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Germany: Fleet Denmark can retreat to Helgoland Bight
France: Army Ruhr can retreat to Belgium
Message from Germany to England
Well Ben I dont blame you. I hope that my move to Sweden proves that I have turned a new leaf.
I am hoping that you will take Norway as well now. I wont go for Denmark, trust me on this one. I need an ally.
It looks like FR are joining up. No doubt you will be next. No doubt France sold SPA - MAO as a pre-move to WES.
I look at it this way, he gets Holland (and maybe MUN). I could retake Holland and maybe guard MUN but if I am to fall without an ally then I have to ensure someone (france) gets big.
With a build in BRE and maybe another army you will be squashed between FR.
I hope the map now gives you a reason to look at an alliance with me.
Once again I am willing to forget DEN. Take Norway. If I get a good feedback I will go after Holland and try and keep MUN. Let me know.
Message from Germany to Russia
Hmmmmm, this may now cost you Norway as well.
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Am I glad I didnt go for PUR/SIL.
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> hahahahahahahahahahaha
> This must be the thousand time I have done this.
> There truely is no bigger idiot than Tony
> Vernon. get your votes in in pinnacle-d :-)
LOL. You know, the observers of C2 might be in a better position to judge.
. .
Anyway I do not know what I will do yet. There were some surprises in the
East and the West and now I have to put my ear to the rail and listen for
oncoming trains.
Ben
Message from Austria to Germany
> Am I glad I didnt go for PUR/SIL.
Good for you.
Philippe
Message from Germany to England
Hi Ben, wasnt this broadcast in the yahoo vermont group??
I am now completely lost ;-)
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> Message from benjamin.harris@mindspring.com as England to Germany in 'c2':
>
> Tony -
> > hahahahahahahahahahaha
> > This must be the thousand time I have done this.
> > There truely is no bigger idiot than Tony
> > Vernon. get your votes in in pinnacle-d :-)
> LOL. You know, the observers of C2 might be in a better position to judge.
> . .
>
> Anyway I do not know what I will do yet. There were some surprises in the
> East and the West and now I have to put my ear to the rail and listen for
> oncoming trains.
>
> Ben
>
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Hi Ben, wasnt this broadcast in the yahoo vermont group??
[doublechecking, heart racing] I clipped your post to VG and forwarded it to
you here. Now, having checked, I see my press was not also sent out on VG,
unless I'm overlooking it somehow.
> I am now completely lost ;-)
See this is what I was talking about before. If you choose not to be good,
then the expectations you have for yourself will be lower.
Ben
Message from Germany to England
We are getting there.......
> Tony -
> > Hi Ben, wasnt this broadcast in the yahoo vermont group??
> [doublechecking, heart racing] I clipped your post to VG and forwarded it to
> you here. Now, having checked, I see my press was not also sent out on VG,
> unless I'm overlooking it somehow.
NO, I ment my origional broadcast. I am glad to see it was sent to vermont group.
>
> > I am now completely lost ;-)
> See this is what I was talking about before. If you choose not to be good,
> then the expectations you have for yourself will be lower.
>
> Ben
But I have improved my ways as you noticed, now all I nee is encouragement. Force your wil upon me, make me good ;-)
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> But I have improved my ways as you noticed, now all I nee > is
encouragement. Force your wil upon me, make me good ;-)
I am not sure you will benefit from the wisdom of a person whose ambition is
to survive as a one center puppet in STP.
Ben
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
Sadly, I think you are correct. If I had been online longer, I would have
tried harder to get you to take Ska as I suggested in my last message. That
would have been better for both of us. But that's not meant as a complaint --
I'm the one that was out of touch most of the week, so I'll take the blame on
this one.
Good moves around Ruh though.
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Russia
> I'm the one that was out of touch most of the week, so I'll take the blame
on
this one.>
Well if there is one thing I have learned is that it is never to late to
make ammends in diplomacy.
Message from Germany to England
Ben, just out of curiosity did Eric do as he said he would in Scandinavia?
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Ben, just out of curiosity did Eric do as he
> said he would in Scandinavia?
Yes. This time.
What do you make of the (South)East?
Ben
Message from Germany to England
Well Russia is becoming very powerful.
I was a little sceptic of the AI press to join them Especially of Italy. The
build didn't tally either.
I pressed them stating I needed to know more and questioned if they were
really together. Austria obviously didnt trust Italy fully but he was hoping
for an alliance to stop the RT onslaught.As long as Italy continues to grow
then he hasnt much to worry about. It doesnt look as yet that France will be
giving him any trouble.
I dont think Russia will want Turkey to grow, once Austria falls then Turkey
will be squashed between IR.
I am also expecting RF to cooporate this fall move on MUN. I have a feeling
Russia will ask for MUN. He will no doubt approach you and offer help into
Kiel, although he and France could go for that too. BEL pushes to HOL, HOL
pushes to KIE supported by BAL in return for support into MUN. If they are
coming after you next then they will have to make their move soon. MAO -
IRI, MAR - SPA build in BRE. Build in STP. I think you, Austria and I will
be BBQ.
Thats the way I see things developing. It will be interesting to see what
happens around Greece. The Turk may sell some story to Austria about
supporting him to Serbia. At the same time he would support himself to
Greece from BUL supported by AEG. I wouldnt be surprised to see an RT
emerge. I think will be a crucial fall to see who the real allies are. The
only main concern for Russia for a solo is to grab as much as he can in the
north/west, this means he has to grab less in the south. He will be pushing
you for eveything it is worth to stay allied. He will obviously push France
to set your mind at ease but I think he will offer France support into MUN
and or KIE but take BER himself instead and push GAL - SIL. It will be an
interesting fall. Once again I will pledge only not to attack DEN. I am
thinking hard what to do retake HOL or try and stop the Russian. If Russia
grabs a build then I think we will see the RF vs E next year.
Message from Germany to Germany
I am slowly trying to get Ben to see the full picture. I am sure FR and RT
are the main alliances for now. I expect to see Russia to turn on Turkey as
soon as he can. He doesnt want the Turk or the Italian becoming to strong
because this means that he will have to grab SC's in the north/west. He will
wish to remain a major player in the south and eat away at germany and
england asap. Ben has to see that the time is ripe to work with me.
Message from Germany to Austria and Italy
Interesting developments down there. I wonder if it will be RI against T
after Austria falls or RT against I.
Message from Germany to France
RUH - dislodged, do you wish to surrender now?
I bet the Russian will push you to cut MUN & KIE. He will push for Berlin
and push GAL to SIL.
He must just be a little worried about England right now. So, is it time for
the push to IRI and SPA and a build in BRe? I wouldnt believe Russia if he
offers to support you into MUN or KIE especially if that is combined with a
request to move to IRI this fall. This would definitely mean that he wants
to take BER and for you to take the English pressure off him. Good luck.
Message from Germany to Russia
Tricky times for you. If you can sway England to stay with you I will be
impressed. All I can offer him is Norway and Denmark.
Message from Austria to Germany and Italy
> Interesting developments down there. I wonder if it will be RI against T
> after Austria falls or RT against I.
T is definitely a puppet, but it's hard to know who own him.
Message from Italy to Austria and Germany
>
> > Interesting developments down there. I wonder if it will be RI against T
> > after Austria falls or RT against I.
>
> T is definitely a puppet, but it's hard to know who own him.
>
That is a wise statement.
Message from Russia to Germany
>Tricky times for you. If you can sway England to stay with you I will be
>impressed. All I can offer him is Norway and Denmark.
Yeah, and he doesn't need your help either. I realized after the builds
that it was a mistake to leave Scandinavia so wide open, but after the
builds was too late.
You said something about it never being too late to make amends. I agree
with that philosophy, but I'm honestly at a loss for how we can do that
right now. If you have any specific ideas I'm open to suggestions.
I thought about using your password to submit favorable orders, but decided
that was a bad idea. :)
(That is completely a joke -- I would not do that even if I thought I could
get away with it.)
--- Eric
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
Thanks for putting so much thought into your response. I'm still digging
through it - busy day. I'll write tomorrow, if I get a chance.
Ben
Message from Turkey to all
Guys, I'll be offline Wednesday to Sunday for Thanksgiving. I'll make
sure to reply to everyone then.
jason
Message from France to Germany
Surrender? When I'm one of three people in a position to grab and/or hold
your territory after this turn? Funny. I am concerned about Russia and
England, though, so I am, as always willing to talk. Iri is a great move,
particularly if I can be sure that the English won't get a build this
turn. Perhaps he would be willing to consider supporting you back into
Denmark just for the sake of denying the English build. He is worried
about them in Scandanvia, I believe.
Erik
France: Army Ruhr → Belgium
Germany: Fleet Denmark → Helgoland Bight
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