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Message from Germany to Russia
Hi Eric,
Well I dont feel to bad about trying to save my own bacon. Your silence put
me in a spot of bother. I had to do some last minute negotiating. Good news
for you is that France didnt come through, only Italy did. No doubt he was
suprised to see the Austrian moves. I tried to mobilize AI in my defence.
One out of two wasnt to bad.
Although my time left is limited I am all open for some wheeling and
dealing.
Tony
Message from Germany to England and France
Well support to MUN would have given me a better feeling.
What are the plans for the fall?
Message from Germany to Austria and Turkey
Hi guys, still hard to figure out what is going on over there. That means
that I can feel free to give advice which may sound a load of bull. VIE -
BUD supported by TRI. BUL - RUM supported by SER. GAL - WAR and BLA - SEV.
Hahahahahaha..... or not? either way my time is limited. Those that are
about to die salute you.
Tony
Message from Germany to England, France, and Italy
Well I am guessing we were all surprised by Austria's moves. He seems to
have rolled over with his legs in the air.
I would like to thank Italy for supporting me into MUN. I am hoping the four
of us can work together in the fall.
I can only suggest the following. BUR support RUH - MUN, MUN - BER supported
by KIE, PIE - TYR.
I am assuming that PIE, BUR and KIE are free to help. I would expect Italy
to be worried about a supported attack on VEN. If he uses PIE to help
against Russia then he risks losing VEN. I will try a last ditched effort to
get AT to attack BUD & RUM.
Any other suggestions are more than welcome.
Tony
Message from Turkey to Austria and Germany
Thanks for the suggestions. Very aggressive, but certainly will hurt if
it works.
jason
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Well support to MUN would have given me a better feeling.
> What are the plans for the fall?
None yet - I should be able to look at it later today & evaluate your group
plan.
In the event of EFGI cooperation, Tony, whither France?
Ben
Message from Germany to England
Hi Ben,
> In the event of EFGI cooperation, Tony, whither France?>
Interesting theory, I wonder how many wither Germanys are flying around ;-)
I would obviosuly like to stay on two at least. HOL, BER, BEL, KIE are my
possibles.
We dont have much time before the deadline.
I havent heared anything from FIR as yet. Sad to say the least. I did make
some suggestions to AT. Turkey thought they were bold so who knows. To be
honest you would best be off looking north for the builds. I like the look
of
mun - ber, ruh - bel supported by nth, hel - hol, kie - den supported by
ska.
At worst I end up on three. You would remain on 5 for now and France remians
on 5. Then you and I set about FR next year. An interesting twist. I dont
see FI signing up for anything daring before the deadline alas.
Of course you could just think of good old england, take a shot at den and
sweden. May net you three.
All I can do is keep my fingers crossed.
Tony
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> We dont have much time before the deadline.
The deadline is tomorrow, so we have a day + a few hours.
> I havent heared anything from FIR as yet. Sad to say the least.
Something's up with Andy IRL, I'm guessing; it's not like him not to write.
> mun - ber, ruh - bel supported by nth, hel - hol, kie - den
> supported by ska.
Interesting. . . Let me look at this later & get back to you - I'm trying to wrap up at work.
[snip]
> All I can do is keep my fingers crossed.
& wheel & deal.
Let's stay in touch & compare notes about Italy, France, and Russia. If any of them write. . .
Ben
Message from Russia to Germany
Well, I was disappointed but not surprised by the moves. I thought I had
made it clear that I was going to defend in the Spring and help you
actively in the Fall, and that's why I wasn't too worried about negotiating
details. As you can see from my moves, I was planning to leave you plenty
of flexibility under our agreement -- you'd pick up Bel, and you'd be
assured that I wasn't going to try to take both Kie and Ber.
For Fall you can either continue to press me, or you can work with France
against England. I don't think you have enough units to do both. If we
assume England is coming after me full out, he can force Den. That's a
risky move for him because he could end up losing Kie, Hol and Bel if he
does that. I'm willing to just take back Mun (and not attack Ber at all) if
you are willing to take Kie from Mun. That puts us back on track. But I'm
getting the impression that leading the downfall of England is not
sufficient for you. Is that correct? If you really want to reestablish
yourself, I need to know so that we can negotiate on that basis. I'm not in
a position to fight you while England's pressing me, so I need to know
whether you are (or were) really willing to press west.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to England, France, and Germany
Im protecting my home and trying to figure out how to make some headway...
And for the love of god...please dont start fighting amoungst yourselves
again.
Message from France to Germany
The only reason I didn't support the effort to Mun was because I knew
Andy would (we discussed it) and felt I'd be better off ensuring that I
could retake Belgium. Frankly, I wasn't entirely confident in Ben's
departure.
Ben does seem willing to follow your suggested course of action, though.
Do you think we could get A Pie to hit Tyr?
Erik
Message from Germany to France
I understand and believe your reasoning. I was sure it had something to do
with you mistrusting Ben,
In fact Italy did press me just before the deadline stating that the two of
you had spoken.
Can I count on support for MUN?
Message from Germany to Italy
I am sure AI will hit Russia this year. I sent them a press on BUD/RUM and
the Turk sounded interesting. RUssia has assured me that he will be going
for MUN. The two add up. If you could hit TYR then please do.
I think ROM - VEN will be more than enough to safeguard it. If I am wrong
then GIA are exit anyway.
Good luck whatever you do.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> > mun - ber, ruh - bel supported by nth, hel - hol, kie - den
> > supported by ska.
> Interesting. . . Let me look at this later & get back to you - I'm
> trying to wrap up at work.
Ok, I finally got around to it. It looks like it would work, but I'm
reluctant to incite a French suicide - do you think it's necessary?
Ben
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
Ok, go ahead to BEL - please let me know if you're not interested in this
strategy anymore, as I'm pretty conflicted & I don't think it's any help to
you for me to start fighting Erik again. Russia will run you over like the
useless chump you'd be. . . ;-)
Ben
Message from Germany to England
I thought you wanted to go after Ben. I will get a 3 way / 4 way press
going.
Hold on the support to BEn, new plan coming up.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> I thought you wanted to go after Ben.
I am Ben.
> I will get a 3 way / 4 way press going.
> Hold on the support to BEn, new plan coming up.
With whom? This isn't something I'd planned on broadcasting. . .
Ben
Message from Germany to England
Hahahahahahaha 96 emails from 26 games. Sorry Ben. I meant you were talking
about withering out France.
I see my jibberish has improved.
Message from Germany to England, France, and Italy
If I understand correctly Italy wishes to take care of his own affairs, this
is fair enough and understandable.
I informed Italy that I had made a suggestion to AT and the Turk's fantasy
was tickled.
It may free up PIE to cut support from TYR but that is Andys call.
As for KIE/BER/MUN the Russian has stated he will go for MUN. Is he being
honest? your guess is as good as mine.
I am hoping that Ben would prefer a build from Russia than from me.
All I can hope and pray for is tender loving care from France/England &
Italy coupled with my loyal devotion to helping you in the future. My
prayers and suggestions are A RUH - MUN supported by BUR, PIE - TYR, MUN -
BEr, KIE - DEN supported by HEL, SKA - SWE, NTH - HOL, BEL - HOL. Its the
best I can come up with (for me that is ;)
Any other suggestions more than welcome. Maybe Russia will throw three units
at WAR but that leaves him open for attack in WAR/RUM. Those who may or may
not sie salute you.
Message from Germany to Russia
I guess there was a major communications blunder. I knew Bens moves
regarding KIE. Support from DEN for KIE whilst I attacked HOL supported by
KIE would have worked wonders. His fleet would have been destroyed.
This would have left me and you in a much better situation than now. I
obviously still wish to survive. At best I can hope for Berlin with at worst
a bounce. For all I know you and BEn may once again be friendly and he will
try for ENG.
I cant offer much nor think of much in the sense of moves. I could support
myself to DEN but Ben could retreat to BER. All I can come up with is MUN -
BER and RUH - KIE and hope for the best. Or maybe a push for HOL supported
by France. Let me know. I think the problem lay in that support for KIE from
DEN was never offered (nor asked for). I was awaiting some kind of bone or
scraps for the spring move. As it didnt come I came to the conclusion that
FR were gunning for me. Paranoia sucks.
tony
Message from Germany to England
What do you really want BEn? Let me know time is tunning out.
Message from Germany to Austria
You gonna lay down and die or will i see the AT attack on Russia
materialize?
Good luck
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
It's a close call. The only thing I *don't* want is me to support RUH - BEL, and for you not to order it. I do not want to be made a fool again.
I could go either way - if you will go RUH - BEL then I will support it. But if you won't, just tell me, and I'll go with your group plan (RUH - MUN, MUN - BER).
Ben
Message from Germany to England
Dont worry about me not communicating it. You couldnt beat Frances move to
PIE anyway. I still have the wet pants to prove it. Will you be vacating KIE
and taking DEN from there?
This ensures that I at least can offer resistance via land against Russia
and against France if you opt for that. If we dont hear from France before
the deadline or bed time then we could go for BEL. I will set wait. Will you
be available before the deadline and before I go to bed? Thats about another
4 hours from now.
Tony
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Dont worry about me not communicating it. You couldnt beat Frances move to
> PIE anyway. I still have the wet pants to prove it.
:-)
> Will you be vacating KIE
> and taking DEN from there?
I don't know yet.
> This ensures that I at least can offer resistance via land against Russia
> and against France if you opt for that. If we dont hear from France before
> the deadline or bed time then we could go for BEL. I will set wait. Will you
> be available before the deadline and before I go to bed? Thats about another
> 4 hours from now.
Um, which version did you set wait for? I will send compatible orders.
I'll let you know if I hear something.
Ben
Message from Russia to Germany
Good point. While I said I did not want Den moving, I didn't clarify that it
could have supported you. If I had been more on the ball, I could have I will
admit that I wasn't doing much in the way of diploming last season (nor this
season).
And I do understand you want to survive. I was never planning on taking
action to keep that from happening. It is the distinction of staying alive
vs. rebuilding at home that I was asking about.
I still think that you moving on Kie is the best bet -- I'm expecting that
Ben will move to Ber, and I can bounce him there, which keeps you at two (Ber
and Kie) and in position to take Hol next year. I also have reason to believe
that France will try for Mun (though I continue to suggest he focus on
Bel/Hol) so don't think that you can really try for Mun-Kie. In fact, given
the expectation of France moving to Mun, I'd probably move something there
myself to bounce him as you vacate. This again assumes that you not growing
but still surviving is an acceptable role. Is it? And if so, does this all
sound good?
--- Eric
Message from Germany to England
> Um, which version did you set wait for? I will send compatible orders.>
Um none yet. Apparently I havent submitted any moves so I didnt have to set
wait.
I spoke to soon, list the game. There is no set wait.
I am currently replying to all my games. Been busy for 2 1/2 hours now ;-)
I see floc.net is messed up here and there. My personal page is not showing
proper statuses.
At least Gc2 is looking ok.
Movement orders for Fall of 1905. (c2.019)
Germany: Army Ruhr, No Order Processed.
Germany: Army Munich, No Order Processed.
Orders not received for all units. If complete orders are not
received by Wed Jan 14 2004 23:30:00 -0600, you will be considered late.
You will be considered abandoned if all orders
are not received by
Mon Jan 19 2004 23:30:00 -0600.
Still here for a few hours yet. Plenty of time to at least coordinate our
moves.
I have heared from Russia and Italy, nothing from France, Turkey and
Austria.
Tony
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> I have heared from Russia and Italy,
> nothing from France, Turkey and
> Austria.
I guessed from your group press that Italy appears not to be ordering PIE -
TYR. Is that right?
Ben
Message from Germany to Russia
> Good point. While I said I did not want Den moving, I didn't clarify that
it
could have supported you.>
I am to blame too. There is what you call a "fetch"and "bring" duty.
If someone doesnt bring you information then go fetch it.
I took the non-offer as support as a sure sign of the stab. I should have
just asked for the support. Then Holland would have fell and the fleet
destroyed. Darnnnnnnnnnn....oh well.......we live and learn.
> And I do understand you want to survive. I was never planning on taking
action to keep that from happening. It is the distinction of staying alive
vs. rebuilding at home that I was asking about.>
Your other moves obviously showed your good intent. We would now have the
luxury of me on paper at least owning hol/kie/ber. I would then have been at
your mercy regarding the build.
> I still think that you moving on Kie is the best bet -- I'm expecting that
Ben will move to Ber, and I can bounce him there, which keeps you at two
(Ber and Kie) and in position to take Hol next year. I also have reason to
believe that France will try for Mun (though I continue to suggest he focus
on
Bel/Hol) so don't think that you can really try for Mun-Kie. In fact, given
the expectation of France moving to Mun, I'd probably move something there
myself to bounce him as you vacate. This again assumes that you not growing
but still surviving is an acceptable role. Is it? And if so, does this all
sound good?>
wow, hang on let me get a coffee. Be right back.
*slurp*..... I havent heared from France yet. The last suggestion that was
floated arround was everyone support me in MUN whilst Italy cuts support
from TYR. I tried to cinvince him that AT were coming after you (can you
blame me). I said it would be safe to cover VEN with one unit and cut
support from TYR. As far as I know France is supporting MUN as RUH is (as
far as he knows). Your offer sounds best so far. I was even considering
moving on KIE and HOL.
To be honest if I was Ben then I would be coming for you. KIE cant be forced
out and ber covered at the same time.
He must surely guess that you or france will hit mun. If he knows he is
hitting den then kie is safe.
I am probably exit this round. The only road I havent walked down is france
supporting me into hol.
Still a few hours left yet. I will get back to you.
tony
Message from Germany to England
That was in his last press to me. I mentioned what I had sent to AT and what
Russia told me.
I said as far as I could tell VEN wasnt in any trouble. One unit would be
enough to safeguard it. I asked him to reconsider. Russia wants me to hit
KIE. I want you to hit DEN from KIE.
Still no news from France.
Tony
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Russia wants me to hit
> KIE. I want you to hit DEN from KIE.
Yes, well of course I will not plan on losing KIE (or HOL), etc., but I have
not decided yet exactly how I will approach DEN. In the end it will depend
on Erik, I think, which reminds me:
> Still no news from France.
Per Erik, yesterday, MAO is there "for defense."
Ben
Message from Germany to England
Eric wants me to hit DEN whsilt he "bounces" with you in BER. Hmmmmmmm.
I see France is at least talking to you. I guess that the EFGI is out the
window. I am having trouble with floc.net so will be on line another hour or
two rechecking all press and invalid moves. Let me know if you want to go
for the BEL option.
My moves are still not in. Currently I am thinking MUN - BER, I can let RF
decide who gets MUN. RUH as yet undecided.
Tony
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Eric wants me to hit DEN whsilt he "bounces" with you in BER.
> Hmmmmmmm.
This is good news as it tells me what I must do. I am glad to have a signal
at last.
> I see France is at least talking to you. I guess that the
> EFGI is out the window.
Don't be too sure - I think he would rather have a German MUN than a Russian
one.
> I am having trouble with floc.net so will be on line
> another hour or two rechecking all press and invalid
> moves. Let me know if you want to go for the BEL option.
Well, having corresponded with noone but you since we last discussed it a
few hours ago, I've changed my own mind & am now leaning toward RUH - MUN.
Frankly if we don't hear from Erik until the deadline, that's a good sign
that he may do as you've asked.
> My moves are still not in. Currently I am thinking MUN - BER,
> I can let RF decide who gets MUN. RUH as yet undecided.
Got it.
I am trying to work with you & it is R and F fighting over your scraps -
capturing HOL will get you killed for sure. I won't want you & FR won't
need you.
Ben
Message from Germany to Russia
England knows of the bounce in BER expectation. It seemned to strike a note
with him. He is sure France will support RUH - MUN. He is asking that I go
for BER and move RUH - MUN.
My moves are still not in and will be based on what I hear up to the
deadline from EIFR. Any new news? tips?
Message from Germany to England
So no attack on BEL. MAybe I could opt for my own destruction and order
MUN - KIE supported by RUH?
This still allows you to use DEN as you wish and retreat to BER, RT can sort
MUN out. Unless he was serious about bouncing with you in BER? He seems
certain you will go there, either you have both agreed on it or he has
concluded it from talks with you. I had turned against him as the last moves
showed. I could have asked for support from DEN for KIE and have moved RUH -
HOL supported by KIE. This would have destroyed HOL. I hope you see that I
was/am on your side. If I am to be eliminated this round then I may do moves
we all regret or not. I dont get the feeling that we have open
communication.
Message from Germany to Germany
It's a shame Russia and I didn't talk through the previous move. Knowing
what I did about the English moves (I did believe Ben) Then the support from
DEN and my attack on HOL would have meant that I was in a much better
position than I am now.
ER are intwined, It's a shame Ben isnt being fully open with me. He also
sees possibilities which I dont. I think his best bet would be to go after
Russia. Since I turned on Russia Ben seems suddenly a lot stronger.
Still a few hours to go but I am off to bed in 45 minutes. Maybe something
will turn up else it is exit Germany.
Message from France to England and Germany
I think Andy is going to end up supporting himself back into Venice, FYI. I
wouldn't count on any help from Tyr.
Erik
Message from Germany to France
Ben did first mention supporting me to BEL but later retracted it. After
that he was unwilling to stae his moves.
Have you considerd BEL - HOL and BUR - BEL?
I am not counting on your support to MUN. The deadline is here and I have
ordered other moves. I may as well die trying something at least.
Message from Germany to England and France
I am not counting on support to MUN either from BUR. It hasnt been
confirmed.
I just submitted my moves but I can change them within the next 15 minutes.
Message from Germany to England
I know Erik doesnt trust you to much. That is why he didnt support me to
MUN. That probably also explains your message about his explanation for
being in MAO. Have you considerd that he may push for HOL & follow up to
BEL?
Message from Germany to Germany
I will opt for MUN - BER and RUH - KIE.
The French silence is not a good sign.
Message from Germany to Russia
I am moving on KIE so KIE will be cut. If you are holding DEN again then
support of RUH - KIE would be appreciated.
Message from France to Germany
>
> Ben did first mention supporting me to BEL but later retracted it. After
> that he was unwilling to stae his moves.
> Have you considerd BEL - HOL and BUR - BEL?
That's why I didn't want to promise you the support. I don't want to
support something I can't guarantee. If I don't need Bur elsewhere,
though, I will support Ruhr - Mun, if it's appropriate.
Erik
Message from Germany to all
Once again I have found myself seduced by Russia, England & France
I will roll a dice
1 = ruh - hol, mun - kie
2 = mun - kie supported by ruh
3 = ruh - kie supported by mun
4 = mun - ber, ruh - kie
5 = ruh s mun, mun s pie - tyr
6 = ruh - hol, mun - ber
7 = ruh hold, mun hold
No blowing or making sudden movements once I release the dice
Message from Germany to France
It wont be appropiate as I wont be RUH - MUN.
Russia has indicated he wants MUN we cant stop him.
Do what you wish, I could support you into HOL but maybe I should just rely
on the dice.
None of the moves mentioned in 1 - 6 effect you.
Good luck
Message from Germany to Germany
Since I have no EF consensus I have changed my mind and opted for MUN - BEr
and RUH - KIE.
Message from Germany to Russia
My moves are in. MUN - BER and RUH - KIE
Message from Germany to all
Dice rolled.....thanks for not influencing the outcome ;-)
Message from England to France and Germany
Gentlemen -
This is to make the commitment to the two of you that I've made to you
separately. I would like to see RUH - MUN and MUN - BER, supported by BUR.
I will be pushing north as promised.
Godspeed.
Ben
Message from Russia to Germany
I don't know if you'll get this, but I still vote for supporting yourself
Kie-Mun. Odds are high that England will tap Den, so Ruh-Den will likely not
succeed. Similarly Kie-Ber still bounces you. In the end it will be no
movement.
--- Eric
Austria: Army Trieste SUPPORT Russian Army Budapest → Serbia
Austria: Army Vienna → Budapest (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Helgoland Bight → Kiel
England: Fleet Kiel → Berlin
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean HOLD
England: Fleet North Sea → Holland (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Skagerrak → North Sea (*bounce*)
France: Army Belgium → Holland (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon → Marseilles
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Portugal
France: Fleet Portugal → Spain (south coast)
Germany: Army Munich → Berlin (*bounce, destroyed*)
Germany: Army Ruhr → Kiel (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Greece → Albania
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Adriatic Sea
Italy: Army Piedmont SUPPORT Army Tuscany → Venice
Italy: Army Tuscany → Venice
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea → Ionian Sea
Russia: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Army Budapest → Serbia
Russia: Fleet Denmark SUPPORT English Fleet Helgoland Bight → Kiel
Russia: Fleet Rumania HOLD
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT English Fleet Kiel → Berlin
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Norway (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Sweden → Norway (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Fleet Eastern Mediterranean
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria → Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Rumania (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea
Turkey: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Galicia → Budapest (*dislodged*)
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