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Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> Well, not much of a surprise with the northern moves. Not only should I
have
> taken your advice re:Erik, but I guess it was a huge mistake to be nice to
> Tony. I made really bad calls by trying to work with either of them
against
> you, by overestimating their ability to actually cooperate effectively
(for
> vastly different reasons). If you want to just throw everything you have
at
> me, I can hardly blame you.
That's not likely going to happen. If you put the pieces together, you
will see I had little choice. It was this, or my end, per FG.
> That said, I am happy to see if we can come to some arrangement. You'll
want
> one or more of the Scandinavian centers back. Anything we can do to limit
the
> fighting to just that? I know I haven't been much of an ally, but niether
> have either F or G -- Tony in particular has shown exactly how long you
can
> trust him to work with you by attacking me immediately after I went *way*
out
> of my way to keep him in the game. I won't make that mistake again.
Gratitude is not something I would expect from Tony. I have every
confidence that you and I will work this out before too long. It will just
be a matter of taking advantage of the right timing.
> In any case, tell me what you are thinking. If you take Den, we're
basically
> back to the position we were in a season ago, but France now apparently
has
> an FI alliance worked out that you will need to worry about as well
(whether
> this season's moves were arranged or not). We could cooperate to take out
> Tony in fairly short order -- something that would be good for both of us
> even if you decide to press against me in the north. If you do choose to
work
> with me, I promise to try to be amusing. Or if it would be better, I can
> promise to STOP trying to be amusing. Your choice. :)
:-) It will be a matter of timing, that's all. I'll study the map later.
In my last press, I was sincere that I hadn't done much writing & I didn't
know what was happening elsewhere, by the way - I was perhaps more
surprised than you at F and G's moves. Also, don't rush France's attack
against me, if you want me to be a long-term partner for you, try not to
get me killed again, ok? There's not much damage I can do to you now, and
I am quite sincere that we'll be looking together for opportunities
elsewhere.
There's no reason for there to be bad blood - I don't see anything more
than a border skirmish or two. Maybe we can even choreograph that.
> It's late here, so I'm going to sign off. Talk to you soon.
I have out of town company - this is the only c2 press I'm writing this
morning. We'll catch up more later.
Ben
Message from Turkey to England
Well, it looks like France made a nice deal with Italy to disengage.
That can't be good for either of us. Hopefully, though, you can make
some progress in Scandinavia.
Russia is claiming that his moves were just a big misunderstanding,
trying to ward off a stab he feared from me. Nice story, but I somehow
doubt it.
Any particular way that I can help you out this turn?
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Well, it looks like France made a nice deal with Italy to disengage.
> That can't be good for either of us. Hopefully, though, you can make
> some progress in Scandinavia.
If France stays off my back. If France comes after me, it is a small matter
for me to turn my back on Russia and let him grow in the North & in the
German/Lowland centers. Our interests coincide. . .
> Russia is claiming that his moves were just a big misunderstanding,
> trying to ward off a stab he feared from me. Nice story, but I somehow
> doubt it.
:-) No doubt he is aware of the adage, that it is not an attack if the
target does not think it is an attack. Why would he tell you he's attacking
you?
> Any particular way that I can help you out this turn?
Defend yourself. See that? Our interests coincide. Let's try to keep him
from getting any builds.
Ben
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Start taking Russian dots...like NOW, Please.
Gladly. What are you telling Erik? Because eventually he will attack one
of us, and believe the group press I'm about to send. . .
Ben
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
> I hope that was planned.
It was.
> Because if it wasnt you two need to get your shit together at
> a very very
> very rapid rate or we will have a Russian solo on our hands.
I will keep pushing north but I will come south in a heartbeat if I am
attacked by Erik again.
I am sorry not to write more - very busy at work this week.
Ben
Message from Germany to England and France
Well support to MUN would have given me a better feeling.
What are the plans for the fall?
Message from Germany to England, France, and Italy
Well I am guessing we were all surprised by Austria's moves. He seems to
have rolled over with his legs in the air.
I would like to thank Italy for supporting me into MUN. I am hoping the four
of us can work together in the fall.
I can only suggest the following. BUR support RUH - MUN, MUN - BER supported
by KIE, PIE - TYR.
I am assuming that PIE, BUR and KIE are free to help. I would expect Italy
to be worried about a supported attack on VEN. If he uses PIE to help
against Russia then he risks losing VEN. I will try a last ditched effort to
get AT to attack BUD & RUM.
Any other suggestions are more than welcome.
Tony
Message from France to England
Ben:
Thank you for keeping your promise. The gain of Belgium will do much for
the French war effort, and I'm glad to see that neither of us did much
to help out Tony. Better not to have him hanging around waiting for a
comeback.
F Mao and F Por appeared for defensive purposes, as I'm sure you can
understand, but I will now be a little more relaxed using them
elsewhere. I'd like to start heading South again; with Turkey about to
crumble, IR are going to be the only easter powers left, and that spells
trouble for you and I.
We need to keep Munich and Berlin out of Russian hands. Any thought?
Erik
Message from Turkey to England
No question, our interests coincide on many levels. I'll see how well I
can hold Russia off. Who knows, maybe we can force a disband or two?
jason
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Well support to MUN would have given me a better feeling.
> What are the plans for the fall?
None yet - I should be able to look at it later today & evaluate your group
plan.
In the event of EFGI cooperation, Tony, whither France?
Ben
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
I don't think it helps you if I get crushed by Erik. Is he about to stab
me?
Ben
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> No question, our interests coincide on many levels. I'll see
> how well I
> can hold Russia off. Who knows, maybe we can force a disband or two?
Hopefully, if I am not attacked by France.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
> Thank you for keeping your promise. The gain of Belgium will
> do much for
> the French war effort, and I'm glad to see that neither of us did much
> to help out Tony. Better not to have him hanging around waiting for a
> comeback.
I agree 100%.
> F Mao and F Por appeared for defensive purposes, as I'm sure you can
> understand, but I will now be a little more relaxed using them
> elsewhere. I'd like to start heading South again; with Turkey about to
> crumble, IR are going to be the only easter powers left, and
> that spells trouble for you and I.
I agree. We - I - have been fooling around for too long.
> We need to keep Munich and Berlin out of Russian hands. Any thought?
Well, Tony's proposal seems to work, with me supporting him to BER with KIE.
If you are thinking about pushing south again, you could hide MAO on SPA/sc,
and tell Andy I insisted you do it so I could go north against Russia.
Thoughts?
Ben
Message from Germany to England
Hi Ben,
> In the event of EFGI cooperation, Tony, whither France?>
Interesting theory, I wonder how many wither Germanys are flying around ;-)
I would obviosuly like to stay on two at least. HOL, BER, BEL, KIE are my
possibles.
We dont have much time before the deadline.
I havent heared anything from FIR as yet. Sad to say the least. I did make
some suggestions to AT. Turkey thought they were bold so who knows. To be
honest you would best be off looking north for the builds. I like the look
of
mun - ber, ruh - bel supported by nth, hel - hol, kie - den supported by
ska.
At worst I end up on three. You would remain on 5 for now and France remians
on 5. Then you and I set about FR next year. An interesting twist. I dont
see FI signing up for anything daring before the deadline alas.
Of course you could just think of good old england, take a shot at den and
sweden. May net you three.
All I can do is keep my fingers crossed.
Tony
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> We dont have much time before the deadline.
The deadline is tomorrow, so we have a day + a few hours.
> I havent heared anything from FIR as yet. Sad to say the least.
Something's up with Andy IRL, I'm guessing; it's not like him not to write.
> mun - ber, ruh - bel supported by nth, hel - hol, kie - den
> supported by ska.
Interesting. . . Let me look at this later & get back to you - I'm trying to wrap up at work.
[snip]
> All I can do is keep my fingers crossed.
& wheel & deal.
Let's stay in touch & compare notes about Italy, France, and Russia. If any of them write. . .
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
I dont have a bloody idea. He hasnt said a word to me.
Message from Russia to England
Ben,
Looking over the board you are in an intriguing position. I am not
interested in inciting France against you, but I don't think that's
something I have control over (see below). If you force Den, you risk
losing Hol, Bel and Kie, while France takes Eng and possibly MAO. Andy can
make him pay for it, but not in time to do you any good.
Long and the short of it, I don't need to tell anyone this stuff. GF worked
out last season's moves without me, and Tony even went to the trouble to
send a three way press to FR telling me that he'd be moving Kie-Hol. Point
not being that he surprised me, but that he's seeing good opportunities
whether or not I help him, and now he's working with France.
My proposal to you doesn't change much from previous proposals. I won't be
taking hostile action against you, and I'd like to cooperate. Obviously
you'll be dubious about this because I've taken advantage of you before,
but let me stress that hitting Den was -- to me, given what I was hearing
diplomatically at the time -- a shot at a solo. It was not a capricious
"hey look, I can pick up one center" kind of thing. If GF had moved as I
hoped then I *would* have been able to build F StP(nc) and had a real
presence in the north. It failed miserably, and had I known that Erik's
defense was going to be so bad then I never would have tried it.
I don't know if you see this explanation as good or bad. The point is that
I very much value our ability to work together, and I don't intentionally
screw people Tony-fashion (actually Joe Brennan's style is the one I think
of more in that vein) just for the fun of it. With A StP I have virtually
eliminated the threat against you from me, since even if I were to build
another fleet, it would take seasons to get to your shores. I'm pretty
clear that Erik is intent on attacking you regardless of your agreement. It
was in part the certainty that Erik would *not* back off of you that made
taking Den seem like a viable shot at a solo (part of what I meant by
"given what I was hearing").
So if we can work together, we can eliminate Tony, I can establish a line
across Scandinavia and you can have units to stand off Erik with -- at
least until Andy gets into a position and relieve pressure off of you. I'm
not suggesting that you have to attack Erik to work with me -- just that it
might be in your interest to not commit against me yet even as you try to
ensure that FE relations are acceptable. I am disappointed to see that you
left yourself no attack on Bel, but I gather that was part of the FG
ultimatum. The downside is that, as you say, Tony is not likely to honor it.
Sorry, this is long because I'm short on time, and in that situation I
either get really brusque or blather on without doing a lot of self
editing. I may even be trying to convince you of something you already
agree to. You had said "Maybe we can even choreograph [our fighting]".
We've been successful with that before. Anything you have in mind in
particular? While I agree that you can't mortally wound me alone, you are
the one with the initiative at this time, as I can only defend against your
push.
And don't take the morose tone poorly. I'm not angry or even really trying
to be defensive. Just rushing.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to England, France, and Germany
Im protecting my home and trying to figure out how to make some headway...
And for the love of god...please dont start fighting amoungst yourselves
again.
Message from France to England
Ben:
I think you should forget about Tony and take gains for yourself,
frankly. He's a loose cannon -- he was a Russian lackey just a few short
turns ago, let's not forget. Might I recommend Kiel - Ber, Nth - Den,
Hel S Nth - Den, Ska - Swe?
He can't take Berlin with Sil alone, and this keeps Germany from making
more gains. I can perhaps prop Munich up for long enough to get another
army built in Paris and sent on its way to Ruhr.
I'm open to either direction, though.
Erik
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
You make a series of good points.
Reading your last few presses together, I am struggling to detect whether
you are offering a northern dot back to me or not.
Could you please clue me in?
Still busy at work. . . Things should ease up soon. Sorry for the short
note.
Ben
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> > mun - ber, ruh - bel supported by nth, hel - hol, kie - den
> > supported by ska.
> Interesting. . . Let me look at this later & get back to you - I'm
> trying to wrap up at work.
Ok, I finally got around to it. It looks like it would work, but I'm
reluctant to incite a French suicide - do you think it's necessary?
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
> I think you should forget about Tony and take gains for yourself,
> frankly. He's a loose cannon -- he was a Russian lackey just a few short
> turns ago, let's not forget. Might I recommend Kiel - Ber, Nth - Den,
> Hel S Nth - Den, Ska - Swe?
I'll look it over in alittle while. Hasn't Tony said all along he will be
ordering MUN - BER? He's encouraging me to support RUH - BEL - who knows
if he'd really order it, but if he does, I wonder if there's a way for us
to take advantage. . .
It depends on Italy, I suppose; on whether PIE - TYR. If Andy won't commit
to that, perhaps I should accept his "offer," support him to BER, and allow
him to bounce off you in BEL while MUN goes down to Russia. That would put
us nearer the end of Tony's contribution to C2. . .
What do you think?
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
Can you support me to BER (from SIL) and to KIE (from DEN)?
No cost to you, and it would keep my fleets busily away from NWY, SWE, etc.
Ben
Message from England to England
Clearly MAO - NAO (or IRI or ENG) must be very tempting to Erik. Ideally Eric will support me into KIE & BER and Tony will order RUH - BEL, which would protect me from BEL - HOL and BUR - BEL. If those fall into place I should be able to hold Erik off for awhile, if the attack comes.
If Erik does not attack me this phase my outlook will be as good as its been since S1901. The casual tone of his last press struck me - something I like to see but it was not completely familiar, from him. Could be a good sign, could be a bad sign, could be a sign he'd been drinking while writing press.
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
One thing I can offer, in exchange, is to try to arrange for MUN to be
vulnerable. . .
Anyway, if you would like to patch things up, support to BER and KIE would
permit me to defend myself in the west. . .
Let me know your thoughts.
Ben
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> I dont have a bloody idea. He hasnt said a word to me.
Great.
I wish I trusted one of my neighbors to do what he says he'd do - any one of
'em.
Ben
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
Ok, go ahead to BEL - please let me know if you're not interested in this
strategy anymore, as I'm pretty conflicted & I don't think it's any help to
you for me to start fighting Erik again. Russia will run you over like the
useless chump you'd be. . . ;-)
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
Erik started talking to me last night.
He is on board with you, at least that is what he tells me.
> I wish I trusted one of my neighbors to do what he says he'd do - any one of
> 'em.
Just start taking Russian dots. It cant hurt.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Erik started talking to me last night.
> He is on board with you, at least that is what he tells me.
Of course this is what I want. I am *not* planning on pushing south right
now, though as we've discussed, there will be a time when I hope we can work
that together.
What will he do with his fleets, do you think? Hold?
> Just start taking Russian dots. It cant hurt.
:-)
Ben
Message from Germany to England
I thought you wanted to go after Ben. I will get a 3 way / 4 way press
going.
Hold on the support to BEn, new plan coming up.
Message from Italy to England
> What will he do with his fleets, do you think? Hold?
That is what I suspect.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> I thought you wanted to go after Ben.
I am Ben.
> I will get a 3 way / 4 way press going.
> Hold on the support to BEn, new plan coming up.
With whom? This isn't something I'd planned on broadcasting. . .
Ben
Message from Germany to England
Hahahahahahaha 96 emails from 26 games. Sorry Ben. I meant you were talking
about withering out France.
I see my jibberish has improved.
Message from Germany to England, France, and Italy
If I understand correctly Italy wishes to take care of his own affairs, this
is fair enough and understandable.
I informed Italy that I had made a suggestion to AT and the Turk's fantasy
was tickled.
It may free up PIE to cut support from TYR but that is Andys call.
As for KIE/BER/MUN the Russian has stated he will go for MUN. Is he being
honest? your guess is as good as mine.
I am hoping that Ben would prefer a build from Russia than from me.
All I can hope and pray for is tender loving care from France/England &
Italy coupled with my loyal devotion to helping you in the future. My
prayers and suggestions are A RUH - MUN supported by BUR, PIE - TYR, MUN -
BEr, KIE - DEN supported by HEL, SKA - SWE, NTH - HOL, BEL - HOL. Its the
best I can come up with (for me that is ;)
Any other suggestions more than welcome. Maybe Russia will throw three units
at WAR but that leaves him open for attack in WAR/RUM. Those who may or may
not sie salute you.
Message from Germany to England
What do you really want BEn? Let me know time is tunning out.
Message from England to Austria
Philippe -
I salute you, my distant friend.
If you don't mind me asking, what's in the cards over there this year? I'll be glad to keep the information to myself, if you ask, or to dispense it, if you would prefer.
But it is affecting my plans & I am hoping you will be willing to share.
Best of luck, holding what you've got.
Ben
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
It's a close call. The only thing I *don't* want is me to support RUH - BEL, and for you not to order it. I do not want to be made a fool again.
I could go either way - if you will go RUH - BEL then I will support it. But if you won't, just tell me, and I'll go with your group plan (RUH - MUN, MUN - BER).
Ben
Message from Germany to England
Dont worry about me not communicating it. You couldnt beat Frances move to
PIE anyway. I still have the wet pants to prove it. Will you be vacating KIE
and taking DEN from there?
This ensures that I at least can offer resistance via land against Russia
and against France if you opt for that. If we dont hear from France before
the deadline or bed time then we could go for BEL. I will set wait. Will you
be available before the deadline and before I go to bed? Thats about another
4 hours from now.
Tony
Message from England to France
Erik -
I hadn't heard from you & Tony was pressing me to give him an answer, so I went ahead and authorized RUH - BEL. I think if he does it, fine, if he goes with his "group" plan, that's fine too, but either way GR is weakened at the expense of EF. You will get your build & I will get mine. I don't think I need to tell you, I would be some kind of moron if I actually *supported* the attack; the very best case scenario would then be that I'd started a war with you but gained no - zero - dots. My mother did raise a fool, but that's my stepbrother, and not me.
Do you have any idea whether Andy will order PIE - TYR? I'm guessing he won't, because of Tony's group press, which is the reason I suggested Tony go RUH - BEL. Give up on MUN & try to get myself into BER; at the very least, keep Russia out.
What do you think?
Ben
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Dont worry about me not communicating it. You couldnt beat Frances move to
> PIE anyway. I still have the wet pants to prove it.
:-)
> Will you be vacating KIE
> and taking DEN from there?
I don't know yet.
> This ensures that I at least can offer resistance via land against Russia
> and against France if you opt for that. If we dont hear from France before
> the deadline or bed time then we could go for BEL. I will set wait. Will you
> be available before the deadline and before I go to bed? Thats about another
> 4 hours from now.
Um, which version did you set wait for? I will send compatible orders.
I'll let you know if I hear something.
Ben
Message from Russia to England
Ben,
I hadn't offered anything specific in terms of centers, but yes, I did say
that I expected you'd want one back. Sorry, I did fail to connect the dots
between the "you can force Den" and "but consider the dangers of forcing Den"
presses. I probably should have been clearer that the us working together
does not preclude you taking a center.
That said, the Kie/Ber support scenario is also very doable. It's basically
what I would order anyway if we were fighting (just with you taking Ber
instead of me) since F Den doesn't have anything useful to do itself. Is that
the way you'd prefer to go.
No worries on the relative lack of press. I'll be lucky to get in a second
round this afternoon myself.
--- Eric
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
********
I hadn't offered anything specific in terms of centers, but yes, I did say
that I expected you'd want one back. Sorry, I did fail to connect the dots
between the "you can force Den" and "but consider the dangers of forcing Den"
presses. I probably should have been clearer that the us working together
does not preclude you taking a center.
********
I can read between the lines (and read the lines themselves) and see you are busy these days. I know *my* press gets confusing when I'm busy - don't sweat it.
********
That said, the Kie/Ber support scenario is also very doable. It's basically
what I would order anyway if we were fighting (just with you taking Ber
instead of me) since F Den doesn't have anything useful to do itself. Is that
the way you'd prefer to go.
********
In the long run we may have more shuffling to do, but if you can *support* KIE - DEN and *support* KIE - BER, please confirm.
********
No worries on the relative lack of press. I'll be lucky to get in a second
round this afternoon myself.
********
I know you can do it. . . Do what I do - play Dip when you should be doing more important things. . .
Ben
Message from Germany to England
> Um, which version did you set wait for? I will send compatible orders.>
Um none yet. Apparently I havent submitted any moves so I didnt have to set
wait.
I spoke to soon, list the game. There is no set wait.
I am currently replying to all my games. Been busy for 2 1/2 hours now ;-)
I see floc.net is messed up here and there. My personal page is not showing
proper statuses.
At least Gc2 is looking ok.
Movement orders for Fall of 1905. (c2.019)
Germany: Army Ruhr, No Order Processed.
Germany: Army Munich, No Order Processed.
Orders not received for all units. If complete orders are not
received by Wed Jan 14 2004 23:30:00 -0600, you will be considered late.
You will be considered abandoned if all orders
are not received by
Mon Jan 19 2004 23:30:00 -0600.
Still here for a few hours yet. Plenty of time to at least coordinate our
moves.
I have heared from Russia and Italy, nothing from France, Turkey and
Austria.
Tony
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> I have heared from Russia and Italy,
> nothing from France, Turkey and
> Austria.
I guessed from your group press that Italy appears not to be ordering PIE -
TYR. Is that right?
Ben
Message from Germany to England
That was in his last press to me. I mentioned what I had sent to AT and what
Russia told me.
I said as far as I could tell VEN wasnt in any trouble. One unit would be
enough to safeguard it. I asked him to reconsider. Russia wants me to hit
KIE. I want you to hit DEN from KIE.
Still no news from France.
Tony
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Russia wants me to hit
> KIE. I want you to hit DEN from KIE.
Yes, well of course I will not plan on losing KIE (or HOL), etc., but I have
not decided yet exactly how I will approach DEN. In the end it will depend
on Erik, I think, which reminds me:
> Still no news from France.
Per Erik, yesterday, MAO is there "for defense."
Ben
Message from Germany to England
Eric wants me to hit DEN whsilt he "bounces" with you in BER. Hmmmmmmm.
I see France is at least talking to you. I guess that the EFGI is out the
window. I am having trouble with floc.net so will be on line another hour or
two rechecking all press and invalid moves. Let me know if you want to go
for the BEL option.
My moves are still not in. Currently I am thinking MUN - BER, I can let RF
decide who gets MUN. RUH as yet undecided.
Tony
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Eric wants me to hit DEN whsilt he "bounces" with you in BER.
> Hmmmmmmm.
This is good news as it tells me what I must do. I am glad to have a signal
at last.
> I see France is at least talking to you. I guess that the
> EFGI is out the window.
Don't be too sure - I think he would rather have a German MUN than a Russian
one.
> I am having trouble with floc.net so will be on line
> another hour or two rechecking all press and invalid
> moves. Let me know if you want to go for the BEL option.
Well, having corresponded with noone but you since we last discussed it a
few hours ago, I've changed my own mind & am now leaning toward RUH - MUN.
Frankly if we don't hear from Erik until the deadline, that's a good sign
that he may do as you've asked.
> My moves are still not in. Currently I am thinking MUN - BER,
> I can let RF decide who gets MUN. RUH as yet undecided.
Got it.
I am trying to work with you & it is R and F fighting over your scraps -
capturing HOL will get you killed for sure. I won't want you & FR won't
need you.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
Ok, as far as I can tell, currently Eric is edging out Tony for Biggest Snake, based on press I've received this phase.
So I will leave it up to you, but I've encouraged Tony now to go RUH - MUN, and you can support him if you like. Of course who knows what he'll do, but that was my suggestion to him. My thinking is, Russia will lose as much as possible.
As you say, you can build A PAR and we can push through Germany when that unit arrives at the front.
Ben
Message from Germany to England
So no attack on BEL. MAybe I could opt for my own destruction and order
MUN - KIE supported by RUH?
This still allows you to use DEN as you wish and retreat to BER, RT can sort
MUN out. Unless he was serious about bouncing with you in BER? He seems
certain you will go there, either you have both agreed on it or he has
concluded it from talks with you. I had turned against him as the last moves
showed. I could have asked for support from DEN for KIE and have moved RUH -
HOL supported by KIE. This would have destroyed HOL. I hope you see that I
was/am on your side. If I am to be eliminated this round then I may do moves
we all regret or not. I dont get the feeling that we have open
communication.
Message from France to England
>
> Erik -
> Ok, as far as I can tell, currently Eric is edging out Tony for Biggest
> Snake, based on press I've received this phase.
Yeah, mainly because he's a craftier, less random snake. At least you can
count on Tony constantly spouting off nonsense.
>
> So I will leave it up to you, but I've encouraged Tony now to go RUH -
> MUN, and you can support him if you like. Of course who knows what
> he'll do, but that was my suggestion to him. My thinking is, Russia
> will lose as much as possible.
And what are you doing? Den / Norway attack? Holding onto Kiel? I am
curious how much of a dent we're making on Russia.
If I move to Spa (sc), I may need that "you made me do it" story from you
to back me up.
Erik
Message from France to England and Germany
I think Andy is going to end up supporting himself back into Venice, FYI. I
wouldn't count on any help from Tyr.
Erik
Message from Germany to England and France
I am not counting on support to MUN either from BUR. It hasnt been
confirmed.
I just submitted my moves but I can change them within the next 15 minutes.
Message from Germany to England
I know Erik doesnt trust you to much. That is why he didnt support me to
MUN. That probably also explains your message about his explanation for
being in MAO. Have you considerd that he may push for HOL & follow up to
BEL?
Message from Germany to all
Once again I have found myself seduced by Russia, England & France
I will roll a dice
1 = ruh - hol, mun - kie
2 = mun - kie supported by ruh
3 = ruh - kie supported by mun
4 = mun - ber, ruh - kie
5 = ruh s mun, mun s pie - tyr
6 = ruh - hol, mun - ber
7 = ruh hold, mun hold
No blowing or making sudden movements once I release the dice
Message from Germany to all
Dice rolled.....thanks for not influencing the outcome ;-)
Message from England to France and Germany
Gentlemen -
This is to make the commitment to the two of you that I've made to you
separately. I would like to see RUH - MUN and MUN - BER, supported by BUR.
I will be pushing north as promised.
Godspeed.
Ben
Message from Russia to England
<Insert normal time-limitation excuse here>
You are aware that Tony may order Ruh S Mun-Kie, in which case you'd only end
up in Ber, right?
I'm definitely concerned about that Army in Gal, but I can't fight a two
(three?) front war. It's definitely worth supporting you to settle our
borders down.
Hope all is well in RL with you, and good luck with the turn. If France does
not grab for HOL you should be in good shape.
--- Eric
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> <Insert normal time-limitation excuse here>
:-)
> You are aware that Tony may order Ruh S Mun-Kie, in which case you'd only
end
> up in Ber, right?
Yes. Lots of bad things could happen.
> I'm definitely concerned about that Army in Gal, but I can't fight a two
> (three?) front war. It's definitely worth supporting you to settle our
> borders down.
So you are supporting me to BER and to KIE? Did I mention, I'm a lawyer?
> Hope all is well in RL with you, and good luck with the turn. If France
does
> not grab for HOL you should be in good shape.
Yes, that's what I'm hoping for.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
> > Ok, as far as I can tell, currently Eric is edging out Tony for Biggest
> > Snake, based on press I've received this phase.
>
> Yeah, mainly because he's a craftier, less random snake. At least you can
> count on Tony constantly spouting off nonsense.
True, true.
> > So I will leave it up to you, but I've encouraged Tony now to go RUH -
> > MUN, and you can support him if you like. Of course who knows what
> > he'll do, but that was my suggestion to him. My thinking is, Russia
> > will lose as much as possible.
>
> And what are you doing? Den / Norway attack? Holding onto Kiel? I am
> curious how much of a dent we're making on Russia.
I'm still not 100% sure. Didn't you suggest I go for BER? Eric is still
writing me and I'm trying to peer through the haze to see what's really
going on. What are you hearing from him?
> If I move to Spa (sc), I may need that "you made me do it" story from you
> to back me up.
:-) Diplomatic Frenchmen are often stuck in SPA/sc. You won't be the
first. . .
Of course you will have my story. If you like, I can start spreading it
now, so Andy knows ahead of time, or I can wait. If I don't hear from you,
I'll keep my mouth shut.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
Could you bounce me in HOL, to keep Tony out, and tap MUN from BUR?
Then I'd take DEN & be happy with my one build. You'd get your army &
we'll be on our way.
Ben
Message from Russia to England
You still out there? I'm happy to order the supports, but I'm concerned that
you may not know that they are coming (making them immaterial).
--- Eric
Message from England to France
Erik -
Moves are in based on a bounce in HOL, but I will be up & about until near
the deadline.
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
Tentative moves are in, but I will be up & about until near the deadline.
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> You still out there? I'm happy to order the supports, but I'm concerned
that
> you may not know that they are coming (making them immaterial).
Ho ho! Our messengers crossed paths.
Good.
What do you hear from Erik?
Ben
Message from Russia to England
So are you taking the support?
Erik is weighing the pros and cons of attacking you vs. attacking Andy. I
think he wants to try both. He wanted me to support him to Mun, but I said
no. That probably means he'll try for Hol, unless you have some arrangement
with him (like a bounce) to keep that from happening.
FWIW, Tony assures me that Kie will not be able to operate against Den, but
that's not really telling either of us much.
I should be able to get press in for the next little bit. It's apparently the
only time I'm available for such things. :(
--- Eric
Message from France to England
Yes, I can do the bounce on in Holland, if you'd like. I did suggest you
take Ber; I was merely trying to feel out what was going to happen next
turn.
So bounce in Hol, and I suppose I should support Tony just to keep
Russia from growing.
Erik
Message from England to France
Erik -
> Yes, I can do the bounce on in Holland, if you'd like. I did suggest you
> take Ber; I was merely trying to feel out what was going to happen next
> turn.
Ok. Good.
> So bounce in Hol, and I suppose I should support Tony just to keep
> Russia from growing.
Excellent. I feel like we are getting on track.
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> So are you taking the support?
;-) I began a follow up to you but realized you hadn't responded yet. I
was going to point out, we still hadn't actually *agreed* to do it.
Perhaps you are a lawyer, too. . .
Yes, I am taking the support. Please tell me one more time you are
ordering it, because hell, I'm up this late anyway. It had crossed my mind
it might be a double-cross, but I don't know why you would cross me up with
my fleets much closer to you then to any of your possible companions. . .
> Erik is weighing the pros and cons of attacking you vs. attacking Andy. I
> think he wants to try both. He wanted me to support him to Mun, but I said
> no. That probably means he'll try for Hol, unless you have some
arrangement
> with him (like a bounce) to keep that from happening.
I'm such a moron I only just thought of a bounce earlier today. But he
agreed to it, so hopefully. . .
> FWIW, Tony assures me that Kie will not be able to operate against Den,
but
> that's not really telling either of us much.
True.
> I should be able to get press in for the next little bit. It's apparently
the
> only time I'm available for such things. :(
Good lord, it's late here. If it wasn't move night, I'd already be in bed.
. .
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
> > Yes, I can do the bounce on in Holland, if you'd like. I did suggest you
> > take Ber; I was merely trying to feel out what was going to happen next
> > turn.
> Ok. Good.
This meant, yes, let's bounce.
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
Ok, I'm going to bed.
I'm counting on the supports & I'll be one mad Baltimorean if you don't
order them.
Ben
Message from Russia to England
The only reason I can think of to double-cross you would be to ensure Tony
keeps his two armies. But since that would mean that you would end up
retreating retreat into Bal, that seems a poor plan. :)
--- Eric
Austria: Army Trieste SUPPORT Russian Army Budapest → Serbia
Austria: Army Vienna → Budapest (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Helgoland Bight → Kiel
England: Fleet Kiel → Berlin
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean HOLD
England: Fleet North Sea → Holland (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Skagerrak → North Sea (*bounce*)
France: Army Belgium → Holland (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon → Marseilles
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Portugal
France: Fleet Portugal → Spain (south coast)
Germany: Army Munich → Berlin (*bounce, destroyed*)
Germany: Army Ruhr → Kiel (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Greece → Albania
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Adriatic Sea
Italy: Army Piedmont SUPPORT Army Tuscany → Venice
Italy: Army Tuscany → Venice
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea → Ionian Sea
Russia: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Army Budapest → Serbia
Russia: Fleet Denmark SUPPORT English Fleet Helgoland Bight → Kiel
Russia: Fleet Rumania HOLD
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT English Fleet Kiel → Berlin
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Norway (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Sweden → Norway (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Fleet Eastern Mediterranean
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria → Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Rumania (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea
Turkey: Army Galicia → Budapest (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Galicia → Budapest (*dislodged*)
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