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France: Builds 3 units
Italy: Builds 1 unit
Turkey: Removes 1 unit
Message from Russia to Italy
Idalia,
> > Could you point me to what you consider to be my "deception"?
>I felt convinced you were not be completely
>forthright with me last spring. I was not thrilled to hear that you had
>discussed our talks about Sevastopol
>with France and then used his advice to finalize your decision to support
>me there under the guise of 'working together' to prevent French expansion.
Well, that's an interesting perspective. I decided
to support you into Sev because I felt it was the
only way I could get you to oppose France, and I
felt, and still feel, that you slowing France's
growth is important.
>if I had moved Gal-Vie and Ukr-Sev, are you going to tell me the
>following would not have occurred (or at least been attempted)?
>
>France->Turkey: France->Russia: Russia->Turkey:
When was the last time you heard from Turkey??? He
hasn't responded to any of my letters since before
he moved to Moscow. As near as I can tell he's just
been entering moves since 9/11. If you're working
with me to stop France, and eliminate Turkey, and
negotiating with me, I'd have to be a moron to try
to coordinate something with Turkey. Would France
have attempted it? Possibly. Would Turkey have
responded? I doubt it. Would I betray an ally
who was working with me, and did not pose a threat
to me? Hell, no! You can't build, you can't hold
the line against France and attack me. That makes
you a much better ally than Turkey, even if you
were both talking.
>It is my opinion that this Englishman has no
>intention of issuing a 'set draw' command unless he has the most units on
>the board and he certainly is not going to set a goal for himself of being
>a 4 unit power in a 4 way draw.
That's part of the reason I've been so hesitant to
let him take Kiel. From Kiel it's much easier for
him to stab me.
>In a normal game, sure, that would be an option. The point of this game is
>to win the tournament not to survive as a lesser power in a draw.
Yes, but it's still a JDPR rated game, and a Draw
against Roger Yonkoski is still better than a loss.
If I had been able to knock him down to four Centers
he'd be faced with a draw or lose choice. I don't
think he'd choose the loss.
If you work with me, do you face the threat of
elimination? Sure you do. If you work with me,
do you have a chance to share in a Draw? Yes,
you do. Will attacking me result in a French Solo?
Probably. I'm letting England into Kiel, against
my better judgment. I encourage you to order
Sev Hold, War-Sil. First we have to stop France.
Work with me, and we can sort out the endgame
together.
Sincerely,
Nick.
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Yes, but it's still a JDPR rated game, and a Draw
> against Roger Yonkoski is still better than a loss.
>
Any talk of the JDPR or other rating system will fall on deaf ears here. I
could care less about how good or bad Doug's system rates me (or any other
rating system for that matter). I don't play the game for that purpose.
The only reason I even know who you are talking about when you refer to Mr.
Yonkoski (assuming, of course, that's not me) is because he coordinated
Doug's gift. Ask me who else is playing in this game and I couldn't tell
you without referring to a reference.
> If you work with me, do you have a chance to share
> in a Draw? Yes, you do.
Being blunt, I will only 'set draw' if I have the most units on the board.
Otherwise, this game will end in a solo victory or my elimination.
> First we have to stop France. Work with me, and we
> can sort out the endgame together.
>
I started writing this note before the results came in. Now that I've read
the results, I wish I had moved to Silesia. It would also appear that
Turkey was listening to somebody rather just entering orders. Unless France
had your permission, it would also appear that you were wrong about Holland.
Is it too late to stop France? I suppose the answer will depend on the next
round of ERI negotiations.
Idalia
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Being blunt, I will only 'set draw' if I have the most units
> on the board.
> Otherwise, this game will end in a solo victory or my elimination.
>
I forgot to add:
That said, if somebody moves to eliminate me from the game because of this
policy, I would move to assist the power with the best chance at soloing.
Your "alliance" with France to prevent your elimination at the hands of
England is proof enough for me that you understand what I am talking about.
Message from France to Italy
Idalia:
Congratulations on the near Turkish elimination!
Russia wanted, in the worst way, for me to attack you.
I expect to get similar messages from him this year.
You will want to finish off Turkey, but do you want
to continue our relationship with you taking the
Russian centers as well?
I have to go deal with the Screaming and yelling
and will write again later.
--Prince Boar
Message from Russia to Italy
Idalia,
> Being blunt, I will only 'set draw' if I have the most units
> on the board.
Fair enough, but that's an impossibilty unless you head west before France
solidifies his lines.
> That said, if somebody moves to eliminate me from the game because of this
> policy, I would move to assist the power with the best chance at soloing.
> Your "alliance" with France to prevent your elimination at the hands of
> England is proof enough for me that you understand what I am talking
about.
No, there's a difference. I'm not supporting France into English Centers,
and
up until I screwed up this Fall, I wasn't letting France walk into my
Centers.
I was keeping myself in the game, not throwing it to France.
Nick.
Message from Italy to England and Russia
Gentlemen,
I am willing to try again. I think (hope) we understand each other's
position better. I take full responsibility for the results of the past
year. It was, and still is, a difficult time for me.
France is at 14. Personally, I don't see where the next four are coming
from.
Personally, for the time being, I would like to keep the southeast corner
(rum,bul,con,smy,ser,sev,ank (assuming I can get it)). That's 7. Warsaw
would be returned to Russia.
I'm not usually much for discussing movement details until seeing
adjustments, but for the sake of time am willing to adjust that policy as
long as we discuss both Turkish possibilities.
I'll start with War-Ukr, Sev-Arm, Rum s Ukr-Gal. I'm sure there are other
options.
Respectively,
Idalia (I will return to being Roberto if and when that last yellow thing is
removed from the board)
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> No, there's a difference. I'm not supporting France into
> English Centers, and up until I screwed up this Fall, I
> wasn't letting France walk into my Centers.
> I was keeping myself in the game, not throwing it to France.
>
And this difference is related to being a corner power or a middle power.
As Italy, I can't have two corner powers on either end of me who both want
me eliminated.
It is my belief (my style per se), that I had to throw all of my weight
against one of them at any cost and worry about the outcome later. Later
has arrived.
Message from Italy to France
>
> Congratulations on the near Turkish elimination!
>
Thank you. I couldn't have done it without your support.
> Russia wanted, in the worst way, for me to attack you.
> I expect to get similar messages from him this year.
>
England and Russia have wanted me for years to attack you. I expect to get
similar messages from them this year.
> You will want to finish off Turkey, but do you want
> to continue our relationship with you taking the
> Russian centers as well?
>
The final elimination of Turkey is still my only goal. After that, I have
no excuse not to listen to the screams of ER to prevent a French solo. I'm
comfortable with holding the southeast corner and remaining at 7 units. I
don't plan on attempting to take centers back from you but I don't feel the
immediate need to take any more centers from Russia. At that point, I'd
issue a 'set draw' command. Everybody gets what they want - England and
Russia get a draw in a high-rated game, you get declared the winner of the
tournament, and for me the game finally ends.
Now, if your goal is to gain a solo in the game beyond just winning the
tournament, then you'll probably face a bit more resistance, at least from
my end, in reaching that goal and much more reluctance to 'set draw' without
the existence of a viable stalemate line.
Thus, if your goal is to simply win the tournament, you need do nothing
further. If your goal is to gain a solo victory, you should prepare for an
ERI coalition.
Idalia
Message from England to Italy
Idalia,
>I am willing to try again. I think (hope) we understand each other's
>position better. I take full responsibility for the results of the past
>year. It was, and still is, a difficult time for me.
I was stunned by the help you received from France. France has made great
strides as long as Turkey was a viable thorn at your back. By helping to
eliminate Turkey, France permits you to dig in and defend against him.
>France is at 14. Personally, I don't see where the next four are coming
>from.
Belgium, Budapest, Berlin ... it will be tight. He has 5, soon 6, armies
in central Europe. will he be able to coordinate them before we set up a
defense?
>I'll start with War-Ukr, Sev-Arm, Rum s Ukr-Gal. I'm sure there are other
>options.
Yes, I may be lobbying for War->Silesia again. I think it is all going to
happen in central Europe.
The key now is the Russian temperment. He suddenly softened this morning
with an apology plus the move to Kiel. Both must have been very difficult
for him to accept. Let's hope that your success and his relative setback
do not harden him once again. He needs to be confident of getting Warsaw
and StP this year. His pride will probably lead him to demand Sevastopol.
I hope we can postpone an argument over that.
We haven't stopped France yet. Frankly, my hope has increased greatly.
Ivy
[One more thing. I think the Holland move was a bit of a stab. I hope so.
I want Russia to be wholly dependent on an alliance with us.]
Message from France to Italy
Idalia:
Thanks for the note. I always knew that when Turkey fell
that I would face a large Italy that could stop my
growth. I was comfortable with that and still am.
I think that there may be some discussion on the possible
elimiantion of Russia, but that is mostly up to Ivy. He
would have to do most of the work.
It certainly has been a strange game and our relationship
the last few years has been strange. People will
certainly second guess our actions. I wonder what the
observers have been saying? It would be interesting to
know. But by the time that I can actually find out I
probably will no longer care. It has been a long two
years.
Are you going to let me take one or two more center as
you eliminate Turkey, just for old times sake? :-) We
both have been completely true to our promises along this
unusual path.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to all
I have an experiment all day today and will have little
time for diplomacy. I will most likely respond to any
mail tonight.
Have a great day.
France
Message from England to Italy and Russia
France now suggests that his winning chances are gone and that I might like
to participate in the elimination of Russia and accept a 3-way with him and
Italy.
No thanks. His winning chances are not gone, and the three of us have work
to do.
Sure, elimination of Russia might be discussable down the road. Or
England, or Italy, or even France. Not now. First I wish to see France
brought back from the cusp of victory. Way back. If we think the job is
done and renew the fight amongst ourselves, we only give France a second
chance.
If the three of us are going to argue, let's argue over the best strategy
to finish France's victory chances beyond doubt. Let's argue over how many
units he has to lose or surrender before we celebrate.
I am still motivated by France's reference to "my victory" [i.e., France's
victory] some time back. That was a bit premature.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England and Italy
>Message from Italy to England and Russia in 'titleist':
>France is at 14. I don't see where the next four are coming from.
Bel, Kie, Ber, Bud, Ser, Bul, Con/Smy (with Turkish
help). Will it be easy for him? No. Are his
tactics as good as diploming? Let's hope not. 8-)
Is it possible? Certainly. I do not see Prince
Boar setting draw any time soon, even if he is in
the lead.
>I would like to keep the southeast corner
>(rum,bul,con,smy,ser,sev,ank (assuming I can get it)). That's 7. Warsaw
>would be returned to Russia.
Serbia cannot be held, and I'm not sure that Rum
and Bul can hold without Fleets in EMed and Aeg.
I will take Warsaw back, though, thanks. 8-)
Nick.
Message from France to all
Sorry, I thought that I had 23 hours, which should have
been tonight sometime? Oh well, my orders are in.
France
France: BUILD Army Marseilles
France: BUILD Army Paris
France: WAIVE
Italy: WAIVE
Turkey: REMOVE Army Ankara
Centers
England: 7
France: 14
Italy: 8
Russia: 4
Turkey: 1
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