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England: Builds 2 units
France: Builds 2 units
Germany: Removes 3 units
Russia: Builds 1 unit
Message from Russia to all
>Movement results for Fall of 1907. (titleist.029)
>
>England: 8 Supply centers, 6 Units: Builds 2 units.
>France: 9 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 2 units.
>Germany: 0 Supply centers, 3 Units: Removes 3 units.
>Italy: 8 Supply centers, 8 Units: Builds 0 units.
>Russia: 4 Supply centers, 3 Units: Builds 1 unit.
>Turkey: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.
Hmmm, lied to, and/or stabbed by three different Powers,
and I still gained a Center. Interesting...
Message from Turkey to England and France
Gentlemen,
Well, it seems part of my predictions have come true. The two of you seem to
have forged a healthy alliance, you're both prospering well from it, and
Germany was quickly destroyed. Congratulations to you both.
Unfortunately, my Italian nemesis remains strong. I do not know why he has
decided to suicide against me, though I have some guesses. However, none of
them help me on the board. Clearly, he is counting on an eventual falling-out
between you, and is hoping that England will attack France soon.
So, I thought I'd drop you a line to encourage you both to stay the course.
There are still many centers for you both to gain by continuing to sweep
eastward. Conflict between the two of you is just as counterproductive for
both of you as it has ever been, if not more so.
Anyway, congratulations again, and I hope you will continue on in alliance
until you jointly control the remainder of the board.
Regards,
Ali
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
It's the part of Diplomacy that I hate. What do you do when you are making
moves that will disappoint someone you respect? Maintain absolute silence
for a week? That doesn't work. What else is there? You have to say
things that aren't true.
I was determined to go for Sweden and Denmark this turn and hoped to have
your blessing. But ... .
It was partly to eliminate Germany, and, yes, partly to prepare for an
attack on you. That's been the French/English plan, and as long as France
cooperated, I saw no reason to deviate.
Did you say three persons lied? Who were the other two?
Ivy
Message from England to all
Fredd,
I enjoyed our partnership. Seriously.
And we still have eight units between us!
Take care.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
>It's the part of Diplomacy that I hate. What do you do when you are making
>moves that will disappoint someone you respect? You have to say
>things that aren't true.
Well, actually, you could have told me the truth.
It's not like I was in a position to stop you.
>It was partly to eliminate Germany, and, yes, partly to prepare for an
>attack on you. That's been the French/English plan, and as long as France
>cooperated, I saw no reason to deviate.
How about because there's no stalemate line between
France and England, and with Italy handing France
Centers there's no way you can match his growth, so
you'll end up losing to a French solo? Seems like
a hell of a reason to deviate to me.
>Did you say three persons lied? Who were the other two?
Actually, two people lied, and two people stabbed.
You did both, though, so in total, it was three.
Nick.
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
Looks like it was a good thing I moved to Mos. Otherwise Russia would build
and the situation would be very different.
My situation, unfortunately, is becoming more and more hopeless. I'll be able
to defend my home centers for this year at least, but I'm sure to lose either
Sev or Mos in the meanwhile. But, I will hold on as long as I can, and will
do what I can to assist you during that time.
I do hope you and France will continue as allies, at least for another year or
two. I realize France seems to have an easy time with Italy turning over his
centers the way he is. But long-term, it looks pretty certain that Italy will
succeed in his mission to wipe me off the map. Once that happens, he will
surely come back and try to reclaim his homeland. And at that point, you'll
be holding all the cards.
In any case, if you have any thoughts on what I should do with A Mos next
year, please let me know.
Ali
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
Smooth sailing.
I've had no time to think about builds (probably a fleet and an army) or
moves for next year. I'll get back to you ASAP. Unfortunately I'll be
taking work home with me this evening.
Ivy
Message from Master to all
Thank you for playing, Germany. The end came much more suddenly
than I expected! Please write up an EOG statement and "press to m"
(or broadcast, if you prefer). You can also write one at game's
end, but I'd prefer one now, if it's not too much trouble.
Doug
Message from Italy to England
This message probably won't come as a surprise to you, but I'll tell you
anyway so it's on the record.
I will continue my attack against Turkey and I will not move to stop France
from taking what I leave behind. If that means he reaches 18, so be it.
I'll be happy that the game is over.
Idalia
Message from England to Italy
>This message probably won't come as a surprise to you, but I'll tell you
>anyway so it's on the record.
>
>I will continue my attack against Turkey and I will not move to stop France
>from taking what I leave behind. If that means he reaches 18, so be it.
>I'll be happy that the game is over.
Thank you for the courtesy of notifying me. I do have one question.
What do you wish to do if you are dug in at Turkey's location and France
does not yet have 18? Will you defend? Would you be interested in
fighting your way back west with the understanding that I would be handing
you some of my centers so that we could work for the natural 17-17 line?
Ivy
Message from Italy to England
>
> What do you wish to do if you are dug in at Turkey's location
> and France does not yet have 18? Will you defend?
>
I'm not sure yet. You'll have to ask me again if the situation were to
arise. It could go either way.
If I were forced to answer today, I'd say I wouldn't defend.
Idalia
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>Well, actually, you could have told me the truth.
>It's not like I was in a position to stop you.
I thought about it, but I was not thrilled with the prospect of fighting a
Germany/Russia coalition. That could have been possible for all I know.
>How about because there's no stalemate line between
>France and England, and with Italy handing France
>Centers there's no way you can match his growth, so
>you'll end up losing to a French solo? Seems like
>a hell of a reason to deviate to me.
Yeah, I know. One of the things that I will discover when reading all the
mail (gulp!) after the game is over is whether or not you and France ever
intended to slice me up if the opportunity arose. I was never confident
that you would be in my camp if France and I went to war.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> >Well, actually, you could have told me the truth.
> >It's not like I was in a position to stop you.
>
>I was not thrilled with the prospect of fighting a
>Germany/Russia coalition. That could have been possible for all I know.
Given the difficulty you had coordinating with
Germany, and the history of his invasion of Warsaw
and St. Petersburg, I can't believe you could
seriously conceive of GR vs. E.
> >How about because there's no stalemate line between
> >France and England, and with Italy handing France
> >Centers there's no way you can match his growth, so
> >you'll end up losing to a French solo? Seems like
> >a hell of a reason to deviate to me.
>
>Yeah, I know. One of the things that I will discover when reading all the
>mail (gulp!) after the game is over is whether or not you and France ever
>intended to slice me up if the opportunity arose.
I've been at 3 Centers since 1902; my focus has been
on just surviving, and punishing those Powers whom
have done me harm. (Note that Austria and Germany,
the first two Powers to attack Russia, were the first
two Powers eliminated. Do you really want to be the
third? ;^) Before this Fall, I never considered
endgame possibilities.
>I was never confident that you would be in my camp if France and I went to
>war.
Well, I'd ask you to review my letter about you
stabbing me, and then attacking France. That's
STILL possible. Hell, I'd ally with anyone, at
this point. 8-)
Nick.
Message from France to England
Ivy:
Yes, I too am very busy. I have had classes and/or
experiments for 7 work days in a row. Tomorrow is the
last day. Then of course all the meetings that have been
put off will hit on Friday. :-) I too brought work home,
I have to edit a 20 some page report rough draft. So
this will be short.
I too want to build an army in a fleet. In case we do
not get to talk, let's follow the same reasoning that we
discussed last adjustment phase.
I must admit that I think that you are in much better
position than I am. I have a 8 unit Italy which if I try
to do something about would just turn into a large
Turkey. Meanwhile you have nothing but a disjointed 3
unit Russia that was just betrayed on his backside. You
may have to exercise the same restraint that you asked of
me and be sensitive to the fact that your forces are so
much closer to my homeland than mine are to yours.
How has Nick taken your moves?
--Prince Boar
Message from France to all
I suggest that EoG statements be held private to the
end, but certainly can be sent to the master anytime.
Germany can of course broadcast anything
he chooses. I personally would like to know how
me managed all those dates in hot tubs! :-)
Seems like a more useful skill than knowing
stalemate lines!
France
Message from Germany to all
Germany EOG.
One message to cover the whole game. Boy that's a tough one, this
game has already taken much more time than I thought it would. So I'll
keep it short, or at least try.
The most important move of the game. That's easy. England going into
the North Sea. It forced me to pull back my attack on England, and to
pull out of helping England attack France. Of course, it's my belief
that that's exactly what England wanted. I was going to become too
powerful if I gobbled up Russia. Plus I believe that England had decided
that he couldn't get through France so might as well switch directions.
Every move he made from that move on was a swing of his forces toward
me. I knew it was coming, and made many attempts to counter, all to no
avail.
The most important date. Sept 11. It was during this spell that my
fate was sealed. I was pretty sure of the EF juggernaut in the west.
Therefore I needed builds right then. I approached Turkey about
supporting me against Russia, but he did not respond from Sept 11 until
the next moves processed. Obviously he didn't want to go in that
direction, but what really chapped my hide was that he spent weeks as
the silent type then he sent a message within hours of the moves
processing. I wouldn't talk to him the rest of my existence.
Friends or people that I enjoyed playing with. Nobody.
Austria and I must have exchanged 3 messages the whole game. Almost all
of my press to him went unanswered.
Italy - Decent enough except for my final move when he was supposed to
support me into WAR. Chalk up one more stab for Robbie.
Turkey - see above. What's the point of this game if you don't talk.
Russia - What a pain in the butt. Never could he be convinced of
mutually beneficial moves. Always he would go back to moves that would
solely benefit himself. This is why we fought the whole game. His last
laugh is that I'm out before him. My laugh is that he'll be gone very
very soon. I fail to see the difference.
England - I can see why he did what he did. He's much better off this
way. It'll be interesting to see if its him or France who wins.
I believe that he missed one of the best stab opportunities a little
while ago when he didn't attack France. I would have taken it.
France - Probably going to win. Playing a great game. Stalemated
Englands attack and got him to turn toward me. (I wonder how much press
it took to get England to go into the North Sea) He's also got Italy to
totally turn over his entire homeland to him. I wonder if he won't be
able to talk England into accepting 2nd place?
Fredd
Chow
richolver@home.com has resigned richolver@home.com
as Germany in game 'titleist'.
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
I think I will be building two armies and try to convoy them via Nth and Nwg.
There is a neutral zone from east to west -- Picardy, Burgundy,
Switzerland, Tyrolia, Bohemia, Galicia, Ukraine -- that almost splits the
board. I count 14 centers above that line and 19 below. [Sevastopol seems
more above than below.] Anyway, it's clear that a 17-17 split between us
will be very, very difficult. I would need to have a portion of Austria
apparently.
Let me know if you get any bright ideas.
Ivy
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
>I too want to build an army in a fleet. In case we do
>not get to talk, let's follow the same reasoning that we
>discussed last adjustment phase.
I am tired and I don't remember this reasoning. My database of
correspondence is only on my work computer, so I can't check until
tomorrow.
About the same time that you wrote your note, I wrote a note to you saying
that I was now thinking of two armies. That note got queued and is just
now being sent because of some e-mail problems at my work site.
>I must admit that I think that you are in much better
>position than I am. I have a 8 unit Italy which if I try
>to do something about would just turn into a large
>Turkey.
The grass is always greener. Italy will not defend. You are taking
centers by walking into them and that will continue. It is as if there
were no armies whatsoever in front of you.
>You may have to exercise the same restraint that you asked of me
Yes, I vote for restraint too. How is this for restraint: suppose we try
to end the next year with the same number of centers? I think I can get
two centers from Russia, but if you are completely stymied, I would
restrict myself to one. [I can't decide if I should append a smiley.]
>and be sensitive to the fact that your forces are so
>much closer to my homeland than mine are to yours.
I agree with you on the homeland business. The other side of the coin ( I
slip into cliches when I am tired) is this: you are much closer to the
remaining centers than I am.
>How has Nick taken your moves?
Nick is a gentleman. I like him. He has fought valiently from a weak
position for the entire game. I hope that I can get involved in some
non-gunboat games with some of this gang so that we can get to know each
other a lot better. My last non-gunboat game was great fun. My arch enemy
and I had a wonderful correspondence about work, family (mine), girlfriend
(his), etc.
Nick is still trying to get me to stab you. He claims that you have a much
better position than I do. 8-)
Ivy
Message from Germany to all
> Broadcast message from France in 'titleist':
>
> I suggest that EoG statements be held private to the
> end, but certainly can be sent to the master anytime.
Ya gotta love it. The person who has sent out more press than anyone
whom I've ever played against, wants to be a censor.
What could any EOG message say that hasn't been said in private many
times?
I thought I'd do it now. I doubt if I'll care at the end. This game lost
it's importance for me about 6 weeks ago. Not that I think there should
be an asterick after the winners name. The winner (who ever it is) will
have certainly earned the title.
Stab you later
I'm looking at getting my own hot tub ;-)
Freddy
Message from France to England
Ivy:
The logic last year was that you did not want any of my
armies in the North and that you preferred a fleet in
Brest to an army in Paris. Hence my plan is a fleet in
Brest and an army in Marseilles. Let me know if you have
major problems with this.
I see your point about risk versus opportunity. Yes, I
am closer to the supply centers that are not owned by
either of us. The supply centers that you have best
access to happen to be mine :-) :-)
Let me count to 17: England (3), Lowlands (5),
Scandinavia (8) Russia (12) Germany (15). So you would
need part of Austria or Turkey. Rumania and Vienna seem
reasonable, but we can be flexible. If need be, you may
take Brest. Let's not hand that one over just yet,
however. :-) :-)
To accomplish your part you will need armies into Russia
and Germany. I of course prefer them to shuttle in
through Scandinavia and not the Lowlands.
--Prince Boar
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
> Hence my plan is a fleet in
>Brest and an army in Marseilles. Let me know if you have
>major problems with this.
That's fine.
>To accomplish your part you will need armies into Russia
>and Germany. I of course prefer them to shuttle in
>through Scandinavia and not the Lowlands.
I am thinking of convoying one army to Norway, but the other to
Holland. In order to guarantee Kiel this year, I think I need Hol->Ruhr
and Lon->Nth->Hol in the spring. I suppose I could settle for just Sweden,
but that would give me exactly one build. We would then be even. However,
don't you think we should both be more aggressive this year than 1 for me
and 0 for you?
Actually, I would be content with 2 new centers each for us this
year. Next year we might contemplate giving me Munich and that could be
the catch-up year. It's a little premature for that discussion though. At
the rate we are going, the 2002 tournament will start before we are
finished with 2000.
Ivy
England: BUILD Army Edinburgh
England: BUILD Army London
France: BUILD Fleet Brest
France: BUILD Army Marseilles
Germany: REMOVE Army Silesia
Germany: REMOVE Fleet Skagerrak
Germany: REMOVE Army Tyrolia
Russia: WAIVE
Centers
England: 8
France: 9
Italy: 8
Russia: 4
Turkey: 5
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