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Message from Russia to all
>England: Builds an army in London.
>England: Builds an army in Edinburgh.
Ivy, are you insane??? Even if France supports
you into Kie and Ber, and gives you Munich, that
plus all of Russia is only 15 Centers, and Sev
is hard for a Northern Power to take and hold.
Do you expect France to give you Austrian,
Turkish, or Balkan Centers that you can't
defend, just to avoid the Solo??? Is anyone in
this game, besides Prince Boar, playing to win?
Czar Nicholas II of Germany and Poland.
Message from Master to all
Players -- please remember to submit EoY statements. Thanks,
Doug
Message from England to Master
1907 from England
No change in general strategy, but worries have popped up. It is
increasingly doubtful that Turkey can survive to be a friendly partner in a
3-way ending. It may be that Italy, instead, will have eliminated Turkey
and have occupied the Turkish homeland. Italy is a real mystery to me and
I am not confident that he will be friendly at the end.
Still, I thought it best to forge ahead in lockstep with France toward the
final showdown. This meant, regrettably, lying to Russia on the fall
move. I like "Nick," and I think he and I were partners in an earlier
game, but I didn't want to risk a sudden German/Russian resistance no
matter how unlikely.
Russia (Nick) has sharply criticized my building of two armies, thinking
apparently that I need more fleets to attack France. If I wanted to attack
France immediately, then a fleet build would make sense. However I wish to
postpone the crisis, and that means that war with France may hinge on
armies in central Europe. In my second e-mail game ever, some years ago
now, I was France and went down to the wire with my English partner,
Jonathan Tan. I had no idea that Jonathan was a superstrong player. He
stabbed me when we were down to about 15-15 or 16-16 each. It was touch
and go, but he won because he struck first and had sufficient armies in
central Europe.
After all this effort over four games in a two year span, I would be happy
to share a 17-17 ending. Even though France and I talk as if we are
heading in that direction, I doubt it will be achieved. If we do get to
17-17, one of us will likely see an advantage somewhere and try to pursue
it. More likely than that is that someone will strike before that
happens. Right now I believe that France has an advantage because of his
nearness to enemy supply centers and the Italian strategy of offering no
resistance.
Allen
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
You are rather helpless against the fleet shift Gre->Aeg->Eas->Syr. Italy
hasn't done this yet, even though it was available. Perhaps he just hasn't
seen it.
In the north you have resources. In your position, I would gamble, perhaps
with Mos->Ukr, because no moves are absolutely safe. Italy has a good
spring move with Bud->Rum->Ukr, and that's more sophisticated than the much
too obvious Rum->Sev. If you bounce him in the spring, then you can
probably survive the fall.
I am guessing that France will take two more units from Italy this year.
I really don't like my position. France is closer to more centers and is
getting no resistance.
Ivy
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
Briefly, out of necessity.
So, is it OK for me to go for Kiel in addition to Sweden this year? That
means that I need to put armies in Holland and Ruhr.
You obviously have Venice. Do you want Trieste? That should be your
absolute limit this year from my point of view. 8-) Or do you really want
to equalize?
I think it obvious that, once again, Italy will withdraw farther rather
than resist.
Ivy
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I think that we can focus on two new centers for each of
us this year. But we may want to back that off to one as
things develop.
Nick is trying to get you to stab me. He is of course
trying to get me to stab you. He has not choice in the
matter really.
I am exhausted and will write more tomorrow. Today was a
very long day and life has too many crisis's in it right
now.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to all
Fredd:
>Ya gotta love it. The person who has sent out more
>press than anyone whom I've ever played against, wants
>to be a censor. What could any EOG message say that
>hasn't been said in private many times?
More press to you than Ivy wrote? I am surprised. If
you had been more communicative, you would have gotten
much much more from me. I am not sure if you are
relieved or disappointed. I suspect the former. :-)
Go ahead and broadcast your EOG if you want to. I just
thought it would be more fun to read them all together.
When the game ends, you statement would be hard to
recall (being so long ago), which would be disappointing.
I look forward to hearing what everyone has to say.
Write a End of Units statement if you want :-)
Let us know when you get your hot tub. I assume that you
will invite us all over!
Message from Germany to all
> From France
> Let us know when you get your hot tub. I assume that you
> will invite us all over!
Seven guys in a hot tub, not MY idea of fun. ;-)
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
I rather thought I'd get a response from you to
my Broadcast, but since I didn't I figure I had better
approach you directly. Care to discuss preventing
the French Solo that I see barrelling down at us, or
to convince me that my vision of the future is wrong
in some way?
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
I was rather busy yesterday, but I was thinking of my response to you in
the middle of the night. I just now sat down (at work) to respond to your
broadcast when I got the message below.
> I rather thought I'd get a response from you to
>my Broadcast, but since I didn't I figure I had better
>approach you directly. Care to discuss preventing
>the French Solo that I see barrelling down at us, or
>to convince me that my vision of the future is wrong
>in some way?
>
>Nick.
Here's what I intended to write.
I'm confident you don't dislike me personally, but I do want to
you to believe that I am not totally insane in my approach to our
situation. Why two armies? I already have enough fleets to attack you, if
that is to be my route. I also have enough fleets to attack France
(Nwg-Nao, Bel-Pic, Nth-Eng, Nwy-Nth), because any attack on France would
not take me into the Med for a long, long time, if ever. Of course, I
don't have enough to do both, but who would want to do both? I need to get
armies onto the continent, no matter what I do.
Also -- call this a distinction without a difference if you wish
-- but I did not stab you last turn. I lied, but did not stab. Hol->Kiel,
which I contemplated, would have been a stab. It would have left Germany
with a unit and denied you Berlin. I really, really wanted to finish
Germany by making those moves to Sweden and Denmark. My mind was made
up. I didn't want an endless debate on the matter, though, and I knew you
were firmly opposed. And, while I expected to advance against Russia
afterwards, I didn't want to completely close the other option.
Is a French solo coming? I believe his chances are considerably
better than mine. I don't know what to do yet. I had been hoping for an
ending with a viable Turkey, however, I can't tell if Turkey or Italy will
occupy Anatolia if I keep my present course. It makes a big
difference. Italy is driving me crazy. I have to believe that he is
making a good faith effort, but if so he is playing a dangerous game.
Where does this leave me? It left me pushing pieces around the
board last evening, and I came to no conclusion. [I saw that we could get
you Munich, but do I really want that?]
More later, I am sure.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
>I was rather busy yesterday,
*Nick nods* I know how that can happen, but
didn't want to risk having you assume that my
broadcast was my final word to you, or that I felt
we were locked into unavoidable conflict.
> >Care to discuss preventing the French Solo, or
> >to convince me that my vision of the future is >wrong in some way?
>I'm confident you don't dislike me personally,
No, of course not. I don't even dislike Fredd,
Ali, or Ferdinand personally, and they all launched
more damaging, and more foolish attacks on Russia
than you have. Diplomacy may be THE Game, but it's
still a game, and "Ivy Wingo" has been much easier
for me to talk to and to work with than anyone else
in 'titleist', so there is certainly no personal
dislike. I do feel you've made a mistake in
attacking me, though. ;^}
>I do want to you to believe that I am not totally insane in my approach to
>our situation.
Out-of-character, I am a very calm, rational,
even-tempered individual, but there is something
about Diplomacy that encourages hyperbole in me. I
expected an Army and a Fleet.
>Why two armies? I already have enough fleets to attack you, [...]I also
>have enough fleets to attack France
True, but do you have enough Fleets to attack
me, AND defend against a French stab?
>call this a distinction without a difference if you wish-- but I did not
>stab you last turn. I lied, but did not stab.
This is, of course, a matter of perspective,
but:
You Wrote ] ]
I Replied ]
] ]I've decided to block Germany from both Sweden and
] ]Denmark. Yes, it also gives me a second build --
] ]at Germany's expense.
] Umm, no, it's at MY expense, and it could easily
]become three builds for you, and none for me. Don't
]try to set up a stab of me as defense against France,
]Ivy, we're all to accomplished to fall for it. If you
]want to play safe in Belgium, that's your concern, but
]moving to Sweden and Denmark without my permission is
]NOT the act of an ally!
We clearly established that Nwy-Swe, Nth-Den,
without an attack on France would be viewed as a
stab, and you accepted and acknowledged that.
>I expected to advance against Russia afterwards, I didn't want to
>completely close the other option.
If you expected to advance further as my
expense, your move can only be interpreted as a
stab. Stabs are part of the game, however, and I
don't hold it against you, and if by joining forces
with you, I can prevent a French solo, and get a
share of a draw, I'll do it.
>Is a French solo coming? I believe his chances are considerably better
>than mine.
Yes, it is coming. He can give you Munich and still
solo without attacking you or me, or he can take
Germany and the Lowlands and let Turkey survive.
>I don't know what to do yet. I had been hoping for an ending with a viable
>Turkey, however, I can't tell if Turkey or Italy will occupy Anatolia if I
>keep my present course. It makes a big difference.
Attacking an ally, (me) without a plan is always
dangerous, especially if you may need that ally
to stop someone else's solo bid. Turkey's move
to Moscow may extend his life, but it also dooms
him, especially since he's not sending or
responding to Press. Italy may be able to
eliminate Turkey, but France has already passed
beyond the minimum Southern stalemate line, so
it's just a matter of time before the entire Med
falls to France, unless I can take Turkey myself,
and I can't do that if you're attacking me in the
North.
>Italy is driving me crazy. I have to believe that he is making a good
>faith effort, but if so he is playing a dangerous game.
I'm not so sure that 9/11 didn't take the fight out
of both Italy and Turkey. Italy and I have been
talking, and he refuses to even mount a defense
against France until Turkey is eliminated.
>Where does this leave me?
It leaves you at a point of decision. This moment
will decide the course of the game. France has
two viable paths to the Solo, into Turkey, or through
you. I'm the only one who has the will, the vision,
and the position to stop him in Turkey. Your best
chance to stop France from attacking you, is to
attack him now, and since your only realistic path to
a Solo lies through France, that makes since, anyway.
It's clear to me that if you attack me, you lose,
while if you attack France, you have the chance to
draw, or perhaps win.
France is a better, or at least more highly-rated,
player than I am, so it seems likely that if I can
see this, he can see it, too. Why do you think he's
spoken so encouragingly about the prospects for EF?
(I'm assuming that he has, but it seems like a safe
bet.)
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Russia to all
"Warsaw Komsomolets"
January, 1907
"Growth At Last, But At What Price?"
Reports of riots in St. Petersburg mark the continuing decline of Russian
solidarity. Scores of citizens were injured and three lives were lost as
angry mobs stormed the English and Turkish consulate buildings. The
sound of shattering glass could be heard throughout the city and a few
buildings were seen smoldering in the early light of dawn.
When word of the fall of Germany came to this area, it was hoped the
citizens would once more unite and a wave of support would be felt much
as it did when Austria fell by the wayside. News of declining conditions
for
the troops bravely fighting this war, the stagnation of the economy, the
loss of key positions to supposed allies have clearly left their mark
on the citizens of this great country. Once firmly supporting the Czar
Nicholas and Tsarina Alexandra, the nation now questions why their leader
has chosen this inopportune time to tour the areas of Scandinavia and
Northern Germany when they, themselves, face destitution and ruin.
Government sources are trying to rally the people, promising that things
will
soon change as Turkey and England face defeat and Russian troops move
in to take advantage of this situation. Programs to aid the hardest hit
areas
are in planning and sources say many people may see relief in only a matter
of weeks. The Bolsheviks feel that this aid package will be too little, too
late,
if it arrives at all and have begun to call for revolution.
The citizens of Moscow are reported to be rioting, but not in protest or an
attempt to overthrow the Russian government. Attempts have been made to
foil key operations of the Turkish military and it is rumored that the
partizans
are, indeed, causing much havoc. Leaflets supporting Czar Nicholas and
urging citizens to unite and oppose the heathen Turks that threaten their
homes
are being posted faster than the Turkish Propaganda Corps can remove them.
What will happen in 1908 remains uncertain, but clearly it will be a year of
great change and upheaval.
Message from France to all
I apologize for my recent silence.
Life has been too busy.
Last night was my daughter's birthday
As most of you know, that must
come before Diplomacy.
For single guys like Fredd, think:
Dauther's B-day ~ Date with Girl > Dip
I spent all day today working on a project
for her school. 2nd grade should not take
up this much time! Need to finish tomorrow.
But something that Fredd can understand:
tonight I am going to a Party!
(first one in almost a year :-)
I will write tomorrow AM before
the frenzy begins anew. I know that I owe
most everyone a message. Since I cannot
write you all now, I will wait on everyone.
Regards,
France
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I am not certain what questions of your I need to answer.
I think that you asked about moving an armies through
Holland and Ruhr. This makes me a little nervous, but I
must be reasonable and allow you to get positioned for a
second center.
I am not yet certain whether we should each take one or
two. I think that we need to see how the spring goes.
The big question is whether you would like to bounce in
the Channel. Let me know.
I hope that things are going well. I am fighting off a
hang over. I forget why I do not go to so many parties
anymore! Well, it is mostly the children. But the
pounding headache the next morning is another reason.
:-)
--Prince Boar
PS: Go Steelers! Just not Jerome Bettis. He plays
against my Fantasy Team :-)
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
"There's always something." -- Roseanne Roseannadana
For you, 2nd grade and a party. For me, standing outside in the dark and
windy cold with friends for three hours last night (can't tell you what we
were doing, but it had a vague resemblance to a sporting event) and
spending all Sunday morning at work. That's where I am now.
I haven't had time to write much, but in the midst of my messy life I have
been thinking about "titleist."
We had earlier observed that I am closer to you, but you are closer to
enemy centers. Of course, the distance from England to France is exactly
the same as the distance from France to England. So, I am closer to you
only in the sense that my units are mostly still back in the northeast,
while you are on the threshold of the wealth of centers that are packed in
Austria, the Balkans and Turkey.
Given our intention of sweeping from west to east, it seems to me that I am
at a distinct disadvantage. No only do I have farther to go, but I am
meeting resistance, while you get to occupy empty spaces. In short, what
everyone in this game is telling me about your position versus mine seems
to be pretty much on the mark. What they want is for me to attack
you. But you know that, of course.
What I am leading up to is this. In spite of my earlier suggestion that we
each go for two units this year, and in spite of your comment that I may
have to exercise restraint, I am asking that we equalize our forces this
year. This gives me a chance to move my two new armies to the east while
restraining your own eastward movement a little. You would still have an
advantage, for my armies will be moving away from England/France, but they
would still be much farther from Austria and the Balkans than your pieces.
Can we do this? Say, two for me and one for you?
>The big question is whether you would like to bounce in
>the Channel. Let me know.
I hadn't thought of this, but I think I am willing to do it. My Holland
fleet is somewhat misplaced and cannot participate in the attack on Russia.
>PS: Go Steelers! Just not Jerome Bettis. He plays
>against my Fantasy Team :-)
The Steelers play Monday at 9:00. That will feel like 10:00 because of the
change to standard time. My normal bedtime is around 10 -11, so I am going
to be one tired person come Tuesday morning.
Ivy
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I understand your request to even up our forces. I am
not surprise at how "everyone" is telling you that I am a
risk to you. They tell me the same thing about you. How
you will stab me because you must stab me, blah blah
blah. They are doing the only thing that they can do,
try to split us up. Otherwise they are toast. But a
two-way or 50-50 shot at a win is much better than a 3 or
4 way draw, hence I will not stab you. I believe that
you will make the same choice.
As for my taking only one center this year, I am
considering it. I need to see what happens in the spring
before we can really know what makes sense. My biggest
concern would be your 5-6 units in the area to my 2-3.
maybe we can find a way for us both to be happy.
Although I may not have any perceived resistance right
now, that will change soon. When either Turkey or Italy
falls, the victor will be strong and will then be much
more of a factor than any remnants of Russia. Even
though Russia is resisting, there is nothing he can do to
stop you from taking Sweden and Kiel this year. As long
as I do not interfere (he is asking of course), you will
have no problem. I will not interfere.
--Prince Boar
PS: I will order Brest to the Channel, because I think
that is what you wanted.
Message from Master to England
Just a friendly reminder that your S1908M moves are due tonight.
Doug
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
Do you have any response to my long letter of
Oct. 26, or are you determined to attack me, even if
it means a French Solo?
Nick.
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
>I understand your request to even up our forces.
> But a two-way or 50-50 shot at a win is much better than a 3 or 4 way
> draw, hence I will not stab you.
By my estimate, the odds are not nearly equal, i.e. not at all 50-50, if we
stay on our present course. You reach lots of centers far before I do.
>As for my taking only one center this year, I am
>considering it. I need to see what happens in the spring
>before we can really know what makes sense. My biggest
>concern would be your 5-6 units in the area to my 2-3.
>maybe we can find a way for us both to be happy.
Would you agree to taking only one center this year after you see in the
spring that I really do convoy my armies eastward, i.e. away from
England/France and toward Russia/Austria?
Most cordially,
a very busy Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
I have not decided and am awaiting a response from France. I do know that
he is moving Brest->Channel for a bounce and that weakens any surprise
attack from me. Still I haven't decided.
Ivy
>Ivy,
>
> Do you have any response to my long letter of
>Oct. 26, or are you determined to attack me, even if
>it means a French Solo?
>
>Nick.
Message from Master to all
One-day extension at player request.
Doug
Message from England to France
I didn't request the extension, but I could sure use it. I don't think I
have devoted 15 minutes to this game since the builds.
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
I didn't request the extension, but I could sure use it. I don't think I
have devoted 15 minutes to this game since the builds.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
>Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
>
>I didn't request the extension, but I could sure use it.
I did. I have to take my son to Scouts tonight, and
this move is too critical to the game, and my future
in it, for me to enter moves without more information.
Russia.
Message from England to Italy
Italy -- Roberto -- Idalia (who the %^&$ are you these days, amigo?)
I have two choices.
1) attack France now, hoping for a partnership with Russia and you. The
goal would be to slow France and then reduce him, but it would also presume
a good faith effort to equalize forces between England, Russia and
Italy. Are you interested? Can you work with Russia (and me)?
2) eliminate Russia and permit France to grow as well. You will have to
burrow into the SE corner. This assumes that you and I will eventually
work together with the goal of restoring your homeland and equalizing our
forces. That's a long term project, but it is workable. This might be
better if you have no trust for Russia.
> > What do you wish to do if you are dug in at Turkey's location
> > and France does not yet have 18? Will you defend?
>
>
>I'm not sure yet.
In a land where "yes" sometimes means "maybe" and often means "no," "I'm
not sure yet" is good enough for me.
I'm just trying to determine your outlook here.
Given the shortage of time, I may send a joint message to you and Russia
before I receive an answer from you. There is no doubt that Russia would
agree to an Eng/Rus/Ita partnership, given that his alternative is
elimination. We still write each other frequently, and he remains cordial.
Most sincerely,
Ivy
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
Grrr. An oversight. I've been distracted the last several days, and I
forgot that I planned Hol->Ruh and Bel supp Lon->Hol. That way I would
have three units on Kiel in the fall. Support of the convoy is needed to
protect against Kiel->Holland in the spring, which would otherwise bounce
my convoy to Holland.
If you still want to bounce in the channel, can you use Munich to support
Holland->Kiel immediately?
If not, I have a dilemma. I will almost surely support the convoy and
trust you not to go to the channel.
What do you think. Do you see any alternative?
Ivy
Message from Italy to England
My immediate (and only) goal is the elimination of Turkey. I've committed
myself to the attack and can't really change direction now. I will continue
this attack even at the expense of losing units to France.
I cannot tell you what will happen if and when Turkey is eliminated. I have
no idea what the map will look like. It maybe that I have to try to take
units from Russia just to make up for lost units to France. It maybe that
Russia and I could cooperate. It maybe that France has a forced win. I'll
have to cross that bridge when it comes.
Idalia by the good graces of the ArchDuke
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> he is moving Brest->Channel for a bounce and that weakens any surprise
> attack from me. Still I haven't decided.
Bel S Nth-ECh, Nwg-NAO, Nwy-Nth, or Nth S Bel-ECh, Nwg-NAO,
Nwy-Nwg still positions you well without undue risk.
Nick
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I will hold in Brest. That allows me flexibility in
deciding what to do with my army in Munich. Do not be
alarmed if I end up supporting Kiel to hold from Munich.
Since you are not going for it, it will not affect you in
the Spring. In the fall, you will take it from *Ruhr* I
presume! :-)
As for your request that I only take one center. I will
serious consider building only one unit. I just need to
see what happens in the spring before I can commit to
that. Your forces moving East will of course help to
give me a sense of peace with it.
We are both doing a little posturing, pointing out the
other's strengths and down playing our own. How about we
agree to put a stop to that (I am certainly counting
myself strongly in the we). Certainly we have different
things going for us. We can, and should discuss it, to
keep our relationship healthy and stable. But we need
not exaggerate it and treat it like a debate to be won.
In the end, mutual cooperation is what will be needed to
keep things even and reduce the risk. To that end, you
need armies in Russia so that you can participate in the
final dismantling of whomever surround the Black Sea.
That should ease both of our concerns (yours that I have
more access and mine that your forces are closer to our
border).
--Prince Boar
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
Well, it's been frustrating. Italy confirms, convincingly, that he has no
interest in defending his rear. He knows that he is dead if he doesn't get
into the SE corner. If France wins while Italy is attempting this, then
"so what?". Italy would have lost anyway.
In the meantime, France will not commit to equalizing our forces this
year. The best I can get from him is, "We'll see." Also, he admits that
he expects to support Kiel this turn. Of course, he promises that I can
have it in the fall, but why is he playing this way with both of us if he
is supposed to be allied with me?
So, I have decided to attack France. I don't like it, but I do fear that
he intends to try to placate you and me while plunging deep into
Austria/Balkans.
I don't expect you to alter your moves. You can wait and see what I do. I
know that Warsaw->Silesia should suffice to get you Munich with my support,
but Warsaw has so many other things that it could do as well.
I will say this. While stopping France from winning outright is my clear
goal, I am willing to work toward equality between you and me as long as we
are working together and as long as it does not permit France to win. I am
willing to reduce my forces if necessary. That's not just talk. You have
already seen me voluntary reduce from 5 units to 4 in order to prevent
Italy from winning.
So, do you have any additional information or advice?
Ivy
>Message from Russia to England in 'titleist':
>
>Ivy,
>
> > he is moving Brest->Channel for a bounce and that weakens any surprise
> > attack from me. Still I haven't decided.
>
>Bel S Nth-ECh, Nwg-NAO, Nwy-Nth, or Nth S Bel-ECh, Nwg-NAO,
>Nwy-Nwg still positions you well without undue risk.
>
>Nick
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
More chaos. I left work to take my father to a medical appointment. We
sat in the waiting room for over an hour beyond the appointed time before
we were called.
>I will hold in Brest. That allows me flexibility in
>deciding what to do with my army in Munich.
This works for me. I should not need Munich at all in the fall then.
> Do not be alarmed if I end up supporting Kiel to hold from Munich.
I probably would have been alarmed, but not now.
>Since you are not going for it, it will not affect you in
>the Spring. In the fall, you will take it from *Ruhr* I
>presume! :-)
As you would say, "I will seriously consider it." 8-)
I am indeed somewhat serious, because it may become evident that you could
get as many as 3 more units next year. Italy is absolutely determined to
leave his rear unguarded. His attitude is either he makes it into the
corner or he loses, and he doesn't care who he loses to. If it becomes
clear that you can get two or three more next year, then we may want to
position me to take Munich. But, we'll see.
>We are both doing a little posturing, pointing out the
>other's strengths and down playing our own. How about we
>agree to put a stop to that (I am certainly counting
>myself strongly in the we).
Oh, let's posture a little. One man's posturing is another's genuine paranoia.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
>Italy confirms, convincingly, that he has no
>interest in defending his rear.
That's the impression I've gotten, as well.
>France will not commit to equalizing our forces The best I can get from him
>is, "We'll see." he admits that he expects to support Kiel this turn.
He's offered the same to me, with a "we'll see"
about the Fall. It seems clear to me that the one
of you who attacks the other this Spring has the
advantage, and neither of you faces another credible
threat, so I'm a bit perplexed why neither of you
seems enthusiastic about about resuming the EF
conflict.
>I have decided to attack France. I don't like it, but I do fear that he
>intends to try to placate you and me while plunging deep into
>Austria/Balkans.
Yes, that's the most likely explanation.
>I know that Warsaw->Silesia should suffice to get you Munich with my
>support, but Warsaw has so many other things that it could do as well.
I see no advantage in taking Munich if I lose
Warsaw as a result.
>I am willing to work toward equality between you and me as long as we are
>working together and as long as it does not permit France to win. I am
>willing to reduce my forces if necessary.
I will most likely take StP in the next few
years, though I expect I will take it from Turkey,
rather than you, but beyond that, unless you are
gaining Centers from France, I see no need or reason
to take Centers from you. As Italy points out,
securing the southeast corner is key to keeping
France from winning, and I'd rather do that than
have Italy do it.
>So, do you have any additional information or advice?
I think you might be better off ordering
ECh S NAO - MAO in the Fall, rather than say
convoying to Pic, since that would allow convoys
of Lvp/Cly-NAO-MAO-Por/Spa/Gas, and Lon-ECh-Pic
next Spring.
Have you written to/heard from Turkey?
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>Have you written to/heard from Turkey?
I wrote to him last week at the beginning of this spring season and have
not had a reply.
At the time I wrote I was still trying to help him, but now that I am
attacking France I think Turkey has little chance of surviving.
I had suggested War->Ukr as a possibility, because I thought Italy was more
likely to try Bud->Rum->Ukr rather than the too obvious Rum->Sev. As I
said, Turkey never replied, so I don't know if he will do it.
This does suggest War->Mos for you. If Turkey goes to StP or Sev, you have
Moscow. If Turkey goes to Ukr you will keep at least one of Warsaw/Moscow
and have a 50-50 guess at the other.
Ivy
Message from England to Italy
For your information:
I wrote Turkey last week at the beginning of this spring season and have
not had a reply.
At the time I wrote I was still trying to help him, but now I am thinking
that you are much more likely to be the SE corner survivor.
I had suggested War->Ukr as a possibility, because I thought you were more
likely to try Bud->Rum->Ukr rather than the too obvious Rum->Sev. As I
said, Turkey never replied, so I don't know if he will do it.
Ivy
Message from Master to England
One more friendly reminder to submit moves tonight. Each deadline missed
usually costs us a day; I'm trying to keep the game moving in order to
finish sometime near the end of the year. The only way to avoid annoying
emails like this is to submit orders and set wait. And even then, I might
write to ask you to set nowait. ;-)
Thanks!
Doug
Message [from England] to all
What county do you live in Doug? Perhaps you need a subgroup of the
Vermont group consisting of those who have a consistent record of
submitting moves on time -- the Xxxxxx County group.
> News about USIN can be found at
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>
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>
>Message from masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master to England in 'titleist':
>
>One more friendly reminder to submit moves tonight. Each deadline missed
>usually costs us a day; I'm trying to keep the game moving in order to
>finish sometime near the end of the year. The only way to avoid annoying
>emails like this is to submit orders and set wait. And even then, I might
>write to ask you to set nowait. ;-)
>
>Thanks!
>
>Doug
Message from England to all
Who could this mystery writer be? He cleverly covers his tracks with grey
broadcasts.
Ivy
>Broadcast message in 'titleist':
>
>What county do you live in Doug? Perhaps you need a subgroup of the
>Vermont group consisting of those who have a consistent record of
>submitting moves on time -- the Xxxxxx County group.
> >Message from masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master to England in 'titleist':
> >
> >One more friendly reminder to submit moves tonight. etc.
Message from Master to England
usin@thekleimans.com said:
>What county do you live in Doug? Perhaps you need a subgroup of the
>Vermont group consisting of those who have a consistent record of
>submitting moves on time -- the Xxxxxx County group.
:-)
I don't even think about who's playing the power or how consistent
he's been about submitting orders. If I remember to do it, I just
see who hasn't submitted orders on the day that they're due and
respond with a friendly reminder. Cut and paste, cut and paste,
change the initials in the "press to x", send.
As it's a "Quiet" game, I have no idea who's missed deadlines and
who hasn't (I can only find out by checking the orders after someone
has missed a deadline, but before they get their orders in).
And besides, I reserve the right to annoy my players with "please
submit your orders" messages. ;-) ;-) ;-)
Doug
Message from France to England
Ivy
>As you would say, "I will seriously consider it." 8-)
Touche! :-)
OK. I am willing to discuss Ruhr in the fall.
I just did not want to make a promise that I would
be forced to back out of. I truly expect that I will
be able to meet your need and build only 1 unit.
Note that I may take 2 centers, but build only 1
unit. I would say it is 95% certain that I will
build only 1. It is 50-50 on whether I might feel
that I need to take two centers. It depends on
what happens. I hope that this makes you
feel more at ease. I should have been more
clear but have been so busy.
--Prince Boar
England: Fleet Belgium → English Channel (*bounce*)
England: Army Denmark HOLD
England: Army Edinburgh → North Sea → Belgium (*bounce*)
England: Army Holland → Ruhr (*bounce*)
England: Army London HOLD
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Edinburgh → Belgium
England: Fleet Norway HOLD
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → North Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Adriatic Sea SUPPORT Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
France: Fleet Brest → English Channel (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Ruhr
France: Fleet Ionian Sea → Aegean Sea
France: Army Marseilles → Burgundy
France: Army Munich SUPPORT Army Burgundy → Ruhr
France: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
France: Army Piedmont → Venice
France: Fleet Rome → Tyrrhenian Sea
Italy: Fleet Aegean Sea → Eastern Mediterranean
Italy: Army Budapest → Rumania (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Budapest → Rumania
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Syria
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Italy: Army Rumania → Ukraine (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Budapest → Rumania
Italy: Army Vienna → Galicia
Russia: Army Berlin → Kiel
Russia: Fleet Kiel → Helgoland Bight
Russia: Army Warsaw → Moscow (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Ankara SUPPORT Fleet Smyrna
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Constantinople
Turkey: Army Constantinople HOLD
Turkey: Army Moscow → Ukraine (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna SUPPORT French Fleet Ionian Sea → Aegean Sea
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