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Message from Germany to Russia
Hello Eric, I am back again. Unbelieveable but the events over the past few
days really had me tied up. One abandonment which I was unable to undo. One
stupid build which allowed someone to solo and the rest to lose instead of a
certain 4 way.
Putting on my TATICAL map and erasing all history of the game and assuming
that this was no-press and I just took over Russia I would order.
a ser - bul
f rum s ser - bul
f sev s rum
a ukr - gal
a sil s ukr - gal
a war - pru
a stp - nwy
a swe s stp - nwy
f den - bal
a boh - vie
a mun - bur
I usually move tactically as if it were no-press and sort the diplomacy out
afterwards ;-)
I usually play all games in this manner, except this one. I think that that
was my downfall.
Good luck, any questions let me know. I am not privvy to any negotiations
before this move but even if I was I would probably still make these moves
and see what diplomacy would or would not effect them. I would only change
them if you were 100% sure.
p.s. As a player in the game I have an intrest in its outcome. I dont care
who solo's as long as someone does ;-) Stay on top and I am all yours
hehehehe
Tony
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
Sorry, I don't have your mail at hand so don't know your specific
recommendations. But I did read and appreciate it and will look it over again
before submitting final moves.
Overall, strategically do you think it's worth it trying to hold Scandinavia
against Ben to let Erik have a chance to hit him from behind, or let Ben grow
more easily in hopes that he'll then move on Erik? My bets are that Erik will
attack south initially, so my concern about resisting Ben too hard is that if
France gets to Tun and is strong enough to turn north and fight Ben, then
he'll have a serious solo threat.
Just trying to figure out which way to play it strategically. And I miss your
two armies alot right now!
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Russia
Hi Eric.
No matter which way you look at it you have to swap SC for SC with Ben.
Norway and Denmark as lost. One advantage is that England cant hurt you to
much with just fleets. I am guessing that he will be convoying to Holland
and pushing for the NWG. You really want EF fighting. I dont see that
happening in the short term. How is your relationship with Italy? The moves
I mentioned were based on Russia versus the rest of the world.
Diplomacy wise I would hook up with Italy and go after Turkey and Austria,
whilst at the same time keeping your losses/gains in the north in balance.
A strong Italy who can hold up France may force Ben to go after Erik. For
now BEn will stick to the north. Italy I am sure would jump at an alliance.
I think that you and hime need to clear out VIE/TRI this year for sure.
Maybe an attack of ven - tri supported by ADR with you covering TYR and
cutting VIE whilst sev hits bla supported by rum, war hits gal, ser hits
bul, ion hits aeg and alb hits gre. PIE should move to VEN. WIth you in TYR
then vie falls as does tri. You may end up in BUL and or BLA. Italy is able
to push his fleets into TYS and ION for the fall.
It is the best I can come up with for now. You may lose DEN/MUN but pick up
VIE in return.
My gut feeling though says cover NWY, take BER hold onto MUN and work out a
nice deal around vie/tri/bul/bla.
Ben would be a fool not to go for DEN and NWY, you just have to limit the
damage. Either way you lose two up north but gain one. You need to
compensate the loss of the one down south. VIE seems the best bet. Anything
that comes out of Turkey will be an added bonus. I wouldnt worry about the
EF fighting/alliance on the short term. Get Italy on your side for this year
and sort the mess out next year. Damage control and unit concentration for
gains next year should I believe be the strategy. Diplomacy with Italy up
front for now, worry about EF later. At worst you end up in an EFR draw.
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
Your input is requested:
You suggested Sev S Rum, Rum S Ser-Bul, Ser-Bul.
So I assume this means you expect Bla S Bul-Rum, Bul-Rum, Gal-??? (probably
-Bud), yes?
I'm asking because there are two things I'm weighing: (1) would Jason really
order Bla S Bul-Rum when that might lose Bul (I was expecting Bul S Bla-Rum)?
and (2) will Andy move Ion-Gre to support Jason or will he leave it in place
in case Erik attacks him? If Andy is going to leave Gre open, it gives me a
lot more to think about in terms of how to press Jason. So I'd like to hear
your thoughts on how likely that move is.
And thanks for the reminder to try to work with Italy. Andy has been pretty
clear that he won't work with the board leader, so I haven't been trying hard
at all (Bad diplomat, Eric!). Thanks to your reminder, I've started up
serious communications again. I think he also doesn't like the fact that I've
been working with Austria, not just because it hurts him, but because Austria
and he really seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot with one another.
So are you still in contact with any other players at the moment?
Sorry to read about all your problems with the other games. I follow vtgroup
pretty closely (as I do all my incoming press) but I've tried to focus my
diplomacy-related press sending on games that I'm supposed to be playing in.
:)
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Russia
My move suggestions were twofolod. One where you pretend the whole world is
hostile and diplome afterwards. The other suggestion was if you were allied
with Italy.
Yes, I gave up on AI from the very start. Just couldnt get those twop to
work together even when it was needed. Italy did help at one stage so he is
certainly open to ideas.
Italy may indeed be worried about a french attack. Basically I think he
needs a build and fast, play on that. TRI is there for the taking. He needs
to keep ION in place to at least slow the frenchman down. COnvince him that
if France moves to far east then Ben will attack him from behind.
He knows you and BEn are close so he should swallow that. You need him to
assist you this spring for sure. Offer him to cut VIE and maybe even support
him into TRI from SER.
I fear he may call off the attack and move ION to TYS and ALB - ION
supported by ADR.
As I said your main aim is damgage control. For every SC lost this year you
need to regain one. At least keep forces concentrated for an offensive next
year. SER is out on a limb and BUD is lost.
By cutting TRI/VIE and GAL you can at least bounce SER in BUD for the
spring.
So in alliance with Italy I would now suggest RUM - BLA supported by SEV.
WAR - GAL supported by UKR. BOH - VIE and get Italy to attack TRI, SER -
BUD.
I usually tend to play my games where I assume the whole world is hostile
unless I have a very good ally/allies. Italy I believe is your key to
success. If you would have stuck with me when you first turned against me
then you wouldnt be in this mess ;-)
Your north is in real danger. Turkey and Austria offer you the best growth.
With EF on friendly terms the future is a little bleak. I think giving up on
Denmark and MUN offers you the best choice of forcing EF troops to clash in
central europe. Let them eat off each other.
There I would probably go den - kie and attack BER from MUN supported by
SIL.
Cover NWY wuith two units just to slow him down a little. You need to make
up down south.
BER retreating to BAL isnt good but he may move there anyway and force you
out of DEN. You could gamble and attack BER with two and try for the bounce
in BAL. Have you tried getting BEn to convoy to holland with an offer of an
alliance against france? I know he wanted to move of France and France
doesnt trust him to much. For now they are out of each others hair.
Maybe you can convince him to get back to MAO and ENG and move SKA to NTH
for convoy in the fall. A lot of diploming need there. I however pushed him
from day one to look north. I am amazed he still has a chance to do so. But
hey thats what you get for not siding with Germany ;-)
If I were him I would stay north and go for scandinavia and stp in the short
term. That is why I think he will convoy to HOL. No doubt Erik is asking him
to convoy to DEN or NWY.
I have not spoken to anyone else. My money is still on you but you have a
difficult year ahead.
Tony
Message from Russia to Germany
Tony,
Thanks for all the input. Here's my thoughts:
> My move suggestions were twofolod. One where you pretend the whole world
> is hostile and diplome afterwards. The other suggestion was if you were
> allied with Italy.
Well, Italy is still not necessarily interested in cooperation, though I will
admit I have not made any specific offers. I have certainly talked to him
about a French attack, but I'm not going to try to scare him too much -- he's
a good enough player to see the alternatives.
> Yes, I gave up on AI from the very start. Just couldnt get those two to
> work together even when it was needed. Italy did help at one stage so he
> is certainly open to ideas.
I was sure that they were cooperating to mislead me when they both talked
about how much they were not getting along. I was clearly mistaken.
> Offer him to cut VIE and maybe even support him into TRI from SER.
> I fear he may call off the attack and move ION to TYS and ALB - ION
> supported by ADR.
Have you been watching Philippe's moves recently? Would it really be bad for
me if Italy called off the attack and backed away? Philippe might actually
press for Ven if that happened.
> As I said your main aim is damgage control.
I agree 100%.
> For every SC lost this year you need to regain one.
Sadly, I'm reasonably certain I'll go down 1 at least.
> At least keep forces concentrated for an
> offensive next year. SER is out on a limb and BUD is lost.
> By cutting TRI/VIE and GAL you can at least bounce SER in BUD for
> the spring.
That's what I'm hoping for.
> So in alliance with Italy I would now suggest RUM - BLA supported by
> SEV. WAR - GAL supported by UKR. BOH - VIE and get Italy to attack TRI,
> SER - BUD.
And what if you assume that Austria is more interested in punishing Andy than
in getting centers from me?
> I usually tend to play my games where I assume the whole world is
> hostile unless I have a very good ally/allies. Italy I believe is your
> key to success.
I'm more willing to trust in others than that, though I understand your
point.
> If you would have stuck with me when you first turned against me
> then you wouldnt be in this mess ;-)
That may well be true! I think of all the players in the north I understood
you the best, and we could have made great allies. I know for a fact that Ben
never would have allied with you, which is why I was willing to trust that
keeping your armies around wasn't a danger to me. I didn't eliminate you out
of spite -- that was also damage control. I looked at where we could get your
armies, and I didn't think they'd be able to counteract his attacks on
Scandinavia if that happened. So making him happy seemed more important than
position in that case.
> With EF on friendly terms the future is a little bleak. I think giving
> up on Denmark and MUN offers you the best choice of forcing EF troops to >
clash in central europe. Let them eat off each other.
> There I would probably go den - kie and attack BER from MUN supported
> by SIL.
Well, I have considered that, but I'm currently looking at a different way of
getting them fighting.
> Cover NWY wuith two units just to slow him down a little. You need to
> make up down south.
Agreed.
> Have you tried getting BEn to convoy to holland with an offer of an
> alliance against france? I know he wanted to move on France and France
> doesnt trust him to much.
Absolutely.
> Maybe you can convince him to get back to MAO and ENG and move SKA to
> NTH for convoy in the fall. A lot of diploming need there. I however
> pushed him from day one to look north. I am amazed he still has a
> chance to do so. But hey thats what you get for not siding with
> Germany ;-)
Well, I think I know most of what you pushed him to do. :) That's part of why
I didn't work with you as closely as I might have otherwise.
> If I were him I would stay north and go for scandinavia and stp in the
> short term. That is why I think he will convoy to HOL.
I'm glad you're not him. But we'll see what he does.
> No doubt Erik is asking him to convoy to DEN or NWY.
Yeah, but I think they both know that they are still bound to fight -- it's
just a question of how much I have to be hurt before they are ready to do so.
> I have not spoken to anyone else. My money is still on you but you have
> a difficult year ahead.
I'm definitely not clear how a solo will come about. I think it's going to
take more than just good tactics, but as you say, lots of diploming. The EFI
relationships are really the big concerns for me.
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Russia
You may have to fill in the gaps on Austria. I indeed forgot he was hell
bent against Italy the last years. I always assume people when the cruch
comes fight for survival. If he is friendly the the situation in Austria
isnt that bad.
Just a selfbounce of him in BUD is enough to get GAL destroyed. I agree you
will probably go one down but you would maybe have a 50/50 chance in turkey.
I was concvinced that RT were working together from out of the gate, were
you? where did it go wrong?
Would Austria self sacrifice himself by bouncing in BUD? Then you have
enough units to HOLD rum and destroy GAL and try for PRU/SIL/BAL. That would
be the easiest way for down souht.
Looking back at the map last year you would have been better off (especially
if you knew Bens moves to a degree of certainty) supporting me to BER and
KIE. He would have had to disband one. I would have been no threat as such.
I dont know why but I feel Erik will push a unit at MUN and RUH. But knowing
he doesnt really trust BEn that seems unlikely. If you get Ben to MAO and
ENG and SKA - NTH I will be impressed but there again he may just well do
it.
Austria: Army Trieste → Budapest
Austria: Army Vienna SUPPORT Army Trieste → Budapest
England: Fleet Berlin → Baltic Sea (*bounce*)
England: Army Edinburgh → North Sea → Holland
England: Fleet Kiel → Denmark
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean → Norwegian Sea
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Edinburgh → Holland
England: Fleet Skagerrak SUPPORT Fleet Kiel → Denmark
France: Army Belgium HOLD
France: Army Burgundy → Marseilles
France: Fleet Marseilles → Gulf of Lyon
France: Army Paris → Burgundy
France: Fleet Portugal → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) → Western Mediterranean
Italy: Fleet Adriatic Sea SUPPORT Army Venice → Trieste
Italy: Fleet Albania SUPPORT Army Venice → Trieste
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece
Italy: Army Piedmont → Tyrolia (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste
Russia: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Munich → Tyrolia
Russia: Fleet Denmark → Baltic Sea (*bounce, dislodged*)
Russia: Army Munich → Tyrolia
Russia: Fleet Rumania → Sevastopol
Russia: Army Serbia → Rumania (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Armenia
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Warsaw → Galicia
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Norway
Russia: Army Sweden SUPPORT Army St Petersburg → Norway
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Army Serbia → Rumania
Russia: Army Warsaw → Galicia
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea → Constantinople
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Galicia → Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Galicia → Rumania
Turkey: Army Galicia → Rumania
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