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Message from Russia to England
Allen,
>I got the impression that he was previously content
>with a 4-way, but that you were the one who was
>determined to eliminate Italy first.
Xavier and I have both tended to emphasize our
anti-Italian feelings in our letters to each other.
Was his last letter an honest statement of his
feelings, or an attempt to stir up conflict in
EIR? *shrug* I don't know.
>I thought that Italy's last turn -- a first-rate piece of Diplomacy playing
>in my opinion -- might have redeemed him in your eyes a little.
Yes, he finally came around, no doubt due to your
efforts, which I do appreciate. I'm not saying
that I won't set draw while Italy is on the board,
indeed, I'm willing to discuss the possibility
with Roger, but I don't think this is the time to
do it, given Roger's family situation. (Cripes,
breaking gunboat in mid-game is confusing. 8-)
Eric.
Message from Italy to England
> I notice, though, that he waited until early this morning
> before submitting moves. He must have been really wavering.
>
He might have been wavering but I think somebody had their error flag set.
Listings of the game before I left work two hours before the deadline had
everybody with orders in but just with a wait set.
>
> France also sent a private message to Russia and me saying
> that he would accept a 3-way. Given the wording, I think
> he might accept a 4-way if Nick would. I'll see what I can do.
>
Like I said previously, I have very little doubt that I will eventually be
eliminated. I expect Russia to turn against me immediately. If indeed that
comes to pass, perhaps you can suggest a 2-way with France. I would work to
support that outcome if it looks like I would be eliminated anyway.
Thanks again for your efforts.
Roberto
Message from England to Russia
>I'm willing to discuss the possibility
>with Roger, but I don't think this is the time to
>do it, given Roger's family situation.
That's best. I agree.
> (Cripes,
>breaking gunboat in mid-game is confusing. 8-)
>
>Eric.
Pseudonyms are very helpful. I will always be a little irritated with
Nick, but I am certain to like Eric. 8-)
Ivy/Allen
Message from England to England
Chap,
This may be the most important letter of the game from me, because I hope
it helps confirm what I have been wishing for and even assuming for a long
time, that you and I will be together from beginning to the end.
I've postponed writing this, because I have been very busy at work (my job
has seasonal spurts) and I have ben spending time with my wife with
Christmas shopping and preparations. I wanted to write when I knew I would
be undisturbed for 15 minutes or so.
You remarked how easy the game has been so far. For me, and I think for
you, it has not only been tactically easy, but it has been diplomatically
easy. Not any longer. Since the last move I have received letters from
you and Austria and Turkey with reasonable requests that conflict severely.
I have no choice but to make someone unhappy, and that person will be
Turkey. Turkey asks me to support him into Naples, a perfectly reasonable
request if he and I are to work together. After all, I have more units
than he does, and this would move us toward equality. Thus, your early
suggestion, "Heck, I just noticed that if you can get Turkey to support
Tys-Nap ... " won't fly. It would make no sense to Turkey for him to help
me gain even greater superiority over him.
Could I tell Turkey that I was supporting him into Naples, which he is
requesting, so that Naples is cut and use that to my advantage in order to
take Rome? This is done lots of time in Diplomacy, but it is not my
style. That kind of duplicity for the gain of one supply center would make
Turkey forever upset with me. While I do expect him to be my enemy to the
end of the game, I try to have my enemies respect me (e.g.
Italy). Diplomacy sometimes takes, strange, unexpected twists, and it is
helpful to remain on good terms with as many powers as possible.
So I will somehow have to tell him that I am not supporting him to Naples.
What about Austria? He requests support for both Munich and Trieste. It's
payback time for the help he has given me. Fortunately, he is not the
demanding sort, so I may be able to get by with supporting just one of
those places. I do like Austria, and he has been helpful. That does not
change the fact that I will want to take Munich soon, probably next year,
and Austria knows that.
>I wanted to write you a quick note again this morning. In thinking about
>what I wrote last night, I was afraid that I came off as too demanding or
>something.
No, you were not too demanding. To the contrary, I have been worried that
you were beginning to doubt my loyalty, because I have not written enough
since the last move.
>Here's what I intended to say. You proposed me not taking
>Berlin this year, and gave some reasons not to, which were valid. In my
>letter to you yesterday, I gave some reasons why maybe I should take
>Berlin this year. Both of us have valid points.
I agree.
>I'm not sure if I came out and said it yesterday, or if it was left
>unsaid, but I will stand by whatever you decide.
Let's reach a decision jointly. I still have not determined moves that are
best for me. Your original suggesting of taking Rome from Venice is making
more sense when I consider that Turkey and I should be at war next
year. That way I have more pressure on Naples. If we go with that, then I
am definitely going to build just one new army.
> Ensuring that you are happy and committed to the EF as I am is much much
> more important to me
>than a crappy little SC that isn't goign anywhere.
Yeah. Berlin is going nowhere. But taking Moscow and putting an army in
StP are killer moves.
I better get back to work. You may hear from me again today, but not
tomorrow. Tomorrow is a major birthday for my father, and my sister and
her husband will be in town. It will be a very busy day for me.
John
Message from England to England
>Message sent to England:
>
>Message from England to England in 'titleist':
>
>Chap,
>
>This may be the most important letter of the game from me, ...
Why, England, it is so nice to hear from you. Do you talk to yourself
often? You must be very distracted and you should stop doing this. Is the
strain too great? Can't you take it anymore? You need a rest.
Your very, very, very, close friend,
England
Message from Russia to England
>Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
>Pseudonyms are very helpful. I will always be a
>little irritated with Nick, but I am certain to like Eric. 8-)
*chuckle* Yes, in addition to my CompSci Major,
I also had a Minor in Theatre, so there tends to
be a roleplaying aspect to my Diplomacy and my
autocratic rulers tend to be a bit abrasive. 8-)
Or maybe that's just me... ;^}
(Now, I just have to avoid signing this
"Hans-Peter" ;^} )
Nick.
Message from France to Master, England, Italy, and Russia
Any mail that you might have sent me since my last
message got lost. I messed up changing my address. It
seems that I cannot spell my own name. One of many
mistakes.
On the rare chance there was some mail, please resend it
if you think me worthy.
France
Message from France to England and Russia
My orders for this year as as follows:
f mao hold
f wes s f mao
f spa s f mao
f bre s a pic
a pic s a bur
a par s a bur
a mar s a bur
a bur s a ruh -> mun
a try s a ber -> mun
(you can pick which one you prefer, there is no need to
tell me as this gives you a choice)
a ven s a tyr
f aeg -> bul (sc)
f con s f aeg -> bul (sc)
a ser s f aeg -> bul (sc)
Enjoy!
--King Roger
Message from France to Master, England, Italy, and Russia
I will be able to get spring orders in before I leave.
If all goes well, I can send in some fall orders too - as
long as there is no discussion required for me. I will
try my best to keep the game moving and minimize the
delay.
Message from France to all
This is the King of France.
Due to incompetence and too many failures to mention, my
sons are relived of their duty to France. I was enjoying
a semi-retirement under the guise of a long illness, but
it is time to return to the throne. The Dauphine shall
return to pushing around little wooden soldiers and
Prince Boar shall return to his studies on philosophy.
With these things they can do little damage. From this
point on my daughter, Josephine, will be the sole heir of
France. However, that time has not come and I shall deal
with all matters diplomatically and militarily.
King Roger XIII
Message from France to England and Russia
Eric & Allen:
First,
>Do you want to call it a four-way at this point?
Nope! Italy must be eliminated.
I gave him the option of choosing between a F solo and a
EFR draw. He has chosen. It is my duty to make sure he
gets what he wants. I may not succeed, but I will die
trying.
>Might I ask what you do for a living?
Sure!
I am a Coating Development Engineer at Kodak.
My work ranges from mixing chemicals in a bucket in the
lab, to pilot coatings, to crawling around inside
industrial dryers trying to understand air flow. I also
get to do project leadership, patents, and occasionally
they let me change a hazardous waste barrel. My
experiments consist of coating films onto support and
worrying about the quality of the resulting product. I
do not work on films for your camera, other kinds. We
can chat more after Xmas. I would like to know more
about what you program. Computer languages has always
been a kind of hobby of mine, but I am a hack at it.
Roger
Message from France to England, Italy, and Russia
My spring moves are in without wait.
Best of luck,
King Roger XIII
Message from England to France
Roger,
>On the rare chance there was some mail, please resend it if you think me
>worthy.
Don't be so hard on yourself. You were the only person in titleist to get
close to victory. Roberto even had entered the moves to assist you, when
he changed his mind, reasoning that it was better to be seen trying to
prevent a solo than aiding it. He gets high marks in my book for what he did.
>a bur s a ruh -> mun
>a try s a ber -> mun
It's not that simple. I vowed to support Roberto in Munich if he did the
"right thing." I dare say that an objective outsider with access to all
the press would have high praise for what Roberto has done the past few
years. I wish the same could be said for someone else.
As of this moment I am not particularly happy with a EFR ending. Perhaps
minds may change after a holiday break. I think I still worry about a solo
on your part, because I do not trust Russia to be objective. He so hates
Italy that I think he misjudges the possible consequences of removing Italy
when you have as many centers as you do. If you wish to tempt me, I would
rather see you retreat from the southeast and give up a few centers.
Please understand that I do appreciate the offer of Munich.
I would have written earlier, but it remains insane around here. Final
exams, grading, plus an obligation to review over 200 dossiers of
applicants for a tenure-track job.
Sorry to be so brief.
Allen/Ivy
p.s. 13+13+14 > 34.
Message from France to England and Russia
>p.s. 13+13+14 > 34.
Ooops, I wrote in too much haste.
11+11+12 works :-)
Just so you know I will not vote for the 4-way draw. You
will have to eliminate me if you are not happy with EFR.
And any thoughts that I could somehow solo from my
current position is ludicrous. I have 3 units in the
east. How are they possibly going to take and hold 5
more centers? Even if there was a prayer of my working
with Italy again, we could not manage to get me 18
centers.
I need 10 units just to hold on to France, Italy, Iberia,
and Tunis. That is 10 units for only 9 centers. Keep
that problem in mind as you ask for sacrifices.
I am willing to modify my eastern units if Nick has
special requests. I will not, however, risk letting
those Italian fleets out into the Mediterranean.
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to England and Russia
One last important detail.
You will notice that I have no open home supply centers.
That means that I am not likely to ever have more than 13
units on the board.
--King Roger XIII
Message from England to Italy
Roberto.
I wrote,
>France also sent a private message to Russia and me saying that he would
>accept a 3-way. Given the wording, I think he might accept a 4-way if Nick
>would. I'll see what I can do.
Wow, I got an earful. This is definitely not the time to lobby France for
any sympathy for you. Did he have any bone to pick with you before this
last move?
Ivy
Message from England to France and Russia
Roger
>Just so you know I will not vote for the 4-way draw. You
>will have to eliminate me if you are not happy with EFR.
That's clear enough language for me.
I haven't the remotest interest in eliminating you. I'm a bit weary, and
the thought of having my troops home for Christmas was very tempting.
Ivy/Allen
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
I suspect that France is under-estimating his ability
to influence events, but I thought I'd check in with
you and see what direction you felt we should take
from here. If we're feeling ambitious, an ER two-way
is not out of the question, while an EFR 3-way should
be easy to achieve. If we take a couple of France's
Mediterranean Centers, while leaving Italy even,
France's disbands would determine the course of the
endgame, and I'd rather avoid that, if possible.
Please let me know your thoughts, when you get the
chance.
Thanks,
Nick.
Message from Russia to all
Wow, it just occurred to me that 1912 has ended!
That means it's time for EoYs, Philosophy Debates,
Pravda Reports, etc. It's been a rollercoaster
year, and I encourage everyone to comment on it.
Eric/Nick/Russia.
Message from Italy to England
>
> Did he have any bone to pick with you before this last move?
>
Perhaps in the spring I did a few moves unexpected but nothing that should
have caused too much alarm. He fully warned me of the consequences of me
not falling thru with our plan. Kinda like 'game over, period' but in a
much kinder, gentler way. Before that, what possible bone could he have
since I basically allowed him to grow from 5 to 14 without opposition.
If I want any part of a draw, we probably have to get my army out of Munich
and into Holland ASAP. I will leave it up to you if you want to work toward
that goal.
Personally, I think France still has legitimate solo opportunities as
ANK,BUL,TRI are all possible targets especially as I lose BUD/RUM to the RF
forces. Of course, Nick probably thinks differently.
I would be very careful about negotiating with Nick right now. He's going
to be so chummy with France it'll be pathetic. It would be fair to say,
anything you tell Nick privately would be used against you in his alliance
with France to eliminate me.
I think an exchange of RUM/SEV for HOL/KIE is fair but I rather doubt Nick
would see it the same way. Can we do it without his cooperation?
Roberto
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>I suspect that France is under-estimating his ability
>to influence events, but I thought I'd check in with
>you and see what direction you felt we should take
>from here.
I thought there was a good chance to end this immediately, but now I see
that it is not going to happen and titleist is going to drift into the new
year. I never thought of myself as a drawmonger -- with one notable
exception -- but once it became clear this morning that the three of us had
stopped France, it was hard for me to switch back to an aggressive mode. I
felt/feel that my goal had been achieved.
Where do we go from here? There is nothing I can do if you and France want
to eliminate Italy's holdings from the southeast. I might protect Munich
for a while, but at some point an Italy/England alliance would be reduced
to my seven units plus Munich. By that time I would really be in your's
and France's doghouse.
I am going to propose jointly to you and France that, if Italy must be
attacked, France should help you into Italian centers, but not grow
himself. Why does he have to have more than 13 if he wants an even ending,
something like 12-11-11? I assume that you and I could stay relatively
even if I got something in the northeast as you took Italian sites.
I feel a little sorry for France. I think he had the game won had Italy
assisted him as planned this past move. I just don't think he needs to
grow any more if he really wants to treat us as equals.
Ivy/Allen
Message from England to France and Russia
King Roger & Nick,
I feel a little guilty diploming when it may not be easy for everyone to
ponder and respond, however I can't rush this next move. We are faced with
new circumstances. Besides, the deadline is still a ways off.
My suggestion of a 4-way draw was genuine. Thoughts of personal glory
vanished long ago, and I felt this morning that my only reasonable goal --
participating in a coalition to stop a solo -- had been achieved. Thus, I
was prepared to end it.
I know that I cannot save Italy in spite of a certain fondness for him. If
he is attacked in the southeast what can my puny seven units do?
Here is a proposal that seems wholly consistent with a relatively even FER
ending. Can you, Roger, be content to stay at 13 units? You could assist
Russia into southeastern centers, even as Nick occupies others on his own.
I could be compensated occasionally with space up my way. This would head
us toward something like 13-11-10 at which time we could discuss final
arrangements. I have been on the diplomatic defensive for so long that I
would feel better if Roger did not try to grow again. Certainly there is
no tactical need for growth if a 3-way is the goal.
As far as Munich goes, I prefer to wait a year or so to see how these
things are going.
Most cordially,
Ivy/Allen
p.s. Saturday is abig day for me; it is our annual Christmas bird count.
That plus a major birthday for my father and my sister coming to town.
Message from England to Master
Doug,
My EOY for 1912
********
English EOY for 1912.
"They are diplomats by day and serpents by night."
Ho hum. 1912. Did anything happen?
Recall that the England/Russia/Italy coalition to stop France fell apart
last fall when Russia teamed with France to assault Italy.
This spring France, in turn, pushed forward toward the solo by deceiving
Russia. Russia apologized to Italy and me for trusting France. Italy
didn't care much for the apology and went ahead with plans to assist France
with the victory. Italy knew he was doomed, so this would be his revenge
on Russia.
Apparently Italy even entered the French-friendly moves this fall in
accordance with plans laid out between France and himself.
In conversation with Italy, I sensed that Italy was having qualms about his
upcoming action. I suggested that it was nobler to be seen trying to stop
a solo than to be seen assisting a solo.
Italy came forth with a huge suggestion. If Russia could be induced to
cooperate, we could take advantage of France's known moves. I mediated
between Russia and Italy, who were barely on speaking terms. Italy changed
his moves.
It worked. Instead of gaining 3 or 4 centers and a sure victory, two of
France's armies were destroyed. The northwestern frontier was finally
locked up with allied armies in Belgium/Ruhr/Munich. France's remaining
units in the southeast are now too weak to do much against Russia/Italy.
I'm thinking we have a 4-way draw. Nope. Not so. Russia previously
refused to set draw a year or so ago. Not as long as Italy was alive.
Now, France too wants no part of a draw with Italy.
Stay tuned.
Allen
Message from France to England and Russia
Nick&Ivy:
I have no desire or need to grow. I can't build anyway. My units are
all forced to hold.
My goals are to reduce Italian center count and to prevent his fleets
from getting out into the Mediterranean. I am willing to make whatever
moves Nick wishes in order to accomplish that. The problem of course is
that he may not trust me enough to accomplish it quickly. That is why I
announced my moves. However, if there is a different desired set of
moves, I am open to them. I am also happy with no cooperation between
Nick and I in the spring and then he can assess the situation in the
fall.
In fact he has not written me about the topic. I assume that either
this means that he has no interested in actively working with me and/or
he does not want word to get back to Italy that he is trying to
eliminate him. I am comfortable with this and this is why I announced
my moves.
I am available for discussion through Sunday early evening. I will be
busy trying to wrap things up that I thought I would have much more time
to do, as well as get ready for travel. But I can squeeze in a few
minute here and there for you guys.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Russia to all
Well, that was interesting, I just got several past seasons worth of
press...
Message from Italy to England
>
> I just read over yesterday's messages, and I am worried that my response
> to you was overly flippant -- Butch Cassidy, the Lone Ranger and all of
> that. Sorry, I know that you were serious. It's just that in my own
> mind the game is over, and it is difficult for me to believe that
> anything you or I do matters. I suppose there is always that small
> chance. Russia, certainly, has a much different attitude.
>
When did you send this? and the other message referring to butch and lone?
I think they were sent prior to the spring results but I'm not sure. I'm
just now receiving several messages from you and France that appear to be
more relevant to 1911 than 1912. Just trying to clear up some confusion on
my end.
Message from England to France, Italy, and Russia
Roberto, Nick, King Roger
This has been strange. I have been getting old titleist messages, some
over one month old. I am not even sure that I have even seen some of the
old messages before. Is it possible that they were missing all this time?
Furthermore, I have typed a few messages this weekend only to have USIN
confirmation delayed for over 24 hours.
So I am not sure what is being transmitted successfully and when.
I will let this message be a test. If I get an immediate confirmation from
USIN, then I will send out other messages.
Ivy/Allen
Message from England to France and Russia
Nick, King Roger,
>I have no desire or need to grow. I can't build anyway. My units are
>all forced to hold.
That's quite agreeable to me. I don't object if you stay at 13 for quite
some time. I'll only be nervous if you attempt to grow again.
>My goals are to reduce Italian center count and to prevent his fleets
>from getting out into the Mediterranean. I am willing to make whatever
>moves Nick wishes in order to accomplish that.
I have no tactical influence in the southeast and will defer to Nick down
there.
This move should be a calm one for me. Unless something unusual occurs in
the correspondence, I expect to sit around defensively and watch events. I
don't want Munich now and will uphold a promise to defend it.
Ivy/Allen
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
I am not sure where things stand right now, although I can guess.
If there is to be an assault on Italy, I think I have made my position
clear. The gains should be yours and, while France may assist, I think he
should not attempt to grow past his present 13 units. France deceived you
in the spring and attempted to finish the game in the fall with Italian
help. We should never forget, had his fall moves succeeded as planned, the
game would be over. Roger gets my respect, but not my trust, especially if
he tries to grow again. Thus, I am not happy about his attack on Bulgaria
as announced in his intended moves.
I will send a message to both you and Italy with some very brief comments
on the need to be wary. This will include the suggestion that you move to
Sevastopol and head for Armenia. Whether this is a move to defend against
France or a move to take territory from Italy, or both, is in your hands.
Remember, if you grow, I wish to grow in tandem. That's easily done.
Most cordially,
Allen/Ivy
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
> > I just read over yesterday's messages, and I am worried that my response
> > to you was overly flippant -- Butch Cassidy, the Lone Ranger and all of
> > that. Sorry, I know that you were serious. ...
>When did you send this? and the other message referring to butch and lone?
Several turns ago. It seems that some messages never got through. It's
fortunate that nothing horrible happened as a result of this.
I think that USIN is straightened out now.
You asked about getting to Holland for safety. That's OK, but I don't
think that there is any tactical way of gaining your survival. If France
and Russia get together, they easily take everything except Munich
(Holland) from you. If that happens, then I with my puny seven units am
probably doomed as well. Diplomacy may succeed where tactics is weak. I
am somewhat doubtful that Russia retains his fondness for France after
Roger deceived Nick in the spring and went for total victory in the
fall. Those actions negated years of promises.
This turn, at least, I think I will just support Munich in place. I want
to see what France will do with his units and determine just where Russia
stands. I have turned down an offer from France for him to support me into
Munich.
I need to send a joint message to you and Nick now. It will stress the
need for continued vigilance. If France remains aggressive and continues
to attack you, then I believe that is actually to your benefit. Russia is
much more likely to remain on our side. Last year in urging Russia to
cooperate, I begged him not to take Sevastopol. That was the hard part of
our joint cooperation. Explicit in the exchange was the notion that
Moscow->Sevastopol->Armenia would be acceptable this year, because it would
not result in the loss of Sevastopol to Russia. I know it may no longer be
necessary, but I am going to suggest it in the joint message. I think it
is 100% certain that it is going to happen anyway.
I have not heard from Russia at all in several days -- just that short
broadcast about the old messages.
Ivy/Allen
Message from England to Italy and Russia
Roberto, Nick,
Is the danger over? Probably, but I want to see just what France does
now. He may be passive, even resigned, after his failure of last year. He
deceived Nick in the spring and went for victory in the fall. Nice try,
but no cigar. I don't want to see him get another chance.
I have not received any messages from either of you concerning joint
tactics. Should I be proposing something? Cautiously I will suggest that
it is time for the long debated Moscow->Sevastopol->Armenia. That plus
BlackSea->Ankara should forever keep Ankara out of French hands. Budapest
supp Trieste seems obvious as well. Beyond that I have not given the
matter serious thought. Yesterday I was fully occupied with the National
Audubon Society Christmas Bird Count plus my father's birthday.
I have a little time today and will have considerable time tomorrow.
Ivy/Allen
Message from Russia to England, France, and Italy
Sorry for my silence. I'll try to think about S1913M this evening.
Nick.
Message from France to England and Russia
With this message my moves have changed to the following:
a ser -> rum
a tyr s a gal -> vie
a bur s a ber -> mun
This may help Nick take Sevastopol. Nick need not order Gal to Vie and
he can honestly claim that he did not request the support. I will of
course confirm that to Italy, if asked. Also, ditto for Ber -> mun.
Ivy, I was told that USIN was rebooted and there was a chance of getting
old mail.
Off to see the Ugly Duckling with my kids, then to finish some last
minute shopping before to horrible week begins.
--King Roger XIII
Message from England to Turkey
Turkey,
Sorry for the long silence, but I have treated everyone
equally! In the interim only Austria has written to me, so perhaps we were
all resting a little -- or shopping.
This turn I am going to put on the brakes and tread cautiously. I
will only be taking the one Italian center this year and not attempt more;
there are no moves that guarantee two anyway. I wrote a long, long, letter
to England with the specific purpose of trying to get him to show some
restraint. I told him, in the sweetest language I could muster, that I
didn't want him to get farther ahead of me.
I am not going to attempt to put the MAO fleet into the Med; two
still suffices. Also (much hand wringing here), I prefer not to support
you into Naples this turn. Quite frankly, I am postponing major
decisions. I have been led to believe that supporting you will likely
lead to quick war with England.
>Its a bit too soon to be crying "early leader," but given the complete
>lack or resistance he's had in Russia, I'm getting pretty concerned.
Yes, me too. I wish help were available, but I fear that Russia is
incapable of putting up resistance, and England could easily parry anything
I did. This may be one of those situations where the rest of the world
will be forced to unite only when he gets to 14 or 15 or 16. It's not a
crisis yet, but ...
> If he is not strong enough to hold out against England I am going to
> have to help him man his borders.
He is not strong enough. From Moscow, England will pressure Sevastopol and
Warsaw.
Sigh.
John
Message from England to Turkey
Sorry, Jeff, that was meant for a different game.
Allen
Message from France to England and Russia
I was wondering if you would induldge my curiosity and answer 3 quick
questions.
1) I assume that Italy told you my moves, yes?
2) Before you knew them, what were your moves going to be. I am
wondering how I was going to do. Namely were you ordering Sil -> Mun or
Ruh to Mun? Also was was Galicia going to do?
3) Was Rum -> Sev to bounce Russia negotiated and agreed upon? I wanted
to order Rum to Bud, but Italy was pretty insistent on Rum -> Sev.
Either would have been fine for Bul -> Rum s by Ukr.
Thanks.
--King Roger XIII
Message from England to France
Roger,
>1) I assume that Italy told you my moves, yes?
Not exactly. At first he didn't even tell me his moves. Not the ones he
entered to help you, nor the ones he could use to counter your
moves. Eventually he told me, but not Russia, the moves he actually
made. I could deduce some of your moves only by knowing Italy's moves.
>2) Before you knew them, what were your moves going to be. I am
>wondering how I was going to do. Namely were you ordering Sil -> Mun or
>Ruh to Mun?
I wanted Silesia->Munich all along, but at first I didn't know if Italy
would do it. I was willing to risk the Channel in order to destroy your
army in Munich.
> Also was was Galicia going to do?
I have no idea.
>3) Was Rum -> Sev to bounce Russia negotiated and agreed upon?
At first Italy insisted that Russia bounce himself in Sevastopol. Later,
Italy agreed that Russia only needed to send one unit to Sevastopol. I was
not aware that Italy encouraged you to try for Sevastopol. I assumed that
was your idea.
The details were pretty much Italy's show, although I like to think that
the decision to try to stop you was influenced by me and Russia.
Ivy/Allen
Message from France to England and Russia
Ivy & Nick:
Thanks for responding.
>Namely were you ordering Sil -> Mun or
>Ruh to Mun?
Sorry, I meant Ber -> Mun. If you choose Ber -> Mun you could have
prevented my victory (if Italy had done his part. Any other moves and I
would have won. I was just curious. I am in a terrible rush these days
and mistype or misthink in this case :-)
I am not likely to respond to any press before tonights deadline. So
you will have to take advantage of my announced moves as best you can.
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to Master, England, Italy, and Russia
Doug:
I should be able to handle any retreats from this phase. After that,
please advance the deadline to Dec. 26 or later if required by other
players.
--Roger
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
I hope to hear *something* from you. Please say something.
Ivy
*******************
Eric,
We have two new, young faculty members in the mathematics department and a
husband of a third, all of whom have played Diplomacy. We plan a
face-to-face game sometime around the second weekend of January. We have
six players, with two others being courted. Should a seventh fall through,
by any chance might you be interested in coming up to Lewisburg?
Allen
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
I have received no word whatsoever from Nick, and that is worrisome. If
you can afford Munich supp Berlin, I would appreciate it.
Ivy/Allen
Message from Italy to England
>
> I have received no word whatsoever from Nick, and that is
> worrisome. If
> you can afford Munich supp Berlin, I would appreciate it.
>
Nor have I. I still prefer Mun-Kie if you want to reconsider. Nick can ill
afford an English disband at this point so retreating to Denmark or any
other dangerous spot could be negotiated away.
Roberto
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I have been doing some thinking and I decided that I do not need to be a
jerk out of principal. You beat me, I can take my loss like a man. I
am setting draw with this message.
I am writing to you because I did not want an announcement to turn into
a circus of whom is trying to make whom look like they did not set
draw. You can either ask them each to set draw just on a whim, talk to
them about it, or pass on my announcement. You obviously have a good
relationship with each of them and should know the best way to address
it. You might want to use the "on a whim" with Roberto and talk things
through with Nick. Who knows you two may want to eliminate Italy or
eliminate me.
--King Roger XIII
Message from England to France
>You beat me,
I don't feel that way at all. I just feel like I survived. So far.
> I am setting draw with this message.
The best that I can do is to set draw as well and announce it.
The truth is I have heard nothing of substance from Nick since the last
turn. I really doubt that I have much influence over him. He an impulsive
renegade at heart.
> or pass on my announcement.
OK.
>You obviously have a good relationship with each of them
I have a decent relationship with Roberto that has grown over the past few
weeks.
Nick continues to baffle me. I haven't the slightest idea of what he is
going to do this turn. Perhaps I will be asking for your help after this
turn. 8-)
Ivy/Allen
Message from England to Italy
> Nick can ill afford an English disband at this point so retreating to
>Denmark or any other dangerous spot could be negotiated away.
In my honest opinion, Nick is an erratic judge of what he can and cannot
afford to do. I am sitting here worried about StP->Norway and an attack on
Berlin. Given what I have seen Nick do in recent years, I see no reason
why he might not do something like that.
He has not written me. What does that mean? If I don't hear from him I am
moving Nao-Nwg as a precaution.
********
France now tells me that once again he is ready to throw in the towel. He
is setting draw and leaves it to me whether I should try to get you and
Russia to join in. Sure, why not. I am setting draw and will say so in a
message to you and Nick.
Allen/Ivy
Message from England to Italy and Russia
Friends,
France has privately said that he is setting draw. He leaves it to me to
decide if I want to encourage others to do the same.
So I too set draw.
Your choice.
Ivy/Allen
Message from Italy to England
Draw set; no orders entered.
Roberto
Message from Italy to England and Russia
>
> So I too set draw.
>
> Your choice.
>
Draw set; no orders entered.
Roberto
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
I don't know what happened to you but I must enter moves, and I am going to
make a couple of harmless defensive moves.
I still invite set draw. supposedly three of us have done that.
Ivy/Allen
Message from France to England
Ivy/Allen:
> >You beat me,
>
> I don't feel that way at all. I just feel like I
>survived. So far.
do not be modest. It is well known that you
orchestrated the peace that prevented my victory. I
would admire it if I was not so darn ticked off ;-)
Afterall, my one and only Dip Pouch article was about
doing essentially what you did.
> The truth is I have heard nothing of substance from
> Nick since the last turn
Me neither. Maybe he and Roberto are cooking up
something evil for us. Then again, they are probably
the two later powers.
> Nick continues to baffle me. I haven't the slightest
>idea of what he is
> going to do this turn. Perhaps I will be asking for
>your help after this
> turn. 8-)
It is too bad that we have no possibility of a
reasonable stalemate line.
Ah they announcing the end of the coating trial. I best
go wait for the sample. 3.5 hours down, 18 to go!
Maybe I will get 3-4 hours of sleep before the 13 hours
drive.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Russia to all
Sorry that I'm late, and sorry for my silence; I've been sick. I'm going to
try
to make it to work today, and will hopefully get my moves in by lunch-time.
Eric.
Message from Russia to England and Italy
Gentlemen,
>Message from England to Italy and Russia in 'titleist':
>France has privately said that he is setting draw. He leaves it to me to
>decide if I want to encourage
>others to do the same. So I too set draw.
It seems odd that he would tell me that he will not
set draw until Italy is eliminated, and then tells
you that he has set draw. I'm forced to conclude
that he is hoping to sow mistrust between us. I
suggest that we move forward, and take his Austro/
Balkan/Turkish Centers, and give him the opportunity
to propose a draw to all of us. I will move in
accordance with this goal.
Nick.
Message from England to all
"I'm going to try to make it to work today." -- Eric
"Work. Where one can play Diplomacy undisturbed." -- Webster's New
Collegiate Dictionary, 10th ed.
Message from England to France
King Roger,
> >Namely were you ordering Sil -> Mun or
> >Ruh to Mun?
>Sorry, I meant Ber -> Mun. If you choose Ber -> Mun you could have
>prevented my victory
Had Italy not changed his mind, I would have ordered
Berlin->Munich. Perhaps then you would have had only 17? But wouldn't you
have won easily the next year, especially since Italy would, once again, be
helping?
*********************
I just got an e-mail from Nick that was sent to Italy and me. He is not
setting draw. Instead he claims to want to take your southeastern centers
from you. Then perhaps France (you) will suggest a draw in public, instead
of doing so privately to me. He proposes no moves for Italy or me. Who
knows what he is doing, or even if there is much thought behind it?
Allen/Ivy
Message from Russia to all
>Broadcast message from England in 'titleist':
> > "I'm going to try to make it to work today." -- Eric
>"Work. Where one can play Diplomacy undisturbed." -- Webster's New
>Collegiate Dictionary, 10th ed.
*ROFL* Well, it is true that at work there is only
one person using my PC, while at home there are three.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
> I'm forced to conclude
>that he is hoping to sow mistrust between us.
You can easily determine whether this is true or not. Just set draw
yourself and see what happens.
>I suggest that we move forward, and take his Austro/
>Balkan/Turkish Centers, ... I will move in
>accordance with this goal.
I am sorry you were/are ill, but you have created a concern. Italy and I
have no suggested moves to work with, nor has there been any reply to my
strong hint that you and I need to stay relatively equal in strength if
your plan is anti-Italy instead of anti-France. In fact, I have not heard
from you privately what you intent is. Last night I entered moves that
included two defensive moves that can cause you no harm whatsoever.
Ivy/Allen
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> > I'm forced to conclude
> >that he is hoping to sow mistrust between us.
>You can easily determine whether this is true or not. Just set draw
>yourself and see what happens.
Yes, that would answer the question for me, but Italy
still does not believe that I set draw last time, how
would I convince him of it now? Also, I see no reason
to concede the tournament to Roger at this point, in
the unlikely event he is sincere. He took his chance,
and he failed. We can easily move to a 9-9-9-7 split
now, and then decide the game and the tournament from
there.
> >I suggest that we move forward, and take his Austro/
> >Balkan/Turkish Centers, ... I will move in
> >accordance with this goal.
>you and I need to stay relatively equal in strength if
>your plan is anti-Italy instead of anti-France.
I see no reason to attack Italy at this point. Once
France is forced to disband a Unit or two, we can
consider whittling the draw down.
>I have not heard from you privately what you intent is.
I'm sorry. It has been difficult for me to focus
on the screen for extended periods, and I have still
not fully absorbed the ramifications of F1912M.
Nick.
Message from Russia to England
Allen,
>We plan a face-to-face game sometime around the second weekend of January.
>We have six players,
>with two others being courted. Should a seventh
>fall through, by any chance might you be interested
>in coming up to Lewisburg?
I'd be interested, if I could find a bus up there.
I'm without a car, at the moment. 8-(
Eric.
Message from Master to England, France, Italy, and Russia
Please appraise me of any extension requests for the holidays. I'll
be gone from Dec 21 to Dec 25 and we already have one request to extend
until Dec 26 (after these moves, which are past due).
If there are any retreats that can be handled in short order, we'll
do that; so i expect we'll have the F1913M deadline on Dec 26 (or
later, as requested).
Doug
Message from England to Master, France, Italy, and Russia
>Please appraise me of any extension requests for the holidays.
Home for the holidays, I don't expect to make any requests.
Allen
England: Army Belgium HOLD
England: Army Berlin SUPPORT Italian Army Munich
England: Fleet English Channel SUPPORT Army Belgium
England: Fleet Irish Sea SUPPORT Fleet English Channel
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean → Norwegian Sea
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Army Belgium
England: Army Ruhr → Kiel
France: Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast)
France: Fleet Brest SUPPORT Army Picardy
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT English Army Berlin → Munich (*void*)
France: Fleet Constantinople SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea → Bulgaria (south coast)
France: Army Marseilles SUPPORT Army Burgundy
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean HOLD
France: Army Paris SUPPORT Army Burgundy
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT Army Burgundy
France: Army Serbia → Rumania
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Tyrolia SUPPORT Russian Army Galicia → Vienna (*void*)
France: Army Venice SUPPORT Army Tyrolia
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Italy: Fleet Black Sea → Ankara
Italy: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Budapest → Vienna
Italy: Army Budapest → Vienna
Italy: Army Munich SUPPORT English Army Berlin
Italy: Fleet Rumania → Black Sea
Russia: Army Galicia → Budapest
Russia: Fleet Kiel → Denmark
Russia: Army Moscow → Sevastopol
Russia: Army Prussia SUPPORT Army Warsaw → Silesia
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Norway
Russia: Army Trieste SUPPORT Italian Army Budapest → Vienna
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Army Moscow → Sevastopol
Russia: Army Warsaw → Silesia
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