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Italy: Builds 2 units
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from England to all
Hats off to Austria, for he is one of us.
Most of the rest of us will be joining you in good time, my friend.
Ivy Wingo
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
How about that!
Thats the first time that you were dishonest with me. Since it would have
made little difference in the west had you been honest, I suspect that you
had to lie to me in order to cover your play against Turkey.
Right?
Ivy
Message from Austria to all
> Most of the rest of us will be joining you in good time, my friend.
The Archduke fled the capital, and escaped in the confusion; from time to
time, I will pass on his messages and comments. At the moment, he is still
trying to familiarize himself with his new accomodations.
Miranda, for Austria-Hungary, by the Grace of Archduke Ferdinand
Message from Italy to England
>
> Thats the first time that you were dishonest with me. Since it would
> have made little difference in the west had you been honest, I suspect
> that you had to lie to me in order to cover your play against Turkey.
>
Exactly. It was an unfortunate side-effect of the negotiations we got
involved in the other day. I agonized over the moves but when I really
looked at what Turkey wanted me to do, I realized I would be setting myself
up for a huge fall in a year or two. Yes, I could have successfully
attacked France and gained MAR and SPA but I would have had to move several
units west to hold them. In the meantime, Turkey is at 8 and growing and I
have virtually no defense of GRE/VIE other than his good graces. In the
final analysis, I didn't want to see a 12-unit Turkey in the endgame. I
wouldn't like my chances.
Now, my 'war' with Turkey will undoubtedly take many years to achieve
success, if that's even possible. I definitely do not want to see you be
taken over by FG so I'm not going to completely clear out of the west;
however, I can't promise that I will attack France anytime in the near
future.
I had a difficult choice to make. My units were already east. If I was
going to make a play for Turkey, it had to be now.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
> Goodbye, Ali. I'd like to say it was nice working with you,
> but since you never did work with me, I really can't.
>
Is there something I should/need to do to make sure I don't get a similar
letter in the future?
Taking on Turkey was a difficult decision to make. One that I made on my
own without expecting any assistance. It was now or never though. I fully
expect a long and drawn out fight.
I make no claim to further centers and would be interested in working with
you to split some Turkish centers. I realize that you have your hands full
with Germany and it might be best for you just to have Turkey and I fight
but if you are interested in support for an attack let me know.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
> > Goodbye, Ali. I'd like to say it was nice working with you,
> > but since you never did work with me, I really can't.
>
> Is there something I should/need to do to make sure I don't get a
> similar letter in the future?
Don't promise me growth in three years out of four, and renege
each time.
> Taking on Turkey was a difficult decision to make. One that I made
> on my own without expecting any assistance. It was now or never
> though. I fully expect a long and drawn out fight.
I would have preferred that you had taken a more pro-Russian
position with Ali, rather than suggesting that you take Spa and Vie,
while he took Bud and Sev, but my actions will continue to be based
on German moves next Spring, at least.
> I make no claim to further centers and would be interested in working with
> you to split some Turkish centers. I realize that you have your hands
full
> with Germany and it might be best for you just to have Turkey and I fight
> but if you are interested in support for an attack let me know.
The Western Triangle is in a complete state of flux at this point, and
as long as you remain neutral, it should take some time to resolve. I'm
hoping that Fredd will Convoy Lvn-Swe to attack England, which would
free me up to attack Rum and/or Sev. How are your communications
with the Western Powers?
Nick.
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
First, we congratulate you on your success. I suspect
that Turkey will not like what he sees upon his return.
Second, my brother and I do thank you greatly for your
continue good faith and help for the French people.
Together we have successful in turning back the English
invaders and France has made a decent recovery. We have
not prospered, but we survive. And for that we thank.
Although we do realize that doing so may have been in
your best interest, we appreciate your choosing to help
France rather than take the easy gains, such as Spain.
Ivy indicated that you could have had it if you wanted to
have it. We thank you for passing it up. I presume that
he is why he moved from the Mid-Atlantic Ocean and that
he told you that he would do so. I do not know whether
he guess that I would be taking it from Spain or whether
you mentioned it to him. No matter, it is an unimportant
detail.
At this time, I feel ready to have you retreat from WES.
The Tyrrhenian Sea or Tunis would be wonderful. If
England and Germany join against me again, I can always
call for your help again.
I have a question for you. If I manage to make a
successful attack on England, with Germany assistance,
will you allow me success or will you choose to stalemate
the situation, thereby limiting a threat to Italy.
Granted a growing France would concern you. But it would
also be a threat to Germany. If England and France
continue to remain even, then there can be no threat
against Germany, because our forces will balance
ourselves. I understand that you do not desire to have a
threatened Germany now, but some day it will be in your
best interest. Can I count of Italy to celebrate any
success that I have?
--Prince Boar
Message from France to all
France wishes the Best to Archduke Ferdinand.
May he enjoy his retirement. We shall be thinking of
him.
Also please give our best to Felicia. We enjoyed our
conversations with her.
--Prince Boar
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
> > That's the first time that you were dishonest with me. Since it would
> > have made little difference in the west had you been honest, I suspect
> > that you had to lie to me in order to cover your play against Turkey.
>
>Exactly. It was an unfortunate side-effect of the negotiations we got
>involved in the other day.
Just for the record. Although including me in the deception was probably
the safest thing to do, I would have been discreet had I known that you
were not going to take Spain. Veteran diplomats can handle lies routinely,
but I think most of us don't forgive tattle-tails. I would have been aware
that our relationship would have been ruined forever if I had known of your
plans and had warned Turkey. Besides, I too was worried about the growing
power of Turkey.
As for my move MAO->IRI, which was the result of our recent conversations,
I say you owe me a little! Let me know when you are ready to repay
me. Remember, from me you will get compound interest on small acts of
kindness.
Most cordially,
Ivy
Message from Germany to Italy
R.
Do my eyes decieve me, or did you just stab Turkey again? If so, it
seems to be working for you.
Unfortunately you are now the 800 lb gorilla. I wonder if everyone will
turn on you. I, for one, certainly hope that I don't see an army in
TYR again, soon.
Fredd
Message from Italy to Germany
> Do my eyes decieve me, or did you just stab Turkey again?
>
Let's just say, he won't be pleased with my moves. But what he suggested I
move wasn't very good for Italy's future.
> If so, it seems to be working for you.
That's yet to be determined. I actually stabbed Turkey with anyone's
knowledge and not expecting any assistance. It was a very difficult choice
to make especially since I knew he would be getting a build out of the deal
as well.
> Unfortunately you are now the 800 lb gorilla. I wonder if everyone will
> turn on you.
Everyone? Doubtful. Somebody other Turkey? Certainly possible.
I was somewhat banking on your earlier message about GF vs E. I would move
in at the appropriate time to keep France busy while you mopped up England.
My war with Turkey will take quite a bit of effort and time. That's the
downside. The upside is, I don't have to completely eliminate him, just
keep him tucked away in his corner. I should have several units at my
disposal free to do various French spy maneuvers.
> I, for one, certainly hope that I don't see an army in TYR again, soon.
I currently have an army build ordered but it will not by moving to Tyrolia.
It will most likely take residence in Trieste as I evict Turkey from
Idalia's homeland.
Peace with Germany is an absolute requirement for my success and I will do
anything to maintain that peace.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
>
> First, we congratulate you on your success. I suspect
> that Turkey will not like what he sees upon his return.
>
I suspect not.
> Although we do realize that doing so may have been in
> your best interest, we appreciate your choosing to help
> France rather than take the easy gains, such as Spain.
> Ivy indicated that you could have had it if you wanted to
> have it.
I had mentioned to Ivy that I asked you to take the MAO from Spain but I
wasn't positive from where you were moving. He felt resigned to losing the
MAO and mentioned he would be retreating to the IRI and that, if France was
indeed moving Spain, that I would be able to move in and take it. Frankly,
I was insulted by his short-sided approach as clearly Spain could not be
held.
> At this time, I feel ready to have you retreat from WES.
As we discussed. I'm happy to return home. Let me know if you require my
fleet's assistance again.
> Can I count of Italy to celebrate any success that I have?
Italy rejoices over the prospect of French success. We wish you the best
and please do not hesitate to seek our assistance either diplomatically or
militarally.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> I would have preferred that you had taken a more pro-Russian
> position with Ali, rather than suggesting that you take Spa and Vie,
> while he took Bud and Sev, but my actions will continue to be based
> on German moves next Spring, at least.
>
What exactly did Mr. Wingo tell you?
Your words above imply that it was my suggestion that I take Spa and Vie.
Quite the contrary. I was all set to order Tri s Ser-Bud and hold my
position. Turkey, I, and you would all gain one. I was content and
pleased. Then, all of a sudden on deadline day, I get bombarded by ET with
a 'new plan'. They want me to take Spain - mind you I've never seen a more
short-sided move in my life - and Turkey would remain in SEV. They tried to
pull off the old you'll get two builds trick on me.
Should I have told you about the 'new plan'? Perhaps, but I'm not sure what
you would have done differently. Besides, I hate getting mail saying
so-and-so is going to stab you so I generally don't send that type of mail
myself.
> I'm hoping that Fredd will Convoy Lvn-Swe to attack England,
> which would free me up to attack Rum and/or Sev.
If you've got some guts,
gob-swe; lvn-stp; stp-fin in the spring followed by
fin-stp; swe s stp-nor in the fall would be an interesting combination.
> How are your communications with the Western Powers?
As far as I'm aware, cordial. France is happy that I kept my word and
helped him fend off England. Germany is happy that twice now I entered and
left Tyrolia without making a play for Munich. England concerns me as I
haven't really done him too many favors yet.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
Thanks for your note and assurances. I hope to someday
get some success for you to cheer. If you can convince
Germany to side with me, I would appreciate that. I
would at least like to know what he says, if there is
anything that you can share with me.
So how does it feel to be the one that everyone is
nervous about :-) People are sure starting to be
concerned about Italy. Congratulations, if that is
something to be happy about :-) At least it means that
you are doing well.
--Prince Boar
Message from Italy to Turkey
I suppose an explanation is in order.
I changed my orders at the last moment prior to the deadline after a full
hour of analyzing the consequences of taking Spain. In my mind, it would
not have been the correct move. I realize that you are still very powerful
and it will be extremely difficult to break thru your defenses. You have
many diplomatic options available to you as I made the moves on my own
accord without promises from any other power. I do not expect or anticipate
any help.
I know you'll probably spend the rest of the game attempting to wreck havoc
on the Italian empire. I don't blame you and would do the same if in your
shoes.
Roberto
Message from Germany to Italy
> Peace with Germany is an absolute requirement for my
> success and I will do anything to maintain that peace.
Would that include helping England against France? Or me against
France?
Fredd
Message from Italy to Germany
> > Peace with Germany is an absolute requirement for my
> > success and I will do anything to maintain that peace.
>
> Would that include helping England against France? Or me against
> France?
>
Either. Both. Your choice.
Roberto
Message from Master to all
Okay, I think my email is back. I got nothing in or out of
masseyd@btv.ibm.com for four or five days, then I got a flood
of about 300 mails in the last hour (in reverse chronological
order, for some reason).
Anyway, everything seems to be back to normal on my end.
I think we have everyone back from Labor Day vacation in the
U.S. and are ready to continue with the F1904B deadline
tonight.
Doug
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
> I changed my orders at the last moment prior to the deadline after a full
> hour of analyzing the consequences of taking Spain. In my mind, it would
> not have been the correct move.
I would love to hear the results of that analysis. Was it truly the
long-term consequences that decided you, or just the opportunity for a
really good stab? Or did you plan to stab me this year no matter what I
did?
I once again find myself writing to congratulate you on your ability to
blind-side me. And I again find myself asking, was there anything I could
have done differently to retain Italy as an ally?
> I realize that you are still very powerful
> and it will be extremely difficult to break thru your defenses. You have
> many diplomatic options available to you as I made the moves on my own
> accord without promises from any other power. I do not expect or
anticipate
> any help.
You won't need any help. Breaking through my defenses is only a matter of
time. I cannot hold against you in Austria or the Balkans, and as I remove
units I will quickly be reduced to my home centers, and will soon thereafter
lose even those.
In the meantime, you have not a single threat on the board. A very juicy
position, and one that's already caught a lot of attention. But any
"diplomatic options" I might have are useless if they don't translate to
action on the board.
> I know you'll probably spend the rest of the game attempting to wreck
havoc
> on the Italian empire. I don't blame you and would do the same if in your
> shoes.
I will spend the rest of the game trying to build Turkey. At the moment, my
prospects aren't good, and you're clearly my enemy. Be that as it may, I am
not a grudge player, as you've already learned in this game. If at some
point you choose to end your hostilities, my diplomatic channels will remain
open.
Ali
Message from Master to Austria, England, France, Germany, Italy, Russia, and Turkey
Just signing on to encourage End Of Year statements from the players,
especially from Austria (who I think mentioned that he'd be forthcoming
with one soon, anyway).
Thank you for playing Austria; I hope you'll stay on as an observer.
Feel free to continue to affect play in a verbal manner, if you wish.
Doug
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> I would love to hear the results of that analysis. Was it truly the
> long-term consequences that decided you, or just the opportunity for
> a really good stab? Or did you plan to stab me this year no matter
> what I did?
>
I did not plan to stab you this year, until about 15 minutes prior to the
deadline. I will say though, it was stab you now or probably never have the
chance again.
I'll try my best to re-create my analysis but must admit that most of it is
difficult to describe in words.
First, it hinged on a couple of assumptions.
1) Germany would be successful against Russia namely Sil-War allowing
Lvn-Stp to succeed or, even worse for Russia as it turns out, Lvn-Mos and
Gob-STP. The weaker Russia is, the easier and faster for you to take
MOS/WAR and turn your attention my direction.
2) I'm still not confident that Ivy is sincere in his desire to attack
France. He has, since the beginning of the game, tried to lure me into a
fight with France. I have my doubts he'd follow thru if I started. At this
point in the game, I don't think it would be to his advantage. Thus, I
feared I'd have to defend against French counter-attacks without any help
from either England or Germany. I am supremely confident that, even if I
did attack France, England would not allow my entrance into the MAO thus
limiting my gains to no more than Spain and Marseilles.
Tactically, I determined WMS-Spa to be just flat out a bad move. I had no
way of defending it so I would lose it back to France next year. The best I
could hope for was to trade it for Marseilles. But, I'd still have to build
fleets and move them west to block the West Med since France would most
assuredly remove an army and not one of his fleets. That leaves me with two
armies and a fleet (Tri,Vie,Gre) as defense against a Turkish stab. I felt
utterly mystified how I could possibly defend against your next two builds
AND fend off France.
I think if you set the board up and move the pieces and then take a look at
the game from an Italian perspective, you'll understand much better than me
trying desparately to describe it.
> I once again find myself writing to congratulate you on your
> ability to blind-side me. And I again find myself asking, was
> there anything I could have done differently to retain Italy
> as an ally?
>
Allowing Russia to re-capture his home centers. I think that would have
forced me to remain allied with you since Russia would be strong enough to
assist you against me.
>
> In the meantime, you have not a single threat on the board.
> A very juicy position, and one that's already caught a lot
> of attention.
>
I have heard from all of the Western powers and each one is concerned about
my, as one person termed it, '300 lb gorilla' size. They too see the threat
of Italy's size. It would not surprise me to see France turn his attention
my way as opposed to continuing his revenge tactics towards England.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to Master
Italy 1902 EoY statement:
Spring moves:
a tyr hold
a tun hold
f ion - eas
f nap - ion
Fall moves:
tun - ion - eas - smy
tyr hold
These moves were in direct conflict with a Turkish agreement. I had agreed
to not move into the EAS Med in return for Turkey building an army. This
seemed like such an obvious attack though that I couldn't pass it up.
Unfortunately, Austria made a set of moves which allowed Turkey to gain a
build. Austria decided he needed to pursue Russian territory as well as
keeping Turkey in check rather than solely concentrating on Turkey like I
had hoped. Going to have to re-evaluate.
Life is Beautiful,
Ken, aka Roberto
Message from Turkey to Italy
Roberto,
> I did not plan to stab you this year, until about 15 minutes prior to the
> deadline.
So you're saying that if the deadline hadn't been extended, you really would
have attacked France? You really know how to hurt a guy.
> I will say though, it was stab you now or probably never have the
> chance again.
And here I was worried about you stabbing me when I had my armies out of
position in Russia.
> I'll try my best to re-create my analysis but must admit that most of it
is
> difficult to describe in words.
Thanks for your explanation. I think you described your position clearly.
> 2) I'm still not confident that Ivy is sincere in his desire to attack
> France. He has, since the beginning of the game, tried to lure me into a
> fight with France.
Remarkable. From my perspective, he has seemed genuinely interested in
attacking France, since the beginning of the game. Naturally he'd want an
ally in the matter, and Germany certainly hasn't been too helpful in that
regard.
> > I once again find myself writing to congratulate you on your
> > ability to blind-side me. And I again find myself asking, was
> > there anything I could have done differently to retain Italy
> > as an ally?
> >
>
> Allowing Russia to re-capture his home centers. I think that would have
> forced me to remain allied with you since Russia would be strong enough to
> assist you against me.
Amazing. That's actually what I was favoring; when the Thursday deadline
passed, my orders were Bla S Sev-Rum. But I got the impression you were
uncomfortable with me taking Bud, and that you wanted me to attack Russia.
You even suggested I hit Moscow. I'll have to re-read your press and see if
I misinterpreted you somehow. Ivy at one point questioned my pro-Russian
proposals, suggesting that they would be regarded with suspicion by Italy,
since it might imply that I was planning to attack you. Really fascinating.
Well, I expected to learn a lot from this game, and so far I have *not* been
disappointed.
> I have heard from all of the Western powers and each one is concerned
about
> my, as one person termed it, '300 lb gorilla' size. They too see the
threat
> of Italy's size. It would not surprise me to see France turn his
attention
> my way as opposed to continuing his revenge tactics towards England.
Well, I can only hope. ;^)
All I can say is, I look forward to the contest, though not to the expected
results. And if you change your mind, you know where to find me.
Ali
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> So you're saying that if the deadline hadn't been extended,
> you really would have attacked France?
>
Only if I would have gained Bud and Vie. My timing might be off in regards
to what agreement was in place prior to the deadline being extended but I
think we were at the point of Italy getting Bud/Vie and moving to GOL/Pie
while Turkey remained in SEV with a gambit in Mos (which would have worked
by the way). It wasn't until England got involved that Spain was brought
into the equation.
>
> And here I was worried about you stabbing me when I had my
> armies out of position in Russia.
>
But my fleets would not have been in position. Plus, I was assuming that
one of your builds would have been a fleet thus effectively preventing my
stab. You can still build a fleet but of course I'm already in the Aegean
with support.
>
> > 2) I'm still not confident that Ivy is sincere in his
> desire to attack
> > France. He has, since the beginning of the game, tried to
> lure me into a
> > fight with France.
>
> Remarkable. From my perspective, he has seemed genuinely
> interested in attacking France, since the beginning of the
> game. Naturally he'd want an ally in the matter, and
> Germany certainly hasn't been too helpful in that regard.
>
You once mentioned something to me about being able to read a player and
having a reasonable idea what he would do. Just call it a gut feeling.
It's my Diplomacy intuition that Ivy's not on the level on this matter.
>
> Amazing. That's actually what I was favoring; when the
> Thursday deadline passed, my orders were Bla S Sev-Rum.
> But I got the impression you were uncomfortable with me
> taking Bud, and that you wanted me to attack Russia.
I was only uncomfortable, as it turns out, if you got Bud AND you remained
in Sev. The bad news for you is that I didn't come to that realization
until you were gone. By that time, there was nothing I could do to
negotiate. That's the bad part of email vs ftf Dip.
> You even suggested I hit Moscow. I'll have to re-read your
> press and see if I misinterpreted you somehow.
>
I recall you asking me if you thought you should try for Moscow IF you
stayed in Sev. I answered honestly by saying yes. This would have given me
Bud and Vie. I would have done that.
> Ivy at one point questioned my pro-Russian
> proposals, suggesting that they would be regarded with
> suspicion by Italy,
> since it might imply that I was planning to attack you.
>
Moral of the story: don't listen to Ivy so closely.
Roberto
Message from Italy to Master
Italy 1903 EoY statement:
Spring moves:
smy - eas - ion - alb
tyr - tri
nap - tys
Fall moves:
tri s Russian army gal - bud
alb s ion - gre
eas - ion
tys - wes
Having re-evaluated my position, I decided to stab Austria. His war with
Russia was delaying Turkey's demise and I felt France would be overrun by EG
before Turkey was controlled. With Turkey at my back and England having
access to the West Med, I didn't think I could wait out Austria's war with
Russia. I was a bit nervous that Turkey would follow thru in the fall. He
definitely had the option of siding with Austria. I suppose I got lucky
here.
I knew Galicia would not make Budapest as Turkey had told me that Austria
was moving Vie-Tri so the support was purely a diplomatic one. The new
Naples fleet moved west at the request of France. I hold open my options as
to whether I would support France or join EG.
Life is Beautiful,
Ken, aka Roberto
Message from Italy to Master
Italy 1904 EoY statement:
Spring moves:
alb - tri
tri - vie
ion s gre
wes s FRENCH f mar - spa/sc
ven - tyr
Fall moves:
tri - ser
vie s TURKISH a ser - bud
tyr - tri
f ion - aeg
f gre s f ion - aeg
wes s FRENCH f spa/sc - mao
My most pressing concern this season was the elimination of Austria. How
that was achieved was secondary to all other things. I started the year
assuming I would gain only one, that being Vienna. But, as the spring moves
indicate, Austria was more upset with Turkey for not helping him last fall
and allowed me to move to Vienna without support. Well, maybe I'll get two
centers this year after all. Then, the judge goes flaky. I resign myself
to one build this year as negotiations continue at a snail's pace. I'm
content with holding Vienna, supporting Turkey to Budapest, while Russia
regains Sevastopol.
Well, a funny thing happened on the way to the Forum.
I steadfastly refuse to enter orders when the judge is down simply because I
may not have time to read the confirmation email and I don't want to make a
typo. So, when Friday morning rolls around, I'm the only one without
orders. To boot, Doug is having difficulty with his email so a deadline
extension looks unlikely.
I give myself an hour or two to finish negotiations with Turkey and then
I'll issue orders. We agree on a plan that would give me Vie and Bud while
Turkey keeps Sev and tries a gambit for Mos. I would also attack France. I
felt this was a fair exchange and entered orders accordingly. Then, out of
the blue, a deadline extension comes down the pike. I quickly set wait so
that I can have a few extra hours to verify that indeed was the best plan
for Italy.
Next thing I know, England pops in with a suggestion for me to take Spain.
How Turkey got involved in this discussion I don't remember but Turkey was
not thrilled with the possibility of me gaining 3 centers while he had a
chance at not gaining any (turns out, he would have gained 1 and I think
been alright). Well, modify the plan. Turkey gets BUD and SEV while Italy
gets VIE and a shot at Spain. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately - only
time will tell), I agree to the new plan. After a thorough analysis later
in the day, I come to the conclusion that the new plan is not in the best
long term interest of Italian prosperity. It was with great trepidation and
heartache that I order the stab of Turkey. He still gets a build but I
believe I can capture Budapest from him with great chances at BUL/RUM in the
near future.
Plans for '05:
Capture Budapest and don't lose any position to Turkey hopefully finding an
Italian fleet in the Eastern Med by winter. Above all else, do not upset
France or Germany or Russia. [Note to self: that means I can't stab anybody
this season.] We need friends now to make sure my stab of Turkey does not
backfire.
Life is Beautiful,
Ken, aka Roberto
Message from France to Italy
Roberto:
After hearing from all the other players, I guess that I need to repeat
my thanks for your not taking Spain. Most people assumed that you were
going to do so. They suggest that it was discussed in great detail.
I admit that I was a bit worried about it, but chose to trust that you
would not. My basis for this trust was that I figure that you did not
want to hasten my fall, did not think you had the resources in place to
hold it, did not want a two-front war (Turkey and France), and worried
that if I was going down I would choose to punish the last person to
betray me.
Whether you never considered taking Spain or if you decided against it
at the last minute, I thank you again.
I hope that you do not mind that I will be a bit conservative in the
next season, while I fondly wave good bye to your fleet. I shall do
nothing threatening, but I will probably keep my defensive options
open. I still believe that it is in your best interest to not betray
me. But you can only receive so many messages before you get a little
paranoid. :-) I truly apologize for my caution.
I wish you luck in your conquest of Turkey.
--Prince Boar
Message from Russia to Italy
Roberto,
> What exactly did Mr. Wingo tell you?
That WMed - Spa was your idea.
> Should I have told you about the 'new plan'?
A word of warning from an ally would have been appreciated. At least
then
you could say, I told you so.
> If you've got some guts,
>
> gob-swe; lvn-stp; stp-fin in the spring followed by
> fin-stp; swe s stp-nor in the fall would be an interesting combination.
Yes, it is, if Fredd would commit to attacking England.
Nick.
Message from Italy to Russia
As you know, I do not like quoting press, however, here is the message in
question that started the talk of my moving to Spain. You can decide for
yourself whether or not it was my idea. I even include a bit that I wrote
in response to Ivy's query about whether or not I was even interested in
attacking France.
>
>
> Message from England to Italy in 'titleist':
>
>
> Roberto,
>
>>What moves would you like me to order this turn as a joint attack of
>>France? WMS s MAO-SPA will not succeed although it may prevent France
>>from reaching the MAO.
>
>
> I am resigned to losing MAO, but if France takes MAO from Spain, doesn't
> that open up Spain for you?
>
> Why not MAO->Spa(sc) & Ion->Tys?
>
> If France gets MAO then you get Spain. I would protect MAO as best as
> possible from NAO. Then he can't take MAO without using both Por &
> Bre. That definately opens up Spa for you. Once France loses a unit, it
> is all downhill for him.
>
> Ivy
I'm not even sure why this bothers me but Ivy has passed on false
information about me all game. It's probably the main reason I failed to
actually help him against France. Deep down, I simply don't trust him.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to France
>
> After hearing from all the other players, I guess that I need to repeat
> my thanks for your not taking Spain. Most people assumed that you were
> going to do so. They suggest that it was discussed in great detail.
>
And when you say 'most' you mean England and Turkey. Those were the only
two I discussed Spain with. I suppose they may have mentioned it to Germany
however if Germany passed on that info it would be complete hearsay.
I only allowed the discussion to occur in order to gain valuable information
about the moves of England and Turkey. I was most interested in making sure
England didn't even have North Africa as a retreat option.
> I admit that I was a bit worried about it, but chose to trust that you
> would not. My basis for this trust was that I figure that you did not
> want to hasten my fall, did not think you had the resources in place to
> hold it, did not want a two-front war (Turkey and France), and worried
> that if I was going down I would choose to punish the last person to
> betray me.
Just one of those reasons would have been enough to prevent me from moving
to Spain let alone all four combined. Yes, all of those points were duly
considered and all carried equal weight.
> Whether you never considered taking Spain or if you decided against it
> at the last minute, I thank you again.
Taking Spain was never a serious consideration and at no time did I enter
orders to move to Spain.
> I hope that you do not mind that I will be a bit conservative in the
> next season, while I fondly wave good bye to your fleet. I shall do
> nothing threatening, but I will probably keep my defensive options
> open. I still believe that it is in your best interest to not betray
> me. But you can only receive so many messages before you get a little
> paranoid. :-) I truly apologize for my caution.
As you see fit. No apology necessary. Looking at the map, I don't really
see anyway you can logically breakthru the English armada this spring
anyway.
> I wish you luck in your conquest of Turkey.
Thank you and I wish you luck in whatever country you attempt to conquest
unless that country begins with the letter 'I' of course.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from Italy to all
And adjustments haven't processed because ......
Italy: BUILD Fleet Naples
Italy: BUILD Army Venice
Turkey: BUILD Fleet Smyrna
Centers
England: 5
France: 5
Germany: 6
Italy: 8
Russia: 3
Turkey: 7
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