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Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
>How refreshing that somebody actually cares about little ol' Italy.
We care, we care. But it's easy to love someone who is not your neighbor!
>I seem to have a good thing going out east and would hate to waste what
>seems like a glorious opportunity.
Clear and to the point. I will not say anything to your eastern neighbors.
> When I look west, all I see are
>countries with 5 units.
Next time you look, two of them will have more than 5 units. If one of
them is France ... well, we all know who France targets next.
>Now, if, and it's a big if, I could get assurance from Germany, in writing,
>that he wanted to take on France, I might change my mind.
"if" and "might" don't give me much to work with!
> As you point out,
>he's a poor communicator.
Our boy is improving. Let's see if I can get him to talk to you in a
timely fashion.
>Feel free to spill the English intentions anytime you like. :)
I must choose between EF or EG. Italian help in the Med would make the
choice a no-brainer and the task trivial. No Italian help makes the choice
very difficult. Please keep this to yourself.
Your candid friend,
Ivy Wingo
Message from Master to all
A player said:
>In games that I Master, I urge the players to write an EoY (End of
>Year) statement, or statements, during the Adjustment Phase each year.
> Some players Broadcast in-character "State of the Union" speeches,
>which would be fun for the Observers, but if we each send Doug a note
>each year revealing why we made the choices we did, it will make the
>Showcase much more instructive for people to read later.
.
.
.
>Some of these questions might be addressed in EoGs, but
>others will be overlooked, and the answers may reveal the differences
>between victory and defeat.
I wholeheartedly support this notion. This will be a showcase game,
of course, and your EoY broadcasts and just-to-master presses with
more description of your intentions are heartily encouraged. Many
beginners will no doubt rehash this game in the future, and if you're
willing to give them a glimpse of your strategy, I think it would be
a great help to them.
Either method is encouraged (broadcasts will be read by other players,
of course, whereas 'press to m' is to the silent universe that will
be reading along in years to come). Just as a reminder, though,
don't send a grey broadcast discussing the game and sign it with
your real name.
Cheers, everyone,
Doug
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Things are really looking up for you. Both Turkey and
France have built in such a fashion that they are not
threats to you. I will keep one of my fleets in the
neighborhood, just to discourage any pressure that others
may give you to attack me. But it will not be put in a
threatening position.
All set up for a Lepanto. Turkey and Russia fighting.
No Turkish fleets in the Mediterranean. No French
threat. Wow, life truly is beautiful for you!!!
-- Prince Boar
Message from Germany to Italy
Roberto:
Good to hear that you're not involved in plan to carve me up. Our
English friend shouldn't have said that. It's too easy of a story to
check out. Plus I didn't believe it, as it's tactically a mistake for
Italy.
The key is to look at the reason why Ivy would drop a story like
that on me. (Actually it was more a hint, than a story) The obvious
answer is that he doesn't want me to work with France. Duh. I wonder if
this also means that he wants to work with me against France? I think
the builds will tell. If a fleet appears in Liverpool, I think we can
both breathe easier.
Fredd
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
>I seem to have a good thing going out east and would hate to waste what
>seems like a glorious opportunity. When I look west, all I see are
>countries with 5 units. I don't see nearly that many units when I view my
>eastern horizon. As candid as I can get, I think the pickin's are easier to
>the east.
Understood. You won't see western countries with five units much longer.
Two of us, not necessarily including me, will be getting bigger. When
Germany or England is dispatched and France has grown, is it virtually
certain he will be entering the Mediterranean.
>Now, if, and it's a big if, I could get assurance from Germany, in writing,
>that he wanted to take on France, I might change my mind.
"if" and "might" are a bit too weak for me, but I appreciate your honesty.
You have always been straight with me.
>Feel free to spill the English intentions anytime you like. :)
I think I have my choice of allies. Shame me if I have to eat those words.
Your response was important to me. That's all I better say for now.
Monday is still a long way off.
Ivy Wingo
Message from Russia to Austria and Italy
Gentlemen,
We STILL have the opportunity to take Turkey out,
before he grows to big to be eliminated easily. For
your consideration:
Austria:
Gre-Aeg
Ser-Gre
Bud-Ser
Gal-Bud
Italy:
Ion-EMed
Nap-Ion
In the Fall, Tun-Ion-EMed-Smy/Syr, and
Aeg & Gre S Ser-Bul. Now, you might say that you
don't need me to do this, and strictly speaking,
that's true, but if you attack us both we will be
forced to ally, and that will slow your conquest
considerably.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
Of course, if you happen to move Tyl-Tri next
Fall, I won't be at all upset...
Nicky.
Message from Italy to Austria
With Turkey's surprise build (at least I was surprised), we have the chance
to move into both the AEG and EMS. Was just curious if you were planning on
moving gre-aeg?
Also, do you have any interest in exchanging your fleet for an army and my
Tunis army for a fleet? It would be nice for me to have another fleet at my
disposal. The sooner I can influence the west and get to France the better
our chances down the road. Also, we wouldn't have to worry about
coordinating our fleet movements in and around the Eastern Med. Just a
suggestion.
I am interested in acquiring another supply center this year. I don't
consider Smyrna to be a viable option for acquisition this year since it
would be easy for Turkey to bounce me out if I moved to the EAS. I assume
he's going to move Ank-Arm but if I threatened Smy, he'd just move Arm-Smy
in the fall. Was wondering if you had any suggestions?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> We STILL have the opportunity to take Turkey out,
> before he grows to big to be eliminated easily.
>
After thinking about it today, I would tend to agree with Russia. EG will
probably prevent Russia from getting into Sweden as STP needs to be
defended. Turkey is threatening Sev. You can prevent a Rumanian build. I
don't see Russia gaining a center anytime soon. He'll still be as weak when
Turkey is gone as he is now.
>
> but if you attack us both we will be forced to ally,
> and that will slow your conquest considerably.
>
This is the unfortunate drawback of attacking Russia first.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Austria and Russia
>
> We STILL have the opportunity to take Turkey out,
> before he grows to big to be eliminated easily.
>
I whole-heartedly agree. HOWEVER, I think Rumania should become Austrian
property in the process. Call it a good-will gesture for not pushing north
into Russian homeland. After all, the Turk was as much responsible for the
Rumanian debacle as Austria.
> For your consideration:
> Austria:
> Gre-Aeg
> Ser-Gre
> Bud-Ser
> Gal-Bud
>
> Italy:
> Ion-EMed
> Nap-Ion
>
So, I would alter the suggested moves slightly with:
Gal-Rum
Vie-Gal
In the fall, Tunis would convoy to Bulgaria with a bunch of support. Nobody
can blame me for suggesting a set of moves where Italy gains a build, right?
:)
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Of course, if you happen to move Tyl-Tri next
> Fall, I won't be at all upset...
>
It's possible but if there is an opportunity to eliminate Turkey, I'd have
to consider that a first priority.
Hope you're not too upset at my Rumanian suggestion. From what I've
gathered from Austria, he won't go along with any plan unless he gets the
best end of the trade. I'm still hoping we'll have enough influence to take
him out during the mid-game.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to England
>
> I must choose between EF or EG. Italian help in the Med
> would make the choice a no-brainer and the task trivial.
> No Italian help makes the choice very difficult.
>
How soon would you need Italian assistance? Seems clear, I have a glorious
opportunity in the east and with Russian assistance, the choice would be a
no-brainer and the task trivial (sorry to steal your words but they're
appropriate here as well). Are you planning on capitalizing on Russian
weakness in STP? If not, then I could use him to make my life easier in the
east and I'd be able to 'help in the Med' that much sooner.
I'm beating around the bush a little, but basically I think it's a priority
for Italy to neutralize the Eastern powers and gain some military strength
prior to moving west. I'm hoping that if that were to occur in the next
year or two that your offer will still be on the table.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
>
> Things are really looking up for you.
>
Thanks, but things can change in this game so fast. I can't let my guard
down or I'd be 'Russianized'.
> I will keep one of my fleets in the
> neighborhood, just to discourage any pressure that others
> may give you to attack me. But it will not be put in a
> threatening position.
>
Since you brought the subject up, can I ask where the fleet would be
positioned? MAO? SPA/nc? POR? NAO? or somewhere else?
Looking at the map it would appear that we are heading in opposite
directions and this is good. Doesn't make for great tactical press though.
Still, we should keep in touch and pass along any information we come in
contact with. If we're going to mutually defend the West Med, we both need
to be aware of what is happening in the rest of Europe.
Just curious, were the bounces in Burgundy pre-arranged or did Germany
really try twice to enter your country unprovoked?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Germany
> The key is to look at the reason why Ivy would drop a
> story like that on me. (Actually it was more a hint,
> than a story) The obvious answer is that he doesn't
> want me to work with France. Duh. I wonder if
> this also means that he wants to work with me against France?
If it helps, England has always hinted that he wants me to move into the
West Med and join an EG attack. I've resisted to this point mostly because,
well look at the map, there are excellent opportunities to the east,
opportunities that are too tempting to resist. He's never hinted that I
move north to join an EF attack on Germany.
I don't know. I get the sense though that Ivy is looking for somebody to
distract his nearest and most powerful neighbor. I don't get the feeling
he'd follow thru with an attack. What is your gut feeling about Ivy's
intentions?
> I think the builds will tell. If a fleet appears in
> Liverpool, I think we can both breathe easier.
>
Well, a fleet didn't appear in Liverpool so Ivy still has left his options
open. I assume you are going to try to move towards Sweden but do you think
England is going to go for STP?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
Let's see how close I can get in predicting moves for Spring '02:
a par - bur
a pic s a par - bur
a spa - gas
f por - mao
f bre - eng
Feel free to predict Italian orders.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to all
Van Lingle Mungo reporting for Vatican Tonight backstage with the winners of
the 1901 Titleist Awards. Not too many surprises at this years award show
but there was still plenty of excitement.
Oh wait, here comes the winner of the best unit in a supporting role.
VT: Mr Serbia, can we have a minute. That was quite a performance you put
on in the fall. Tell us about it.
Serbia: Well, I was, uh, like trying to help a friend but some Russian
sailor dudes caused some trouble and I guess the Romanian borders were
closed tight as a drum. Bummed me out. We're tired of these supporting
roles though. We're looking to ink a leading role next year.
VT: Speaking of the best unit in a leading role, look who just stopped by.
Mr Yorkshire, rumor is you get seasick. How was it you made it all the way
to Belgium?
Yorkshire: Good question. As you know, there was a contest to figure out
who Ive Wingo was. Turns out, I was the only one who knew and I won a
3-month vacation in Belgium. I haven't had a vacation in almost four years
so I couldn't pass up the chance. I blew chunks the whole way but the beach
scene here is worth it. A couple of Peptos and I'm good as new.
VT: Congratulations on the award. We look forward to your next move.
VT: Here come the two winners in the writing categories, France for best
writing of an original screenplay and Russia for best writing based on
material previously published. Gentlemen, I know you're excited but do you
care to comment on the night's proceedings?
Russia: My work stands by itself. Just because nobody else was nominated
doesn't mean my work wasn't deserving of the statue.
France: I'm stunned and honored. I've worked hard reporting the greatest
bicycle race in the world and it's nice to be recognized by the Academy. I
really didn't expect to win. Ivy and Nicky have written some great stuff
thru the year. All I can say is, thank you, thank you.
We go live now as the best director award is being presented.
And the 1901 Titleist Award for best direction goes to ..........
Archduke Ferdinand
Archduke: Thank you. This award could not have been possible without my
talented ambassadors to Europe. They do all the work and I reap the
benefits. Doesn't quite seem fair, but, then again, you said life was fair.
That's it for the 1901 Titleist Awards. We hope to see you all again next
year at this same time.
Van Lingle Mungo reporting for Vatican Tonight
Message from Italy to Master
Italy 1901 EoY statement:
Spring moves: ven-tri (pre-arranged bounce); rom-apu; nap-ion
Fall moves: ven-tyr; apu-ion-tun
Trying to keep as many options available to me as possible.
The IR alliance probably won't materialize as Russia failed to gain a build
and is in danger of attack on several fronts.
I'm going to have to choose really soon between Austria and Turkey and quite
frankly change my mind constantly. I'm probably leaning towards AI simply
because of the potential fleet presence Turkey presents. I think I'd still
have Russia as an ally possibility too.
The one thing I won't do, unless provoked, is head towards France. I know
he's powerful but my gut tells me he's telling me the truth in that he wants
me as a friend. As long as I have legitimate prospects in the east, I don't
feel the need to upset France.
Probably the move of most interest is the one to Tyrolia. I really only
made the move to get Germany to talk to me. He hadn't returned my press all
Fall phase. Turns out, the move has provided me some diplomatic
opportunities with France and England that I didn't have prior. It's also
somewhat of an Austrian setup if I choose to go that direction. Austria
asked me to go there expecting me to continue onto Boh/Sil. I'll come up
with some excuse for staying in Tyrolia though. It may even go directly to
Vienna in the spring depending on how negotiations go. Stay tuned.
Life is Beautiful,
Ken, aka Roberto
Message from England to Italy
>How soon would you need Italian assistance?
If I choose a pro-France stance, then your assistance would be moot. I
would encourage France to enter the Med and attack you as soon as possible.
That's just the way an EF alliance works. If I choose a pro-German
stance, then the war against France would be very slow and difficult. Your
help would be welome anytime then.
>Seems clear, I have a glorious
>opportunity in the east and with Russian assistance, the choice would be a
>no-brainer and the task trivial
Wow! You know something that I do not know. I have been assuming that the
two Russian units in the south have a halflife of mere minutes.
StP's fate is tied to my decision. Now that you have been abundantly clear
about the Italian direction, I am at wits end about what to do in the west.
>I'm beating around the bush a little, but basically I think it's a priority
>for Italy to neutralize the Eastern powers and gain some military strength
>prior to moving west. I'm hoping that if that were to occur in the next
>year or two that your offer will still be on the table.
Anyway, I am rooting for your success. Even if I do ally with France, I
don't want him to have a too easy time in the Med.
Ivy Wingo
Message from Italy to England
>
> Wow! You know something that I do not know. I have been
> assuming that the two Russian units in the south have a
> halflife of mere minutes.
>
Only if you, and presumably Germany as well, take a bite out of him in the
north. If not, I think he'll survive but only as a minor power to be taken
out in the mid-game.
> Now that you have been abundantly clear
> about the Italian direction, I am at wits end about what to
> do in the west.
>
> Anyway, I am rooting for your success. Even if I do ally
> with France, I don't want him to have a too easy time in
> the Med.
>
You're assuming that he'd move to the Med after you two are done with
Germany. Don't forget though, France and Italy are already allied. If you
haven't firmed up your alliance with France yet, why would he choose to give
up a game-long alliance with Italy for one with England? If I were France,
I'd approach this game by trying to secure the 17-center stalemateable (is
that a word?) line from Mar-Stp. He wouldn't even have to stab me to have a
legitimate shot at winning. But, entering the Med usually means leaving
Brest, etc exposed to the English Armada.
What I'd like to see happen is, if you choose EF, that we time our finishing
attacks so that we'd both be free to squeeze France at the same time. It'd
be just the two of us and we wouldn't have to worry about German
communication lines. It means that one of us might have to slow down their
attack just a bit depending on circumstances but allies should grow at a
similar rate anyway.
If you choose EG, I'll get there as fast as I can after the east is settled.
If your choice is not abundantly clear via the moves, please inform me
otherwise.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Germany to Italy
Roberto:
> I don't know. I get the sense though that Ivy is looking for somebody to
> distract his nearest and most powerful neighbor. I don't get the feeling
> he'd follow thru with an attack. What is your gut feeling about Ivy's
> intentions?
>
> > I think the builds will tell. If a fleet appears in
> > Liverpool, I think we can both breathe easier.
> >
>
> Well, a fleet didn't appear in Liverpool so Ivy still has left his options
> open. I assume you are going to try to move towards Sweden but do you think
> England is going to go for STP?
I think that you hit the nail on the head. Ivy has been talking me up
continuously about working together against France. Then he builds in
EDI. That is NOT the place to build to take part in an attack on
France.
I believe that you are correct. His goal is to have me make a move
against France so that we're tied up while he picks up another center.
Probably STP. I'd say Holland or something French, but I get the
feeling that E, F, G are not secure in any combination right now.
>From the start he has advocated an alliance where he moves south, while
I pick up Scandinavia. His builds and moves point at the opposite
objective.
The bottom line is that I believe that he is blowing smoke up me bum.
The next question is, what can I do about that?
Hmmm. Interesting. Certainly I can approach France with a plan to
wipe out England. I have no idea if he'd go for it. We do have a new
fleet in Brest. Will E and F bounce in the Channel this time? Time
will tell. I'd say that it's likely.
I'd say that it's even more likely that England and France have decided
to work together. France is making standard moves. Pretty much
noncommited. But England is definitely making moves and builds to head
east. I don't think that he'd do this if he didn't think that he
would be ok in the south. There's a French fleet in Brest, and one in
Portugal. Those fleets have a real history of being pointed at
England. But Ivy decided NOT to build in LVN. There can be only one
reason for that. He thinks that France won't be coming for his back
door. Or he thinks that he can build again before the threat arrives.
(Ivy is NOT a novice, he knows exactly where his chief danger comes
from)
The question arises: What will France actually do? I don't know. He
hasn't said word one to me about attacking England or you. We arranged
both bounces (barely). But other than that neither of us has brought up
tactics down the road. His plan could easily be to slip a dagger in
England's back. Or it could be to head toward you. I don't know.
One thing for sure. The next move will tell us (probably) who the first
person to be eliminated will be. If England had built in LVN, it could
have been France. But with the build in EDI, I can't see it.
Fredd
Message from England to all
>Van Lingle Mungo reporting for Vatican Tonight backstage with the winners of
>the 1901 Titleist Awards.
OK, that does it. No more anonymity for Roberto. He was the winner of the
identify Ivy Wingo contest and knows that I also considered the even
wackier name Van Lingle Mungo. Van Lingle Mungo was another baseball
player. I ruled him out, because the name was harder to type and he was
already celebrated in song.
So Italy is awarded Belgium as his prize and only needs to arrive to claim it.
As for that comment, "beware the snake who crawls into Belgium," I was
referring to the second person in Belgium, not the first. Obviously.
Ivy Wingo
Message from France to all
I apologize for my recent silence. I know that I owe
most everyone messages. The Queen has had me washing
windows in the Palace. You think that once you get an
important job like The Ambassador to Europe, you are
beyond such things. I even won a content for my writing!
I have not been this happy since I won the third grade
poetry contest. All the other kids wrote dirty limericks
so were disqualified, but mine was still great.
Yesterday's Tour de France stage was won by Felix
Cardenas of Team Kelme. So no points are awarded to any
of our teams. A friend tells me that Lance Armstrong
took over the Yellow Jersey in today's stage. Simon must
have had no legs today in the Mountains. We french are
disappointed, but it seemed inevitable. I am still
waiting on the official times and report from my
reporters in the field. Therefore I will not update the
standing until later tonight.
Bonne Chance
-- Prince Boar
[Coming mother. I was just taking a short break ….]
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>Since you brought the subject up, can I ask where
>the fleet would be positioned? MAO? SPA/nc?
> POR? NAO? or somewhere else?
All that I am willing to say right now is that I will
agree not to move it to Spain (SC) if I have your promise
not to move a fleet to Tyrrhenian Sea.
I agree to keep in touch. It makes sense. I will let
you know what I hear. All I have to offer now is that
Russia is desperately trying to find a friend in the
South. That is not surprising news however. I just do
not know whom will take him up on it, if anyone.
I am looking forward to seeing whether you betray Austria
or Turkey. They both seem to be trusting you and could
be easy prey. Russia would jump on board either way.
And since Turkey and Austria do not make good allies, I
would not be surprised to see the other join in. But I
half suspect that you and Austria have done a great job
at setting up the Lepanto. You asked what my guess at
your moves are. They are:
Ion -> Eme
Nap -> Ion
Apu/Tyr hold
But you may surprise me.
>Just curious, were the bounces in Burgundy pre-arranged
>or did Germany really try twice to enter your country
>unprovoked?
The first was pre-arranged. I was *told* about the
second at the last minute and able to bounce it. So I
knew, but I was not necessarily happy.
-- Prince Boar
Message from Russia to Austria and Italy
Gentlemen,
Roberto Wrote >
> I think Rumania should become Austrian property in the process.
> Call it a good-will gesture for not pushing north into Russian
>homeland. After all, the Turk was as much responsible for the
> Rumanian debacle as Austria.
I would argue that War-Ukr, Mos-StP, followed by Sev-Rum are
sufficient good-will gestures for any reasonable person, but I'm not
realy in a position to make demands. Also, if we could get my Fleet
into Rum so that I could build F Sev, that will speed Turkey's
downfall.
> Gal-Rum
> Vie-Gal
I would expect that the Turk is going to attempt to take Rum himself
so Gal-Rim is likely to bounce, and I'd really rather see the AR DMZ of
Gal reinstated this Spring. If we decide that Austria should take Rum
it can still be done in the Fall.
> In the fall, Tunis would convoy to Bulgaria with a bunch of support.
Whether you convoy to Bul, Smy, or Syr is, of course, a decision for
you and Austria to make.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
> > Of course, if you happen to move Tyl-Tri next
> > Fall, I won't be at all upset...
>
> It's possible but if there is an opportunity to eliminate Turkey, I'd have
> to consider that a first priority.
Agreed.
> Hope you're not too upset at my Rumanian suggestion. From what I've
> gathered from Austria, he won't go along with any plan unless he gets the
> best end of the trade. I'm still hoping we'll have enough influence to
take
> him out during the mid-game.
Not a problem, but I felt I had to stand up for my position as the
wronged
party here. I'm not ruling out Austria taking Rum, but it would be better
for
our attack (and us) if I can take Rum and build F Sev. If Austria offers
to
support Ank-Bla-Rum, this Spring, and doesn't, I ought to be able to take
Rum
without losing Sev to the Turk, but you'll have to convince Ferdie of that,
I
think.
Nick.
Message from Germany to Italy
Roberto:
I've been writing my EOY statement. It's a great exercise to clear
your head, and look at the board in a new light. A couple of things
came up that I thought I'd share.
In the Spring move E and F didn't bounce the channel. That's not
really surprising. But it does show a level of cooperation and trust
building. Russia and Turkey bounced in the Black Sea. They couldn't
trust each other enough not to. France and I bounced in BUR, but in
this case, where was I to go. I actually wanted to stay in MUN. (Say
in case an Italian came north)
In the fall move, England convoyed to Belgium. This is odd because
Russia was sitting ready to bounce him in Norway. Look at Russia now
that he hasn't built. He's hurtin. England would be in the same shape
if he hadn't built. Yet he chanced it by not supporting himself into
Norway.
I wouldn't have taken that chance. Well I would have chanced it if I
knew that either I was going to get into Belgium OR into Norway.
Russia could have told him that he was going to FIN. But I wouldn't
have believed that if the surprise move of the spring was Russia's
MOS-STP. I would only give STP-FIN a good chance if I had already known
about MOS-STP. I would have yelled long and hard if I were England and I
knew that Russia was opening with an army to STP. Therefore although
it's possible that England believed that he was safe to go unsupported
to Norway, I think it's unlikely.
That leaves Belgium. I couldn't effect Belgium so I didn't talk
about it with E or F. What I did do was decide to go to BUR very late.
(I sent you a note on it) I also sent France a message at the same
time, as my purpose was to make him bounce me, and not take Belgium and
build three. France did respond before the deadline, so he knew the
bounce was on. But could he have told England that Belgium was wide
open? It's certainly possible, there is a 3 hour time window. And
perhaps England changed his orders at the last minute because he knew
that he had a sure thing in Belgium, and he'd take his chances in
Norway. The other option is that E and F already had a deal on where
France would let England have Belgium. That's not good for us.
What do you think of my logic?
BTW England has told me that France has agreed NOT to go to the MAO. No
telling if that's true, of course.
Reading between the lines leads me to believe that E and F are working
together. How long they'll stay this way is unknown to me.
There is another piece of the puzzle. Your communications with France
and England. England has hinted more than once that you're seriously
looking at attacking France. Has England been really trying to get you
to do this, or is he feeling you out to see where you're going?
Another thing that I'd suggest is that you contact Russia and see if
he's been giving England his moves ahead of time.
Fredd.
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 13 Results:
Lance Armstrong took the overall lead with a dramatic win
today atop Plas d'Adet in the Pyrenees. He attacked his
rivals on the steep slopes of the final climb, soloing to
a one-minute win over Jan Ullrich. Earlier Jan had
somersaulted into a ravine during a turn, but was able to
jump back up and continue the chase. In an act of flair
and fair play, Lance waited for his rival to catch up,
checking to make certain he was all right.
After this Stage win, England now holds first place
alone. If Lance Armstrong holds on to win the overall
race, it is unlikely that anyone can beat England. The
Dauphin says that he hopes Ivy's sister is cute. I say I
hope that Ivy's sister is off the Continent! :-)
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 30 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Lance Armstrong (USP) 57:49:26
4. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 5:13
5. Joseba Beloki (ONC) @ 6:02
-- Prince Boar
Message from Italy to France
> All that I am willing to say right now is that I will
> agree not to move it to Spain (SC) if I have your promise
> not to move a fleet to Tyrrhenian Sea.
Agreed. Do you want to just get it over with and call Pie, Gol, Wes, Naf,
Tys, and Spa/sc DMZ?
> All I have to offer now is that
> Russia is desperately trying to find a friend in the South.
Yes, he's been encouraging an AIR against Turkey but at the same time an
Italian stab of Austria. Only one of those will happen but not both.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
>Do you want to just get it over with and call Pie, Gol,
>Wes, Naf, Tys, and Spa/sc DMZ?
The Dauphin has agreed. I hope that you have found a new
map without pasta sauce so that you can put a big X onto
those locations. :-)
With Russia and Turkey fighting, you and Austria must
both be considering whether it makes sense to go for the
Lepanto or stab the other while the timing is good.
Choose wisely in the south.
What has Germany said about your presence in Tyrolia. He
has not mentioned it to me and I am curious to hear his
reaction.
-- Prince Boar
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
I am no nearer to a decision than I was two days ago. Agony. I fear that
FG are in firm collusion. Later, I am confident that the matter is in my
hands. Then doubt, etc.
Here are two pieces of information that may be useful to you. I have no
interest in going for StP. I could write a book on why this is so, but
let's leave it at that. Also, I am reasonably confident that Russia will
move Finland back toward Austria, either with Fin-StP or with a convoy to
Livonia. Just thought you might want to know.
In exchange, perhaps you could tell me every move that France and Germany
are making. No? Oh, well.
One other matter. What in the world is Tyrolia going to do? I hope that
it is part of your going east plan.
I first thought that if I leaned toward EF then Tyrolian help against
Munich would be interesting, but after careful thought I have concluded
that no matter what happens to me, I really don't want Italian operations
in southern Germany, at least not until other things become much clearer.
Any action by you in Munich really helps France greatly and me not at all.
This is obviousy true if Germany and I unite, but it still holds if I ally
with France.
In the latter instance, I don't want France to achieve his goals too
rapidly. I hope you don't either.
You noted that you and France had an alliance in which he would work to the
north. This may be true, word for word. But is also true that every
France has said this to every Italy since the beginning of time. If France
does go north, even with an initial alliance with me, it is better for us
if he has to slog his way with difficulty, inch by inch.
My other possibility, working with Germany against France, should be good
for you. That too would be very slow, and I would think that having
England a little stronger than France would give you added security in your
rear.
See, anything I do is good for Italy.
Good luck,
Ivy
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 14 Results:
Today's stage was won by Roberto Laiseka of team
Euskaltel. It was fitting that a Spainard won a stage
in the Pyrenees. The important race was between the two
main contenders. Although Ullrich gave all he had, he
could not shake Armstrong loose. In a classic moment of
sportsmanship, Ullrich reach back at the finish line so
they could cross clasping hands. It was not only a sign
acknowledging Armstrongs' superior effort and eventual
final victory, but a sign of respect between the two
racers.
Tomorrow is a rest stage and then the race will become
about USP protecting Lance's lead.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 30 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Lance Armstrong (USP) 62 hours, 15 minutes, 4 seconds
2. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 5:05
3. Andrei Kivilev (COF) @ 5:13
4. Joseba Beloki (ONC)@ 6:33
-- Prince Boar
Message from Austria to Italy
Just got back from vacation. I did a quick read throgh my press, and am
giving only first impressions now; I'll write more Monday.
I think we've weakened Russia enough that I'm not too worried about the RT
alliance even if it does form; and Turkey's army build should limit his
ability to respond to an attack. So Austria-Hungary is tentatively
interested in shifting the primary target from Russia to Turkey.
I'm not sure yet if we should discuss it with Russia first; he's already
shown a willingness to broadcast private press.
More later.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Austria to all
Archduke Ferdinand has returned from his journey, and is currently
consulting with his ambassadors and advisors. The ambassadors will
soon be responding to many of the communciations received.
Message from Austria to Italy
> I whole-heartedly agree. HOWEVER, I think Rumania should become
> Austrian property in the process. Call it a good-will gesture
> for not pushing north into Russian homeland. After all, the Turk
> was as much responsible for the Rumanian debacle as Austria.
Heh, thanks for this.
> In the fall, Tunis would convoy to Bulgaria with a bunch of support. Nobody
> can blame me for suggesting a set of moves where Italy gains a build, right?
Support from Gre, Ser, and Rum; and Eas can hit Smy, forcing Arm to
defend (assuming Ank-Arm this spring). Neat.
I don't want to send Russia any promises or agreements; he wouldn't
give them any credence, and he's liable to use them for propaganda
purposes.
But I will move to Aeg, and help you get the next build.
Earlier, you wrote:
> I'll hold off on committing my units until I see the builds. For
> instance, should Germany build two fleets, I'd feel much more
> comfortable about moving my army out of Tyrolia. Should he build two
> armies, then Tyr-Boh coupled with Mun-Tyr would be devasting to me
> and he'd be much more likely to make that move if he had two new
> armies to cover Munich.
He built only one army. If you really fear Mun-Tyr behind your
Tyr-Boh, I can order Vie-Tyr behind you. But I think Mun-Tyr would be
fairly bizarre with the west still unsettled, unless the fabled western
Triple actually comes to fruition.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from France to all
[Greetings I am Trey Wingo and I have agreed to add
commentary to the presentation by Prince Boar on the
State of France at the Annual Symposium on Philosophy,
Europe and Everything. Why is an ESPN Sportscaster
commenting on Politics and Philosophy? Well, first of
all I always wanted to travel to France. Second, if my
third cousin Ivy can go from being a catcher to
Ambassador for England, I can comment on Philosophy. And
third, I am tired of Stuart Scott getting all the cool
jobs.]
Spring 1902 Symposium on Philosophy, Europe and
Everything.
- by Prince Xavier Boar
First I would like to thank the people of France for
inviting me to be the Plenary Speaker at this annual
symposium. It is one that is dear to my heart. The
topic for my speech will always be the state of a State
of the Union Address for France, although I reserve the
right to add a little philosophy. This first
presentation may be short of details because I will be
trying to cover both 1901 as well as pre-1901, and
perhaps a peak at 1902.
[The people did not really invite him, rather some
anonymous person suggested these presentation. The rumor
is that Prince Boar paid this person to make the
suggestion, just so he could "bore" the people with his
philosophies.]
Pre-1901
The original goal of my Bother, the Dauphin, and I was to
try to ….
[Unfortunately this part of the presentation was censored
due to state secrets. Why the color of the Dauphin's
underwear is a state secret is beyond me. Nevertheless I
cannot comment on what I heard.]
.
.
.
Philosophy
Many of you have speculated why the Dauphin does not
assume the thrown not that our father is so ill. Some
have even absurdly suggested that I might be more fit.
In reply I quote Plato
Philosophers should become Kings and
Kings should become Philosophers.
My brother is not yet ready to become a philosopher and I
am not yet ready to become a King. In the end only he
can be King, but together we may substitute in our
father's illness. We still have much to learn form him.
For example ….
[Here I will cut off the "highlights". I want to save to
you from it. Besides I fell asleep three times and
really do not know what he was saying.]
[Until next time,
Trey]
(loud enough for the speakers to barely pick it up)
[Now where are those French Babes you guys promised to
introduce me to if I took this gig]
Message from Italy to England
>
> OK, that does it. No more anonymity for Roberto. He was the
> winner of the identify Ivy Wingo contest and knows that I also
> considered the even wackier name Van Lingle Mungo. Van Lingle
> Mungo was another baseball player. I ruled him out, because
> the name was harder to type and he was already celebrated in song.
>
I guess you forgot that you had already broadcast this information along
with the message detailing who Ivy Wingo was. Not that it's a big deal or
anything.
> So Italy is awarded Belgium as his prize and only needs to
> arrive to claim it.
>
So, if I move tun-naf, maybe France would be willing to convoy it via Mao
and the Channel. I'll ask him if he'll do that in the spirit of fair play
since I am the rightful owner of Belgium.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
>
> What has Germany said about your presence in Tyrolia. He
> has not mentioned it to me and I am curious to hear his
> reaction.
>
His reaction was that he was not overly concerned with my presence in
Tyrolia since he felt it would be a tactical mistake for me to either assist
you in Munich or accept your assistance for my move to Munich. I agreed
with him and explained to him that you and I had not had any discussions
along those lines. He seemed to be reassured.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to England
>
> Here are two pieces of information that may be useful to you.
> I have no interest in going for StP. I could write a book on why this
> is so, but let's leave it at that.
Okay, seems like an easy and reasonable target for you but I know you
wouldn't tell me this and then risk losing all credibility by going for STP.
> Also, I am reasonably confident that Russia will
> move Finland back toward Austria, either with Fin-StP or with
> a convoy to Livonia. Just thought you might want to know.
>
This is what I would expect as well. Defending the middle of his homeland,
to me at least, would be a higher priority than taking Sweden.
> In exchange, perhaps you could tell me every move that France
> and Germany are making. No? Oh, well.
>
If I only knew. :) France won't even tell me where Portugal is moving to
this spring......
> One other matter. What in the world is Tyrolia going to do?
>
> I first thought that if I leaned toward EF then Tyrolian help against
> Munich would be interesting, but after careful thought I have
> concluded that no matter what happens to me, I really don't want
> Italian operations in southern Germany,
> Any action by you in Munich really helps France greatly and
> me not at all.
Tyrolia will not assist nor be assisted in any offensive operations in
southern Germany. Tyrolia does however reserve the right to assist Germany
in defensive manuevers in Munich. It's intent was merely to wake the German
up and talk to me. The plan worked flawlessly. I have received several
comminique from Berlin this phase.
>
> In the latter instance, I don't want France to achieve his goals too
> rapidly. I hope you don't either.
>
Absolutely not! The slower French goals are achieved the better off we all
will be.
>
> See, anything I do is good for Italy.
>
I hope the same can be said for you about whatever I do. Unfortunately, I
haven't a clue as whether or not that is true.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Austria and Italy
Ralassa, and Roberto,
(I am including Roberto in this conversation in hopes
that he can act as a moderating influence.)
>Message from Austria to Russia in 'titleist':
> > > when you told me you hadn't decided between
> > > an army or fleet in Rum, the Archduke thought
> > > that meant the army was coming, and felt > > forced to accept Turkey's
>proposal.
> > Do you really expect me to believe that?
>Frankly, no, but I told the truth anyway.
Ok, let's review: S1901M: I propose a DMZ of
Gal, and honor it, while moving Mos-StP, Sev-Bla.
I defy you to find a more pro-Austrian opening for
Russia. You expressed a preference that I occupy
Rum with a Fleet, and build a second Fleet in Sev.
I replied that I agreed that we both needed southern
Fleets, but that taking Rum with the Army offered
the possibility of my gaining useful intelligence
from the Turk. You expressed concern that I was
undecided about attacking Turkey because I listed
the advantages that taking Rum with an Army gave us.
I replied (still 3 1/2 days before orders were due,
and only 38 hours after the Spring Results arrived:
> > I expect that I will order F Sev-Rum, and build > F Sev, but I haven't
>finalized that decision, > yet. I am committed to AR vs. T, but if the
>Turk
> > were to suggest that I move to Bla this Fall, > and then Con in the
>Spring, with the intention > of moving to Aeg next Fall, I wouldn't turn
>him > down. (I wouldn't move out of Con next Fall,
> > either, but... 8-)
>
> > In Alliance,
We then went on to discuss the situation in the west,
and the possibility of Italy ordering Ven-Pie on
Tuesday, some 34 hours before the Fall Deadline, but
you did not ask whether I had finalized my decision
regarding Rum, so I had no suspicion that the Archduke
was the least bit concerned about my plans for Rum,
and frankly, I don't see that he had any reason to be
concerned.
>It certainly sounded like Russia was not committed
>to fighting against Turkey.
How does my being unwilling to finalize my
move 3 1/2 days before the deadline translate to a
lack of commitment to the alliance against Turkey?
It's right there in my last press to you on the
subject, "I'm committed to AR vs. T"! What more
could I have done, proxied my units to you?
> > and, in any event, he should have respected our > agreed upon DMZ in
>Galicia.
Should he have?
Yes.
>Had your decision been otherwise, the move to
>Galicia would have proven vital to Austria-Hungary's national survival.
I ordered Mos-StP. If I ordered Ukr-Gal
in the Fall, breaking our agreement, I would
have been left with an unsupported attack on
Rum with my Fleet. That's not a rational set
of orders by any definition that I've encountered.
If I ordered Sev S Ukr-Gal, and it worked, AND
GoB-Swe worked, AND I built A War and A Mos,
AND I had attacked Austria, rather than
Turkey or Germany, or England, you could have
still bounced any attempt I made to break our
DMZ in Gal. I'm sorry, even if I had TOLD you
that I was ordering Ukr-Rum, there was no need
for you to order Vie-Gal.
> > We are not yet at war,
>I agree. But I am reluctant to attempt delicate private negotiations with
>a prospective partner who kvetches in public about private
>misunderstandings.
I view treaty violations as a bit more than
"private misunderstandings", particularly when
there is no justification for the violation. I
have honored our agreements. As long as Austria
does so, you need not fear any "public kvetching".
>You seem to be assuming that Austria-Hungary
>has both the desire and ability to destroy
>your military strength. I suggest that we
>have neither.
Austria supported a Turkish attack on a Supply
Center that Austria had agreed would fall under
Russian control. Austria violated an agreed upon
DMZ, moving adjacent to an open Russian Home
Center. Why? Because I said I hadn't finalized my
decision to order F Sev-Rum. What conclusion
should I draw from these actions? That Austria
intends Russia harm seems a much more reasonable
conclusion than the one which you claim the
Archduke drew from our negotiations this Summer.
>I may not discuss prospective troop movements
>at this time.
The time to discuss them grows short. I have
laid out a reasonable course of action which gains
Austria, Italy, and Russia a build this year. I
await your response.
Sincerely,
Czar Nicholas II.
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
Our "friend" in Austria is either a bad liar,
or he is irrational.
Nick.
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Our "friend" in Austria is either a bad liar,
> or he is irrational.
>
Both!
However, I also think he's a bit of a 'loose cannon'. I received a message
this morning detailing the need for Austria to shift it's primary target
from Russia to Turkey. He came to this conclusion despite the fact that he
was not at all happy that you broadcast his private press. I hope this
latest message doesn't change his mind back. We need to focus on Turkey and
we can deal with Austria at the appropriate time.
On an unrelated subject, England has told me that he has no interest in
moving to STP. Please take this information as you see fit as Ivy has been
known to relay misinformation on more than one occasion (not necessarily to
me though but I've heard thru the grapevine others complaints).
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
> France won't even tell me where Portugal is moving to
>this spring......
Not surprising, because that would be a very strong indicator of his
preference for England or Germany. Portugal holds = proEngland;
Portugal->Mao = proGermany.
>Tyrolia will not assist nor be assisted in any offensive operations in
>southern Germany. Tyrolia does however reserve the right to assist Germany
>in defensive manuevers in Munich. It's intent was merely to wake the German
>up and talk to me. The plan worked flawlessly. I have received several
>comminique from Berlin this phase.
Germany has improved. He couldn't possibly have been as bad as his early
press, or lack thereof, indicated.
I find our relationship interesting. I never ask you about your preference
for Austria or Turkey. You never ask me about mine for France or
Germany. This permits us to be very honest about smaller matters, and I
think that has been mutually helpful.
Thank you,
Ivy
Message from Italy to Turkey
Ali,
Just heard from Austria and he has told me he is moving Gre-Aeg. Is the
army in Bulgaria free to support Tun-Gre as we previously discussed? I'd
also move Nap-Apu in preparation for taking the Adriatic in the fall. I'd
also seriously consider a Tyr-Vie move just in case Austria happened to
vacate in a push into Russia. I would return the favor and support you into
Serbia at your request.
I'm sure your answer depends on how you think Russia will react to the moves
of the first year and specifically what you think his Ukranian army will do.
If you think he'll use it to defend Warsaw, then Sevastopol could be yours
and we'd each build this coming year.
I understand if you feel the need to use Bulgaria to influence whatever will
happen in Rumania this coming year.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Austria and Russia
>
> (I am including Roberto in this conversation in hopes
> that he can act as a moderating influence.)
>
I'm honored; however, I'm not completely comfortable in being privy to
private press. I understand the reasoning in including it as a history and
background to the current conversation but if there were a way to have this
discussion without quoting actual press, I'd prefer it.
It's apparent that AR have had some misunderstandings regarding Galicia and
Rumania. I'll let you two decide where units should be placed so that
you're both comfortable but we need to focus on Turkey. The bottom line is,
if the dust in the west settles before the dust in the east, all three of us
are SOL. I truly believe none of us want the Turk at our back for the rest
of this game and that his elimination is important for all three of us and
our future growth.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Austria
>
> > I whole-heartedly agree. HOWEVER, I think Rumania should become
> > Austrian property in the process. Call it a good-will gesture
> > for not pushing north into Russian homeland. After all, the Turk
> > was as much responsible for the Rumanian debacle as Austria.
>
> Heh, thanks for this.
>
Not a problem. I understand Russia's argument but he's not negotiating from
a position of strength anymore.
>
> Support from Gre, Ser, and Rum; and Eas can hit Smy, forcing Arm to
> defend (assuming Ank-Arm this spring). Neat.
>
That's what I had in mind.
> I don't want to send Russia any promises or agreements; he wouldn't
> give them any credence, and he's liable to use them for propaganda
> purposes.
>
That does appear to be blatantly obvious. Like I said, I'm not really
comfortable with the private press passing. I'm going to have to be really
careful what I say to Russia now. If he'll quote you there's no reason to
think he wouldn't do the same to me. Not what I'm looking for in a friend.
> But I will move to Aeg, and help you get the next build.
>
Thanks. I think it's vital that I gain a build this turn and not just to
keep up with you. You're fighting more fronts than me at the moment and
it's reasonable for you to have more units. However, I don't want to become
easy prey for the west. I want them to think it will be a long and
difficult battle if they head towards Italy. Another Italian fleet
stationed in the TYS will do the job. France only has two fleets and to get
a third he'd have to take a center from either EG (or me I suppose). But,
if I get a build, taking a center from me would be virtually impossible and
it would keep France where I want him, battling EG.
>
> He built only one army. If you really fear Mun-Tyr behind your
> Tyr-Boh, I can order Vie-Tyr behind you. But I think Mun-Tyr would be
> fairly bizarre with the west still unsettled, unless the
> fabled western Triple actually comes to fruition.
>
I don't fear a Mun-Tyr move but I think I'm still going to have Tyrolia hold
if that's alright with you. As I see it, the west has four options: EF vs
G, FG vs E, EG vs F, and EFG vs the world. I can see advantages for Tyrolia
in 3 of the 4 instances.
EF vs G - Tyrolia would be used to support the German position in hopes that
EF don't achieve their goal too fast. It wouldn't prevent EF from
progressing but would hopefully slow them down enough.
EG vs F - Tyrolia would be used to distract Germany again with the hopes of
slowing down progress.
EFG vs the world - Tyrolia would be critical in this case. I'd have the
ability to go to Piedmont and it also prevents the disasterous Mun-Tyr move.
FG vs E - in this case, Tyrolia wouldn't be as important or influential in
slowing down the west so would be free to continue it's trek north.
However, just my presence in Tyrolia makes Germany think about his choice.
For all these reasons plus the fact that you already have an army
superiority over Russia, I think it best that I hold down the vital
defensive position in Tyrolia. Do you agree or do you still think I should
move to Bohemia?
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
My Friend, Roberto,
> > Austria is either a bad liar, or he is irrational.
>Both!
*chuckle* Perhaps he's one of the "sub-1700's" and
is fighting a losing battle with raging paranoia?
The skill level here certainly has me nervous, but
I assumed, (incorrectly, it turns out) that no-one
would do something stupid in 1901. I tend to
suspect that Austria saw an opportunity to take me
out, and decided to go for it, but I don't know what
Turkey was thinking when he agreed to it. You must
have him convinced that you have no Lepanto
intentions, but an early Italian attack on Austria
doesn't make any sense, either. *Nick scratches
his head…*
>I also think he's a bit of a 'loose cannon'. I
>received a message this morning detailing the
>need for Austria to shift it's primary target
>from Russia to Turkey.
Hmmm, and he didn't share this news with me, because…
He realizes that Turkey building Armies is bad for
Austria in the long run, so he needs you to harass
the Turk while he makes gains in Russia.
>He came to this conclusion despite the fact that
>he was not at all happy that you broadcast his
>private press. I hope this latest message doesn't
>change his mind back.
Well, as I said, if he hadn't formally agreed to a
limited term DMZ, and the reneged on the deal one
turn later (for no good reason), and THEN tried to
justify his action as self-defense, I would have
executed the Foreign Ministry official who leaked
the story to "Pravda". Given the nature of
Ferdinand's act, however, I felt that making the
other Great Powers aware of how untrustworthy he
is, was appropriate. I did consider the risk
inherent in including you, but felt that since we
had established AIR communications regarding the 1902
Turkish attack, I could appeal to you as a moderator.
>We need to focus on Turkey and we can deal with
>Austria at the appropriate time.
Agreed.
>England has told me that he has no interest in
>moving to STP.
He's said the same thing to me, and France claims that
he's lobbying Ivy on my behalf. Given F Ber, F Bla,
and A Gal, it seems pointless for me to defend StP,
in any event. What's your impression of which way the
West will go? Have you heard from the Turk? I haven't,
in spite of having pointed out to him how wide open to
the Lepanto he is. (He can't defend against it, in any
event, but I hoped he would consider joint operations
against Austria.)
Nicky.
Message from Italy to England
>
> I find our relationship interesting. I never ask you about
> your preference for Austria or Turkey.
>
I wouldn't tell you anyway. :) I will tell you have a choice and I'm not
opposed to listening to your opinion on how I should proceed.
> You never ask me about mine for France or Germany.
>
Like you would tell me anyway. :)
Truth is, I really don't care at the moment. If you prefer EG vs F, Germany
and I have an agreement to split you up afterwards. If you prefer EG vs F,
you and I can split up France afterwards. It really is true, no matter what
you do, it's good for Italy!!
You can sit back down, I was just kidding about that Germany agreement part.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Austria and Italy
>Message from Italy to Austria and Russia in 'titleist':
>
> > (I am including Roberto in this conversation in hopes
> > that he can act as a moderating influence.)
>
>I'm honored; however, I'm not completely comfortable in being privy to
>private press.
My apologies. I do not normally make a habit of
forwarding or publishing Press, but I do tend to
quote extensively in reply, and my previous note
began it's life as a private reply to Austria.
When I got to the end, however, and Ralassa's
inability to discuss troop movements, it became
a matter of interest to Italy, since we need to
coordinate our efforts against Turkey. So, I
changed the "Press to " line, and added the note
explaining why I had included him.
Nick.
Message from Italy to Russia
> I tend to
> suspect that Austria saw an opportunity to take me
> out, and decided to go for it, but I don't know what
> Turkey was thinking when he agreed to it.
>
Looking at the map, Gal-Sil and Vie-Gal with support from Budapest requires
Fin-Lvn to defend Warsaw. Of course, this would leave Rum and Sev and Swe
as lost causes. I do not envy your position my friend.
> You must
> have him convinced that you have no Lepanto
> intentions, but an early Italian attack on Austria
> doesn't make any sense, either. *Nick scratches
> his head...*
>
If I were to follow thru with the Lepanto, I would be in blatant violation
of a DMZ agreement. Here's an early press release for the next edition of
the "Pravda" should I actually make the fleet move.
Message from Italy to Turkey in 'titleist':
> In any case, let us solidify this position:
> that if I build an army, you agree not to send any
> fleet to Aeg or EMS. Agreed?
>
Agreed.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
>
> Hmmm, and he didn't share this news with me, because...
> He realizes that Turkey building Armies is bad for
> Austria in the long run, so he needs you to harass
> the Turk while he makes gains in Russia.
>
Entirely possible but I tend to want to believe him since the Lepanto is
virtually slapping us in the face. He has agreed to move to the Aeg and
convoy Tunis to Bulgaria this fall. If he fails on either account, he will
have my immediate and undivided attention. If I 'harass' Turkey while he
attacks you, it would force you and Turkey into a defensive alliance and
that would not be good for Italy.
> What's your impression of which way the West will go?
EF vs G. Just a gut feeling.
> Have you heard from the Turk?
>
Not yet but I did send him a message telling him that Austria had agreed to
move to the Aegean and asked him if Bulgaria was available to support an
attack on Greece. Previously, Turkey had expressed interest in supporting
my move there. After all, I have to get something out of not pursuing the
Lepanto.
I'm fully committed to the Turkish attack though since, as you previously
pointed out, IR vs A would be tactically better than IR v T with the added
advantage of eliminating my most natural eastern fleet enemy.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
I'm a bit behind on my mail, so if you've sent another press that I didn't
answer I apologize. I did want to get off a quick reply to this one though.
> Just heard from Austria and he has told me he is moving Gre-Aeg. Is the
> army in Bulgaria free to support Tun-Gre as we previously discussed? I'd
> also move Nap-Apu in preparation for taking the Adriatic in the fall. I'd
> also seriously consider a Tyr-Vie move just in case Austria happened to
> vacate in a push into Russia. I would return the favor and support you
into
> Serbia at your request.
Many thanks. I am ordering Bul to support Tun-Gre. I had planned to attack
Rum, but I can do that in the fall. I'd much rather begin our mutual
efforts now if you're so inclined.
> I'm sure your answer depends on how you think Russia will react to the
moves
> of the first year and specifically what you think his Ukranian army will
do.
> If you think he'll use it to defend Warsaw, then Sevastopol could be yours
> and we'd each build this coming year.
I do expect Russia to be on the defensive, unless he's had strong
encouragement from AI for a 3-way effort against me. My gut reaction is
that you're on the level, and I'm willing to risk it. So, I will push into
Armenia and will use Bul to support your attack.
> I understand if you feel the need to use Bulgaria to influence whatever
will
> happen in Rumania this coming year.
I can wait on Rum until this fall. Hopefull I'll be able to take either Rum
or Sev. Meanwhile, having you in Greece and possibly Vie would be most
excellent.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Austria to Italy
> I don't fear a Mun-Tyr move but I think I'm still going to have Tyrolia hold
> if that's alright with you. As I see it, the west has four options: EF vs
> G, FG vs E, EG vs F, and EFG vs the world. I can see advantages for Tyrolia
> in 3 of the 4 instances.
Your analysis is thorough. But I would still prefer the army to move to
Boh, so that I don't have to consider my vulnerability to a stab which
includes Tyr-Tri in the fall. I don't currently think such a stab is in
your interest, and I trust you to follow that interest, but it is possible
that I might have to make sub-optimal moves in the fall to ensure that
Tyr-Tri continued to not be in your interest. If you order Tyr-Boh in the
spring, I am freer to move with full aggression against Turkey and Russia
withou worrying about my back.
For most of your scenarios, Boh is as strong in support or threat to Germany
as Tyrolia would be. It lacks the ability to move to Pie, and does leave
Tyr itself open if Germany chooses Mun-Tyr. But it gains by being closer to
Ber, War, Mos, and StP. If it were my own unit, I might have a slight
preference for Tyr, but given the lessening of the stab concern, I think
Tyr-Boh is better for us jointly this turn.
Since Gal is going to be employed in and around Rum, Warsaw will not be
taken this fall. Your army in Silesia will probably be involved next year
in the taking of War. Getting to Silesia this fall should be that army's
best use, with its influence on the western situation a secondary utility.
All that said, if you really prefer that it stay in Tyr, it is your army to
order, and that will cause no serious harm to our alliance.
Idalia, for Austria-Hungary, by the grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
I finally got an answer to my two-way draw question, (though I suspect the
question may well be moot for us).
> Message from masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master to Russia in 'titleist':
> >Originally, in the event of a 17-17 (or other tied for the lead) draw,
> >there was going to be turn by turn rollback until one Power had more
> >Centers than the other, and that Power would be declared Tournament
> >Champion, but in your opening press for 'titleist' you indicated that
> >an equal center-count draw would be treated as a draw, and
> >co-champions would be declared. Which one applies?
>
> The tie-breaker was needed when players were advancing to the next
> round. There's no round after this
> I didn't want to decide the final champion on a technicality like
> SC-counts-through-history.
> I think this has been the rule *for the final* from the beginning.
> My original post to this game stands -- if you'd like to share it with
> everyone else, I'd point them to the history file for the game (July 3,
> 22:08 EDT).
So, a two-way is, in fact, possible.
Nick.
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
> Gal-Sil and Vie-Gal with support from Budapest requires
> Fin-Lvn to defend Warsaw. I do not envy your position my friend.
Yeah, I understand why Austria did what he did, though he should
have the courage to admit it. I don't understand why Turkey ordered
Bul - Rum, though. Austria could easily go to 8 Centers this year, and
Turkey's best hope is to get 5, but remaining at 4, or actually losing
one, is more likely.
> If I were to follow thru with the Lepanto, I would be in blatant violation
> of a DMZ agreement. Here's an early press release for the next edition
> of the "Pravda" should I actually make the fleet move.
>
> > In any case, let us solidify this position:
> > that if I build an army, you agree not to send any
> > fleet to Aeg or EMS. Agreed?
>
> Agreed.
Ali built an Army, and you did not send a Fleet to Aeg or EMed during
Builds, as agreed. Has this agreement been extended into, or beyond
1902? If not, I don't see that you have a problem moving to EMed in
S1902M. Or, do you feel this agreement binds you for all time?
> Entirely possible but I tend to want to believe him since the Lepanto is
> virtually slapping us in the face. He has agreed to move to the Aeg and
> convoy Tunis to Bulgaria this fall. If he fails on either account, he
will
> have my immediate and undivided attention.
Yes, but if he takes War, Rum and Bul, which is possible, I'm sure
that his 8 Units will not be that bothered by your 4.
> If I 'harass' Turkey while he attacks you, it would force you and
> Turkey into a defensive alliance and that would not be good for Italy.
No, I'm allied with you. At least I thought I was, aren't I? If you
'harass' Turkey, this Spring, I'll survive and help you against A and T.
If you don't, you're likely to be facing an 8-10 Center Austria in a year
or two.
> I'm fully committed to the Turkish attack though since, as you previously
> pointed out, IR vs A would be tactically better than IR v T with the added
> advantage of eliminating my most natural eastern fleet enemy.
If you're committed to the Turkish attack Ion-EMed, Nap-Ion greatly
increases Turkey's headaches, and will ease the pressure on Sevastopol.
If you come to an agreement with Austria, any information you can provide
about his intentions would be appreciated.
Your Friend,
and Hopefully Your Ally,
Nicky.
Message from Germany to Italy
Roberto:
After further investigation, the following appears to be true.
England didn't know about MOS-STP. However he did know about STP-FIN,
and apparently believed Russia. He also did know that Belgium would be
open.
So I didn't really come up with a great theory earlier. But it still
is instructive to see that France told England that Belgium would be
open.
Fredd
Message from Italy to Germany
Thanks for the info. It's late now and I'm going to bed. I will try to
write something constructive first thing tomorrow morning. For what it's
worth, I think England knew about Mos-Stp and I'll share why when I have
more time tomorrow.
Roberto
Message from Russia to Austria and Italy
Ralassa, and Roberto,
Ralassa, speaking for the Archduke, Wrote >
> Your proposed course is indeed reasonable, but even if I were
> to indicate that Austria-Hungary would move in accordance with
> it, what reason have you to believe me?
Frankly, very little, but if you commit to a set of moves to both
Russia, and Italy, then reneging on that agreement would represent
a betrayal of two allies, and I suspect that even the Archduke would
be relucant to do that.
> While if you do mean me harm, truthful information about intended
> military actions could be used to gain advantage.
Oh, come now, what "advantage" could I gain? Security for my
Home Centers, perhaps the build I was entitled to last year for
Rum? Even if you lay out your plans for me completely, the most
I could do would be to support a Turkish Convoy to Rum, while
moving Ukr-Gal, and the mount a two Unit attack on Budapest
which you could easily repulse. And the end result of that would
be two Turkish Units adjacent to Sev. I may be a fool, but I'm
not an idiot!
> No, I will not be discussing the spring orders with you. If you
> move in accordance with the Italian plan, you will probably not
> be disappointed.
This is, simply, unacceptable. Austria-Hungary violated our
agreement without cause, and gave support to Russia's enemies,
but I am willing to set those actions aside, and work with you
toward the greater European good of eliminating Turkey.
For Russia to do that, however, I need you to commit to
pro-Russian, anti-Turkish moves, and then execute those moves
this Spring. If you do not wish to reveal your full plan to me, then
fine, reveal it to Roberto, I am willing to accept his word in this
matter, but the actions of the Austrian Army in Galicia, and the
final status of Rumania are subjects that we must agree upon.
Czar Nicholas II, for Russia and the European Economic Union.
Message [from France] to all
BG> Holey Lepanto Diploman, did I miss something?
DM> Yes Boy Gambit, we have had a fall move as well as an adjustment phase.
BG> Wow! Are there any betrayers that we can bring to justice? I read in the
news that Austria betrayed Russia?
DM> Well, it appears that Austria and Turkey combined to betray Russia. But we
have not yet heard their side of the story.
BG> We should bring them in just in case.
DM> Now now, Boy Gambit, due process must be followed.
BG> What about Germany and France. Do they keep bouncing in Burgundy because
they cannot get along or was there a German betrayal?
DM> We have not heard but are vigorously investigating the matter. What
situations do you see that bear watching for this season?
BG> Well, Turkey seems to have a big kick me sign on his back. He must trust
Austria and Italy. Will that trust be betrayed?
DM> Yes, Boy Gambit! Excellent! Anything else?
BG> Ummmmm.
DM> What about the English-French-German triangle. Something must give up
there.
BG> Oh yeah. But whom will be betrayed?
DM> That is a good question. We must watch and see.
Message from France to all
Tour de France Stage 15 Results:
Today's stage was won by Rik Verbrugghue of Team Lotto
Adecco. He was part of a huge breakaway, but one that
did not contain any of the contenders. No points were
awarded for our game. Since the contenders were all in
the main pack (peloton), they were all given the same
time. Therefore there was no change in the standings at
the top.
Official Tally:
Austria (Domo-Farm Frites): 0 points
England (USPS): 30 points
France (Festina): 10 points
Germany (Telekom): 20 points
Italy (Fassa Bortolo): 10 points
Russia (Robobank): 20 points
Turkey (CSC): 20 points
Doug (O.N.C.E.): 0 points
Selected Standings:
1. Lance Armstrong (USP) 62 hours, 15 minutes, 4 seconds
2. Jan Ullrich (TEL) @ 5:05
3. Andrei Kivilev (COF) @ 5:13
4. Joseba Beloki (ONC)@ 6:33
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
Well I guess this is where it all becomes clear. I do indeed have a "Kick
Me" sign painted squarely on my back, and you're the one wearing the boots.
I can only hope that our earlier conversations will bear fruit, and that
you're on the level regarding IT cooperation. I hope you will write to
confirm, to ease my fears if nothing else.
I have decided against the move to Armenia. Assuming that Austria moves to
Aeg, I will need to defend my home centers somehow. I am attempting a
combination that should leave me in place to attack Serbia as you suggest in
the fall, and still protect Con and Smy.
Regarding the suggestion of Tyr-Vie, I would urge an attack on Trieste
instead. If, as it seems, Austria is comfortable with AI relations, then he
may not defend it, instead attacking Bul and Rum. And if he does move to
Tri, you will surely want to cover Venice and still move to the Adriatic.
I have no doubt that the Czar is urging both you and Austria to join him to
quickly take me out. If you do, you will be left with neighbors who will
come after you eventually. Conversely, if you join with me then you will
have a secure eastern front and an ally you can trust. I will continue to
build armies and move them to places where they do not threaten Italian
interests.
I built as I did largely to demonstrate my intentions, and to show that I
will follow through as we discussed. If you instead move to attack me, I
will do whatever I can to see that Austria reaps the lion's reward from it.
I hate to make threats (and such a puny threat at that)... but I have thrown
my lot in with you, and I'm banking on your goodwill. If that goodwill
turns out not to exist, then I will have few options for survival. If it
comes to that, I will surely lose my mind and there's no telling what I
might do.
In any case, I'm cautiously optimistic that it will not come to that. My
order supporting Tun-Gre has been confirmed; that order will be there in the
move result, and I hope you take advantage of it. I look forward to hearing
from you at your earliest opportunity.
Regards,
Ali Baba
Message from Italy to Germany
> After further investigation, the following appears to be true.
> England didn't know about MOS-STP.
I'm not too sure about this. Shortly after the S1901 moves came in, I got a
message from England. It was a "lots of conservative moves", just staying
in touch type message. At the end, he says "just wondering if you knew why
Russia moved to *FIN*" [emphasis mine]. Mind you, this was after the spring
moves and Russia had only moved to STP. It was a slip and one I don't even
think he knows he did. But, it makes me tend to think he knew about the
move to STP and that it would be going to Finland.
> He also did know that Belgium would be open.
Whether he would have gotten there or not without the Burgundy bounce is
something I guess we'll never know until EoG come out.
> So I didn't really come up with a great theory earlier. But it still
> is instructive to see that France told England that Belgium would be
> open.
>
Yes, and that they are communicating right up until the deadline.
> BTW England has told me that France has agreed NOT to go to
> the MAO. No telling if that's true, of course.
Well, France has agreed not to move to Spa/sc either. So where does the
fleet move? Or does it hold?
> Reading between the lines leads me to believe that E and F
> are working together.
That is my gut feeling as well.
> There is another piece of the puzzle. Your communications with France
> and England. England has hinted more than once that you're seriously
> looking at attacking France. Has England been really trying to get you
> to do this, or is he feeling you out to see where you're going?
I think mostly the former. He's just trying to get me to spill the beans.
Like I said before, I doubt he'd move against France even I if told him I
wanted to. And I'm not about to lose my credibility by lying just to see if
he's being credible or not.
My apologies for delays in responding. I've been quite busy with ART the
past few days.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
First off, I hope your wife is okay.
>
> > If I 'harass' Turkey while he attacks you, it would force you and
> > Turkey into a defensive alliance and that would not be good
> for Italy.
>
> No, I'm allied with you. At least I thought I was,
> aren't I? If you 'harass' Turkey, this Spring, I'll survive
> and help you against A and T.
>
Sorry, not what I meant. I think what I meant was, that if Austria were to
continue to attack you, I would need to 'harass' Austria otherwise you might
be eliminated and thus IR becomes totally moot. But I don't want to put
myself in a position where I move against Turkey in the spring and then be
forced to move against Austria in the fall. That scenario doesn't help
solve the east one iota. I'm looking for a 3-way coordinated attack on
Turkey or Austria. Turkey seems the more logical choice.
>
> If you're committed to the Turkish attack Ion-EMed,
> Nap-Ion greatly increases Turkey's headaches, and
> will ease the pressure on Sevastopol.
Just got a note from Turkey saying he decided not to move to Armenia arguing
he wanted the unit in case he needed to defend Smy/Con. He must be playing
with a different map because in my eyes, Armenia and Ankara defend Smyrna
with the same force and Con won't need defending for at least another year.
> If you come to an agreement with Austria, any information you
> can provide about his intentions would be appreciated.
>
He doesn't tell me his moves but wants to know, and worse even dictate, my
moves. My patience grows thin.
Again, I hope your family is alright.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
Nick,
If Turkey has shown an interest in convoying Ank-Rum, I would not be opposed
to seeing you support such a move. It would give me a free shot at Smyrna
in the fall, with Austrian support of course but it shouldn't be difficult
to convince him to help me. AIR would be able to take Rumania from Turkey
in the fall.
Not sure if Turkey has asked for this support from you but just thought I'd
check.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Austria
> But I would still prefer the army to move to Boh, so that I don't
> have to consider my vulnerability to a stab which includes Tyr-Tri
> in the fall.
Russia has told me flat out that if I move to Bohemia, any deal involving
AIR against Turkey would be out of the question. I'd prefer to hold in
Tyrolia until progress has been made on Turkey.
I have no doubts that taking Warsaw from Russia will be a simple exercise in
tactics whenever we decide to make that move.
I'll be much more comfortable moving the army north once I have another
fleet in hand to defend against anything France might have in mind and we're
well on our way to finishing off Turkey.
I understand your analysis and definitely reconsidered the move but I think
it best for Italy to hold Tyrolia at this point. I'm glad to hear that it
will not jeapordize our alliance because I think we have the best shot at
making progress than anybody else. I might be proven wrong here shortly,
but that's what I think as an aside observer just looking at the map for the
first time.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
One last thing. Austria has been encouraging Tyr-Boh. I've tried to
explain to him that I would like to use Tyr to influence the Western powers
but that didn't seem to be enough for him. So, I told him that you told me
that if I moved to Bohemia, you would not help us in attacking Turkey. In
case Austria asks for confirmation, thought you might want to know that I
slipped a small white lie to Austria.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to all
My thanks to everyone for their well-wishes. The good news is that the
doctors ruled out any life-threatening, critical causes for the pain my wife
is experiencing. The
bad news is, they're not quite sure what is causing it. We'll be motoring
off to see our family physician in the morning, so please forgive me if my
responses are not as prompt or as detailed as they have been in the next day
or two. Once again, our thanks.
Nick, Alexandra, and Alexi.
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
I understand your reluctance to order Ion - EMed, and don't have a
problem with it. Everything seems to suggest that Austria has no true
interest in a peaceful relationship with me. I'll order appropriately.
Nick.
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Turkish Army Bulgaria → Rumania (*void*)
Austria: Army Galicia → Ukraine
Austria: Fleet Greece → Aegean Sea
Austria: Army Serbia → Bulgaria (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Vienna → Galicia
England: Army Belgium SUPPORT German Army Munich → Burgundy
England: Fleet Edinburgh → North Sea
England: Fleet London SUPPORT Fleet North Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet North Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet Norway HOLD
France: Fleet Brest → English Channel (*bounce*)
France: Army Paris → Burgundy (*bounce*)
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT Army Paris → Burgundy
France: Fleet Portugal HOLD
France: Army Spain → Gascony
Germany: Fleet Berlin → Baltic Sea
Germany: Fleet Denmark SUPPORT Fleet Berlin → Baltic Sea
Germany: Army Holland SUPPORT Army Kiel → Ruhr (*void*)
Germany: Army Kiel SUPPORT Army Holland
Germany: Army Munich → Burgundy (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Eastern Mediterranean
Italy: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
Italy: Army Tunis HOLD
Italy: Army Tyrolia HOLD
Russia: Army Finland → Gulf of Bothnia → Livonia
Russia: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia CONVOY Army Finland → Livonia
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol SUPPORT Turkish Army Ankara → Rumania
Russia: Army Ukraine → Warsaw
Turkey: Army Ankara → Black Sea → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea CONVOY Army Ankara → Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Italian Army Tunis → Greece (*void*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Smyrna
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