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Message from Austria to Italy
I'd say that turn went well for us. Most pleasant was the RT
bounce in Bla. While it doesn't necessarily mean no RT alliance
exists or will be formed, it at least slows any advance of Turkish
fleets to the Med. Specifically, it means that a Lepanto attack
cannot be stopped.
Our ambassador to Turkey is going to offer him support for Rum-Bul.
If his "war" with Russia is real, he may accept. That will prevent
at least one build (Russian), and further distract Turkey from the
Lepanto; it also will make it harder for Turkey to seek or gain
Russian help once he realizes we're attacking him.
The RG bounce in Burgundy wasn't disappointing, either. It makes
it less likely that French fleets will soon be free to sail into
the Mediterranean.
Since you've already done Germany the favor of not moving into
Tyrolia, perhaps you could encourage him to bounce Russia from
Sweden. I'd prefer Russia as weak as possible, both because he's
Turkey's most natural ally and because that's where I'm headed once
Turkey begins to fall.
I urge the convoy to Tunis, now more than ever; the free tempo that
Turkey's bounce has granted us should not be wasted by diverting
the Ion fleet.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from England to Italy
Good day, Roberto.
Lots of bounces. Lots of careful moves. The bounce in Burgundy was
arranged. So too, I think, the Black Sea. What about Trieste?
I hope it was arranged as well, because Russia seems to be very confident
of his security in the south. I would hate to see RT take Austria with
Italian help and then calmly keep marching westward over all our bodies.
Russia/Turkey is a real no/no.
I am curious about your feelings on the EFG triangle. It is entirely
possible that it could resolve itself in any of the three possible
permutations. Under the assumption that I might actually have a choice in
the matter, do you care to express an opinion on the merits of EF vs. EG?
If you prefer FG I am sure that you will make that known to others.
My own mind is in a tizzy. EG remains appealing because France is
dangerous. Give him a head of steam and every country on earth will have
something to fear. EF is appealing because Germany has yet to demonstrate
that he cares a whit about this game.
Care to comment?
Yours,
Ivy
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 6&7 Results:
First, I wanted to wish everyone a very happy Bastille
Day. This being our national holiday, I have been busy
with festivities and have not been very communicative. I
apologize for that. But sometimes, the people are more
important than my neighbors in Europe. I even missed an
update on the Tour de France. Fittingly a Frenchman took
today's stage. Although he rides for a team in a
different country, we take pride in his accomplishment
all the same. This is his second stage and gives the
Turk's 20 points and a tie for first in the standings.
The prior stage was taking by Jaan Kirsipuu from AG2R.
He rides for none of our teams.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 10 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Jens Voigt (C.A.) 29 hours, 51 minutes, 29 seconds
2. Laurent Jalabert (CSC/Tascali) @ 2:34
5. Igor G. Galdeano (ONC) @ 5:00
9. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ 5:20
15. Lance Armstrong (USP) @ 5:56
19. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 6:23
Current Leaders:
Yellow Jersey: Jens Voigt [50 points] - no one
Green Jersey: Erik Zabel [20 points] - Germany
Polkadot Jersey: Patrice Halgand [20 points] - no one
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
The Dauhphin grunt a thank you to you, which I am passing
on. Let me add to his eloquence. This was a great
beginning for us. More than just choosing a set of
military operations, we have start a long relationship.
One where we watch each other's back and defend one key
border for each other. We each must hope that the other
propsers. Yes there will be worries if the other
prospers too much. But we can find ways to work things
out. One nice thing about our friendship is the distance
between us. A quick stab is impossible.
You must also be pleased that Turkish fleets will not be
in the Mediterranean in the fall. He will likely have
one eyeing the waters, but none will be on the waters.
-- Prince Boar
Message [from Russia] to all
Tsar Nicholas,
I would like to bring your attention to a most serious problem facing our
fatherland. We are almost bankrupt. The agriculture minister is failing
in his duty to feed us, and our industry, while great, is backward
compared to the great European powers. We must take steps now to
secure a strong foundation for our future economic growth.
Russia more than any other country needs a proper economic foundation
for her national policy and culture. International competition does not
wait. If we do not take energetic and decisive measures so that in the
course of the next decades our industry will be able to satisfy the needs
of Russia and of the Asiatic countries which are---or should be---under
our influence, then the rapidly growing foreign industries will break
through our tariff barriers and establish themselves in our fatherland and
the Asiatic countries mentioned above. Our economic backwardness
may lead to political and cultural backwardness as well.
In order to modernize our industry and provide this secure foundation, I
propose that we undertake to greatly increase the breadth and scope of
our railroads. The presence of railroads, especially in the far reaches of
our interior provinces is vital to tying our economy together and reaching
our production goals. This railroad must stretch from St Petersburg, to
Moscow, to the ore fields of the Ukraine. It must reach from the
granaries of Warsaw to the farthest village in Siberia and the eastern
coast of our great country. Only with a strong, vibrant railroad, can we
unite our country and at the same time provide our military with the
transportation backbone needed to protect our national security from the
imperial powers of the west.
In this let us learn from the United States, whose Trans-continental
railroad has opened the vast expanses of territory purchased by Tomas
Jefferson. We have an even greater expanse of earth to unite, let it be
by rail!
In order to fund this effort, we will need capitol. I estimate that it
will take the resources of fourteen additional great cities such as
St. Petersburg to supply the vital expansion of our industry. Some of
this will come from the benefit of the railroad itself. Efficiency in
production and shipping will pick up some of the slack. However,
every effort must still be given to obtaining the resources of Europe for
our growth. Whether this be by trade or by conquest, I will leave for
you and our generals to decide. I beg of you not to let this matter drop.
If we do not obtain these resources, I fear that 100 years from now, our
country will be as backwards as it is today, while the great powers of the
west, and perhaps even the pitiful United States of America will have
passed us in all areas of greatness. I do not wish to see our fatherland
exploited by the European powers like they have Africa and the isles of
the sea.
I await your comments.
Respectfully,
Sergei Witte
Minster of Finance
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 8 Results:
Rabobank's Erik Dekker (RAB) sprinted to a wet and cold
stage victory Sunday in Pontarlier beating other
breakaway companions Stuart O'Grady (CA), fifth today,
will again wear the yellow leader's jersey. The main
peloton finished 35 minutes behind. Can the top
contenders make up that difference in the Mountains?
The Russian pick up their second stage and now join the
tie for the lead.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 0 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Stuart O_Grady (C.A.) 34-hours 57-minutes 18-seconds
3. Bram De Groot (RAB) @ 21:16
11. Laurent Jalabert (CSC) @ 31:57
12. Bobby Julich (C.A.) @ 33:49
13. Igor G. Galdeano (ONC) @34:23
17. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ 34:43
24. Lance Armtrong (USP) @ 35:19
27. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 35:46
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to all
> Tour de France Stage 8 Results:
>
> Rabobank's Erik Dekker (RAB) sprinted to a wet and
> cold stage victory Sunday in Pontarlier beating other
> breakaway companions
Ah, the Dekker lad! He's from a good union family, you
know. They are the managing partners in the Black&Decker
tool company.
V. I. Lenin,
European Union Steward for Russia, (and Team Rabobank).
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
How goes it?
The EFG situation is still all mixed up with the Russian surprise move to
Finland causing us all to figure out what it eventually means.
Let me know if you ever get a hankering to come west. Your wishes may
matter a lot to me as long as this situation is still fluid.
Ivy
Message [from France] to all
BG> Holey Openings Diploman, we final got things underway!
DM> Yes, Boy Gambit. The openings were extremely conservative. No one seemed
to want to annoy anyone else.
BG> Well, the Russia seemed to have some balls. He sent an army North, which
sure must annoy Ivy Wingo.
DM> I suppose you are right. Perhaps he is the only one willing to stick his
neck out.
BG> I like that. I think that it is a smart move. A bold move among
conservative ones can make the different and get him a leg up on the
competition.
DM> Or it can set him up for a fall. Only time will tell.
Message from Italy to Austria, England, France, Germany, Russia, and Turkey
Gentlemen,
I had an all-day presentation at work today. I will be in contact with
everybody tomorrow.
Roberto
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 8 Results:
Russia's Serguei Ivanov (FAS) took stage 9 of the 2001
Tour de France in a classic solo effort. He barely held a
break away from the main pack at the finish line.
Tomorrow the riders will finish with a climb of the
legendary Alpe d'Huez and the standings should shake
up considerably.
This win for Fassa Bortolo gives Roberto his first
points. Congratulations.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 0 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Stuart O_Grady (C.A.) 38-hours 55-minutes 30-seconds
3. Bram De Groot (RAB) @ 21:16
11. Laurent Jalabert (CSC) @ 31:57
13. Igor G. Galdeano (ONC) @34:23
17. Christophe Moreau (FES) @ 34:43
23. Lance Armtrong (USP) @ 35:19
27. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 35:46
Tomorrow the Race Begins!
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to England
>
> Lots of bounces. Lots of careful moves. The bounce in Burgundy was
> arranged. So too, I think, the Black Sea. What about Trieste?
>
Trieste was indeed a pre-arranged bounce. I have no plans on attacking
Austria.
>
> I am curious about your feelings on the EFG triangle.
> do you care to express an opinion on the merits
> of EF vs. EG?
It would seem the most logical from a tactical point of view would be for EG
to develop. The Russian move to STP is obviously an aggressive move against
you forcing you to use all of your units merely to grab the one center that
belongs to you to begin with. Combine that with a +3 France, and I doubt it
would take much to convince Germany of the need to ally. Germany shouldn't
want to be between a RF alliance anymore that you would.
> Let me know if you ever get a hankering to come west.
> Your wishes may matter a lot to me as long as this
> situation is still fluid.
I will have to wait and see what France has to say. I am going to try to
convince him not to grab Belgium this fall since that would have the very
real chance of a 'stop-the-leader' crusade forming. He keeps babbling on
about equal growth and mutual defense so if he grabs Belgium I'm going to
have to ask for one of his centers to even out our strength or demand that I
get a couple of eastern centers before he gets a sniff at a seventh.
Without that, I'd be pretty much forced to campaign against him.
> EF is appealing because Germany has yet to demonstrate
> that he cares a whit about this game.
>
This could be a major problem. Hopefully, he's communicated some the last
few days. He hasn't sent me anything since the results arrived.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Germany
Was just curious your thoughts on the spring results, specifically what you
thought of the Russian move to STP and of France's potential for gaining
three centers?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
Ivy seems to feel that he has to support himself
into Nwy, even though I have no desire to have an Army
stuck in St. Petersburg when winter comes. As a result,
is seems likely that France will get three builds. You
might want to consider Ven-Pie this Fall, just to keep
Prince Boar honest. I haven't heard from Turkey or
Germany since moves came through, which has me somewhat
concerned, but since everyone but me seems to view
Mos-StP as anti-English, perhaps I don't have to worry
about Germany quite so much. Any thoughts or
information you'd care to share would be much
appreciated.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
Thank you.
Germany is beginning to come around a little with press. France, and now
Russia too, sends a lot. I am listening to everybody and trying to do a
little persuasion of my own. In the end, I will have to guess between
entering Norway with force or splitting my units toward Norway and Belgium.
Austria has written a couple of times to warn me of Russian action. He
seems to be afraid of Russia. Turkey says nothing on the subject. As
usual, I suppose, the world is watching for evidence of a Russia-Turkey
alliance.
Keep in touch.
Ivy Wingo
>Message from Italy to England in 'titleist':
>
>>
>> Lots of bounces. Lots of careful moves. The bounce in Burgundy was
>> arranged. So too, I think, the Black Sea. What about Trieste?
>>
>
>Trieste was indeed a pre-arranged bounce. I have no plans on attacking
>Austria.
>
>>
>> I am curious about your feelings on the EFG triangle.
>> do you care to express an opinion on the merits
>> of EF vs. EG?
>
>It would seem the most logical from a tactical point of view would be for EG
>to develop. The Russian move to STP is obviously an aggressive move against
>you forcing you to use all of your units merely to grab the one center that
>belongs to you to begin with. Combine that with a +3 France, and I doubt it
>would take much to convince Germany of the need to ally. Germany shouldn't
>want to be between a RF alliance anymore that you would.
>
>> Let me know if you ever get a hankering to come west.
>> Your wishes may matter a lot to me as long as this
>> situation is still fluid.
>
>I will have to wait and see what France has to say. I am going to try to
>convince him not to grab Belgium this fall since that would have the very
>real chance of a 'stop-the-leader' crusade forming. He keeps babbling on
>about equal growth and mutual defense so if he grabs Belgium I'm going to
>have to ask for one of his centers to even out our strength or demand that I
>get a couple of eastern centers before he gets a sniff at a seventh.
>Without that, I'd be pretty much forced to campaign against him.
>
>> EF is appealing because Germany has yet to demonstrate
>> that he cares a whit about this game.
>>
>
>This could be a major problem. Hopefully, he's communicated some the last
>few days. He hasn't sent me anything since the results arrived.
>
>Life is Beautiful,
>
>Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
Ivy seems to feel that he has to support himself
into Nwy, even though I have no desire to have an Army
stuck in St. Petersburg when winter comes. As a result,
is seems likely that France will get three builds. You
might want to consider Ven-Pie this Fall, just to keep
Prince Boar honest. I haven't heard from Turkey or
Germany since moves came through, which has me somewhat
concerned, but since everyone but me seems to view
Mos-StP as anti-English, perhaps I don't have to worry
about Germany quite so much. Any thoughts or
information you'd care to share would be much
appreciated.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
Still hoping from a reply from you. I was greatly encouraged by our early
dialogues, and am sorry to see you going silent. I hope that it does not
indicate Italian ill-will for Turkey.
Austria is encouraging me to attack Russia. I am prepared to do so, and my
plan is to build an army subsequently, though I'll have to sell it to
Austria. Obviously, I'm counting a great deal on the fact that you and I
will be able to build on our early goodwill. If this is not the case, then
I hope you'll do the honorable thing and be up front about it. If you have
any concern, please voice it so I can respond.
I was surprised to see your attack on Trieste, after my warning of Austria's
plans for A Vie. Can you tell me, was the bounce pre-arranged? Austria is
claiming that it was not, but rather that it was a genuine attack. I
suspect Austria is simply playing us off of each other, which of course
makes me very nervous about taking him up on anti-Russian offers.
Anyway, if you want an ally who won't work against you behind your back,
then I hope you'll write at your earliest convenience. I very much look
forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Ali Baba
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> I'd say that turn went well for us. Most pleasant was the RT
> bounce in Bla. While it doesn't necessarily mean no RT alliance
> exists or will be formed, it at least slows any advance of Turkish
> fleets to the Med.
>
I would agree. The northern army move by Russia caught me by surprise.
Definitely weakens his southern flank but just as important causes England
to react which may occupy more Russian units in the north than normal. If
we can expedite the Turkish attack, we have an opportunity to control the
board.
I'm going to need to keep an eye on France as he will most likely gain three
units this fall. I have to be careful about pushing too far east and
leaving my backside exposed. A lot will depend on his builds.
> Our ambassador to Turkey is going to offer him support for Rum-Bul.
> If his "war" with Russia is real, he may accept. That will prevent
> at least one build (Russian), and further distract Turkey from the
> Lepanto; it also will make it harder for Turkey to seek or gain
> Russian help once he realizes we're attacking him.
>
Very good idea. Let me know how he responds.
> The RG bounce in Burgundy wasn't disappointing, either. It makes
> it less likely that French fleets will soon be free to sail into
> the Mediterranean.
>
Not too sure about this. I heard from England, prior to the results
arriving, that FG had pre-arranged a bounce in Burgundy. The bounce doesn't
necessarily signify an adversarial relationship.
> Since you've already done Germany the favor of not moving into
> Tyrolia, perhaps you could encourage him to bounce Russia from
> Sweden. I'd prefer Russia as weak as possible, both because he's
> Turkey's most natural ally and because that's where I'm headed once
> Turkey begins to fall.
>
I've opened up conversations with Germany. Have not heard back.
> I urge the convoy to Tunis, now more than ever; the free tempo that
> Turkey's bounce has granted us should not be wasted by diverting
> the Ion fleet.
>
The convoy seems like the most logical choice at this juncture.
On to new business. What are your plans for Vienna this year? If you're
headed to Galicia with the intent of army builds in Vie and Bud in the
winter, I could move Trieste to Tyrolia and begin my army push north that we
previously discussed. I would also be content with moving Trieste to
Tuscany to demilitarize our border and to provide some security against
France. Any advice?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Turkey
Was just warming my pen up when I received your message. It was I who
requested the deadline extension as I have very little time to spend with my
family (and thus the weekend is not usually the best time for me to be
sending Diplomacy related emails) and I had an all-day presentation on
Monday. Those Monday deadlines are going to be rough for me but I'll figure
out a way to manage.
>
> Still hoping from a reply from you. I was greatly encouraged
> by our early
> dialogues, and am sorry to see you going silent. I hope that
> it does not
> indicate Italian ill-will for Turkey.
>
Absolutely not. Rest assured, Italy holds no ill-will to Turkey. We see
you as an excellent developing ally. We believe the Russian has the
potential of being weakened both in the north and in the south and, given
the fact that I will most likely have a strong French neighbor to the west,
I would much prefer a strong land-based Turkey than a strong land-based
Austria to my east.
> Austria is encouraging me to attack Russia. I am prepared to
> do so,
Austria has mentioned to me that he has offered you support from Bul-Rum in
order to prevent a Russian build. In combination with a move into the Black
Sea, this would put you in an excellent position against Russia.
> and my plan is to build an army subsequently, though I'll
> have to sell it to Austria.
I would tell him that it's going to move to Armenia with support from your
fleet. Depending on what France builds, you could add that you're not too
worried about Italy since he can't wander too far east with all those French
fleets to worry about. Of course, if France builds armies as well, that
argument would need to be deleted or at least modified somewhat.
>
> I was surprised to see your attack on Trieste, after my
> warning of Austria's plans for A Vie. Can you tell me,
> was the bounce pre-arranged? Austria is
> claiming that it was not, but rather that it was a genuine
> attack.
>
It was a pre-arranged bounce at his request. If he tells you differently,
he is lying.
Now, on to some new business.
Austria is suggesting that I convoy Apu-Tun and carry thru with a Lepanto
attack. I'm actually looking for your blessing for this move. What!??
Allow me. Austria's argument goes that, by convoying, the Ionean fleet is a
tempo closer to the Turkish waters and there is no sense in losing the tempo
we gained with the Black Sea bounce. It makes perfect sense. Of course,
the Ionean fleet also borders the Austrian held territory of Greece and the
Austrian waters of the Adriatic. It just might be possible to set Austria
up for a fall in both Trieste and Greece next year. It would be a gamble on
your part but, like you, I've gotten a lot of press detailing some "behind
the back" talk regarding Austria. I don't much trust him long-term.
Regarding your response to Austria and Rumania, you would seem to have
several options 1) accept his offer and make the move hoping he follows thru
and Russia indeed doesn't gain the build, 2) say thanks but no thanks in
which case he supports himself to Greece but Russia gains Rumania, or 3)
accept his offer but then move to Greece in hopes he follows thru and wastes
a Serbian order. A lot depends on how genuine you think his offer is. From
talking with him, I think he is genuinely interested in limiting Russian
growth for what that's worth.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
>
> We each must hope that the other
> propsers. Yes there will be worries if the other
> prospers too much.
Well, I'm glad you brought this subject up. My only worry at least point is
your potential for 3 centers this fall. With the Russian move to STP,
England is forced to used both fleets to guarantee acquisition of Norway
leaving you with an unobstructed move to Belgium. Now, I'm not going to say
that you should not take advantage of the opportunity handed to you, but I
will warn you of the "stop-the-leader" talk that happens so often in
Diplomacy. Being one of your borders, I'm am reminded by others of your
potential power and they wonder what I will be doing to stop such blatant
growth. Moving to Piedmont is always their answer. Of course, my response
is, "What are you going to do to stop such blatant growth". They never have
an adequate answer for that. They just expect poor little ol' Italy to take
on Goliath by myself. Never the less, it is difficult to ignore the rants
and raves of Europe.
How do you propose that we even out our growth potential so that I am better
able to defend your eastern border?
>
> You must also be pleased that Turkish fleets will not be
> in the Mediterranean in the fall. He will likely have
> one eyeing the waters, but none will be on the waters.
>
Yes, this does help my situation.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
ps: I will leave you with a reminder that a French '01 fleet in Marseilles
reaches the Channel just as fast as a waived build that is built in Brest in
'02. Call it an Italian reward for not moving to Piedmont. :)
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Ivy seems to feel that he has to support himself
> into Nwy, even though I have no desire to have an Army
> stuck in St. Petersburg when winter comes.
>
I can't really blame England. He can ill afford not to gain a center this
winter with France building at least two.
> I haven't heard from Turkey or
> Germany since moves came through,
I've heard from Turkey but not Germany. Turkey is definitely concerned with
the intentions of the Austrian.
> but since everyone but me seems to view
> Mos-StP as anti-English, perhaps I don't have to worry
> about Germany quite so much.
>
First off, I would view the move as anti-English simply because it forces
him to use all his units to guarantee a build and thus he has little if any
influence on what happens in the Lowlands. Secondly, because of the German
move to Denmark and the potential for that unit to break support for a NWG
fleet move (I know, remote but possible), typically England will convoy an
army to Norway which is probably not in your best interest.
So, if the move is not anti-English, how would you categorize it? Neutral?
Anti-German? Pro-Austrian? If it's anti-German then what happens if the
German takes this move the wrong way? Doesn't that increase the likelihood
of a Swedish bounce this fall? I guess I'm failing to see what you're
gaining by this move, especially since England was willing to take Norway
with a fleet and Germany had indicated he would be moving to Denmark.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to England
> In the end, I will have to guess between
> entering Norway with force or splitting my units toward
> Norway and Belgium.
>
For what it's worth, Russia has indicated to me an unwillingness to have an
army stationed in STP come the winter. I believe him and do not think he
would bounce an unsupported move to Norway.
> Austria has written a couple of times to warn me of Russian
> action. He seems to be afraid of Russia.
I think he sees some easy Russian centers if you distract him in the north.
I doubt 'afraid' is the correct term. More likely, he has his greedy eye on
Moscow and Warsaw.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
Good to hear from you! Thanks for your quick reply.
> Was just warming my pen up when I received your message. It was I who
> requested the deadline extension as I have very little time to spend with
my
> family (and thus the weekend is not usually the best time for me to be
> sending Diplomacy related emails) and I had an all-day presentation on
> Monday. Those Monday deadlines are going to be rough for me but I'll
figure
> out a way to manage.
I'm in the same boat; weekends are tough for me to diplome. So, we'll have
to both be cognizant of this going forward, and get as much done as we can
on weekdays.
> Absolutely not. Rest assured, Italy holds no ill-will to Turkey. We see
> you as an excellent developing ally. We believe the Russian has the
> potential of being weakened both in the north and in the south and, given
> the fact that I will most likely have a strong French neighbor to the
west,
> I would much prefer a strong land-based Turkey than a strong land-based
> Austria to my east.
Thank you. I am much encouraged. Indeed, I am prepared to convince you of
my trustworthiness as an ally, and it is my sincere hope that I will have
much opportunity to do so.
> Austria has mentioned to me that he has offered you support from Bul-Rum
in
> order to prevent a Russian build. In combination with a move into the
Black
> Sea, this would put you in an excellent position against Russia.
That is what I am thinking. The crucial bit is whether or not Austria
carries through. If he's mentioned it to you, then perhaps he'll really
order the move. Any diplomatic efforts on your part to convince him to do
so (or to warn me if he chooses not to) would be much appreciated. The best
scenario would be if he really gives me the support, in which case he may be
compelled to carry through against Russia.
> I would tell him that it's going to move to Armenia with support from your
> fleet. Depending on what France builds, you could add that you're not too
> worried about Italy since he can't wander too far east with all those
French
> fleets to worry about. Of course, if France builds armies as well, that
> argument would need to be deleted or at least modified somewhat.
Indeed, again this matches my thinking. Once I've genuinely attacked
Russia, Austria will likely believe he's got me well in hand... especially
if he continues to believe he's successfully playing you and me off against
each other. By the way, rumor has it that it was France who was really
urging the Russian northern opening. It gives France a better shot at
Belgium in the short term, and a better position overall in the long term.
I think you'd be wise to keep a sharp eye on France.
> It was a pre-arranged bounce at his request. If he tells you differently,
> he is lying.
Hm, I re-read my mail from him, and he doesn't actually say it wasn't
prearranged. But the implication is clear. In any event, it's obvious he's
trying to mislead me; which I guess is ok as long as it stays so
transparent. Thank you for your honesty; I will not be letting on to
Austria that I'm wise to it.
> Austria is suggesting that I convoy Apu-Tun and carry thru with a Lepanto
> attack. I'm actually looking for your blessing for this move. What!??
> Allow me. Austria's argument goes that, by convoying, the Ionean fleet is
a
> tempo closer to the Turkish waters and there is no sense in losing the
tempo
> we gained with the Black Sea bounce. It makes perfect sense. Of course,
> the Ionean fleet also borders the Austrian held territory of Greece and
the
> Austrian waters of the Adriatic. It just might be possible to set Austria
> up for a fall in both Trieste and Greece next year. It would be a gamble
on
> your part but, like you, I've gotten a lot of press detailing some "behind
> the back" talk regarding Austria. I don't much trust him long-term.
I had pretty well expected the convoy this turn, it's really the only
sensible thing for you to do. Following that with a fleet build in Naples,
though, would make me very nervous I must admit. Now, if you were to order
Ion-Adr, Nap-Ion next spring then it would all be worth it. But such a
thing would certainly require some nerves from my perspective. Was this
what you were planning for the build?
> Regarding your response to Austria and Rumania, you would seem to have
> several options 1) accept his offer and make the move hoping he follows
thru
> and Russia indeed doesn't gain the build, 2) say thanks but no thanks in
> which case he supports himself to Greece but Russia gains Rumania, or 3)
> accept his offer but then move to Greece in hopes he follows thru and
wastes
> a Serbian order. A lot depends on how genuine you think his offer is.
From
> talking with him, I think he is genuinely interested in limiting Russian
> growth for what that's worth.
Yes, I feel confident he's genuinely interested in hurting Russia. However,
it also seems clear that he feels that way about all his neighbors, not just
Russia. In any case, I'm inclined to go along with his proposal, if the
offer is real. I don't really favor attacking Greece, since beyond limiting
Austria's builds it doesn't really accomplish anything. I'd rather fan the
flames of A/R hostility if at all possible.
One other possibility that at least bears mentioning, which is a
double-cross of Austria. If Austria orders Ser S Bul-Rum, then I could
easily support your army convoy to Greece this turn. This would likely spur
A/R conflict, since Austria's betrayal of Russia will have been revealed.
And, it will net you Greece. It will allow Russia the build for Rum, but
that would probably only serve to increase his confidence that matters in
the south are in hand. This would alleviate my need to worry about Leponto,
and you can easily pick up Tunis in '02. Of course, it depends wholly on
our ability to determine whether or not Austria has actually ordered support
for Bul-Rum.
Otherwise, I'd be looking to Italy to launch a real assault on Austria,
probably starting next spring. If you prefer this option, then I hope
you'll write with your thoughts on what you'll build this year.
What do you think? I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I assure you that I have no plans to build in Marseilles.
As long as you do not move forces my way, I plan to
leave it open. Our relationship is too important to me
for me to risk in that way.
The only circumstances that might change this is a strong
attack from Germany. But in that case, I would be
building an army instead.
I hope that this message puts your nervousness to rest.
-- Prince Boar
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 10 Results:
In what was sure to be a legendary performance, two-time
defending Tour champion Lance Armstrong launched a
brilliant attack on the final ascent of the day--the
legendary Alpe d'Huez--and stomped to a stage win over
German Jan Ullrich by nearly 2-minutes. He earlier
bluffed his competitors into thinking that he was
struggling. He would make a good Diplomacy player, N'est
pas?
This win for US Postal Service gives Ivy his first
points. It seems that the wealthy is being spread
around. Next we need someone from Domo-Farm Frites to
take a stage. (Not to mention ONCE, they are typically
close.)
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 10 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1 François Simon (BJR)45 hours, 34 minutes, 9 seconds
4 Lance Armstrong (USP) @20.07
5 Joseba Beloki (ONC) @21.42
6 Christophe Moreau (FES) @22.21
7 Jan Ullrich (TEL) @22.41
14 Laurent Jalabert (CSC) @28.06
29 Bobby Julich (C.A.) @42.07
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Freied,
> I can't really blame England. He can ill afford not to gain a center this
> winter with France building at least two.
Yes,but even if I wanted to attack England, StP-Fin, B F StP/NC
makes more sense than bouncing A StP off what may be a supported
attack on Nwy. Bouncing England out of Nwy helps France more
than it helps me.
> So, if the move is not anti-English, how would you categorize it?
Neutral?
> Anti-German? Pro-Austrian? If it's anti-German then what happens if the
> German takes this move the wrong way? Doesn't that increase the
likelihood
> of a Swedish bounce this fall? I guess I'm failing to see what you're
> gaining by this move, especially since England was willing to take Norway
> with a fleet and Germany had indicated he would be moving to Denmark.
I see it as pro-Russian, and pro-Italian. Russia is a strong Power, and
the
IR Alliance works well in the endgame only if Russia has options in the
north.
My hope is that Germany will see that bouncing me out of Swe this Fall is
pointless since I'll move to Fin this Fall and support myself in next
Spring,
even if he does. Two Units in Scandinavia encourage England and
Germany to listen to me, and give me a greater voice with France as well,
and given the dynamic in the west, I thought I could avoid a coordinated
EG response. I'm actually pretty sure that Ivy will publicly maintain that
he
has to support himself into Nwy, but actually try for Bel.
In Alliance,
Nicky.
Message from Italy to Russia
> Yes,but even if I wanted to attack England, StP-Fin, B F StP/NC
> makes more sense than bouncing A StP off what may be a supported
> attack on Nwy. Bouncing England out of Nwy helps France more
> than it helps me.
I see your point. Of course, England probably doesn't like that scenario
much either.
> I see it as pro-Russian, and pro-Italian. Russia is a strong Power,
> and the IR Alliance works well in the endgame only if Russia has options >
in the north.
I can tell I'm going to learn a great deal from this game. I hadn't even
considered that this move could be thought of as pro-Italian. I wonder if
anybody else has thought of that? I think I can see your point but you have
to look well down the road in order to see the advantages for Italy.
> My hope is that Germany will see that bouncing me out of Swe this Fall
> is pointless since I'll move to Fin this Fall and support myself in next
> Spring, even if he does.
Do you want me to say anything to Germany on your behalf?
> Two Units in Scandinavia encourage England and
> Germany to listen to me, and give me a greater voice with France as well,
And your southern flank is protected vis-a-vis the IR alliance since I will
join either A or T against the other and then you will come along to help
mop up the pieces. I'm beginning to see the logic.
> and given the dynamic in the west, I thought I could avoid a coordinated
> EG response.
Well, if he does bounce you in Sweden, you can be fairly sure he's
coordinated the move with England. Your position can get really dicey if
England convoys; Germany bounces in Sweden, moves to Silesia, and then
builds army Berlin and fleet Kiel.
> I'm actually pretty sure that Ivy will publicly maintain that he
> has to support himself into Nwy, but actually try for Bel.
I think you're probably right. Ivy seems like he's been around the block a
few times and will understand your point.
In my talks with Austria and Turkey, it would appear that I have the option
of attacking either one. Both are courting me against the other. Do you
have a preference for AI or IT?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Any diplomatic efforts on your part to convince him to do so (or to
> warn me if he chooses not to) would be much appreciated.
I'll do my part. He has yet to answer my press I sent him earlier today.
This will have a bearing on a later part of this letter as well.
> The best scenario would be if he really gives me the support, in which
> case he may be compelled to carry through against Russia.
I'm not sure he'd have any other choice. What's he going to tell Russia?
That Ali Baba is a scoundrel and moved to prevent you from a build? Doesn't
make a whole lot of sense.
> By the way, rumor has it that it was France who was really
> urging the Russian northern opening. It gives France a better shot at
> Belgium in the short term, and a better position overall in the long >
term.
And you heard this rumor where? I haven't told anybody, but England made a
small Freudian slip. He sent a message shortly after the moves arrived. It
was just a friendly everybody made conservative moves type message. Just
keeping in touch. Oh, and if you can help me figure out why Russia moved to
*FIN* I'd appreciate it. [emphasis mine] Well, Russia hadn't quite gotten
to Finland yet. This tells me that Ivy knew what Russia was going to do.
He might not have approved of it, but he knew about it.
> I think you'd be wise to keep a sharp eye on France.
Believe me, I have radar and sonar in place specifically to spot French
units. Alarms will go off if something funny were to happen.
> I had pretty well expected the convoy this turn, it's really the only
> sensible thing for you to do. Following that with a fleet build in
> Naples, though, would make me very nervous I must admit. Was this
> what you were planning for the build?
Just like the convoy is really the only sensible move to make, I think a
fleet in Naples is really the only sensible build. Building a fleet is
obvious. That matches any agreements I have with other powers. I am to
become a sea power. Fleet in Rome doesn't help the front line all that much
and fleet in Venice doesn't hide the fact that I'd be moving to the
Adriatic. Unless there is something I'm missing, then yes I would be
planning on building a fleet in Naples. I'm sure that wouldn't surprise
anybody.
> Yes, I feel confident he's genuinely interested in hurting Russia.
> However, it also seems clear that he feels that way about all his > >
neighbors, not just Russia.
lol! Now that I think about it, he really hasn't offered me anything
concrete. He's expecting me to position myself to convoy to Syria which of
course takes up 3/4 of my arsenal. Leaves him free to do pretty much
whatever he wants.
> I don't really favor attacking Greece, since beyond limiting
> Austria's builds it doesn't really accomplish anything. I'd rather fan
> the flames of A/R hostility if at all possible.
Agreed.
> One other possibility that at least bears mentioning, which is a
> double-cross of Austria. If Austria orders Ser S Bul-Rum, then I could
> easily support your army convoy to Greece this turn.
Let me think about this. A lot depends on what Austria replies. I asked
him if we were still going to bounce in Trieste. If I'm fairly confident
that I can take Trieste as well and that Austria will order the support, I'd
seriously consider your offer.
My idea of a stab, and this would obviously be a stab, is not to take a
single center. The victim needs to be damaged to the point that retaliation
is minimized.
I'll let you know prior to the deadline.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
> I assure you that I have no plans to build in Marseilles.
> As long as you do not move forces my way, I plan to
> leave it open. Our relationship is too important to me
> for me to risk in that way.
Thank you. I appreciate this. You don't mind if I save this message and
bring it up should, say, a Festiva rider take a wrong turn in the mountains.
:)
Hmmmm, this means one of two things. Either you'd waive a build or you're
not going to be in Belgium this winter. Doesn't England need to secure
Norway with the use of both fleets allowing you access to Belgium unopposed?
> I hope that this message puts your nervousness to rest.
It's not that I was nervous, rather, I find it best to say what is on my
mind and to be open about my diplomatic relationships. If you become too
powerful too soon relative to my position, then my hands would be tied and I
would have to at least attempt to knock you down, if for not other reason
that to be able to leave the game with my head held high and my integrity
intact.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
> I see your point. Of course, England probably doesn't like that
> scenario much either.
No, but I have pointed out to him that the move doesn't become
anti-English until and unless I build F StP/NC, and given France's
strength, I have no reason to do that.
> > I see it as pro-Russian, and pro-Italian.
> I can tell I'm going to learn a great deal from this game. I hadn't even
> considered that this move could be thought of as pro-Italian. I wonder if
> anybody else has thought of that? I think I can see your point but you
have
> to look well down the road in order to see the advantages for Italy.
Well, I was schmoozing you just a bit... 8-) It is true, but it would
occur to someone only if they thought we were allied, and that I don't
plan to stab you. Though actually, it may draw France north against
England which will allow you to focus in the East more comfortably.
Mostly though, it just gives me options and influence in the west.
> Do you want me to say anything to Germany on your behalf?
Ummmm, hmmm, given that you haven't heard from him since the
Spring results came through, he might wonder why you were lobbying
on my behalf. I suppose you could write him, and ask the usual
questions, including whether he's planning to bounce me or not.
> And your southern flank is protected vis-a-vis the IR alliance since I
will
> join either A or T against the other and then you will come along to help
> mop up the pieces. I'm beginning to see the logic.
Yes, given that I thought I had a solid AIR vs. T, I thought I could
afford to send A Mos north.
> Well, if he does bounce you in Sweden, you can be fairly sure he's
> coordinated the move with England. Your position can get really
> dicey if England convoys; Germany bounces in Sweden, moves to
> Silesia, and then builds army Berlin and fleet Kiel.
Oh, sure, combine that with Ser S Bul-Rum, (which Ali claims
Austria has offered), and I'm in a world of hurt, but Germany has
been the quietest of all of us, so far, and what he has said has been
a bit odd, so I hope that the nightmare doesn't happen.
> Ivy seems like he will understand your point.
I hope so. I think I've made it clear to him that hurting him
doesn't benefit me, and that he should consider the most likely
case, rather than the worst-case scenario at this point.
> In my talks with Austria and Turkey, it would appear that I
> have the option of attacking either one. Both are courting me
> against the other. Do you have a preference for AI or IT?
Turkey becomes much more difficult to pry from his shell
if he reaches six Centres, so on principle, I lean toward AIR.
Also, if we eliminate Austria first, we'll have to fight our way
into the corner, and the turn around and head the other way
to find new targets, while if we eliminate Turkey first, we can
then turn west and take out Austria on our way to France and
Germany. All that having been said, I actually think I trust
Turkey more than I do Austria, though I'm not sure why. 8-)
In Alliance,
Nicky.
Message from Italy to Russia
> Though actually, it may draw France north against
> England which will allow you to focus in the East more comfortably.
That would be a nice effect from my point of view. Let's hope it
materializes. Here's my take on the French strategy for this game. He sees
a clear and easy stalemate line in Iberia from any Eastern Med power. If he
can somehow eliminate England and Germany, then he's free to setup the
stalemate line and then use his remaining forces to take Scandanavia.
MAR-STP for 17 centers and most probable victory. For that reason, I can
see him leaving me alone and concentrating north.
> Ummmm, hmmm, given that you haven't heard from him since the
> Spring results came through, he might wonder why you were lobbying
> on my behalf. I suppose you could write him, and ask the usual
> questions, including whether he's planning to bounce me or not.
Oh, I've already written that message. I just asked him in general terms
what he thought of the opening moves and specifically about your move to STP
and France's potential for +3. I won't lobby on your behalf unless he asks
me directly my opinion on whether he should move den-swe.
> combine that with Ser S Bul-Rum, (which Ali claims
> Austria has offered), and I'm in a world of hurt,
I've heard this as well but Ali didn't sound like he was ready to take up
the offer.
> but Germany has been the quietest of all of us, so far, and what
> he has said has been a bit odd, so I hope that the nightmare > doesn't
happen.
Here's my take. EF write a lot. Most Dip players that send a lot of press
like to ally with other players that send a lot of press, even if that just
means talking about a silly bicycle race. Thus, I suspect that Germany is a
last resort option for both of them.
> Turkey becomes much more difficult to pry from his shell
> if he reaches six Centres, so on principle, I lean toward AIR.
> Also, if we eliminate Austria first, we'll have to fight our way
> into the corner, and the turn around and head the other way
> to find new targets, while if we eliminate Turkey first, we can
> then turn west and take out Austria on our way to France and
> Germany.
My thinking precisely although it takes me longer to realize the gain
(unless I can talk Austria into letting me 'borrow' Greece) which leaves me
exposed to France for quite some time. France has promised not to build in
Marseilles regardless of the fall outcome so that would go a long way in
relieving my nervousness.
> All that having been said, I actually think I trust
> Turkey more than I do Austria, though I'm not sure why. 8-)
It's simple. Turkey is the better player and more trustworthy individual.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend
> Here's my take on the French strategy for this game. He sees a
> clear and easy stalemate line in Iberia from any Eastern Med power.
> he can [..] setup the MAR-STP stalemate line and then [try for the]
> most probable victory.
Yes, that's one option, but watch for the other. (Grab Tunis early,
and THEN go for the 17 from Mar-StP.)
> > Ummmm, hmmm, given that you haven't heard from him since the
> > Spring results came through, he might wonder why you were lobbying
> > on my behalf. I suppose you could write him, and ask the usual
> > questions, including whether he's planning to bounce me or not.
> Ali didn't sound like he was ready to take up the offer.
The only thing worse for Austria than RA Rum, TA Bul, is TA Rum,
TA Bul, so I doubt that Ali believes the offer.
> I suspect that Germany is a last resort option for both of them.
Agreed, although I'm offering both help taking out Germany in
the mid-game, if they ally with him first to take out the other. ;-)
> > Turkey becomes much more difficult to pry from his shell
> > if he reaches six Centres, so on principle, I lean toward AIR.
>
> My thinking precisely although it takes me longer to realize the gain
Turkey's move of Smy-Con will come back to haunt him, if
Austria does the intelligent thing (Ser S F Alb-Gre). There's no way
he can end up with F Con, F Smy after Builds, so you'll be able to
move Fleets to Aeg and EMed in '02.
In Alliance,
Nicky.
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
If I do get Belgium, I will waive that build. I would do
so for the reason that I stated, keeping our relationship
strong. However, my taking Belgium is certainly not
guaranteed. England and Russia may work things out so
that England bounces me in Belgium. Or I may choose to
simply hold and not even go for it.
You mentioned ways for us to keep our alliance balanced.
I am not sure how we can accomplish that right now, other
than agreeing not to grow too fast. I doubt that either
one of us wants to borrow the other Iberia or Tunis. I
suppose our only option to interact in the near term
would be in Germany. Some things to ponder on dark
nights while you enjoy a nice red wine.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Austria to Italy
> Not too sure about this. I heard from England, prior to the results
> arriving, that FG had pre-arranged a bounce in Burgundy. The bounce
> doesn't necessarily signify an adversarial relationship.
I heard that too, after the moves. Still, a Germany who eagerly adopts an
FG at this point is begging to get sandwiched between the resulting huge
France and the northern-oriented Russia, after England is gone. I'm
hoping for EG.
> On to new business. What are your plans for Vienna this year? If
> you're headed to Galicia with the intent of army builds in Vie and Bud
> in the winter, I could move Trieste to Tyrolia and begin my army push
> north that we previously discussed. I would also be content with moving
> Trieste to Tuscany to demilitarize our border and to provide some
> security against France. Any advice?
I just heard from Turkey agreeing to Ser s Bul-Rum. He may just be
setting me up for bouncing me out of Gre, but I'm inclined to take the
risk. Given that, I'd lean toward also moving Vie-Gal and getting a head
start there. Russia, split between north and south, should have no good
tactical response, and strategically, Turkey won't be quick to come to his
aid if he is looking at gaining Rum and/or Sev. That should leave Turkey
isolated once the Lepanto reaches his shores.
Accordingly, I would appreciate Ven moving (other than to Tri :-).
Ven-Tyr would be my first choice, but depends on your relationship with
Germany. If Germany is unhappy with France, he might prefer Ven-Pie,
which puts pressure on France without directly threatening him (it can't
make progress without a lot of support.)
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
>For what it's worth, Russia has indicated to me an unwillingness to have an
>army stationed in STP come the winter. I believe him and do not think he
>would bounce an unsupported move to Norway.
I tend to believe him also. The point is that it probably doesn't matter
whether I believe him or not. I can take Norwegian matters into my own
hands this fall and then sit back and see whether or not he builds in StP.
The downside is Belgium. I am trying to use diplomatic means to keep
France out of Belgium.
Good luck,
Ivy Wingo
Message from Italy to France
>
> You mentioned ways for us to keep our alliance balanced.
> I am not sure how we can accomplish that right now, other
> than agreeing not to grow too fast.
>
This would be fine with me. I understand that you are a larger country and
need more units. I'm not asking for equality in our units. It's a foregone
conclusion that you'll be at six before I even have a chance at a fifth.
All I'm asking is that you try not to reach 7,8, and beyond while I'm still
stuck at 4.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to England
> I can take Norwegian matters into my own
> hands this fall and then sit back and see whether or not he
> builds in StP.
There is a nasty rumor floating around that AT may team up to prevent a
Russian build in STP. Should Germany bounce Russia in Sweden, Russia may
not even have a chance to build in STP.
> The downside is Belgium. I am trying to use diplomatic means to keep
> France out of Belgium.
>
Last I heard from France, if he tries for Belgium, he'd waive the subsequent
build (ie: he wouldn't build in MAR). However, he sounded like he wasn't
even sure if he'd even try for it so maybe your voice is being heard.
Regardless, I wish you the best of luck this coming fall.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Yes, that's one option, but watch for the other. (Grab
> Tunis early, and THEN go for the 17 from Mar-StP.)
>
Only problem would be, France would be required to devote several units to
the defense of Tunis and it would be much more difficult then to eliminate
Germany and England and get to Scandanavia in time.
I had some time last night to think long-term about this game (I volunteered
to clean the kitchen so I could have some time alone to think). Let me know
if this matches with your thoughts.
Early game: AIR vs T and EFR vs G; Turkey and Germany eliminated
Mid game: IR vs A and FR vs E; England and Austria eliminated
End game: free for all, no holds barred race between FIR; no viable
stalemate lines; should produce a clear winner
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Germany
Hope that you find time to write. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the
Spring moves.
I'd also like to discuss the merits (pros/cons) of an Italian move to
Tyrolia.
I know you're busy and I don't want to pester you, but I think it's
important that we at least touch base with each other before the fall moves
are due tonight.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
> > (Grab Tunis, and THEN go for the 17 from Mar-StP.)
> France would require several units to defen[d]
> Tunis and it would be much more
> difficult then to eliminate Germany and England
> and get to Scandinavia in time.
True, but there's also the issue of my
northern opening. That makes it much more difficult
for France to reach StP, unless EG combine to force
me back, which is bad for France in its own right.
France is writing a lot, but not saying much, so it
is difficult for me to say what he has in mind, but
if I was you, I wouldn't depend too much on him
ignoring you. (If he builds in Mar, I'd order
Ven-Pie in a heartbeat.)
> AIR vs. T and EFR vs. G; Turkey and Germany eliminated
I agree in the East. In the West I may harass
the one of the alliance members, rather than piling on
to the victim, since the slower the West resolves, the
better for us. Harassment also will create a strength
disparity in the alliance, encourages alliance shifts,
and stabs once the victim is eliminated.
> IR vs. A and FR vs. E; England and Austria eliminated
Again, I agree in the East, and the West seems
the most likely result, but E(or F)R vs. G, is also
possible. (Of course the western allies could stick
together, and head East, but I hope that won't happen.)
> free for all, no holds barred race between FIR; no
> viable stalemate lines; should produce a clear winner
Well, actually:
http://devel.diplom.org/DipPouch/Online/StalematesAtoY/images/sp-6.gif
Centers:
Por, Spa, Mar, Tun, Nap, Rom, Ven, Tri, Vie, Bud, Ser, Rum,
Gre, Bul, Con, Ank, Smy. (17)
Units:
F NAf, F Wes, A Por, A Spa, F Lyo, A Mar, A Pie, A Tyl,
A Vie, A Bud, A Rum, A Bul, F Bla, A Arm. (14)
Orders:
A Por S Spa; F Lyo S Mar; A Pie S Tyl; A Bud S Vie;
A Bul & F Bla S Rum
would split the board quite evenly between us.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
> > By the way, rumor has it that it was France who was really
> > urging the Russian northern opening. It gives France a better shot at
> > Belgium in the short term, and a better position overall in the long >
> term.
>
> And you heard this rumor where?
Austria, naturally. But it seems to fit. France seems to be dying for word
of which way I'm going to jump; but he's not yet actually come out and
suggested a course of action.
> I haven't told anybody, but England made a
> small Freudian slip. He sent a message shortly after the moves arrived.
It
> was just a friendly everybody made conservative moves type message. Just
> keeping in touch. Oh, and if you can help me figure out why Russia moved
to
> *FIN* I'd appreciate it. [emphasis mine] Well, Russia hadn't quite
gotten
> to Finland yet. This tells me that Ivy knew what Russia was going to do.
> He might not have approved of it, but he knew about it.
Very interesting. Russia strikes me as one who plays his cards close to the
vest, so I find it surprising that England would have had foreknowledge
unless he heard it from the source. I can't for the life of me imagine how
such a thing could be in England's advantage, however, so I believe
England's sentiment is genuinely anti-Russian.
> Just like the convoy is really the only sensible move to make, I think a
> fleet in Naples is really the only sensible build. Building a fleet is
> obvious. That matches any agreements I have with other powers. I am to
> become a sea power. Fleet in Rome doesn't help the front line all that
much
> and fleet in Venice doesn't hide the fact that I'd be moving to the
> Adriatic. Unless there is something I'm missing, then yes I would be
> planning on building a fleet in Naples. I'm sure that wouldn't surprise
> anybody.
Well I wouldn't say it's necessarily the only sensible thing, but I do see
your point. Of course it depends on your final decision on the fall moves
(more on that below).
> > One other possibility that at least bears mentioning, which is a
> > double-cross of Austria. If Austria orders Ser S Bul-Rum, then I could
> > easily support your army convoy to Greece this turn.
>
> Let me think about this. A lot depends on what Austria replies. I asked
> him if we were still going to bounce in Trieste. If I'm fairly confident
> that I can take Trieste as well and that Austria will order the support,
I'd
> seriously consider your offer.
Have you had any replies? Austria has confirmed to me that he's ordering
the support, and I will reply that I'm taking him up on it. Indeed, those
are my orders at present. But if we believe he'll order the support, then I
favor the Greece maneuver. Others are aware of Austria's anti-Russian
proposals, so he surely knows he'll lose a lot of credibility if he doesn't
follow through. And I could easily sell my support of your attack to
Russia. If Austria can be persuaded to move to Gal at the same time, you
and I would be in the catbird seat.
> My idea of a stab, and this would obviously be a stab, is not to take a
> single center. The victim needs to be damaged to the point that
retaliation
> is minimized.
Agreed. I think there's a good chance the Greece ploy would work well. I
would build an army, and would almost certainly attack Russia in '02. Once
you're committed against Austria, I'll definitely feel a lot better about F
Nap and the Leponto situation. I will query Austria about his thoughts on
Gal.
Anyway, I please write as soon as you can. I look forward to your reply!
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> Accordingly, I would appreciate Ven moving (other than to Tri :-).
>
Dang! Now I have to change my orders. :)
> Ven-Tyr would be my first choice, but depends on your
> relationship with Germany.
Ven-Tyr it is then. I haven't heard from Germany for almost a week now.
I'd prefer to have his approval before moving to Tyrolia. Perhaps my troop
move north will wake him up and get him talking.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> > free for all, no holds barred race between FIR; no
> > viable stalemate lines; should produce a clear winner
>
> Well, actually:
>
Not exactly what I meant. I know there are stalemate lines that could be
reached. Even in the event of a 2-way draw, Doug is going to want to
declare a winner of the tournament. The tie-breaker I believe is whomever
got to 17 first. If at the same time, who got to 16 and 15 and 14, etc. At
some point, one of the players will win the tie-breaker so the other player
has no real incentive to agree to the two-way. I think it's also common
practice for the power being squeezed out of the draw to somehow 'throw' the
game allowing somebody beyond the stalemate line or flat out forfeiting the
18th center. I just think the dynamics of this game and the tournament
scoring system will make it extremely difficult for any kind of a draw to
take place.
So, when and if the game eventually settles down to 3 powers, I can imagine
a lot of back and forth jockeying for position, looking for that one opening
that will put you in control. 18 centers are not necessary to win the
tournament. Be the first one to 17 with a stalemate line and that's all
that is necessary.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> Have you had any replies? Austria has confirmed to me that
> he's ordering the support, and I will reply that I'm taking
> him up on it.
Yes, I heard from Austria this afternoon. I'm not 100% sure. He used
phrases like "I'm inclined to take the risk" and "I'd lean toward". Very
vague. Nothing definite. My two cents, he'll order the support. But I
wouldn't be surprised to see him take the safe route and support himself
into Greece hoping that you'll order the move to Rum and create a RT
conflict.
> But if we believe he'll order the support, then I
> favor the Greece maneuver.
If you don't mind, I'd prefer to wait until next year before attacking
Austria. I'm very interested in how many units France will end up with and
what he builds. I'd hate to lose Austria's friendship and have France pile
on the fleets at the same time. If France builds what he says he's going to
build (ie: not in MAR) then I'll feel much more comfortable with an Austrian
attack.
I completely understand if you do not go thru with Bul-Rum and risk Russian
ire.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Germany to Italy
R.
So sorry, I thought that I had sent you a couple of replies. Looking
at my mailbox that's not the case.
I'm glad that you and Austria bounced in Tyrolia. I can live with
either of you there, as long as you tell me ahead of time. I know, a
tough condition.
I'm not happy with an army in STP so soon. Certainly it's anti
English, but ultimately it's anti German. On the other hand Russia is
promising builds in the south. But I don't know if I believe him.
France is more of a concern. He could easily get three builds this
turn. That's not good. I suspect that he'll follow a normal approach
and either attack me or England. In other words I think that you're
safe. I would do most anything to get an Italian army in Piedmont. Do
you have a wish list?
Freddy
Message from Germany to Italy
R.
I'm ordering Munich to Burgundy. I've also told France that I'm doing
this. Unfortunately, he probably won't see my note until after the
moves have processed. Which was not my intention.
Hopefully, he'll get it in time, and bounce me. Thus making sure that
he only builds three.
If you want to go to PIE, it might be a good time. But it's up to you.
Freddy
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
I understand your position. I am going through with it. I can only hope
that when the dust clears, you'll be my ally instead of launching Austria's
Leponto.
Best of luck in the result
Ali Baba
Austria: Fleet Albania → Greece
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Turkish Army Bulgaria → Rumania
Austria: Army Vienna → Galicia
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Yorkshire → Belgium
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → Norway
England: Army Yorkshire → North Sea → Belgium
France: Army Marseilles → Spain
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Portugal
France: Army Picardy → Burgundy (*bounce*)
Germany: Fleet Denmark → Sweden (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Kiel → Holland
Germany: Army Munich → Burgundy (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Apulia → Ionian Sea → Tunis
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea CONVOY Army Apulia → Tunis
Italy: Army Venice → Tyrolia
Russia: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → Sweden (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania (*bounce*)
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Finland
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Ankara → Black Sea
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Rumania (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria (*bounce*)
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