. If I
did stab England, then I would be the large power whom
everyone ganged up on, to stop. I saw what happened to
Italy. I do not know that I am strong enough to make
such a move. The best I would say is that you should
hold on as best you can this year and we shall reassess
next year. If you someone how managed to keep Ivy from
growing, that would be an even greater enticement. I do
admit that it would be wonderful of your to make it to
the end of the game, whether that is a survival or a
draw. You have done a remarkable job surviving despite
very poor odds. I am impressed and think that you
deserve that much.
But I am trying to help you in that I am trying to
convince Italy to help you take back Moscow. Have you
had much luck in that department?
--Xavier
Message from France to all
Fredd:
>Ya gotta love it. The person who has sent out more
>press than anyone whom I've ever played against, wants
>to be a censor. What could any EOG message say that
>hasn't been said in private many times?
More press to you than Ivy wrote? I am surprised. If
you had been more communicative, you would have gotten
much much more from me. I am not sure if you are
relieved or disappointed. I suspect the former. :-)
Go ahead and broadcast your EOG if you want to. I just
thought it would be more fun to read them all together.
When the game ends, you statement would be hard to
recall (being so long ago), which would be disappointing.
I look forward to hearing what everyone has to say.
Write a End of Units statement if you want :-)
Let us know when you get your hot tub. I assume that you
will invite us all over!
Message from Russia to France
Xavier, My Friend,
> >Well, you did lie to me about going slow in Italy,
> Umm, I thought that was slow. I could have taken three
> centers.
Not if you wanted to be sure of taking Munich, too.
> I did not want Italy to be able to build, so I needed
> to take two centers. Sorry if this did not meet
> your expectations.
Well, my understanding was that EFR would all build one,
with me having an unusable 5th Build. Granted that was
not explicitly laid out, but that's how I thought it would
work out before Turkey got stupid. Given the way things
turned out, I was not upset to see you get two builds, I
just included you in the unamed list of deceivers for the
effect.
> As for your offer to support me against England. If I
> did stab England, then I would be the large power whom
> everyone ganged up on, to stop.
Who's everyone? I'd be working with you, and you will
have Italy sealed off from from his homeland this year, and
Turkey is trapped behind Italy. You'd be fighting England
one on one. Granted he has four Fleets to our two in the
West, but F Rome can and should steam west, and you'd
build next year while England was forced to disband. This
is the time to do it, my friend. Every build England gets
makes your task harder. While you can win by fighting
your way to Turkey, Ivy HAS to stab you to win, and
each time he builds, it's more and more likely to happen.
> I saw what happened to Italy.
Yes, but we're firmly in the mid-game, now, and Italy
was an exposed Central Power. You're Fortress France,
and there's no-one with the cannon to breach your walls,
except England.
> I do not know that I am strong enough to make
> such a move.
With each passing year, you will look more and more
like a threat, and England will build his defenses; the time
to strike is now.
> If you someone how managed to keep Ivy from
> growing, that would be an even greater enticement.
Pie-Ven, will do that quite handily. ;^}
> I do admit that it would be wonderful of your to make
> it to the end of the game, whether that is a survival or a
> draw. You have done a remarkable job surviving despite
> very poor odds. I am impressed and think that you
> deserve that much.
Yes, it would be interesting to have the Powers and
Obsevers vote for "Best Player" at the end of this. I
suspect you'd win, but I'd probably be second. I somehow
doubt that I'll be able to fight my way back to a draw at
this point, but we do have a couple of stalemate line
available to us. 8-)
> But I am trying to help you in that I am trying to
> convince Italy to help you take back Moscow. Have
> you had much luck in that department?
We've been discussing it, and he seems willing to
move to Ukr. Whether he'll then attack Sev, or support
me back to Mos is an open question, though. Have you
written to the Turk? Mos-StP has real potential, this
Spring...
Nick.
(Who can't believe that Carl got voted off of Survivor
tonight. First Jessie, now Carl. Unbelievable.)
Message from Germany to all
> From France
> Let us know when you get your hot tub. I assume that you
> will invite us all over!
Seven guys in a hot tub, not MY idea of fun. ;-)
Message from Italy to France
I can live with your scenario. Which two centers will you be taking so I
know to leave them open?
Are you willing to use one of your fleets to help me take Smyrna or do I
have to take a Turkish center by myself?
Idalia
Message from France to France
End of Year Summary 1907
The goals for last year were to grow fairly quietly,
helping to secure my position at home and advance my
forces into the Mediterranean. It was a pretty
successful year.
I took two Italian centers so that he could not build.
England wanted me to take only one, but the purpose to
not allow Italy to build allowed me to convince him. I
gave England Belgium, to ease his fears of my getting too
many Italian centers. I was able to take Munich to make
up for it. I was worried that I would not be able to,
but the Russian focus on eliminating Germany by driving
to his homeland worked out well for me. It also gave me
an excuse to Turkey for not taking Venice.
I did not write to Italy or Turkey too much because I did
not want to have to tell Turkey no if he asked me to hit
Italy hard for him. I have been giving him the excuse
that England wants me to go slowly. My plan was to let
Italy reduce him in size a bit and then hit Italy hard so
that he is no longer a threat to me. With two moderately
small powers in the corner, that may not get along, I
should be OK. But this would probably eventually create
a large Turkey.
Given Turkey's stab into Russia that hurt Russia as a
threat to England, I am likely to now just let Italy
eliminate Turkey and slowly take Italian centers. I will
do this in better communication with Italy. I worried
that he would eventually turn back to fight me, so I was
hesitant to write him much. But I think that by staying
in communication, I can avoid causing him to turn back to
fight me. He states that his goal is to prevent England
from winning. I am not sure if he would stick to this
goal in the end. But for now I am willing to chance that
he is and slow down my advance on Italian centers. I am
trying to get Italy to agree to remove one fleet. But
then I would not attempt to reduce him further in size,
unless I made a significant stab of 3-4 units from him.
England and I are talking about a 17-17 draw. I am not
sure if I believe that England would stick to it. I do
not know if I would. There is a chance, but if the
opening for the win was there, I would probably take it.
Right now I have to decide if I go for the win now, given
that Italy is willing to help me and Russia claims that
he is. Russia states that he just does not want England
to win. This might be true. But if there is a chance
for Russia and Italy to get into the game by joining an
alliance against me, I suspect that the will. Therefore
I will delay any attack on England for at least a year
and reassess then.
Goals for this year are two Italian centers, one being
Venice. Advancing my poisition into the Balkans. Trying
to help Russia indirectly. Keeping peace with England,
but keeping an eye for positioning for a future stab, as
well as watching for him doing the same.
Roger
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Who is Idalia? Is it another name for Italy? Do you
wish me to call you that instead of Roberto?
>I can live with your scenario.
Great!
>Which two centers will you be taking so I
>know to leave them open?
Venice and unknown. Perhaps Trieste, but we can figure
that out together in the fall.
>Are you willing to use one of your fleets to help me
>take Smyrna or do I have to take a Turkish center by
>myself?
If need be, I can help you. I am especially willing if
this allows you to help Russia take back Moscow.
--Prince Boar
Message from Italy to France
>
> Who is Idalia? Is it another name for Italy?
>
Idalia is the former Austrian ambassador to Italy. She is running the
country since Roberto disappeared one foggy night in Tunis. The change in
name has much more meaning to Turkey and Russia as it does to the west.
> Do you wish me to call you that instead of Roberto?
>
You can call me whatever your heart desires.
> If need be, I can help you. I am especially willing if
> this allows you to help Russia take back Moscow.
>
Russia and I have agreed that I will help him take back Moscow. I will be
moving Rum-Ukr. Russia probably will support the move but might try for
Moscow right away.
I can convoy Bul-Syr and try to move Ser-Bul with Grecian support but in
order to take Smyrna I have to be in Bulgaria and Turkey can bounce Ser-Bul
with Con/Bla combo. I don't have Rum to help since it's moving to the
Ukraine. Of course, Turkey can bounce me in Syria as well but I can't do
anything about that.
If Turkey guesses correctly, are you prepared to scale back my 'reduction in
size'?
Idalia
Message from Russia to all
"Warsaw Komsomolets"
January, 1907
"Growth At Last, But At What Price?"
Reports of riots in St. Petersburg mark the continuing decline of Russian
solidarity. Scores of citizens were injured and three lives were lost as
angry mobs stormed the English and Turkish consulate buildings. The
sound of shattering glass could be heard throughout the city and a few
buildings were seen smoldering in the early light of dawn.
When word of the fall of Germany came to this area, it was hoped the
citizens would once more unite and a wave of support would be felt much
as it did when Austria fell by the wayside. News of declining conditions
for
the troops bravely fighting this war, the stagnation of the economy, the
loss of key positions to supposed allies have clearly left their mark
on the citizens of this great country. Once firmly supporting the Czar
Nicholas and Tsarina Alexandra, the nation now questions why their leader
has chosen this inopportune time to tour the areas of Scandinavia and
Northern Germany when they, themselves, face destitution and ruin.
Government sources are trying to rally the people, promising that things
will
soon change as Turkey and England face defeat and Russian troops move
in to take advantage of this situation. Programs to aid the hardest hit
areas
are in planning and sources say many people may see relief in only a matter
of weeks. The Bolsheviks feel that this aid package will be too little, too
late,
if it arrives at all and have begun to call for revolution.
The citizens of Moscow are reported to be rioting, but not in protest or an
attempt to overthrow the Russian government. Attempts have been made to
foil key operations of the Turkish military and it is rumored that the
partizans
are, indeed, causing much havoc. Leaflets supporting Czar Nicholas and
urging citizens to unite and oppose the heathen Turks that threaten their
homes
are being posted faster than the Turkish Propaganda Corps can remove them.
What will happen in 1908 remains uncertain, but clearly it will be a year of
great change and upheaval.
Message from France to all
I apologize for my recent silence.
Life has been too busy.
Last night was my daughter's birthday
As most of you know, that must
come before Diplomacy.
For single guys like Fredd, think:
Dauther's B-day ~ Date with Girl > Dip
I spent all day today working on a project
for her school. 2nd grade should not take
up this much time! Need to finish tomorrow.
But something that Fredd can understand:
tonight I am going to a Party!
(first one in almost a year :-)
I will write tomorrow AM before
the frenzy begins anew. I know that I owe
most everyone a message. Since I cannot
write you all now, I will wait on everyone.
Regards,
France
Message from France to Italy
Idalia:
How is this for a plan for this year:
F Eas -> Syr
F Aeg -? Eas
F Ion -> Aeg
F Gre s A bul
A rum -> Ukr
A Ser/Bud -> Rum
A Vie ? -> Gal? Perhaps on its way to Silesia or to
help with Rum?
I will ask Turkey to support Ion to Aeg. In order for
him to do so, he cannot block your move to Syria. He is
likely to support my move because in theory it could help
him stop you from taking a center, or even help him take
one from you. This should guarantee that you will get
one Turkish center.
To answer your other question, I will not force you to
disband two units.
I am going to write to Turkey right now to see if he
would consider the support, but will not commit to it
100% so I can hear from you.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Turkey
Ali:
Will you support me to the Aegean. You can do so without
risking any of your centers. If successful, which it is
likely to be, that would put us in a position to prevent
Italy from taking any of your home centers. It may even
cause him to disband a fleet, if we are lucky.
What are your plans for Army Moscow? I am sure that
Russia wants you to move it to St. Petes. Has Ivy asked
you to do anything with it? Did he know (or request)
that you were moving or to Moscow last year?
I can take Venice for certain this year, perhaps Trieste
as well.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
The Dauphin is not ready to attack Ivy this year. We
understand your statements about he will only get larger,
but so will France. He will never know what was best, we
just have to do what the Dauphin's gut tells him to do.
But please do everything that you can to stay viable and
continue to ask the Dauphin.
Meanwhile Italy seems willing to help you take back
Moscow. I am giving him concessions to encourage it.
--Xavier
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I am not certain what questions of your I need to answer.
I think that you asked about moving an armies through
Holland and Ruhr. This makes me a little nervous, but I
must be reasonable and allow you to get positioned for a
second center.
I am not yet certain whether we should each take one or
two. I think that we need to see how the spring goes.
The big question is whether you would like to bounce in
the Channel. Let me know.
I hope that things are going well. I am fighting off a
hang over. I forget why I do not go to so many parties
anymore! Well, it is mostly the children. But the
pounding headache the next morning is another reason.
:-)
--Prince Boar
PS: Go Steelers! Just not Jerome Bettis. He plays
against my Fantasy Team :-)
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
"There's always something." -- Roseanne Roseannadana
For you, 2nd grade and a party. For me, standing outside in the dark and
windy cold with friends for three hours last night (can't tell you what we
were doing, but it had a vague resemblance to a sporting event) and
spending all Sunday morning at work. That's where I am now.
I haven't had time to write much, but in the midst of my messy life I have
been thinking about "titleist."
We had earlier observed that I am closer to you, but you are closer to
enemy centers. Of course, the distance from England to France is exactly
the same as the distance from France to England. So, I am closer to you
only in the sense that my units are mostly still back in the northeast,
while you are on the threshold of the wealth of centers that are packed in
Austria, the Balkans and Turkey.
Given our intention of sweeping from west to east, it seems to me that I am
at a distinct disadvantage. No only do I have farther to go, but I am
meeting resistance, while you get to occupy empty spaces. In short, what
everyone in this game is telling me about your position versus mine seems
to be pretty much on the mark. What they want is for me to attack
you. But you know that, of course.
What I am leading up to is this. In spite of my earlier suggestion that we
each go for two units this year, and in spite of your comment that I may
have to exercise restraint, I am asking that we equalize our forces this
year. This gives me a chance to move my two new armies to the east while
restraining your own eastward movement a little. You would still have an
advantage, for my armies will be moving away from England/France, but they
would still be much farther from Austria and the Balkans than your pieces.
Can we do this? Say, two for me and one for you?
>The big question is whether you would like to bounce in
>the Channel. Let me know.
I hadn't thought of this, but I think I am willing to do it. My Holland
fleet is somewhat misplaced and cannot participate in the attack on Russia.
>PS: Go Steelers! Just not Jerome Bettis. He plays
>against my Fantasy Team :-)
The Steelers play Monday at 9:00. That will feel like 10:00 because of the
change to standard time. My normal bedtime is around 10 -11, so I am going
to be one tired person come Tuesday morning.
Ivy
Message from Italy to France
>
> How is this for a plan for this year:
> F Eas -> Syr
> F Aeg -? Eas
> F Ion -> Aeg
> F Gre s A bul
> A rum -> Ukr
Works for me. I'll leave out the other army moves. You can't know
everything. :)
> To answer your other question, I will not force you to
> disband two units.
I would prefer the wording to be: "I will not force you to disband more than
one unit."
Idalia
Message from Russia to France
Xavier, My Friend,
> The Dauphin is not ready to attack Ivy this year.
I had hoped that my unflagging support for France's
cause, even inextremis, including repeated urgings to
Ivy to call off his attack on France and turn on Germany,
would have entitled Russia to more generous support.
> We understand your statements about he will only get
> larger, but so will France.
Yes, but if he gets two builds this year, and he's likely to,
unless you support me in Northern Germany, can you be
sure that he won't build Fleets? As it stands now he has
enough Fleets to attack me, or attack you, but not both,
and since he's likely to attack me, you will have an opening
to attack this year. If he builds two Fleets this Fall, that
opening will no longer exist, and I will lack the strength to
aid your attack. If you are unwilling to attack England, are
you willing to support me in Northern Germany?
> Meanwhile Italy seems willing to help you take back
> Moscow. I am giving him concessions to encourage it.
If you make concessions to Italy, and don't attack England,
you run the risk of English growth out-pacing your own, and
Ivy realizing that to win he has to stab you. You can win in
the Med, IF Ivy doesn't stab you, but he is playing England,
and must realize that any English victory requires attacking
France.
Nick.
Message from France to Italy
Idalia:
chuckle, yes I note your correction. I will not force
you to disband more than one center.
Good luck.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Turkey
Ali:
I have ordered F Ion to Aeg. Please support it I
outlined the reasons in my last note.
Good luck. Answer my other questions when you get time.
It will be a busy day today, so there is no rush on that.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I understand your request to even up our forces. I am
not surprise at how "everyone" is telling you that I am a
risk to you. They tell me the same thing about you. How
you will stab me because you must stab me, blah blah
blah. They are doing the only thing that they can do,
try to split us up. Otherwise they are toast. But a
two-way or 50-50 shot at a win is much better than a 3 or
4 way draw, hence I will not stab you. I believe that
you will make the same choice.
As for my taking only one center this year, I am
considering it. I need to see what happens in the spring
before we can really know what makes sense. My biggest
concern would be your 5-6 units in the area to my 2-3.
maybe we can find a way for us both to be happy.
Although I may not have any perceived resistance right
now, that will change soon. When either Turkey or Italy
falls, the victor will be strong and will then be much
more of a factor than any remnants of Russia. Even
though Russia is resisting, there is nothing he can do to
stop you from taking Sweden and Kiel this year. As long
as I do not interfere (he is asking of course), you will
have no problem. I will not interfere.
--Prince Boar
PS: I will order Brest to the Channel, because I think
that is what you wanted.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I understand all your reasoning and I admit that there
are so many ways to see things. I just have to go with
what my gut tells me is my best choice. I will probably
at least put some pressure on Ivy by keeping him honest
in the channel. I will also hang out around Munich and
see how things look in the fall.
I will try to think about the game again this evening
after many many meetings.
--Prince Boar
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
>I understand all your reasoning and I admit that there
>are so many ways to see things. I just have to go with what my gut tells
>me is my best choice.
Well, actually, you could accept my clear
strategic vision, instead. ;^} You probably get this
fairly often, but this is the first time I've looked
at a mid-game position and seen a clear path to the
end-game. I just wish I was in a position to exploit
it.
>I will probably at least put some pressure on Ivy by keeping him honest in
>the channel. I will also hang out around Munich and see how things look in
>the fall.
If you're unwilling to attack Ivy, are you at
least willing to support me in Kiel/Berlin? There
is no way for me to defend Swe, but without your
support, I'm likely to lose Kiel, as well.
>I will try to think about the game again this evening after many many
>meetings.
I should be available this evening.
Nick.
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
>I understand your request to even up our forces.
> But a two-way or 50-50 shot at a win is much better than a 3 or 4 way
> draw, hence I will not stab you.
By my estimate, the odds are not nearly equal, i.e. not at all 50-50, if we
stay on our present course. You reach lots of centers far before I do.
>As for my taking only one center this year, I am
>considering it. I need to see what happens in the spring
>before we can really know what makes sense. My biggest
>concern would be your 5-6 units in the area to my 2-3.
>maybe we can find a way for us both to be happy.
Would you agree to taking only one center this year after you see in the
spring that I really do convoy my armies eastward, i.e. away from
England/France and toward Russia/Austria?
Most cordially,
a very busy Ivy
Message from Master to all
One-day extension at player request.
Doug
Message from England to France
I didn't request the extension, but I could sure use it. I don't think I
have devoted 15 minutes to this game since the builds.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to France
Prince Boar,
Sorry for the delay in my reply. I have ordered support for Ion-Aeg. Good
luck!
Ali
Message from Russia to France
As it turns out, I need to take my son to Cub
Scouts tonight, so I probably won't be on this
evening afterall, but I will respond to any press
that I receive in the morning.
Nick.
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
Grrr. An oversight. I've been distracted the last several days, and I
forgot that I planned Hol->Ruh and Bel supp Lon->Hol. That way I would
have three units on Kiel in the fall. Support of the convoy is needed to
protect against Kiel->Holland in the spring, which would otherwise bounce
my convoy to Holland.
If you still want to bounce in the channel, can you use Munich to support
Holland->Kiel immediately?
If not, I have a dilemma. I will almost surely support the convoy and
trust you not to go to the channel.
What do you think. Do you see any alternative?
Ivy
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I will hold in Brest. That allows me flexibility in
deciding what to do with my army in Munich. Do not be
alarmed if I end up supporting Kiel to hold from Munich.
Since you are not going for it, it will not affect you in
the Spring. In the fall, you will take it from *Ruhr* I
presume! :-)
As for your request that I only take one center. I will
serious consider building only one unit. I just need to
see what happens in the spring before I can commit to
that. Your forces moving East will of course help to
give me a sense of peace with it.
We are both doing a little posturing, pointing out the
other's strengths and down playing our own. How about we
agree to put a stop to that (I am certainly counting
myself strongly in the we). Certainly we have different
things going for us. We can, and should discuss it, to
keep our relationship healthy and stable. But we need
not exaggerate it and treat it like a debate to be won.
In the end, mutual cooperation is what will be needed to
keep things even and reduce the risk. To that end, you
need armies in Russia so that you can participate in the
final dismantling of whomever surround the Black Sea.
That should ease both of our concerns (yours that I have
more access and mine that your forces are closer to our
border).
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
At this time, I have ordered Munich will support Kiel to
hold in the spring. I can not make any guarantees for
the fall.
I hope that Cub Scouts was enjoyable. We bought some
very overpriced carmel corn from some of your compatriots
:-) Others returned the favor by buying overpriced Girl
Scout cookies!
--Xavier
Message from France to Turkey
Ali:
Thanks for the support. We shall see what happens.
--Prince Boar
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
>At this time, I have ordered Munich will support Kiel to
>hold in the spring. I can not make any guarantees for
>the fall.
Would you be willing to order Mun S Ber-Kie, instead?
I'm not sure I want to move further west at this
point, but it is a possibility under consideration by
the Imperial Germeral Staff.
In Haste,
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
>Mun S Ber-Kie
So ordered. Let meknow if you wish to switch back.
--Xavier
Message from Russia to France
> >Mun S Ber-Kie
>So ordered. Let me know if you wish to switch back.
My thanks. How late will you be available this
evening? (I have an overdue project that I'm
hoping to finish today at work, so I probably
won't finalize my orders until tonight.)
Nick.
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
More chaos. I left work to take my father to a medical appointment. We
sat in the waiting room for over an hour beyond the appointed time before
we were called.
>I will hold in Brest. That allows me flexibility in
>deciding what to do with my army in Munich.
This works for me. I should not need Munich at all in the fall then.
> Do not be alarmed if I end up supporting Kiel to hold from Munich.
I probably would have been alarmed, but not now.
>Since you are not going for it, it will not affect you in
>the Spring. In the fall, you will take it from *Ruhr* I
>presume! :-)
As you would say, "I will seriously consider it." 8-)
I am indeed somewhat serious, because it may become evident that you could
get as many as 3 more units next year. Italy is absolutely determined to
leave his rear unguarded. His attitude is either he makes it into the
corner or he loses, and he doesn't care who he loses to. If it becomes
clear that you can get two or three more next year, then we may want to
position me to take Munich. But, we'll see.
>We are both doing a little posturing, pointing out the
>other's strengths and down playing our own. How about we
>agree to put a stop to that (I am certainly counting
>myself strongly in the we).
Oh, let's posture a little. One man's posturing is another's genuine paranoia.
Ivy
Message [from England] to all
What county do you live in Doug? Perhaps you need a subgroup of the
Vermont group consisting of those who have a consistent record of
submitting moves on time -- the Xxxxxx County group.
> News about USIN can be found at
> http://www.thekleimans.com/diplomacy/usin.htm
>
> All unmoderated games will be removed.
> Judge address is usin@theKleimans.com
> New Registrations will be reviewed for completeness and
> removed without notice if determined incomplete.
>
>Message from masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master to England in 'titleist':
>
>One more friendly reminder to submit moves tonight. Each deadline missed
>usually costs us a day; I'm trying to keep the game moving in order to
>finish sometime near the end of the year. The only way to avoid annoying
>emails like this is to submit orders and set wait. And even then, I might
>write to ask you to set nowait. ;-)
>
>Thanks!
>
>Doug
Message from England to all
Who could this mystery writer be? He cleverly covers his tracks with grey
broadcasts.
Ivy
>Broadcast message in 'titleist':
>
>What county do you live in Doug? Perhaps you need a subgroup of the
>Vermont group consisting of those who have a consistent record of
>submitting moves on time -- the Xxxxxx County group.
> >Message from masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master to England in 'titleist':
> >
> >One more friendly reminder to submit moves tonight. etc.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
If will check later tonight. I was swamped today and then my wife
called with news that the car would not stop.
If I was to move to Ruhr, would you be able to do something with Kiel
yourself? Would you consider Kiel -> Baltic, Berlin to Kiel? I do not
know if I would do this, but I wanted to know what you would consider.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I had some time this evening and was pondering possibilities. I do not
see how it would be possible to force England to disband any units. At
best we could try to keep him even. He will certainly take Sweden. If
I took Belgium, that would cause him to break even. But taking Belgium
forces Kiel to be at risk, i.e. you would have to order Kiel to Holland
in the fall and would not be able to protect it. (Assuming that you
order Ber s Kie in the spring.)
Hmmm, perhaps if I used Army Marseilles in the North, rather than the
south it would be possible to protect Kiel with Ber -> Kie s by Mun in
the fall. That surely weakens my southern position in that I would only
have one army down there. Can you see any way to guarantee Belgium
without risking Kiel?
If you are to busy to ponder these possibilities, I will just go down
the two-way alliance path. Let me know if you are around.
--Xavier
Message from France to England
Ivy
>As you would say, "I will seriously consider it." 8-)
Touche! :-)
OK. I am willing to discuss Ruhr in the fall.
I just did not want to make a promise that I would
be forced to back out of. I truly expect that I will
be able to meet your need and build only 1 unit.
Note that I may take 2 centers, but build only 1
unit. I would say it is 95% certain that I will
build only 1. It is 50-50 on whether I might feel
that I need to take two centers. It depends on
what happens. I hope that this makes you
feel more at ease. I should have been more
clear but have been so busy.
--Prince Boar
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
> If I was to move to Ruhr, would you be able to do something with Kiel
> yourself? Would you consider Kiel -> Baltic, Berlin to Kiel? I do not
> know if I would do this, but I wanted to know what you would consider.
Are you talking Mun-Ruh, or Bur-Ruh? Mun S Ber-Kie, Bur-Ruh,
Kie-Hel would certainly prevent England from taking Kiel this Fall.
Mun-Ruh exposes me to Hol S Den-Kiel, though.
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
You should focus on my second message. Perhaps you already are doing
so. I will wait and keep checking.
--Xavier
Message from France to Italy
Idalia:
Do you recall how you sought clarification that my
statement that I would not force you to disband two units
did not imply that I might force you to disband more?
Well I have a similar issue. You said that the movement
of your armies were to remain secret. I have no problem
with this. However, I do want to make certain that they
stay east and do not wander towards Munich. Can I count
on that? I do not need to know where they are going,
just that they are not heading west or northwest :-)
I think it likely that we will be able to help you take a
Turkish center. Couple that with Turkey losing Moscow
and you will be in good shape to exercise Turkey from the
corner.
I am looking forward to working more with you.
--Prince Boar
Message from Russia to France
Xavier,
> I had some time this evening and was pondering possibilities. I do not
> see how it would be possible to force England to disband any units.
We can hope for Mos-StP, either on it's own, or on retreat.
> best we could try to keep him even. He will certainly take Sweden. If
> I took Belgium, that would cause him to break even. But taking Belgium
> forces Kiel to be at risk, i.e. you would have to order Kiel to Holland
> in the fall and would not be able to protect it. (Assuming that you
> order Ber s Kie in the spring.)
Ber-Kie, Kie-Hel, Bur-Ruh, opens us possibilities for a supported attack
on Hol, Bel, or Den.
> Hmmm, perhaps if I used Army Marseilles in the North, rather than the
> south it would be possible to protect Kiel with Ber -> Kie s by Mun in
> the fall. That surely weakens my southern position in that I would only
> have one army down there. Can you see any way to guarantee Belgium
> without risking Kiel?
Given Italy's focus on Turkey, I suspect Mar - Bur would not weaken
your Southern position significantly.
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I guess that what I would need from you in this hasty time frame is your
agreement to order
a unit to holland in the fall. Whether you order ber s kie now and in
the fall agreement to order kie -> hol, ber -> kie (s by Mun) or another
plan is your choice. I favor this one as no risk to you. But I would
also want a longer term agreement to work with me to defeat England.
This will help you grow to a legitimate size. If I end up winning, at
least you will not be eliminated and will have been a part of it. There
is also the chance for a FRT or FRI draw. My other option is to work
slowly with England and hope for the 50-50 chance at the victory. This
may end up with a EFI or EFT draw.
Are you willing to make this commitment (i.e. to work with me to help
squash out Ivy, who just stabbed you)? Can you convince me that you
will not just turn on me as soon as I am at war with England?
I will be here until the deadline.
--Xavier
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I guess that Hel & Kie would be stronger for the fall, it just risks
Kiel in the spring. If you lose Kiel, that means that Belgium will not
also fall. I do not think that Ivy is going for Kiel in the spring,
because he probably wants to ensure that he take it in the fall. Hence
it might be worth the risk. If we did take Holland and Belgium, that
would mean that England would lose a net center. But he would still
build as he would likely disband both of those units and build a fleet
in Liverpool.
Just tell me that you are committed to grow at England's expense and I
will help you do so. I just do not want to take him on by myself. He
will have me matched with his fleets and it will be very slow going for
me until you make gains in Scandinavia. So I guess that you have little
to lose and much to gain. :-)
--Xavier
PS: Sorry that I am waiting until the last minute for this. Your words
earlier have just started to sink in, now that I have a little time.
Message from Russia to France
> I guess that what I would need from you in this hasty time frame is your
> agreement to order a unit to holland in the fall.
Agreed.
> Whether you order ber s kie now and in the fall agreement to order
> kie -> hol, ber -> kie (s by Mun) or another plan is your choice.
> I favor this one as no risk to you.
How does Kie-Hel, Mun S Ber-Kie, Bur-Ruh, Mar-Bur, followed
by Mun S Kie, Kie S Hel-Hol, Bur S Ruh-Bel, sound?
> But I would also want a longer term agreement to work with me to
> defeat England.
Didn't I propose this to you? I'm sure that I meant too... ;^}
> There is also the chance for a FRT or FRI draw.
Why not an FR 2-way? *wink*
> Are you willing to make this commitment (i.e. to work with me to help
> squash out Ivy, who just stabbed you)? Can you convince me that you
> will not just turn on me as soon as I am at war with England?
I'm really badly positioned to turn on you, don't you think?
> I will be here until the deadline.
Me too.
Nick.
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I would need to support Bur to Ruh as Holland is very likely to go to
Ruhr. But that means that Kiel is safe.
Let's do it. Ivy will be upset with me. But you agree that you would
rather see me win than be eliminated by Ivy. I guess that is not quite
a promise to help me win is it? :-)
And who knows, there might be a FR two-way, but I did not suggest it to
you because I want you to believe me and trying to get you to believe in
low probility senarios hurts that trust. But believe in it if you want
to. Anything is possible in this game.
Oh, I thought of something. If you are Hel and Kiel, then it is a
guessing game. Hel -> Hol s by Kie fails if Den -> Kie. But you can
foil that with Kie -> Hol s by Hel and Mun -> Kie. That is foiled by
Nth -> Hel, but he needs Nth to support Holland. The choice would be
entirely your call. I am just throwing out the options. I would
absolutely not want to take Kiel from you! I need you to build.
--Xavier
Message from France to Russia
Nick:
I am going to bed now. I have a very early morning.
Good luck to us.
--Xavier
Message from Russia to France
I'm ordering Kiel-Helg, Ber-Kie, War-Mos. 8-)
Nick.
(Who damn-near signed his own name.)
England: Fleet Belgium → English Channel (*bounce*)
England: Army Denmark HOLD
England: Army Edinburgh → North Sea → Belgium (*bounce*)
England: Army Holland → Ruhr (*bounce*)
England: Army London HOLD
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Edinburgh → Belgium
England: Fleet Norway HOLD
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → North Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Adriatic Sea SUPPORT Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
France: Fleet Brest → English Channel (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Ruhr
France: Fleet Ionian Sea → Aegean Sea
France: Army Marseilles → Burgundy
France: Army Munich SUPPORT Army Burgundy → Ruhr
France: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
France: Army Piedmont → Venice
France: Fleet Rome → Tyrrhenian Sea
Italy: Fleet Aegean Sea → Eastern Mediterranean
Italy: Army Budapest → Rumania (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Budapest → Rumania
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Syria
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Italy: Army Rumania → Ukraine (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Budapest → Rumania
Italy: Army Vienna → Galicia
Russia: Army Berlin → Kiel
Russia: Fleet Kiel → Helgoland Bight
Russia: Army Warsaw → Moscow (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Ankara SUPPORT Fleet Smyrna
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Constantinople
Turkey: Army Constantinople HOLD
Turkey: Army Moscow → Ukraine (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna SUPPORT French Fleet Ionian Sea → Aegean Sea
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