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Message from Russia to Italy
>Eric...
>
>Just keep telling me how inexperienced and busy you are......
I *am* busy -- very much so.
>Im not as stupid as the average american, and Im certainly not a
>republican, so this trick wont work on me.....
This is absolutely hilarious to me. My moves cannot possibly be what you
would have recommended, can they? I was actually planning a message to you
with just this comment when I was taking a shower this morning. I find it
hilarious that you seem to think that my moves were good ones, or at least
well thought out. Would *you* have force retreated Jason to Gal in my
place? I think not!
The reason I was thinking of talking to you is to follow up on some
comments that I had made (or thought I made to you) about ability. I would
characterize myself as an adequate (but generally poor) whole-game planner,
a decent-to-good piece pusher (from an individual board position
perspective) and a much better than average diplomat. My guess is that the
good things you hear about me are from some of those games where I've lost
-- in games where I'm doing poorly my diplomacy capabilities make me look
much better than I actually am.
I think this game is a good example of the weaknesses in my play. Despite
arguably controlling the diplomatic action on the board for several
seasons, I'm in a relatively precarious position -- at least precarious
compared to where I should be. I'm not good at controlling the board play;
I'm a better sit back and watch player. In three games as Russia I've eeked
out a three-way, been eliminated (after getting to nine centers) and the
jury's out on this one. In one game as France I was pummeled. By contrast,
in three games as Austria/Italy I have two solos and a three-way that was
one misorder (and one opponent abandonment) away from being a solo itself.
So I know I talked about inexperience, and you are probably right to call
that BS. It's more my weakness in whole-game planning I'm talking about.
That's probably more insight than I should share with someone who's
supporting people into my centers, but hey, I can't help myself but to talk
when I actually sit down to do it. I'm an analyst that can't stop analyzing
(with an emphasis on the "anal" part (and for the observers, that's a
psychological and not a sexual reference!))
> > Also, do you expect Jason will try to take back Gre?
>
>Definitely not now.
Yeah. More of my good planning there. :)
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Italy
> So, help me out here...
>
> How did this make your position better?
It doesn't really; but I didn't believe you were sincere this
turn, so I expected you to position yourself for after my
elimination (maybe even pick Tri for yourself).
Oh surprise! You didn't move to Boh and try to get Tus
in Ven. If this was all a friendly gesture, why not tell me
about it in advance?
Philippe
Message from Turkey to Italy
Hey Andy,
Long time, no talk. I see that you and Russia and France have come to
some sort of an understanding, although I'm wondering if A Tyr was a
part of it.
Let me propose that we recommit ourselves to working with each other.
Russia has shown that he's not trustworthy, and France has given you
some space to work in Austria. Do you think we can make a go of it?
jason
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Start taking Russian dots...like NOW, Please.
Gladly. What are you telling Erik? Because eventually he will attack one
of us, and believe the group press I'm about to send. . .
Ben
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
> I hope that was planned.
It was.
> Because if it wasnt you two need to get your shit together at
> a very very
> very rapid rate or we will have a Russian solo on our hands.
I will keep pushing north but I will come south in a heartbeat if I am
attacked by Erik again.
I am sorry not to write more - very busy at work this week.
Ben
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Long time, no talk. I see that you and Russia and France have come to
> some sort of an understanding, although I'm wondering if A Tyr was a
> part of it.
Well....Russia and I havent but yes...France is letting me hold against
Russia
> Let me propose that we recommit ourselves to working with each other.
> Russia has shown that he's not trustworthy, and France has given you
> some space to work in Austria. Do you think we can make a go of it?
I told you that as long as you didnt make supported attacks on Greece we
are all good and its the truth.
I dont expect for their to be much of Austria to take after this season,
but your assistance with anything that is left would be great.
If we are going to work together to slow down Russia, you need at least
one more army. How do you plan on getting it.
Andy
Message from Germany to England, France, and Italy
Well I am guessing we were all surprised by Austria's moves. He seems to
have rolled over with his legs in the air.
I would like to thank Italy for supporting me into MUN. I am hoping the four
of us can work together in the fall.
I can only suggest the following. BUR support RUH - MUN, MUN - BER supported
by KIE, PIE - TYR.
I am assuming that PIE, BUR and KIE are free to help. I would expect Italy
to be worried about a supported attack on VEN. If he uses PIE to help
against Russia then he risks losing VEN. I will try a last ditched effort to
get AT to attack BUD & RUM.
Any other suggestions are more than welcome.
Tony
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> It doesn't really; but I didn't believe you were sincere this
> turn, so I expected you to position yourself for after my
> elimination (maybe even pick Tri for yourself).
Thats fair.
>
> Oh surprise! You didn't move to Boh and try to get Tus
> in Ven. If this was all a friendly gesture, why not tell me
> about it in advance?
I changed my orders at the 11th hour...
Because until I got buy in from other powers to slow down the Russian, my
your stab would have worked.
When 2 people told me that you had told them that we hadnt spoken at all I
decided to cover my bases.
Message from Turkey to Italy
Fair enough, then.
I assume he'll hold Rum with Ukr and attack with Bud. I'll try an
all-out attack to try and take as many centers as possible. Hopefully,
England can make some progress in the north to whittle him down some also.
jason
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
I don't think it helps you if I get crushed by Erik. Is he about to stab
me?
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
I dont have a bloody idea. He hasnt said a word to me.
Message from Russia to Italy
So, given that I've been continuing my tradition of "moves that screw over
Andy" is there anything you'd like to discuss for Fall? Unless you have
really good friends, you're likely to stay even in units (assuming you are
correct that Jason does not try for Gre). It seems like you've got peace
with France, at least for as long as England still has units, and you stand
to come out as a strong friend of whoever is still standing at the end.
So I guess I'm asking whether you have any ideas for cooperation, short
term of long term, that would be worthy of discussion? I imagine that your
choice to attack or not attack Jason is not going to be based on
negotiations between the two of us (but correct me if I'm wrong). So it
seems any discussions would hinge on longer term planning, which I'm
thinking you're also not terribly interested in discussing, while I'm busy
making it hard for you to get centers. So I'm saying that I'm open to
discussion, but I realize that in itself is not necessarily a useful
statement.
I feel like I must be overlooking something, because this is at least the
third season in a row where I've said basically, "not much to say, sorry".
So I just want to make it clear that the lack of content is positional and
not personal in any way.
On an out of game topic, I remember reading around the time of the DC
tourney that there was going to be a tourney of some sort on the west coast
in February. Do you know anything about that, or are you only involved in
east coast stuff?
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
> So, given that I've been continuing my tradition of "moves that screw over
> Andy" is there anything you'd like to discuss for Fall?
No....I have just been plagued with direct neighbors that seem to
continually think that I am a combination of Saddam Hussien and Josef
Stalin.
Unless you have
> really good friends, you're likely to stay even in units (assuming you are
> correct that Jason does not try for Gre). It seems like you've got peace
> with France, at least for as long as England still has units, and you stand
> to come out as a strong friend of whoever is still standing at the end.
Well...its just a matter of time before Erik attacks me again.
> So I guess I'm asking whether you have any ideas for cooperation, short
> term of long term, that would be worthy of discussion? I imagine that your
> choice to attack or not attack Jason is not going to be based on
> negotiations between the two of us (but correct me if I'm wrong).
I wouldnt say that is concrete, but its pretty clear that as long as you
are gaining 2 centers every year, I wont be helping you into dots.
So it
> seems any discussions would hinge on longer term planning, which I'm
> thinking you're also not terribly interested in discussing, while I'm busy
> making it hard for you to get centers. So I'm saying that I'm open to
> discussion, but I realize that in itself is not necessarily a useful
> statement.
Well....The Austrian gave me terribly lame excuses last turn.
And he has basically given you both his remaining dots.
> I feel like I must be overlooking something, because this is at least the
> third season in a row where I've said basically, "not much to say, sorry".
> So I just want to make it clear that the lack of content is positional and
> not personal in any way.
I dont think you are missing anyting and I wouldnt take it personally
anyway.
> On an out of game topic, I remember reading around the time of the DC
> tourney that there was going to be a tourney of some sort on the west coast
> in February. Do you know anything about that, or are you only involved in
> east coast stuff?
Denver is February 13, 14 and 15.
Message from Italy to England, France, and Germany
Im protecting my home and trying to figure out how to make some headway...
And for the love of god...please dont start fighting amoungst yourselves
again.
Message from France to Italy
Yes, it was planned. I supported it only out of lingering doubts about
Ben's commitment to peace. I would have supported the attack Munich
otherwise, but figured your support was as good as mine.
Effective planning on Eric's part, though. He's basically removed your
influence from the area for a few turns. Do you think you might be able
to break any support that Tyr might provide, or do you need to ensure
the defense of Venice?
Erik
Message from Germany to Italy
I am sure AI will hit Russia this year. I sent them a press on BUD/RUM and
the Turk sounded interesting. RUssia has assured me that he will be going
for MUN. The two add up. If you could hit TYR then please do.
I think ROM - VEN will be more than enough to safeguard it. If I am wrong
then GIA are exit anyway.
Good luck whatever you do.
Message from Italy to France
> Yes, it was planned. I supported it only out of lingering doubts about
> Ben's commitment to peace. I would have supported the attack Munich
> otherwise, but figured your support was as good as mine.
Fair enough.
> Effective planning on Eric's part, though. He's basically removed your
> influence from the area for a few turns. Do you think you might be able
> to break any support that Tyr might provide, or do you need to ensure
> the defense of Venice?
Influence is an intresting thing.
Im protecting my home spaces.
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> I dont have a bloody idea. He hasnt said a word to me.
Great.
I wish I trusted one of my neighbors to do what he says he'd do - any one of
'em.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
Erik started talking to me last night.
He is on board with you, at least that is what he tells me.
> I wish I trusted one of my neighbors to do what he says he'd do - any one of
> 'em.
Just start taking Russian dots. It cant hurt.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Erik started talking to me last night.
> He is on board with you, at least that is what he tells me.
Of course this is what I want. I am *not* planning on pushing south right
now, though as we've discussed, there will be a time when I hope we can work
that together.
What will he do with his fleets, do you think? Hold?
> Just start taking Russian dots. It cant hurt.
:-)
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> What will he do with his fleets, do you think? Hold?
That is what I suspect.
Message from Germany to England, France, and Italy
If I understand correctly Italy wishes to take care of his own affairs, this
is fair enough and understandable.
I informed Italy that I had made a suggestion to AT and the Turk's fantasy
was tickled.
It may free up PIE to cut support from TYR but that is Andys call.
As for KIE/BER/MUN the Russian has stated he will go for MUN. Is he being
honest? your guess is as good as mine.
I am hoping that Ben would prefer a build from Russia than from me.
All I can hope and pray for is tender loving care from France/England &
Italy coupled with my loyal devotion to helping you in the future. My
prayers and suggestions are A RUH - MUN supported by BUR, PIE - TYR, MUN -
BEr, KIE - DEN supported by HEL, SKA - SWE, NTH - HOL, BEL - HOL. Its the
best I can come up with (for me that is ;)
Any other suggestions more than welcome. Maybe Russia will throw three units
at WAR but that leaves him open for attack in WAR/RUM. Those who may or may
not sie salute you.
Message from Austria to Italy
> I changed my orders at the 11th hour...
>
> Because until I got buy in from other powers to slow down the Russian, my
> your stab would have worked.
>
> When 2 people told me that you had told them that we hadnt spoken at all I
> decided to cover my bases.
In response to his three way press, I did tell Tony that you
didn't reply to my own press and that I didn't believe you
when you finally did, but I find it hard to believe you would
actually use this to justify your moves.
Philippe
Message from Italy to Austria
> > When 2 people told me that you had told them that we hadnt spoken at all I
> > decided to cover my bases.
>
> In response to his three way press, I did tell Tony that you
> didn't reply to my own press and that I didn't believe you
> when you finally did, but I find it hard to believe you would
> actually use this to justify your moves.
Not really justify. Tell you what I was thinking.
I got a feeling that you werent being totally honest with me.
Russia and Germany are the 2 people that told me.
Message from Germany to all
Once again I have found myself seduced by Russia, England & France
I will roll a dice
1 = ruh - hol, mun - kie
2 = mun - kie supported by ruh
3 = ruh - kie supported by mun
4 = mun - ber, ruh - kie
5 = ruh s mun, mun s pie - tyr
6 = ruh - hol, mun - ber
7 = ruh hold, mun hold
No blowing or making sudden movements once I release the dice
Message from Germany to all
Dice rolled.....thanks for not influencing the outcome ;-)
Message from Austria to Italy
> Not really justify. Tell you what I was thinking.
OK, but it is funny to see you refer to Tri-Ven as an austrian stab.
> I got a feeling that you werent being totally honest with me.
>
> Russia and Germany are the 2 people that told me.
Unless you are refering to my explaining to Russia I wasn't taking
the time to negociate with anyone before the adjustment when I
came back from the holydays, I must say I'm clueless as to what
you are refering to; and I doubt it's that as I was talking about
your lack of participation in putting forth a strategy to take on RT
in the SPRING, beside sending me curt replies that weren't at all
reassuring of course.
Austria: Army Trieste SUPPORT Russian Army Budapest → Serbia
Austria: Army Vienna → Budapest (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Helgoland Bight → Kiel
England: Fleet Kiel → Berlin
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean HOLD
England: Fleet North Sea → Holland (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Skagerrak → North Sea (*bounce*)
France: Army Belgium → Holland (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon → Marseilles
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Portugal
France: Fleet Portugal → Spain (south coast)
Germany: Army Munich → Berlin (*bounce, destroyed*)
Germany: Army Ruhr → Kiel (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Greece → Albania
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Adriatic Sea
Italy: Army Piedmont SUPPORT Army Tuscany → Venice
Italy: Army Tuscany → Venice
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea → Ionian Sea
Russia: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Army Budapest → Serbia
Russia: Fleet Denmark SUPPORT English Fleet Helgoland Bight → Kiel
Russia: Fleet Rumania HOLD
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT English Fleet Kiel → Berlin
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Norway (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Sweden → Norway (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Fleet Eastern Mediterranean
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria → Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Rumania (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea
Turkey: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Galicia → Budapest (*dislodged*)
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