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Italy: Removes 1 unit
Russia: Builds 2 units
Message from Italy to England and France
You two need to cease hostilities right now...
He has 16 cold, and will be at 18 without Tunis,
Erik, you need to either support me or take my dots and hold them.
Ben, You need to back off and go north RIGHT NOW.
I have kept my mouth shut to the two of you for about 3 turns now, and all
its done is make the Russian stronger...
I have no idea what kind of deals you guys have with him but its not
working
If I need to write our orders I will, but I would like to hear from both
of you confirming you understand what I am saying.
Andy
Message from Italy to Italy
I havent written to myself in a while.....here goes...and its going to be
alittle viceral since I just got stabbed.
Questions for myself and the viewing audience....
1. Can I go a fucking turn without someone trying to crawl up my ass....
Between Erik and Eric one of them has been trying to do a body cavity
search on me since the beginning of the game....Ok...now that I have
that out I wont bitch anymore.
2. What the fuck is Jason thinking.
3. Can I get Ben and Erik to do the right thing....RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
4. Will Eric do the right thing so that assuming I get these two in line,
it wont matter what we do.
Sorry about all the F words...Im annoyed and I saw a great movie this
morning called Intermission....I recommend it highly.
Be well good souls, its time to dig in and make Eric squirm.
Andy
Message from England to France and Italy
Andy -
> You two need to cease hostilities right now...
Fine with me - I thought we'd been working on it. . .
> He has 16 cold, and will be at 18 without Tunis,
Yes, yes.
> Erik, you need to either support me or take my dots and hold them.
>
> Ben, You need to back off and go north RIGHT NOW.
I thought I *was* going north, but I can do more. I should have STP by the
end of the year following this coming one, as I count it.
> I have kept my mouth shut to the two of you for about 3 turns now, and all
> its done is make the Russian stronger...
:-) I've never asked you to keep your mouth shut.
> I have no idea what kind of deals you guys have with him but its not
> working
No deal, except for gentle pressure I'd put on him to leave you alone -
apparently it didn't work.
> If I need to write our orders I will, but I would like to hear from both
> of you confirming you understand what I am saying.
I surely understand. I envision convoying BRE - NWY. Surely we could put
it a French army *back* in BUR, Erik willing, with attacks against MUN -
from BUR, if Erik wants - soon to follow. Centers could be swapped around
as *needed* - not as a matter of pride, which must now give way - but as
*needed* for the greater good.
Just out of curiousity - why didn't ROM cover VEN?
I've told you many times - if you have suggestions for me, write them.
Ben
Message from Italy to England and France
Ben and Erik.
> > You two need to cease hostilities right now...
> Fine with me - I thought we'd been working on it. . .
>
> > He has 16 cold, and will be at 18 without Tunis,
> Yes, yes.
>
as long as we all know that.
> > Ben, You need to back off and go north RIGHT NOW.
> I thought I *was* going north, but I can do more. I should have STP by the
> end of the year following this coming one, as I count it.
no...if he bounces you in Finland, he holds onto STP this year.
Its not that simple.
> > I have kept my mouth shut to the two of you for about 3 turns now, and all
> > its done is make the Russian stronger...
> :-) I've never asked you to keep your mouth shut.
Good point.
> > I have no idea what kind of deals you guys have with him but its not
> > working
> No deal, except for gentle pressure I'd put on him to leave you alone -
> apparently it didn't work.
Well...he sees his solo and doesnt expect us to come together.
>
> > If I need to write our orders I will, but I would like to hear from both
> > of you confirming you understand what I am saying.
> I surely understand. I envision convoying BRE - NWY. Surely we could put
> it a French army *back* in BUR, Erik willing, with attacks against MUN -
> from BUR, if Erik wants - soon to follow. Centers could be swapped around
> as *needed* - not as a matter of pride, which must now give way - but as
> *needed* for the greater good.
We also need an army in Marsaille and it wont be mine, I am moving south.
> Just out of curiousity - why didn't ROM cover VEN?
Because if he wanted it he could force it anyway as long as I was moving
to Piedmont. If he held his end of the bargain, there is an Italian army
in Albania in this coming spring.
> I've told you many times - if you have suggestions for me, write them.
Let me look at the board.
I know what I think I should disband, but I would like both of your inputs
on this.
Erik .....now is not a time to keep quiet.
Andy
Message from England to France and Italy
Andy -
> > I thought I *was* going north, but I can do more. I should have STP by
the
> > end of the year following this coming one, as I count it.
>
> no...if he bounces you in Finland, he holds onto STP this year.
> Its not that simple.
Well, I don't want to quibble, but I did say the end of the year
/following/ this /coming/ one.
Just so you know I'm paying attention.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> Andy -
> > > I thought I *was* going north, but I can do more. I should have STP by
> the
> > > end of the year following this coming one, as I count it.
> >
> > no...if he bounces you in Finland, he holds onto STP this year.
> > Its not that simple.
> Well, I don't want to quibble, but I did say the end of the year
> /following/ this /coming/ one.
>
> Just so you know I'm paying attention.
Oh...noted....sorry
I will be in touch.
Andy
Message from France to England and Italy
Guys:
I ain't keepin' quiet, I'm just not a quick on the draw as you two.
So, yes, it's true. Eric is the giant pink elephant in the room right now,
Jason is his Jannisary and only by working together can we prevent a
Russian solo. Glad we're all on the same page with these drastically
apparent circumstances.
Andy, I appreciate your keeping your word to me and not attacking. Makes
this coordination much easier. Ben, the reason I'm not still in Burgundy
is that I foresaw the need for a build, and I wasn't sure how willing
you'd be to give me Brest voluntarily. Clearly, though, if I can make an
argument, you're open to that now. I will get back to that in a minute.
> > I surely understand. I envision convoying BRE - NWY. Surely we could
> put
> > it a French army *back* in BUR, Erik willing, with attacks against MUN
> -
> > from BUR, if Erik wants - soon to follow. Centers could be swapped
> around
> > as *needed* - not as a matter of pride, which must now give way - but
> as
> > *needed* for the greater good.
>
> We also need an army in Marsaille and it wont be mine, I am moving
> south.
Exactly. I can head to Marseilles, but to be honest, I need another army
long-term. Ben, your fleet in MAO isn't doing anything but making me
nervous -- why not pui A Bre out and allow me to move Pic - Bur, Par -
Bre? All solo threats aside, it's *still* hard for me to trust you while
you're holding my home center, so giving Bre back and disbanding Mao will
both increase my security level and give me an extra build to send down
south.
Pic will go to Bur regardless. I'd just really like another guaranteed
build next year, even if Munich is a possibility, as I'll need to be able
to send some force into the Italian peninsula to support Andy or push
Russia back if Andy falls.
Andy, what can I do with my fleets down south? Spa - Mar, Wes - Tys?
>
> Because if he wanted it he could force it anyway as long as I was moving
> to Piedmont. If he held his end of the bargain, there is an Italian army
> in Albania in this coming spring.
True enough, Andy warned me this might happen.
> I know what I think I should disband, but I would like both of your
> inputs
> on this.
F Bul is useless. Drop it.
As for Russia, we're guaranteed A War and a probable F Sev -- he needs sea
power in the Med.
Erik
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
> I ain't keepin' quiet, I'm just not a quick on the draw as you two.
I ain't too bright but I can lift heavy things.
> Andy, I appreciate your keeping your word to me and not attacking. Makes
> this coordination much easier. Ben, the reason I'm not still in Burgundy
> is that I foresaw the need for a build, and I wasn't sure how willing
> you'd be to give me Brest voluntarily. Clearly, though, if I can make an
> argument, you're open to that now. I will get back to that in a minute.
Well, yes, but you would not have been able to force BRE.
> Exactly. I can head to Marseilles, but to be honest, I need another army
> long-term. Ben, your fleet in MAO isn't doing anything but making me
> nervous -- why not pui A Bre out and allow me to move Pic - Bur, Par -
> Bre? All solo threats aside, it's *still* hard for me to trust you while
> you're holding my home center, so giving Bre back and disbanding Mao will
> both increase my security level and give me an extra build to send down
> south.
I'm looking at other things besides the convoy, too, don't get me wrong.
Yes, I can give back BRE and I will throw support for PIC - BUR, no extra
charge. *However* there is something to be said for PAR - GAS because I
would expect Eric to seize PIE this spring, which would put him next to a
vacant MAR, and Erik, your fleets may be otherwise occuppied.
> Pic will go to Bur regardless. I'd just really like another guaranteed
> build next year, even if Munich is a possibility, as I'll need to be able
> to send some force into the Italian peninsula to support Andy or push
> Russia back if Andy falls.
MUN will have to be catching Russia off guard. If you were still in BIR.
we cpi;d tale advamtage of the Italian A PIE, alas, . . . If my
grandmother were yellow & had wheels, she'd be a school bus.
> > I know what I think I should disband, but I would like both of your
> > inputs on this.
>
> F Bul is useless. Drop it.
Hm. I would say F ION. The French fleets can defend ION more than
adequately and the Italian F BUL forces them to hold back to dispose of the
rogue unit rather than charge the southern line. My 2c.
> As for Russia, we're guaranteed A War and a probable F Sev -- he needs sea
> power in the Med.
I agree.
Ben
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
On a completely unrelated subject - I hope you are occasionally writing
press to yourself. I'd like to read it afterward - you were woefully
inadequate, if you don't mind me saying so, in this regard in Comments.
It's probably alittle late to be bringing this up.
Ben
Message from England to France and Italy
Hm.
Perhaps I should have followed Erik's lead and recommended disbanding F
BUL. It would be quite difficult to bring additional fleets to bear
against ION against the RT southern fleets - I was forgetting to count
Jason's fleet as Russian.
Ben
Message from Italy to England and France
> > Exactly. I can head to Marseilles, but to be honest, I need another army
> > long-term. Ben, your fleet in MAO isn't doing anything but making me
> > nervous -- why not pui A Bre out and allow me to move Pic - Bur, Par -
> > Bre? All solo threats aside, it's *still* hard for me to trust you while
> > you're holding my home center, so giving Bre back and disbanding Mao will
> > both increase my security level and give me an extra build to send down
> > south.
> I'm looking at other things besides the convoy, too, don't get me wrong.
> Yes, I can give back BRE and I will throw support for PIC - BUR, no extra
> charge. *However* there is something to be said for PAR - GAS because I
> would expect Eric to seize PIE this spring, which would put him next to a
> vacant MAR, and Erik, your fleets may be otherwise occuppied.
My moves are as follows,
ION - ADR
APU - ROM
PIE - VEN
one is likely to bounce, which should bounce everything.
Erik,
Your fleets should be doing the following.
Tun - ION
WES - TYS
SPA(SC) - LYO
> > F Bul is useless. Drop it.
That is my feeling.
> Hm. I would say F ION. The French fleets can defend ION more than
> adequately and the Italian F BUL forces them to hold back to dispose of the
> rogue unit rather than charge the southern line. My 2c.
>
No...ION is going to ADR, and assuming he doesnt fall back off the Munich
line, I can take back VEN to compesate for BUL, which I will be losing.
Andy
Message from Italy to England
> On a completely unrelated subject - I hope you are occasionally writing
> press to yourself. I'd like to read it afterward - you were woefully
> inadequate, if you don't mind me saying so, in this regard in Comments.
>
> It's probably alittle late to be bringing this up.
I was doing it regularly at the beginning of the game, I stopped when I
started working with Russia, but I am doing it again...starting last
night.
Andy
Message from Italy to England and France
Guys....
I know I havent said this before but at this point I think it needs to be
said.
Let me be perfectly clear about one thing.
If you say you are working with me and then you try to take my dots, I
will help the Russian Solo...
And if you think you can get me out, before he gets 2 more dots, you are
smoking the good crack.
it isnt a threat....its just reality.
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
So if you're still up to helping me solo, it should be a lot easier now. :)
Though I suspect that isn't on your agenda any more.
I truly expected Ser-Gre to bounce, and I Tri-Ven (without support) was just
a remnant from when I thought about moving Tri back as you had suggested. The
support for Jason to Smy was what I was getting at with the comment about not
being quite ready to give up on the possibility of a solo. I really did think
REI was the most likely result, and figured that after this season I'd
probably come out even and then just hunker down quietly into a 3way. But
after screwing a really good opportunity to be aggressive last season, I felt
like I had to take a chance on something this season.
I'm assuming that with my moves (and based on the silence that followed them)
that any sort of RI coordination is out of the question. I certainly can't
blame you if that's the case. If I'm wrong and you want to work something
out, I'm here. Actually, even if I'm right, I'm still here and open to
discussion, berating, or whatever.
In any case, I think we can both agree that I'll be the one to do the
treating at our next sushi lunch. :) Maybe we can do that next month in
Portland, since I'm still considering attending.
--- Eric
Italy: REMOVE Fleet Bulgaria (south coast)
Russia: BUILD Fleet Sevastopol
Russia: BUILD Army Warsaw
Centers
England: 11
France: 5
Italy: 3
Russia: 14
Turkey: 1
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