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Message from Italy to England and Russia
My only and final comment (to Russia) is I don't appreciate wasting five
full days of painful negotiations just to have you decide to change your
orders two hours before the deadline. It is my sincere hope that I never
have to go thru that process again in this game or any game in the future.
Any mail from Russia to Italy for the remainder of this game will be deleted
unread.
Roberto
Message from Russia to all
> Movement results for Spring of 1914. (titleist.054)
> Italy: Army Bohemia -> Galicia.
> Italy: Army Munich -> Silesia.
> Italy: Army Vienna SUPPORT Army Bohemia -> Galicia.
What's the matter, Roberto? Do you lack the guts to throw
the game to Roger by just giving him your Centers? You think
that attacking me, will give your poor play, and poor
sportsmanship, some sort of legitimacy?
Czar Nicholas II
Message from Italy to England and France
This message is not an attempt to influence anybody's decision on the rest
of this game, but I felt it proper to give you two some fair warning.
Doug has known since New Year's Eve and I have known since a couple of days
before Xmas. This coming Wednesday, I will be undergoing a surgical
procedure to correct an injury in my right shoulder (don't worry, it's not
life threatening). However, depending on the damage the surgeon needs to
correct, it is possible that I will require an extensive deadline extension
if my participation is still required in this game - possibly as long as six
weeks or more.
Again, I do not want to influence the rightful outcome of the game. I just
didn't want Doug to spring the news to you early next week.
Ken
Message from France to Italy
Wow!
Why did you not tell me you were going for it? Probably did not want me
to take advantage of it?
How do you plan to keep Munich from Ivy? I can try to bounce him I
suppose. I just do not know if I want to invest two units to do that.
I am guessing that Ivy did not expect your moves.
Do not forget to use the line:
Back off man, I am a computer scientist! :-)
--King Roger XIII
Message from France to England and Italy
Ken:
I guess that we can try to hurry the game to get in as much as we can
before you need to take some time off. But then we will just have to
wait for you. I assume that you will have trouble typing with one hand
:-) Maybe you should invest in a voice recognition program :-)
Best of luck with your surgery!!!
Roger
Message from Italy to France
>
> Why did you not tell me you were going for it?
>
Because I changed my orders at approximately 8:20 pm after reading a message
from Russia that, after five days if intense painful negotiations, he was
changing his orders to something we hadn't agreed upon two hours before the
deadline. There was no time to tell you as I had to tuck my daughter into
bed at 8:30.
> How do you plan to keep Munich from Ivy? I can try to bounce him I
> suppose. I just do not know if I want to invest two units to do that.
I have no plans to keep Ivy out of Munich. If he wants it and you let him
take it by not bouncing him, he can have it. Or, I might be convinced to
support you there myself.
> I am guessing that Ivy did not expect your moves.
Correct.
> Do not forget to use the line:
> Back off man, I am a computer scientist! :-)
lol, so is Nick.
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Ken:
>>Do not forget to use the line:
>>Back off man, I am a computer scientist! :-)
>lol, so is Nick.
It is good that you two are on opposite sides of the country. :-)
I guess that Allen and Eric live close, but I do not think they will
hang out. Allen came to Rochester to drop off his son at College and
they were kind enough to let me intrude on their Lunch. It was nice.
Rest assured no negotiating took place, especially since Ivy had no
reason to negotiate with me. :-) All I did was let him know that the
game deadline was advanced and we bored his family with general
diplomacy talk :-)
I think that I was supposed to convince his wife that Diplomacy players
are normal. A tough task for me! :-)
Roger
Message from Russia to Master, England, France, and Italy
I have issued all HOLD orders and Set Draw.
Eric.
Message from England to Italy
Ken,
>possibly as long as six weeks or more.
That sounds potentially nasty, even if it isn't "life threatening." Good luck.
********
Roberto,
I am not playing at my best. When I saw Nick's move change, I said to
myself, "Oh, no." But I didn't have the energy or patience to write him
and beg him to change his mind. I just shook my head and went to bed,
never waiting for the results. I may have been able to prevent it.
Probably not, though, knowing Nick.
At this point I do not know what to hope for from you.
You might wish me luck while calmly making whatever moves you feel like
making to harm Nick.
You might make moves to harm Nick, tell me those moves, and then wish me luck.
You might throw in the towel and make moves that I ask you to make.
Anyway, all I request at this point is some brief indication of your mood,
whether or not it corresponds with any of the above or something else.
Ivy
Message from Italy to England
>
> Anyway, all I request at this point is some brief indication of your
> mood, whether or not it corresponds with any of the above or something >
else.
>
Not sure how to respond. If you feel there is still hope to salvage
something out of this game, then I suppose I would enter orders that you
request. I would simply ask that, if possible, they meet the following
criteria:
1) they provide the best possible defense against a French victory
2) they do not give Russia any possible chance at coming back and winning
the tournament
Oh, I suppose there is a third criteria. Something like Bud supp Vie-Tri is
probably not a good suggestion.
Please note, there is no explicit or implied criteria that requires Italian
survival either this year or any year hence.
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
I regret to inform you that rides on the Urban Assault Vehicle are limited
to hot looking chicks in military uniform. That's a fact Jack! Somehow, I
doubt you and your geeky underwear qualify. :)
However, I can offer you some plastic explosives I no longer have any use
for.
Bill
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
I will see what I can do. I will get back to you, although it may be a while.
Allen/Ivy
>Not sure how to respond. If you feel there is still hope to salvage
>something out of this game, then I suppose I would enter orders that you
>request. I would simply ask that, if possible, they meet the following
>criteria:
>
>1) they provide the best possible defense against a French victory
>2) they do not give Russia any possible chance at coming back and winning
>the tournament
>
>Oh, I suppose there is a third criteria. Something like Bud supp Vie-Tri is
>probably not a good suggestion.
>
>Please note, there is no explicit or implied criteria that requires Italian
>survival either this year or any year hence.
>
>Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
If you are willing to support Bur to Mun, and Russia orders as promised,
we can end this thing now. You my want to also order Gal -> War and we
can support each other in Vie and Tri?
We could then end this thing as soon as possible and move on with out
lives.
--King Roger XIII
PS:
>rides on the Urban Assault Vehicle are limited to hot looking chicks
in military uniform. >That's a fact Jack! Somehow, I doubt you and
your geeky underwear qualify. :)
I must admit that I would not qualify! (Unless you wish to frighten the
enemy!) But technically only your wife and daughter should qualify ;-)
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
Can you live with:
Silesia->Munich (supported by me)
Galicia supp Vienna
Vienna supp Albania->Trieste
These are my suggestions, now acceptable to Russia after brief
debate. They are compatible with a couple of anti-French options we are
considering. You are guaranteed to retain possession of Munich and
Vienna. I think you have a better than 50-50 chance of retaining Ankara,
as well, provided we correctly guess what Black Sea is doing.
How about some input here. What are the odds that France will order Black
Sea->Ankara? I have my own hunch.
Allen/Ivy
Message from England to all
Can anyone tell me why I have seen no new messages at rec.games.diplomacy
in several weeks?
Allen
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Have you come to any conclusion on your orders? I am
hoping that you will support Bur to Mun and attack Bud.
I assume that Gal is going to be ordered to Warsaw.
With these moves we accomplish one of two things:
1) We end the game as quickly as possible if Russia is
really just going to hold
2) We prevent him growing too much if he changes his
mind.
Let me know what you are thinking.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Italy to France
>
> 1) We end the game as quickly as possible if Russia is
> really just going to hold
>
I don't think Russia is just going to hold.
See a partial snippet of what I got from Ivy this morning.
> Roberto,
>
> Can you live with:
>
> Vienna supp Albania->Trieste
>
> These are my suggestions, now acceptable to Russia after brief
> debate.
>
I have not decided on my moves. Supporting Bur-Mun is probably not
something I will ultimately choose however.
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Thanks for the honest reply.
I guess that this game will drag on for a long time to
come. I will be knocked back down. Russia and perhaps
England will grow a bit.
Oh well, it can't hurt to hope for the end. :-)
--King Roger XIII
Message from Italy to France
>
> I guess that this game will drag on for a long time to
> come. I will be knocked back down. Russia and perhaps
> England will grow a bit.
>
Keep in mind, I never said I'd agreed to support Alb-Tri. I honestly still
don't know what I will do. I doubt supporting Russia anywhere will figure
into the equation though. Vienna-Budapest is my current default order.
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Thanks for the clarification. It is a significant point.
Can we find a way to help each other? I know that I
cannot win this turn (if ever). But we could try to
cooperate some, to our mutual benefit.
Let me know if you have any ideas.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Italy to England
>
> Can you live with:
>
> Silesia->Munich (supported by me)
I'd prefer:
ruh supp ber->mun; sil-ber
> Galicia supp Vienna
Yes.
> Vienna supp Albania->Trieste
Uh, I'm not in the mood right now to support Russian attacks.
>
> How about some input here. What are the odds that France
> will order Black Sea->Ankara?
>
Better than 50%. Russia has my blessing to order arm->ank if you think that
best.
Roberto
Message from England to Italy and Russia
Roberto,
This is probably my last e-mail before the moves are due. I have had
enough back-and-forth with Russia and I must devote some time to real life
matters. I am summarizing the Italian and English moves as I understand
them. Nick is getting a copy of this, so he can use the information as
best he can to plan his anti-French moves.
Liverpool->NAO
Irish supp Channel
Channel supp Belgium
North Sea supp Belgium
Belgium supp Ruhr
Ruhr supp Berlin->Munich
Berlin->Munich
Norway holds
Silesia->Berlin
Galicia supp Vienna
Vienna holds? or supp Galicia?
You aversion for Vienna supp Albania->Trieste messes up the primary plan
that I suggested to Russia, but he had alternate ideas anyway.
I don't know what is going to happen, because Nick and I are beginning to
argue after a good start to negotiations. Let's stick to the above moves
and hope for the best. I am confident that Nick will make good anti-French
moves, simply because it is in his best interest to do so.
As for me, I have tried the past few days and now must leave it up to Nick.
Ivy/Allen
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
I think that you said that you were likely to order Vie to Bud? I hope
that you will. I am trying to minimize Russia's gains. Admittedly they
also minimize my losses :-) I hope that you can help out. I would
like to at least break even so I can maintain my stalemate line against
Ivy. As long as I am a threat to him, he cannot use his resources to
take your holdings in Germany. Then again, it is a guessing game about
Munich right now. It is not certain if we will use the same and
bounce. I would prefer you to not lose any units. So if you are
worried about Ivy taking Munich, let me know what I can do to help.
Feel free to order Gal to Ukr :-) I am guessing that Sil -> War will
work just fine. Russia is focussed on me right now. Please do not let
him keep that center.
If you glean any information about Russia is doing, I will listen.
--King Roger XIII
Message from Italy to France
>
> I think that you said that you were likely to order Vie to Bud?
> I hope that you will.
>
Is Vienna safe from French attack? If so, I'll go ahead and order the hit
on Budapest. If not, I might order Gal supp Vie to hold.
Roberto
England: Army Belgium SUPPORT Army Ruhr
England: Army Berlin → Munich
England: Fleet English Channel SUPPORT Army Belgium
England: Fleet Irish Sea SUPPORT Fleet English Channel
England: Fleet Liverpool → North Atlantic Ocean (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Army Belgium
England: Fleet Norway HOLD
England: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Berlin → Munich
France: Fleet Aegean Sea CONVOY Army Apulia → Smyrna
France: Army Apulia → Ionian Sea → Aegean Sea → Smyrna
France: Fleet Black Sea → Ankara (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Brest SUPPORT Army Picardy
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT English Army Ruhr → Munich (*void*)
France: Fleet Ionian Sea CONVOY Army Apulia → Smyrna
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → North Atlantic Ocean (*bounce*)
France: Army Paris SUPPORT Army Burgundy
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT Army Burgundy
France: Army Piedmont → Tyrolia
France: Army Rumania → Serbia (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) SUPPORT Fleet Western Mediterranean → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Trieste → Serbia (*bounce*)
France: Army Tyrolia → Bohemia
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean → Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Galicia → Budapest
Italy: Army Silesia → Berlin
Italy: Army Vienna SUPPORT Army Galicia → Budapest
Russia: Army Albania → Serbia (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Armenia → Ankara (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Albania → Serbia (*cut, destroyed*)
Russia: Army Serbia → Bulgaria
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Moscow
Russia: Fleet Sweden → Finland
Russia: Army Ukraine → Rumania (*bounce*)
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