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Message from England to Italy and Russia
Friends,
I don't know when the next actual deadline will be, but I do want to toss
out some tentative moves for us to chew on. And, of course, Turkey (Ali)
is most definitely on the menu.
In the southeast, perhaps Italy will wish to be satisfied with the trade of
Bulgaria for Ankara, a real bargain in my book. If so, what about
Galicia supp Ser->Budapest
Romania->Serbia
Ankara & Smyrna supp Constantinople
Armenia->Sevastopol.
This kills Turkey and prevents any advance by Venice and Trieste into
Budapest. It is certain that either Ser->Budapest or Romania Serbia will
bounce, so Romania will not be open for Turkey. Constantinople probably
needs double protection, because Turkey HAS written to France. We can
expect one last dying attempt at coordination of moves from Turkey.
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Don't you just love that Russian fleet in Belgium? Be defiant, Nick!
Here's how to save it. Just cut all four surrounding armies:
Channel->Picardy
Munich->Burgundy
Yorkshire-Nth-Holland
Kiel->Ruhr.
That certainly saves Belgium, but at what risk?
If France goes for Belgium(most likely), he fails and nothing much
happens. We gain Munich for the year.
If France tries Ruhr supp Holland->Kiel (less likely), he succeeds, but
loses Holland. We still net one gain for the year.
If France tries Burgundy supp Ruhr->Munich (very unlikely) he does succeed,
and Munich has to go back to Berlin. If so, no supply centers have changed
hands for the year. However we start out next year with armies in Ruhr,
Denmark and Silesia, which is much better positionally than at the
beginning of this year. I doubt that France will do this, though, because
Munich is so easily defended from Silesia. Instead, Silesia might go to
Bohemia, for example, to put pressure on Vienna.
As I say,chew on it.
Ivy
Message from Russia to all
>The next phase of 'titleist' will be Movement for Fall of 1910.
>The deadline for orders will be Thu Nov 22 2001 23:30:00 -0500.
I'll be available for roughly the next 24 hours. I'm
willing to try to come to an agreement with my allies
and submit moves before I leave. Think we can do it?
If not, the Fall moves propably will not process
before 11/27.
Nick.
Message from Italy to England and Russia
No need to rush these delicate negotiations. Tomorrow is my wife's birthday
plus I got a million things to do before the holidays. I'll be around to
chat but I'll only have a few minutes here and there until the weekend. I'd
say something constructive about our position but I haven't really studied
the results other than just reading them.
Idalia
Message from Russia to England and Italy
Gentlemen,
>Message from England to Italy and Russia in 'titleist':
>Turkey (Ali) is most definitely on the menu
*chuckle*
>Galicia supp Ser->Budapest
>Romania->Serbia
>Ankara & Smyrna supp Constantinople
>Armenia->Sevastopol.
While I suppose the odds of Bla-Rum are very small,
the idea of moving out of Rum before Turkey disbands
makes me nervous. My other concern is with Arm-Sev.
We need a Unit in Syr to keep Turkey secure, and
Arm-Sev is a move in the wrong direction. Arm-Sev,
Rum-Sev seems safer to me.
>It is certain that either Ser->Bud or Rum-Ser will
>bounce, so Romania will not be open for Turkey.
Yes, if we can count on France to do what we expect
him to do...
>Constantinople probably needs double protection,
Agreed.
>Don't you just love that Russian fleet in Belgium? Be defiant, Nick!
Hell, no! I want to see it in Portugal! ( You told
me to be defiant. ;^} )
>Here's how to save it. Just cut all four surrounding armies:
>
>Channel->Picardy
>Munich->Burgundy
>Yorkshire-Nth-Holland
>Kiel->Ruhr.
Whoops! France sent me a letter saying that by
retreating to Ruhr, he had a lock on Bel. I sent
him this move set to prove him wrong. *blush*
Of course, since I told him about it he won't
expect us to use it, will he? Hmmm...
>As I say, chew on it.
I'll bring a conference map to my In-Laws.
Nick.
Message from France to all
Prince Boar will be indisposed for a couple of days.
Somehow his favorite dogs got into the library and chewed up several
books. Then one of them got violently ill. To tell you the truth, I
can understand getting sick on that philosophy stuff. Prince Boar when
learning about it became deathly pale and fretful. Really, it is just
some books and dogs, although he is fond of the dogs.
At any rate, you will get the pleasure of dealing with me for a few
days.
LE DAUPHIN
Message from France to Italy
Idalia, Roberto, new Turk, whomever:
I am quite impressed by your move to consolidate your power in the
corner. Obviously you felt that eliminating that Turkish fleet in the
Black Sea was of paramount importance. What I like about you is when
you set out to do something, you go do it with emphasis!
You still have a couple holes, which were inevitable, but all-in-all a
nice job.
I should send my brother to study tactics with you. I can't seem to
teach him anything. Of course you may just lock him in a Turkish
prison. It is a chance that I am prepared for him to take.
LE DAUPHIN
Message from France to all
The French Royal family will be going hunting for the
next couple of days. We will be chasing our namesake:
the wild boar. We hope that the excitement will bring
Prince Boar back to his old self.
Enjoy your holiday, whatever you may be up to. Any
messages, not that France gets many, will be dealt with
upon our return.
LE DAUPHIN
Message from Master to all
Extension!
Doug
masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master set the deadline
for game 'titleist' to Tue Nov 27 2001 23:30:00 -0500.
Grace period deadline advanced to Fri Nov 30 2001 23:30:00 -0500.
Message [from France] to all
For those who are interested, the Boardgame Player's Association is
running a diplomacy tournament starting in Jan 2002. It will be run by
Manus Hand on the DPjudge. For more information visit:
http://devel.diplom.org/manus/bpa/
Roger
Message from England to France, Italy, and Russia
To my friends in strife.
It's been a very good holiday with our family all here together. I've been
lucky at "hearts" each of the past two evenings.
Tomorrow (Sunday) we will be visiting my in-laws in Elmira, New York. Then
back to work on Monday. And back to war too, I suppose.
I hope all is going well with each of you.
Ivy Wingo
Message from France to all
GLORIOUS!
What a glorious hunt. The boar was a big as a horse and
twice as angry as bees when their hive is disturbed. He
nearly gutted two courtiers before we could bring him
down. Our success was still in doubt when someone
mentioned that the boar reminded them of me, in his
relentlessness; then my brother came to life. He took
the boar down with an intensity that I have never seen
before. Perhaps he has more spunk than I thought. At
any rate it is good to see him back to himself. He
should be able to pick back up the negotiations soon.
We roast the boar and served a huge feast with stuffing,
cranberry sauce, gravy, potatoes of all sorts. It was
worry of making it a yearly tradition. Perhaps we shall.
I hope your holiday was equally enjoyable.
Le DAUPHIN
Message from France to Master, England, Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Mes Amis:
I will likely not be available after dinner time tonight
because I must get up at 3AM tomorrow. I will then be
gone all day, so I ask Doug to extend the next deadline
by one day. If you want to send me any harassing or
obnoxious messages, please do so by dinner time tonight.
Otherwise I will not be able to enjoy them until late
Wednesday morning.
Thanks,
France
Message from Master to all
Extension untill Wednesday night.
Does *anyone* pronounce the "d" in Wednesday? I've only ever heard
it pronounced as "Wens-day" . . .
Doug
masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master set the deadline
for game 'titleist' to Wed Nov 28 2001 23:30:00 -0500.
Grace period deadline advanced to Mon Dec 03 2001 23:30:00 -0500.
Message from England to Italy
Roberto/Idalia,
Deadline isn't until Wednesday, so we have a little more time.
You have several goals.
(1) Defend Constantinople.
(2) Retake Bulgaria.
(3) Finish off Turkey.
(4) Protect Serbia/Budapest
As you know, they are somewhat incompatible. My best shot was
Galicia supp Ser->Budapest
Romania->Serbia
Ankara & Smyrna supp Constantinople
Armenia->Sevastopol.
These moves take care of (1) and (4). They fail at (2). The only way you
could miss on (3) is if Turkey ordered BlackSea->Rumania AND France
attacked neither Budapest or Serbia.
Russia didn't seem to be too happy with Armenia-> Sevastopol, saying that
the Armenian army is needed to defend the corner. For my part, I see you
soon taking the offense against France by putting pressure on Bulgaria from
the north. I don't think France will have the luxury of anything like
Greece->Aegean->EasternMed. I could be wrong though.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England and Italy
Gentlemen,
I wrote to you this morning, but that letter has
not yet appeared, so I'm trying again to see if USIN
is down, or if the problem is with my home ISP. It
seems to me that France has to order Bre & Spa S MAO,
because he can't afford to lose MAO, and he can't
order Pic-Bel because he needs to control Pic to
hold MAO.
In the East, F Bul/SC can't Support Bla-Rum, so
an attack on Con seems likely. Idalia, how do you
want to handle the defense of Sev and Bud?
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from Russia to England and Italy
Gentlemen,
I'm back, and ready to move forward. Idalia, we, or at least I, haven't
heard from you since the 20th. Have you had a chance to look at our
position, and the early ideas that Ivy and I suggested? What do you
think we should do in the Southeast?
Your Friend,
Nick.
Message from Italy to England and Russia
> What do you think we should do in the Southeast?
>
After some careful thought, I think the proper move to defend Bud/Ser is
Gal-Vie. I'll handle the rest.
I do have two questions that haven't been mentioned yet.
1) What am I supposed to do with Silesia?
2) I assume Lvn will move to Warsaw. Correct? That decision does effect my
moves.
Sorry for my delay in response. It's been busy (once again) around these
parts.
Idalia
Message from Russia to England and Italy
>Message from Italy to England and Russia in 'titleist':
>
> > What do you think we should do in the Southeast?
>I think the proper move to defend Bud/Ser is
>Gal-Vie. I'll handle the rest.
Gotta love the level of trust... Your defense affects
of the corner is crucial to the success of EIR. I'd
appreciate it if you'd at least discuss it with Ivy,
if you don't trust me.
>I do have two questions that haven't been mentioned yet.
>1) What am I supposed to do with Silesia?
Sil S Mun, or Mun S Sil-Tyl seem like the most
reasonable alternatives.
>2) I assume Lvn will move to Warsaw. Correct? That decision does effect
>my moves.
That wasn't my plan, but unless you're willing to
tell me how my order for Lvn affect your moves, I
don't see much reason to share my plans with you. 8-)
Nick.
Message from Italy to England and Russia
>
> Gotta love the level of trust...
>
My apologies if you interpreted my message as mistrust. That was not its
intention. I simply don't have a ton of time to write a dissertation on the
myriad of combinations possible.
Assuming Warsaw was still to be Italian and the deadline were in 5 minutes,
here are the moves I would make. Luckily, the deadline isn't in 5 minutes.
:)
ser - bul
rum s ser - bul
con s ser - bul
smy - aeg
ank - bla
arm - ank (although I may chicken out and order to SEV)
sil ????? (please TELL me what to order, I promise I won't question your
decision)
> Mun S Sil-Tyl
(I assume you meant 'mun s sil-BOH' although I'd sure love to order Sil-Tyl
this turn)
The thinking with the above moves is, if Turkey moves to SEV (highly highly
unlikely I'm thinking), we destroy the fleet next spring. France can only
get at most a 1 center gain from Bud/Ser. He can't get to Serbia unless I
get to Bul. He can't get to both Bud and Ser unless Russia gets to Vie
(assumes Gal->Vie is ordered). If he takes Budapest, we should be able to
kick him out next year as Rumania won't have to worry about the Turkish
fleet. I actually don't double support CON but I break all the possible
supports in a way that also prevents (for the time being) aeg-eas, gre-aeg.
Message from Russia to England and Italy
>Message from Italy to England and Russia in 'titleist':
>
>My apologies if you interpreted my message as mistrust.
Sorry, I should have eaten then replied, I get grumpy
when I'm hungry. ;^}
> > Mun S Sil-Tyl
>(I assume you meant 'mun s sil-BOH'
Whoops, sorry, shoulda looked at the map. Sil S Mun
makes more sense than Sil-Boh, I think. Especially
given the possibility of Hol-Kie, Bur S Ruh-Mun.
(Nick goes to eat...)
Message from England to Italy
> > Gotta love the level of trust...
> >
>
>My apologies if you interpreted my message as mistrust.
An apology when none is needed. Admirable. Wouldn't you rather just
strangle people sometimes?
Message from England to Italy and Russia
It seems to be clear that Silesia supports Munich and that Warsaw remains
in Italian hands for another year.
>ser - bul
>rum s ser - bul
>con s ser - bul
>smy - aeg
>ank - bla
>arm - ank (although I may chicken out and order to SEV)
>sil ????? (please TELL me what to order, I promise I won't question your
>decision)
Isn't Armenia->Sevastopol superior to Armenia->Ankara in that it makes
certain the instant death of Turkey?
[I'll make a prediction for French moves: Trieste->Serbia;
Aegean->Constantinople; BlackSea->Rumania, to cut all supports for any
attack on Bulgaria, plus Vienna->Budapest.]
Ivy
Message from Italy to England
>
> Isn't Armenia->Sevastopol superior to Armenia->Ankara in that it makes
> certain the instant death of Turkey?
>
Nothing is certain in this game:
ank-bla
arm-sev
BLA-ARM
and Ankara remains Turkish. I know, I know. What are the odds?
I'll most likely order the 'superior' move.
Idalia
Message from England to Italy
>Nothing is certain in this game:
My poor tactical ability seems certain.
>ank-bla
>arm-sev
>BLA-ARM
>and Ankara remains Turkish.
Yup.
> I know, I know. What are the odds?
Truly slim, because France/Turkey will not expect Ankara->BlackSea
Ivy
Message from Russia to England and Italy
> Message from England to Italy and Russia in 'titleist':
>
> It seems to be clear that Silesia supports Munich and that Warsaw remains
> in Italian hands for another year.
Actually my "if I don't get any mail before the deadline" moves were
Lvn-StP,
Gal-War. 8-) Taking War probably makes more sense in terms of being
able to build near the front next year, but if it's too late to change that,
I'll
leave Warsaw Italian this year.
>ser - bul
>rum s ser - bul
>con s ser - bul
>smy - aeg
>ank - bla
>arm - ank (although I may chicken out and order to SEV)
>sil - war
> Isn't Armenia->Sevastopol superior to Armenia->Ankara in that it makes
> certain the instant death of Turkey?
Yes, but we need an Italian Unit in Syr much more than we do in Sev. I
think Idalia is right that Bla-Sev is unlikely. I'd assume that France will
try
to coordinate move with Ali, and Bla-Sev doesn't help France, even if it
succeeds.
> [ I'll make a prediction for French moves: Trieste->Serbia;
> Aegean->Constantinople; BlackSea->Rumania, to cut all
> supports for any attack on Bulgaria, plus Vienna->Budapest.]
Sounds clever enough.
Nick.
Message from England to Italy and Russia
>> Isn't Armenia->Sevastopol superior to Armenia->Ankara in that it makes
>> certain the instant death of Turkey?
>
>Yes, but we need an Italian Unit in Syr much more than we do in Sev.
I think that Nick and I disagree (respectfully) on this one. An army in
Syria is needed only if France manages to occupy Bulgaria, Aegean, and
EasMed. But he cannot advance Greece & Aegean to Aegean & EasMed without
losing Bulgaria. In that case, fleets in Aegean and EasMed don't help him
anymore. If Armenia does manage to go to Sevastopol, it can continue on to
Rumania, because the current army in Rumania will push on to Bulgaria or
Budapest. Probably. 8-)
>Actually my "if I don't get any mail before the deadline" moves were
>Lvn-StP,
>Gal-War. 8-) Taking War probably makes more sense in terms of being
>able to build near the front next year, but if it's too late to change that,
>I'll
>leave Warsaw Italian this year.
I am very worried that there is going to be an accidental misunderstanding
between the two of you on what is happening or not happening in Warsaw this
turn. I say that, because I myself do not know what is going to happen
there. I hope you can straighten this out, even at this late hour.
Ivy
England: Fleet English Channel → Picardy
England: Fleet Irish Sea SUPPORT Fleet North Atlantic Ocean → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
England: Army Kiel SUPPORT Russian Fleet Belgium → Holland
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean → Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Russian Fleet Belgium → Holland
England: Army Sweden → Denmark
England: Army Yorkshire → Wales
France: Fleet Aegean Sea → Constantinople (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Brest SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Bulgaria (south coast) SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea → Constantinople (*cut*)
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Picardy → Belgium
France: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Fleet Bulgaria (south coast)
France: Army Holland SUPPORT Army Picardy → Belgium (*destroyed*)
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean SUPPORT Russian Fleet Belgium → English Channel (*void*)
France: Army Picardy → Belgium
France: Army Piedmont → Tyrolia
France: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Holland
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Trieste SUPPORT Army Vienna → Budapest
France: Army Vienna → Budapest
Italy: Fleet Ankara → Black Sea (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Armenia → Ankara (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Serbia → Bulgaria (*cut*)
Italy: Army Rumania SUPPORT Army Serbia → Bulgaria (*cut*)
Italy: Army Serbia → Bulgaria (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Silesia SUPPORT Russian Army Munich
Italy: Fleet Smyrna → Aegean Sea (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Belgium → Holland
Russia: Army Galicia → Vienna
Russia: Army Livonia → Warsaw
Russia: Army Munich SUPPORT English Army Kiel → Ruhr (*void*)
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea → Rumania (*bounce*)
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