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England: Removes 1 unit
France: Builds 2 units
Germany: Builds 1 unit
Italy: Builds 1 unit
Russia: Builds 2 units
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
What did you say to me a season ago....
*How can we work together if I dont know what you are doing*
Well, you knew what I was doing and you screwed me.
You didnt need that build. You were already building. And instead all you
have to do is tap Budapest and you guarantee me Serbia...
So...help me out here, how are we working together again??
I just want to hear it...in your words...
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
And I would appreciate it if you would pull the fleet in Picardy.
Message from Italy to Russia
Sorry about that...wrong game.
Message from Russia to Italy
Oh well,
I'm up at 5:00am because I wanted to undo my moves in the south. Fat lot of
comfort that will give you, but I'm not happy with the move either.
What it comes down to is that I just didn't trust Jason to hold Rum. First
he asked me to tap Rum so that he could get support you to Ser but you
wouldn't get it. Then later -- after I balked at tapping Rum -- he claimed
that he was going to get you to Ser but build F Smy and attack you. That
didn't make sense either -- why would he help you to a center if he was
abbout to attack you.
I pointedly asked him about how we would avoid RT fighting, and expressed
concerns that he would build F Ank and come after me. His response was to
say that he wanted you to have Ser and that you agreed to give him Gre, and
that was fine with him. Not comforting, and I kind of panicked (I know, you
think I'm a good player, but that's only secondhand information). So I
entered the anti-T moves and went to bed. The fact that they hurt you were
an unfortunate side effect. The fact that I hit Jason with a fleet was
probably dumb too -- it gives Philippe a lot more space than I intended.
So, in short, I realize that I screwed you with my moves. They made sense
when I entered them, but they look dumb now.
I'm going back to bed, but I'll look for your response later.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
Not back in bed yet.
Clearly I was not primarily focused on helping you, I was just trying to
defend my own position.
As noted, I didn't want the build. I wanted to make sure Jason did not have
A Rum, F BLa and a build while he was sounding anti-Russian. A better move
would have been to either take it with the Army (so I could support you to
Ser next season) or just let it go through and hope that you kept Jason in
line.
So I agree with you that I screwed up. It just that my acknowledgement and
apology doesn't help the board position much.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
If it isn't clear, the first of my messages came before getting your
message. The second was sent after seeing your.
Okay, I'm really going to bed now.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
>
> Clearly I was not primarily focused on helping you, I was just trying to
> defend my own position.
Clearly...:-)
Your second statement makes no sense though, you werent threatened by
anyone. At least no threat you couldnt rebuff.
> As noted, I didn't want the build. I wanted to make sure Jason did not have
> A Rum, F BLa and a build while he was sounding anti-Russian. A better move
> would have been to either take it with the Army (so I could support you to
> Ser next season) or just let it go through and hope that you kept Jason in
> line.
Well, the plan was to get my two builds and hem him in. I cant do that
with just one build and Austria dying to attack me.
> So I agree with you that I screwed up. It just that my acknowledgement and
> apology doesn't help the board position much.
Very true.
What can we do to fix it.
Message from England to all
Greetings all. I will be travelling through Friday - maybe Saturday - and
will correspond as much as I can.
Ben
Message from Germany to all
Hahahahahaha I hope none of you are observers to the PINNACLE VGFP 2002-2004
tournament via yahoo groups.
I posted my password, moves and press to the user group. Thanks to Doug for
pointing that out.
Message from Russia to Italy
> [paraphrase] those two statements don't make sense. There was no attack
> that you couldn't have rebuffed.
If they made lots of sense then I wouldn't be compaining that my moves were
bad. It was basically a misorder because it came so late. I was just
explaining where it came from, not that it made sense.
> [paraphrase] how do we fix it?
Well, I've set up a situation where either I give up my gains or press
against T. If I press the attack, you could shift your focus to Turkey
(temporarily), you should be able to pick up easy gains since I'd be pinning
him. I think a true AR vs IT which could get bogged down easily, but if we do
some moves that make those look to be the case, maybe we could get you into
Bul or me into Bud/Rum, at which point we've got the initiative back is
pretty much stuck. I could also see you considering AI. While I don't like
the idea that AI might encourage Philippe to attack me overland (I imagine
AIR vs. T would be a hard sell), if you could get him to take Bul, then
Philippe's be in no position to support all of his centers.
Basically, the good news for you is that I am now probably everyone's
lightning rod down here. That more than anything is why I think that was a
bad move on my part. Much better to have you get all of the builds and have
everyone screaming about you, both because you're not me :) and because we'd
be better positioned.
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Italy
Interesting little war going on down there.
Message from Turkey to Italy
Well, Russia claims he panicked, and Austria is giving me his sad story
once again.
Not sure what to do here. France has two builds, and is breathing down
your neck. Russia has two builds, and might decide I'm too much trouble.
Germany's in no position to counter anyone.
I'm going for a fleet this turn, not to go against you, but mostly
because an army will only freak Russia out completely.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Well, Russia claims he panicked, and Austria is giving me his sad story
> once again.
You know that is crap.
> Not sure what to do here. France has two builds, and is breathing down
> your neck. Russia has two builds, and might decide I'm too much trouble.
> Germany's in no position to counter anyone.
I would suggest defending yourself. AR is coming. I will hinder A as much
as I can.
> I'm going for a fleet this turn, not to go against you, but mostly
> because an army will only freak Russia out completely.
I dont recommend it. But its your call
Message from England to all
Ok, I have *occasional* access - maybe about once per day, evenings my
time, for short periods, while I'm away.
I'll be up to full speed over the weekend.
Ben
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Eric screwed me in 02. Still if you can help repair that bridge, I
think Eric wants to see me attack Tony & I will comply, if Eric will
assist me, instead of taking my dots.
What do you think
and
What can you do to help.
Thanks.
Ben
Message from Italy to France
Erik...
That wasnt nice.
England says you screwed him. But is still willing to work with you
against Tony.
Go make nice with him. Please
Thanks
Andy
Bones Heal
Chicks Dig Scars
Pain is Temporary
Glory is Forever
- Rugby Proverb
Message from Italy to England
> Andy -
> Eric screwed me in 02. Still if you can help repair that bridge, I
> think Eric wants to see me attack Tony & I will comply, if Eric will
> assist me, instead of taking my dots.
Im working on it.
I want to see how he responds to my note.
Message from Turkey to Italy
So, do you think A Ank or F Ank makes more sense?
Obviously, I could use a support in Bul as well, if you could.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> So, do you think A Ank or F Ank makes more sense?
> Obviously, I could use a support in Bul as well, if you could.
>
You have my support, and I would build an army, its a bigger threat to
Russia.
Message from France to Italy
Andy:
> Erik...
>
> That wasnt nice.
Taking Belgium wasn't nice? Taking Portugal wasn't nice? What? Is there a
Portugese player that I don't know about?
> England says you screwed him. But is still willing to work with you
> against Tony.
I'm not sure how. I certainly haven't screwed him as far as I can tell. In
fact, I put a lot of effort into trying to get Norway back to his control.
If I screwed anyone in the process, it was Tony, but I've been messing
with him all game.
So where did you reach these, uh, conclusions?
> Go make nice with him. Please
>
Just a reminder, Andy: this is c2, the comments game. You must be playing
in multiple games and getting confused, because your comments to me aren't
really reflective of any reality I can see.
Of course, maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture. In that case, I'd love
to be filled in.
Erik
Message from Italy to France
> >
> > That wasnt nice.
>
> Taking Belgium wasn't nice? Taking Portugal wasn't nice? What? Is there a
> Portugese player that I don't know about?
>
I think they were both very nice.
> > England says you screwed him. But is still willing to work with you
> > against Tony.
>
> I'm not sure how. I certainly haven't screwed him as far as I can tell. In
> fact, I put a lot of effort into trying to get Norway back to his control.
> If I screwed anyone in the process, it was Tony, but I've been messing
> with him all game.
>
> So where did you reach these, uh, conclusions?
>
From the press the English sent me asking me to mediate getting you two
back on the same page.
His words were....France screwed me in 02', but I still want to work with
him.
> > Go make nice with him. Please
>
> Just a reminder, Andy: this is c2, the comments game. You must be playing
> in multiple games and getting confused, because your comments to me aren't
> really reflective of any reality I can see.
>
> Of course, maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture. In that case, I'd love
> to be filled in.
Im not confusing anything, I am just passing on the request of the
English.
You should talk to him.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric...
So what is the plan.
Message from Russia to Italy
I thought I sent you a long-ish note yesterday or the day before.
In any case, I had asked you much the same thing. Clearly after the move I'm
in a position to press Jason. You could take advantage of that (with or
without trying to get Philippe's help) to pick up a quick build or two -- if
he builds F Ank, which is likely, he's open in Smy, especially if you force
Bul to disband. That would give us enough to pressure Philippe while still
letting you head west.
That seems like the best bet currently for IR cooperation, given that Jason
hasn't sent me any press (thus I assume we're at all-out war). I don't like
it, but as noted earlier I kind of dictated that with my move.
Alternately, you could see if Jason will still help you against Philippe
(whether or not he is coming after me) and try for Ser again. That might be
successful in the Spring, and depending on how the Spring moves go I should
be able to help ensure it come Fall.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
> I thought I sent you a long-ish note yesterday or the day before.
>
> In any case, I had asked you much the same thing. Clearly after the move I'm
> in a position to press Jason. You could take advantage of that (with or
> without trying to get Philippe's help) to pick up a quick build or two -- if
> he builds F Ank, which is likely, he's open in Smy, especially if you force
> Bul to disband. That would give us enough to pressure Philippe while still
> letting you head west.
I think I have an idea....but I need your help.
Can you tap Budapest in the spring?
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason....definitely ....build the Fleet in Ankara,
I have a plan....it gets me SErbia in the spring and you Rum (and maybe
SEV) in the fall
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Thanks.
Keep me posted. Russian & French interests seem to be that
I should attack Germany - I should think it's what they both
want.
They just need to know it.
Ben
Message from Turkey to Italy
Gotcha. F Ank ordered.
jason
Message from Russia to Italy
I *can* tap Bud. What's that gonna help? (That's a normal question, not an
indignant one).
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> I *can* tap Bud. What's that gonna help? (That's a normal question, not an
> indignant one).
It gets me Serbia.
Assuming you dont attack Bulgaria.
Message from Russia to Italy
Gotcha. By "I've got a plan" I thought you meant something grander. :)
I expect that should work out fine, presuming you are willing to use that
position to squeeze Jason, and not help him against me. In any case, I have
no plans to tap Bul at this point.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
> Gotcha. By "I've got a plan" I thought you meant something grander. :)
>
> I expect that should work out fine, presuming you are willing to use that
> position to squeeze Jason, and not help him against me. In any case, I have
> no plans to tap Bul at this point.
Excellent then...we are on
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy --
Sorry, I got pulled into 5 hours of meetings after my last message to you,
and then lost a bunch of mail (only mail from yesterday was affected). I
think I had the chance to read it all once before it got deleted, but I'm
playing a little catchup since then.
In my last messages I had asked was what comes of me tapping Bud. You
indicated that means you get Ser. I get that. I said something about
expecting a "grand scheme". The point of that statement was to ask what Ser
does once you are there. I am very aware of the fact that once AA Ser is
gone, Philippe will not like me anymore and may be of a temperament to use
those two armies in AA Bud/Vie against the nearest overland targets.
What I'd like is some sense of a plan that keeps Jason pinched between us
while keeping Philippe from turning on me. The best way I can imagine that
is by seeing some move that makes it clear that Jason regrets ordering Bul
S Gre-Ser. Without an Italian fleet pressuring Bul/Con/Smy, things look
dicey for me around the Bla.
So what's the plan beyond IA Ser?
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
> In my last messages I had asked was what comes of me tapping Bud. You
> indicated that means you get Ser. I get that. I said something about
> expecting a "grand scheme". The point of that statement was to ask what Ser
> does once you are there. I am very aware of the fact that once AA Ser is
> gone, Philippe will not like me anymore and may be of a temperament to use
> those two armies in AA Bud/Vie against the nearest overland targets.
No problem. I am building an army in Rome.
I suspect his moves will be ADR - TRI, VIE - TYR in order to bounce me
either place.
I am going to let him make those moves
Move ION - ADR, TUN - ION, and convoy the other army to GRE in the Fall.
I get SER and build 1.
Once I am in SER and *hopefully* his army is in Tyrolia, I simply support
you to Budapest.
We each get 1.
then we get to figure you how I am going to catch up to you in center
count.
I am currently 2 behind you.
> What I'd like is some sense of a plan that keeps Jason pinched between us
> while keeping Philippe from turning on me. The best way I can imagine that
> is by seeing some move that makes it clear that Jason regrets ordering Bul
> S Gre-Ser. Without an Italian fleet pressuring Bul/Con/Smy, things look
> dicey for me around the Bla.
I think I can help keep Jason in check, he has pretty much listened to
anything I have said for a while now.
He asked me what to build, and I left it up to him, I didnt want to tip my
hand. But we can keep him in circles for a year there, and then move on
him...
Is this suitable to you
Andy
Message from France to Italy
Andy:
I don't know why England's miffed, but I'm doing my best to make nice. I
do NOT want him cooperating with Tony, I can tell you that much.
So once you guys chew up Austria, what then? Obviously, I'd be more
comfortable seeing you and Russia take on Turkey than see you head west,
but I'm also getting a little wary of unchecked Russian growth. What do
you think?
Erik
Message from Italy to France
> Andy:
>
> I don't know why England's miffed, but I'm doing my best to make nice. I
> do NOT want him cooperating with Tony, I can tell you that much.
Did you get my email over the weekend.
He isnt miffed at you, I misunderstood him, and he is miffed at the other
Eric.
> So once you guys chew up Austria, what then? Obviously, I'd be more
> comfortable seeing you and Russia take on Turkey than see you head west,
> but I'm also getting a little wary of unchecked Russian growth. What do
> you think?
Unchecked Russian Growth is not good....Turkey is the plan
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
I'm removing the army & pressing on.
Put in a good word for me with Russia, please.
Ben
England: REMOVE Army Yorkshire
France: BUILD Fleet Marseilles
France: BUILD Army Paris
Germany: BUILD Army Berlin
Italy: BUILD Army Rome
Russia: BUILD Army Sevastopol
Russia: BUILD Army Warsaw
Turkey: BUILD Fleet Smyrna
Centers
Austria: 4
England: 3
France: 6
Germany: 5
Italy: 5
Russia: 7
Turkey: 4
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