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Message from Master to all
As I mentioned before, there's a player who's asked for an extension
for August 14-20. Right now, the deadline is set for the evening
of the 14th; we'll extend the deadline following that if it involves
the missing player. If not, we'll retreat, build, and extend the
deadline for S1904M.
Please submit orders for F1903M on time. Thanks,
Doug
Message from Germany to Italy
> Is there any possibility of Boh-Vie? Perhaps as compensation for
> moving out of Tyrolia. :) If not, I can go another direction.
Maybe. But are you going to support me in, or do you just want me to
cut his support? If you're supporting me in, then I'll go. If you
want me to cut support, then I'll have to think about it some more. But
I owe Austria no favors.
If I were a betting man. (I'm always wrong) I'd say that Turkey will
give you Greece, and support you to hold in TRI. In exchange you'd pull
your fleet out of EAS, and he wouldn't build a fleet.
IF this is true, then BOH- VIE isn't needed to cut support.
Another question would be why you'd want to help me into VIE. Certainly
you'll build an army in VEN and I wouldn't last long there. Plus I'd be
going in a different direction than I want to. Instead of consolidating
my forces, I'd be spreading out. Another build in my pocket would also
make England nervous.
So I guess there are many reasons why you'd support me in. All of those
reasons would also be why I shouldn't go. But I'd go anyway. A build
is a build. I'd worry about hanging onto it later on.
Fredd
Message from Russia to all
My moves are in. Wait is NOT set. If you want to try to influence my
moves, contact me.
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Russia to Italy and Turkey
Gentlemen,
War HOLD, Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud, Alb S Tri, Bla-Rum,
Bul S Smy-Con, EMed-Smy, Ion-Tun, takes four Centres
from Austria, giving me two builds, and you each one.
What do you think? I could certainly use two builds, and
I think we need to see Ion move west this turn.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I apologize for losing the MAO. I took the 50-50 gamble
and lost. I am disappointed by your move from Tyrolia.
That leaves Germany free to invade me unmolested. I
realize your need with the convoy to Albania, but I am
disappointed nevertheless.
I do hope that your fleet is truly coming over to help
me. England, in his arrogance, probably thinks that it
will be at his beck and call.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to Russia and Turkey
>
> War HOLD, Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud, Alb S Tri, Bla-Rum,
> Bul S Smy-Con, EMed-Smy, Ion-Tun, takes four Centres
> from Austria, giving me two builds, and you each one.
> What do you think? I could certainly use two builds, and
> I think we need to see Ion move west this turn.
>
One of the provisions in IT talks was the Turkey wants to re-gain control of
Smyrna and I can hardly blame him. If we delay the re-acquisition of
Smyrna, one of Turkey's units will be out of action for all of next year.
Not ideal.
You seem supremely confident that Austria will not make a play for either
MOS or SEV. That doesn't sound like the Archduke I used to know.
'Tri s Gal-Bud' duly ordered.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
>
> I apologize for losing the MAO. I took the 50-50 gamble
> and lost.
>
No apology necessary. Sometimes the gambles don't pay off.
> I am disappointed by your move from Tyrolia.
I know.
> That leaves Germany free to invade me unmolested.
I've heard from both England and Germany that the plan is for England to
'get all of France'. Germany is more concerned with the Russian centers
that lie to the east.
>
> I do hope that your fleet is truly coming over to help
> me. England, in his arrogance, probably thinks that it
> will be at his beck and call.
>
It will not be at England's beck and call. Quite the opposite. Once I
reach the WMS, the fleet will be at your beck and call.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy and Turkey
>Message from Italy to Russia and Turkey in 'titleist':
>
> > War HOLD, Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud, Alb S Tri, Bla-Rum,
> > Bul S Smy-Con, EMed-Smy, Ion-Tun, takes four Centres
> > from Austria, giving me two builds, and you each one.
> > What do you think? I could certainly use two builds, and
> > I think we need to see Ion move west this turn.
>
>One of the provisions in IT talks was the Turkey wants to re-gain control
>of Smyrna and I can hardly blame him.
I understand that, but I believe my plan is the only
way to be sure that we all grow, and that we do the maximum
damage to Austria. Trading Smy for Gre risks losing Tri,
or destroying TA Gre, and delaying your move to defend the
western Med.
>You seem supremely confident that Austria will not make a play for either
>MOS or SEV.
I'm hopeful, but given Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud, I'll
still build one, and he'll disband three, even if he
takes Mos or Sev, and I need the double support to
insure that build.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Thank you for the reassurances about the intentions of
your fleet. I realize that I have little choice but to
request its services. I will trust that you realize that
any center that you initially take would be hard to hold
from England. This is especially true until you gather
more strength. I do not see you growing this turn,
unless things go well with the Turk. On the other hand,
he may get quite large.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to France
>
> Thank you for the reassurances about the intentions of
> your fleet. I realize that I have little choice but to
> request its services. I will trust that you realize that
> any center that you initially take would be hard to hold
> from England.
>
Yes, I fully understand that defending Iberia from England would be a
nightmare.
> This is especially true until you gather
> more strength. I do not see you growing this turn,
> unless things go well with the Turk. On the other hand,
> he may get quite large.
>
Well, I'm trying to work out the fine details now with Turkey regarding our
growth potential this year. I knew I was gambling with my spring moves but,
as Italy, I felt I needed to take a few gambles in this game. My advantage
is, even with multiple fleet builds, Turkey would not be able to break thru
the Ionean for several years so I have diplomatic leverage to get him to
continue to build armies and push north.
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
As you already realized, I'm not enthused about Russia's plan. I'd much
rather go with the orders you and I had discussed. I don't know if I can sell
this to Russia or not, but I'm really not willing to forego regaining Smy as
we had planned.
I'm entering orders of Ser S Tri, Gre-Bul, Bul-Rum, Smy Hold. At present Bla
is supporting the Rum move, though I'm still considering the self-bounce in
Con. A Ser is basically at your disposal, I'll be happy to order Ser S
Tri-Bud, or even Ser S Gal-Bud, if you request it.
The last I heard from Austria was that he's ordering Bul S Vie-Tri, Ukr-Mos or
Sev. I don't really know what he has planned, but his last press to me
requested support for Vie-Tri. Hopefully I'll hear from him again before the
deadline, and if I do I'll let you know.
Regards,
Ali
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
I just got a note from Austria. He says he's entered Bud S Vie-Tri. He also
proposes Gre-Alb, Bul S Aeg-Gre to cut support from Alb and still protect
Greece (which I told him I agreed to). I can't help but note that this plan
leaves Rum under-defended, so I'll probably leave my order for Bla intact.
If it's to be believed, then the ITR combination would be Ser S Tri, Tri S
Gal-Vie. I have not yet mentioned any of this to Russia; I'd rather hear your
thoughts on the matter before bringing it up with him.
Write when you get a chance,
Ali
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> As you already realized, I'm not enthused about Russia's
> plan.
>
I hope you can tell by my response I was not overly excited about the plan
either. I do/did think there are some tactical advantages available to not
swap the centers this year but we're beyond that point and it's perfectly
reasonable for you to ask for your home center back.
>
> A Ser is basically at your disposal, I'll be happy to
> order Ser S Tri-Bud, or even Ser S Gal-Bud, if you
> request it.
>
Keep the order as is, supporting Trieste to hold. I've issued the support
for Gal-Bud but if Austria moves as he's told you the support will be cut
and Russia won't reach Budapest. Whether that is good or bad I suppose is
yet to be determined. I don't really think it much matters at this point
though.
> Hopefully I'll hear from him again before the
> deadline, and if I do I'll let you know.
>
Sounds like a plan. It would take something extremely substantial for me to
alter my orders though.
Just received in my inbox:
> If it's to be believed, then the ITR combination would
> be Ser S Tri, Tri S Gal-Vie. I have not yet mentioned
> any of this to Russia; I'd rather hear your thoughts
> on the matter before bringing it up with him.
Or the IT combination of Ser s Tri-Bud, Alb-Tri.
I would not mind changing my order to support Russia to Vienna instead of
Budapest if you can convince him and if you think it best to give Russia a
build. No guarantee he'd even get a build with SEV/MOS/STP all under
attack. Even if he did reach Vienna, taking it from him in a year or two
would be rather trivial I think.
I would tend to think Austria is being upfront with his moves (at least VIE
and BUD) with you. If you decide to spill the beans to Russia, I think he'd
feel more confident if you sent the message to both him and me.
Basically, I'm sort of leaving it up to you based on how much you want to
limit Russia's growth. Personally, I just want to make sure Austria has as
few centers as possible by year's end. Who gets them is less significant to
me.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
Here's the latest. Austria says he's ordered Bud S Vie-Tri, Aeg-Gre, and is
expecting Ser S Vie-Tri, Bul S Aeg-Gre. He also says he thinks the odds are 3
to 1 against my actually coming through as promised, though, so it's uncertain
whether he'll actually order that way. Russia is pleading for Ser S Gal-Bud,
but my order remains Ser S Tri (and will remain so unless you request
otherwise).
I've given much thought to the Gal-Vie angle, but (a) I'm not entirely sure
Austria will order as he tells me, and (b) I'm not sure I could convince
Russia to order the move, and (c) I'm not sure I really want Russia building.
If things go as I hope, then Austria and Russia will be at 3 each, and if
Austria moves to Sev or Mos then it will be difficult for them to work things
out and combine their efforts.
However, I'm only slightly leaning this way, and I'm a bit ambivalent about
it. I think in retrospect I ought to at least mention it in press to IR, and
see how Russia reacts. It's a bit close to the deadline to start changing
things around, but there is still time to work it out if Russia goes for it.
Given the anticipated German attacks against Russia, it might be best to limit
Austria as much as possible this turn.
Thoughts? Comments? Sorry I'm being so wishy-washy about it, I just don't
have a clear sense on the best way to go. Whatever happens, though, I'm
committed to long-term cooperation with Italy, and I will move as we've
discussed in accordance with the IT.
Regards,
Ali
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto, My Friend,
Have you made a decision regarding F Ion, yet? I'm
concerned about Ivy ordering MAO-NAf, Iri S NAO-MAO to
negate TyS-WMed.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from Turkey to Italy and Russia
Gentlemen,
I have a new proposal to put on the table. Austria is now telling me he's
ordering Bud S Vie-Tri, and is expecting Ser S Vie-Tri. I believe there is a
good chance that he will indeed order this way. In that case, the best
outcome for all three of us would be Ser S Tri, Tri S Gal-Vie. This would
give Russia a build, two if Austria attacks Rum. If he does, then he will be
down to 1 unit by the end of this turn.
There is always the possibility that Austria is lying to me about his
intentions, but I have made every effort to convince him I will support him to
get back at Italy for the leponto, and he is clearly requesting support for
Vie-Tri. So, I feel this combination has a lot of promise.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Ali
Message from Master to all
Just a reminder: please submit moves today. We have another extension
coming up and I'd like to get in the moves, retreats, and builds if
we can before his return.
Doug
PS: which player was it? Could the departing power please remind me?
Message from Russia to Italy and Turkey
>Message from Turkey to Russia and Italy in 'titleist':
>
>I have a new proposal to put on the table. Austria is now telling me he's
>ordering Bud S Vie-Tri, and is expecting Ser S Vie-Tri. I believe there is
>a good chance that he will indeed order this way.
Given Smy-Alb, Tyl-Tri, Rum-Ser, Austria has little
reason to suspect discord between you and Italy, so I'd
expect him to lie to you, and order Vie S Bud, Bud S Vie.
If you do order Ser S Vie-Tri, he still gets the benefit
of IT discord without risking the loss of Bud.
>the best outcome for all three of us would be Ser S Tri, Tri S Gal-Vie.
Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud would be just as effective against
Bud S Vie-Tri, since my attack cuts his support, and it
also works against Bud S Vie S Bud.
>I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
I'd say we should stick with Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud.
Roberto, what do you think?
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from Italy to Master
> which player was it? Could the departing power please remind me?
Reminder!
Message from Italy to Germany
> > Is there any possibility of Boh-Vie?
> Maybe. But are you going to support me in, or do you just want me to
> cut his support? If you're supporting me in, then I'll go. If you
> want me to cut support, then I'll have to think about it some more.
Can I support you in? I'd have to answer no. I think that would adversely
affect my diplomatic relations with Turkey and to a lesser extent England.
There are rumors though of an AT plan to take Trieste which, if true, might
allow you to waltz into Vienna without my support.
I fully understand if you have other plans and in no way would our relations
be affected if you decided to move east and north against Russia.
> Certainly you'll build an army in VEN and I wouldn't last long there.
Given the luxury of a build this winter (not guaranteed by any stretch of
the imagination) I would still consider strongly building another fleet if
everything went as I hope.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Here's the latest. Austria says he's ordered Bud S Vie-Tri, Aeg-Gre,
Which means I need to go into Greece with support which in turns means I
need Serbia to support Trieste in case of Vie s Bud-Tri.
Bottom line is, I think we need to stick to the orders we have entered and
unfortunately let Russia hang with Gal-Bud. I'll issue the support for his
move in hopes of Vie s Bud-Tri.
Since Serbia won't be supporting Russia into Budapest (and he'll be upset
that you don't issue the order) does it make sense to re-consider Bla-Sev?
If Austria goes for it, it would bounce otherwise you'd gain the center.
Russia would be even more upset but it wouldn't be much more than he's
already going to be when he sees the Serbian order. Just a thought.
> He also says he thinks the odds are 3 to 1 against my actually coming >
through as promised, though, so it's uncertain whether he'll actually
> order that way.
I hope you told him then that there's only a 1 in 3 chance you'll issue the
orders he wants. And he wonders why I stabbed him?!
> Russia is pleading for Ser S Gal-Bud, but my order remains Ser S Tri
> (and will remain so unless you request otherwise).
See above. I'd suggest no change.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia and Turkey
> Given Smy-Alb, Tyl-Tri, Rum-Ser, Austria has little
> reason to suspect discord between you and Italy, so I'd
> expect him to lie to you, and order Vie S Bud, Bud S Vie.
> If you do order Ser S Vie-Tri, he still gets the benefit
> of IT discord without risking the loss of Bud.
I would tend to agree with the above statement. Austria is probably lying
to both of you this phase in hopes of creating some kind of discord.
Whether he'll order mutual supports is open for debate. He's not a passive
player. I would expect him to make a play for either WAR/MOS/SEV with
Ukraine, use VIE/BUD in some form against TRI, and what he does with AEG is
anybody's guess.
> I'd say we should stick with Tri & Ser S Gal-Bud.
>
Trieste has been so ordered.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
Ok, pretty much as expected, but no harm running it up the flagpole. My
orders are Ser S Tri, Gre-Bul, Bul-Rum. I'm thinking about Sev, but at the
moment I'd rather put the pressure on Rum in hopes my A Gre actually goes to
Bul. It won't be a huge setback if the army is destroyed, but I'd much prefer
to see it just go to Bul. And, I'm still giving serious thought to the
self-bounce in Con.
I'm counting on Alb S Ion-Gre, EMS-Ion. If Austria moves as he tells me,
it'll be all good. Russia will be pissed, but hopefully with German pressure
there won't be much he can do about it.
Regards,
Ali
Austria: Fleet Aegean Sea → Greece (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Vienna → Trieste (*cut*)
Austria: Army Ukraine → Sevastopol
Austria: Army Vienna → Trieste (*bounce*)
England: Army Belgium SUPPORT German Army Munich → Burgundy
England: Fleet Irish Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet London → North Sea
England: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean SUPPORT Fleet Irish Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Brest → English Channel (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Belgium (*bounce, dislodged*)
France: Army Gascony → Spain (*bounce*)
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT Army Burgundy → Belgium
France: Fleet Portugal → Spain (south coast) (*bounce*)
Germany: Fleet Baltic Sea → Livonia
Germany: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Austrian Army Budapest → Galicia (*void*)
Germany: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia SUPPORT Russian Fleet Livonia → St Petersburg (south coast)
Germany: Army Munich → Burgundy
Germany: Army Prussia → Warsaw (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT English Army Belgium
Italy: Army Albania SUPPORT Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Ionian Sea
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece
Italy: Army Trieste SUPPORT Russian Army Galicia → Budapest (*cut*)
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea → Western Mediterranean
Russia: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Livonia → St Petersburg (south coast)
Russia: Army Warsaw HOLD
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea → Constantinople (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Rumania
Turkey: Army Greece → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Serbia SUPPORT Italian Army Trieste
Turkey: Army Smyrna → Constantinople (*bounce*)
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