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Message from Italy to Germany
Ok, I have to ask, what's up with Tyrolia?
I figured somebody would come after me. I was disappointed to find out it
was you, if indeed the move to Tyrolia was meant as an aggressive move. I
will have to figure out a way to defend against however regardless of its
motive.
Looks to me like you made moves against both Russia and England. I didn't
think you'd also move to Tyrolia as well.
Anyway, I'd love to here your thoughts on the spring moves and hope we can
resolve the issue of Tyrolia once and for all.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
> I just have time for a quick note. Thanks for withdrawing!!
You are welcome. One front at a time. The only bad part of the moves was
that rascal Germany moved into Tyrolia. I can't believe he made moves
against three different countries in one turn. To me, that's a recipe for
disaster. Was he expecting something from you that he didn't get?
> Now what to do next.
Clearly it's your decision but Italy would diplomatically support Bur-Mun
and, as soon as possible, I would support it militarally.
EG tension appears to have hit a boiling point and you made pro-English
moves so I would suspect you would keep that alliance. However, English
territory presents a larger and easier growth opportunity for you. I would
suggest a pro-EF fall turn but be prepared to stab England next year.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
I had to go for Germany, because he was going for me. Germany had to go
for me, because I was going for him. This mutual, simultaneous stab is
remarkably guilt free.
I don't know what happens now. The balky USIN has just about cut off
communications again.
Ivy
Message from Germany to Italy
Life is not so beautiful.
The Tyrolia move is indeed meant as an aggressive move against you.
You know why of course. Nobody else is doing anything to halt your
takeover of Turkey. I figured that if I didn't do something, then
you'd win. I'm sure that you've considered this possibility yourself.
So it's nothing personal. I just can't win if you do.
> Looks to me like you made moves against both Russia and > England. I didn't think you'd also move to Tyrolia as well.
It was a tough call. I really wanted Russia to come down and help
Turkey against you, but he'd have none of it.
France asked me about it and my reply was that I decided to attack in
all directions. It'll probably backfire, but it sure beats all this
playing around.
>
> Anyway, I'd love to here your thoughts on the spring moves
> and hope we can resolve the issue of Tyrolia once and for
> all.
Ivy and I attemped a stab of each other simultaneously. He'd been
creeping toward me for a couple of moves, and wouldn't get out of the
North Sea. I've seen this type of behavior before. After the fact
I've found out he'd decided that since France had your help he couldn't
break through before you had pretty much dismantled Turkey. Hence EF
formed up. France is supposed to head your way. They're both supposed
to take me out. But considering how the pendulum swings, who knows what
will happen.
You might have made a mistake by becoming the 800 lb gorilla. Or it
might win you the game. Time will tell. For the moment I think that
we're antagonists. This could change. I'm burning no bridges (except
Russia's)
Fredd
Message from Italy to Germany
>
> So it's nothing personal. I just can't win if you do.
>
Fair enough.
>
> It was a tough call. I really wanted Russia to come down and help
> Turkey against you, but he'd have none of it.
>
Would it help if I agreed not to pursue any further Turkish centers beyond
Budapest until such time as you've dealt with Russia and gotten the West
straightened out?
> They're both supposed to take me out.
And you certainly can't win if this happens.
>
> You might have made a mistake by becoming the 800 lb gorilla.
>
I guess that begs the question, why would anybody try to take a banana from
an 800 lb gorilla? :)
> For the moment I think that we're antagonists.
I don't think being antagonists at this point is very good for either of us.
If indeed EF has formed and they see you as tied up with 'keeping Italy from
winning', they will just take advantage of the situation and your position
will crumble very fast (at least in my humble opinion). You may indeed keep
me from winning but you won't be doing yourself any favors.
Looking at the map, I would suspect to see Pic s Bel again and probably Bur
- Mun as well as Nor s Fin - Swe. It could get ugly.
> This could change. I'm burning no bridges (except Russia's)
>
Like I said before, peace with Germany is of utmost importance to me and I'm
willing to do anything to get it. Please let me know what I need to do to
give us an equal chance at winning this game. I certainly liked your
suggestion of us going both east and west at the same time. I'm willing to
curtail my Turkish activities if need be. Whatever, just let me know.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Ah, the table is finally turned. You are now asking *ME*
to go to Munich for politically reasons :-) :-) I will
consider it. But I will probably keep my moves close to
the vest this season. I really do not know what to
expect from England and Germany.
Do you think that Turkey and Germany will team up? Or is
Germany headed around Switzerland? I have noted that
possibility.
--Prince Boar
Message from Italy to France
>
> Ah, the table is finally turned. You are now asking *ME*
> to go to Munich for politically reasons :-) :-)
> I will consider it.
>
I don't expect that you will move there. I just want to be able to tell
Germany that you told me that you will move there. :)
> But I will probably keep my moves close to
> the vest this season. I really do not know what to
> expect from England and Germany.
>
Germany has hinted at an EF plan which goes along the lines of: EF take
Germany out while you head my way and England heads to northern Russia.
If you didn't tell him that, either he made it up himself or Ivy is leaking
more information than you'd care to know.
> Do you think that Turkey and Germany will team up? Or is
> Germany headed around Switzerland? I have noted that
> possibility.
>
Germany has told me flat out that the move to Tyrolia was an aggressive move
against me to make sure I didn't advance against Turkey too fast. Am I the
only who thinks I can't get much further against Turkey without a lot of
luck?
Always good to hear from you. I'll be very interested in your moves this
fall as they very well could turn the tide in this game. I imagine
everybody wants to be your friend right now. (I head the top of that list
btw.) I just hope you remember which power has been your friend the longest
and will continue to be your friend.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
If you're interested, Budapest and Serbia might be talked into supporting
Ukraine to Rumania.
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
>Message from Italy to Russia in 'titleist':
>
>If you're interested, Budapest and Serbia might be talked into supporting
>Ukraine to Rumania.
It's interesting, but I fear I have to deal
with the German presence in StP first. Maybe next
year.
In Haste,
Nick.
Message from Master to all
I'm back and I see everything went smoothly in my absence. Maybe
I should take more golf vacations . . .
Doug
Message from Italy to Master
>
> I'm back and I see everything went smoothly in my absence.
>
Not quite. The judge was down most of the weekend. I don't think anybody
has asked for a deadline extension though.
Roberto
Message from Master to all
S1905R processed on Saturday; this is a -MTWTF- 48 hour game; I thought
that would put the next deadline on Tuesday night. I guess not though;
Monday night deadlines are allowed and it is 48 hours after the last
deadline, so it passed through.
How would I set deadlines such that a deadline would fall on a Monday
only if the previous moves processed Thursday or earlier? IOW, so that
every movement deadline followed at least two full weekdays . . .
Anyway, I'm moving *this* deadline to tomorrow night.
Doug
Message from Germany to Italy
> Would it help if I agreed not to pursue any further Turkish centers
> beyond Budapest until such time as you've dealt with Russia and
> gotten the West straightened out?
I'm afraid not. I guess he would lives by the sword dies by the sword.
Meaning that you've lied (although not to me) in the past. I would be
remiss if I didn't take that into consideration.
I can point you in a better direction for your diplomatic efforts. I've
told France and England that if they take a bite out of me, my first
disband will be that army in TYR.
Fredd
Message from Italy to Germany
>
> I'm afraid not. I guess he would lives by the sword dies by
> the sword.
I appreciate the answer but you leave me no choice then but to forcefully
remove the unit at the first opportunity.
> Meaning that you've lied (although not to me) in the past.
>
Who hasn't?
Roberto
Message from Italy to Turkey
For whatever reason, Germany has decided to be a thorn in my side. For my
sake, let's hope I guess correctly this turn. If not, you'll probably win
the game. I tip my hat to you if you somehow influenced Mun->Tyr.
Roberto
Message from Germany to Italy
> > Meaning that you've lied (although not to me) in the past.
> >
>
> Who hasn't?
You've been particularly good at it :-0 (that's a compliment)
Fredd
Message from France to England, Germany, Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Just to let you know that I will likely be unavailable
tonight. Any thing that you need to be work out with
France, please try to do before the standard workday
ends.
Merci,
France
Message from Russia to all
Like much of the rest of the country, my
workplace is shutting down in response to the
reported terrorist attacks in New York and
Washington D.C. I'll be back online once I
get out of town, and back home. (Nick shakes
his head, "The chances of a terrorist targeting
the town I work in, let alone the building I
work in, is exactly zero, but I suppose that
since everyone is watching TV and listening to
the radio, rather than working, it makes a
certain amount of sense.)
Message from Italy to all
We are taking a break. I cannot give you a timeline of when I will be back
online. There are no words to describe the events of today.
Message from Master to all
Agreed. I've moved the deadline way out and set wait; we'll talk about
resuming this game at some time in the future. I have a brother who on
occasion has to work at the Pentagon and I'm not interested in doing
anything until I hear from him.
Doug
Message from Turkey to all
I cannot begin to describe the mortification, grief and fury that course
through me on this blackest of days. I, too, will unavailable until further
notice.
Message from Russia to all
I Wrote >
> I'll be back online once I get out of town, and back home.
In the unlikely event that anyone was even remotely concerned
about my safety based on my last message, don't be. I'm home,
and fine.
Russia.
Message from England to all
I am willing to
a) resume "titleist" anytime, whether it be now, a week from now, a month
from now, ... whatever.
b) terminate the game if someone is so personally affected that continuing
would be inappropriate.
Ivy
Message from Germany to all
My suggestion would be to just leave this alone through the coming
weekend. Then set a deadline of Wed midnight for the next moves.
Fredd
Message from France to all
I agree with the German proposal. Next week seems like
an appropriate time to start thinking about a game again.
It may be nice to have a friendly diversion from all
these troubles. However, I think that we may want to
slow things down for a little while, perhaps adjusting
the deadlines to 72 hours, as we will all be distracted.
However, if Doug, or any single person is not ready to
start, for any reason. Then I am willing to allow them
an unquestioned veto for the start date (for as long as
necessary).
May God, Buddha, or wherever we draw our religious or
philosophical strength watch over each of us.
--Prince Boar
Message from Master to all
I'll set the next deadline for the latest date that any player
requests, but will move to 72 hour deadlines only by unanimous
consent of all players (I'd still like to finish by December,
though, since the next full-press tournament should being in
early 2002 -- so I'd personally rather stay with 48 hours).
Please press to m with your opinion on both matters; all player
requests will be private.
Doug
Message from France to all
I am not suggesting or even requesting a permanent
deadline change to 72 hours. I was suggesting that in
the first week or so after we continue, that we may want
to proceed slowly. I do not think that settings changes
are necessary.
Since, I am voting against changing the game to 72 hours,
there is no need for anyone else to vote. All I ask is
that we adjust the first few deadlines *if* it seems
appropriate.
Thanks,
France
Message from Turkey to all
I am ready to resume the game at any time. My orders for fall are confirmed.
Ali
Message from Russia to all
>Broadcast message from Turkey in 'titleist':
>
>I am ready to resume the game at any time. My orders for fall are
>confirmed.
My orders are in as well.
Nick.
Message from Master to all
I've set the deadline for F1905M to Thursday evening. If anyone would
like more time for this or the next few deadlines, let me know.
Doug
Message from England to all
We are starting again, apparently.
I haven't given any thought to "titleist" since we halted. It just doesn't
feel the same. The often used phrase, "it's just a game," never meant more
than it does now. So let's "play" and play well, knowing more than ever
that it is just recreation. Recreation still has its place.
Ivy
Message from France to all
I am available and ready to continue. I too am
struggling getting back into the game. I suppose that it
will improve with time. I apologize in advance if my
presentation and attention suffers for a while.
I may need a little more time before removing my set
wait. Negotiations were not complete last Tuesday when
it suddenly no longer matter.
--Prince Boar
Message from Master to all
Okay, let's try Friday night (tonight!) for a deadline.
Doug
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I hope that things are going well for you. I have not
talked to you since 9/11. I know that the game is realy
not too important and we have nothing to coordinate, but
I miss our discussions nonetheless.
Have you been having troubles with Germany? He is pretty
determined to get me to committ forces against you. I
know that someday we will need to have some 'peace
keeping' forces on our border, but I need to finish off
England or Germany first. Right now I am worried about
Germany trying a second major play. His army in Tyrolia
could do so many things from moving to Piedmont to going
for Trieste or Venice. It is too bad that you ever gave
up that spot :-)
--Prince Boar
Message from Italy to France
>
> Have you been having troubles with Germany? He is pretty
> determined to get me to committ forces against you. I
> know that someday we will need to have some 'peace
> keeping' forces on our border, but I need to finish off
> England or Germany first. Right now I am worried about
> Germany trying a second major play. His army in Tyrolia
> could do so many things from moving to Piedmont to going
> for Trieste or Venice.
>
I am willing to commit to whatever units are needed against Germany that you
want. Germany and I have not seen eye-to-eye on many things this game. Let
me know what you need if you decide to go against Germany. I would support
you 100%.
> It is too bad that you ever gave up that spot :-)
>
I have resigned myself to the fact that I made a poor move this last spring.
I should have moved Venice to Tyrolia.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I may take you up on your offer to work against Germany.
I really do not want to give away too much before the
moves come in.
I would recommend that you make sure that he does not
take one of your centers (i.e, try Tri -> Ven, Bud, Vie
to Tri, or something along those lines).
--Prince Boar
Message [from France] to all
What is the story with the game? Is someone missing or is someone
expecting a deadline extension? If not, what are we waiting for?
Message from Master to Italy
Any problems here, Ken? We're waiting for your orders . . .
Doug
Message from England to all
My moves have been in for a long, long time.
Ivy
Message from Russia to all
> Broadcast message from England in 'titleist':
>
> My moves have been in for a long, long time.
Mine have been in since, (checking records...) the night of 9/9.
Nick.
Message from Master to all
I've spoken with the late player. He's had some hectic issues to deal
with and has had to knock the priority of Diplomacy down a bit recently.
But he didn't ask for an extended break and said he would submit orders
by the end of the weekend.
The game is listed "Quiet", so I won't say who it was, nor will I confirm
or deny anything.
Doug
England: Army Belgium → English Channel → Picardy
England: Fleet English Channel CONVOY Army Belgium → Picardy
England: Fleet Irish Sea → North Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet Norway SUPPORT Russian Fleet Finland → Sweden
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → North Sea
France: Fleet Brest → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Picardy → Belgium
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Western Mediterranean
France: Army Picardy → Belgium
France: Fleet Portugal → Spain (south coast)
Germany: Fleet Denmark → Sweden (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Holland SUPPORT French Army Burgundy → Belgium (*void*)
Germany: Army Livonia → Warsaw (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr → Munich
Germany: Fleet St Petersburg (south coast) HOLD
Germany: Army Tyrolia → Trieste (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast) (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Budapest → Galicia (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Apulia
Italy: Army Serbia → Rumania (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Trieste → Tyrolia (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea HOLD
Italy: Army Vienna → Galicia (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Finland → Sweden
Russia: Army Ukraine → Moscow
Russia: Army Warsaw SUPPORT Army Ukraine → Moscow (*cut*)
Turkey: Army Ankara → Smyrna (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Sevastopol → Rumania (*cut*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Galicia SUPPORT Army Sevastopol → Rumania (*cut*)
Turkey: Army Sevastopol → Rumania (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna → Aegean Sea (*bounce*)
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