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Message from France to England
Ivy:
Boy, I did not make my decision until 15 minutes before
the deadline. It looks like you were planning yours for
a while. I just could not shake the feeling that I was
being set up again. I figured it was coming next year
and not this one. I sure am glad that the Dauphin did
something to protect ourselves. :-)
--Prince Boar
Message from France to all
Just to let everyone know that I will be very busy today
at work and may not get to write messages. Tonight I
have a date with some little monsters. Hopefully they
will be less viscious than the lot of you ;-)
Happy Halloween
the Princes Boar
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
>Boy, I did not make my decision until 15 minutes before
>the deadline. It looks like you were planning yours for
>a while.
No, not for a while at all, for I have been too busy. I too struggled with
my decision until the last minute, spending over an hour staring at the
board last night. I didn't like either of my options. One choice (head
east) would have left me in no-man's land -- too far from France, but not
close enough to Austria/Balkans. The other choice (attack France and
abandon growth) is a deliberate choice to become a second rate, defensive
power.
I accidentally left my work computer on. When it checks the mail it
removes the mail from the server. So my home computer did not get the
results last night, and I had to wait until I got to work this morning.
My "posturing," by the way, was utterly authentic. I was expressing my
actual belief, namely that I had an inferior position. Even if you had not
made the decision that you did, I still would not have been able to do much
against you.
Ivy
Message from Master to all
Thanks to everyone for submitting moves on time!
Note that there are no retreats, so the fall moves are Thursday night
(coinciding with the final out of the Diamondbacks 4-1 World Series
victory). Everyone has two full days to talk and I'd really like to
see moves process on time, then retreats and adjustments on Friday.
Thanks,
Doug
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
As I indicated yesterday, I chose not to head east. My choice -- attack
France and abandon growth -- is a deliberate decision to become a second
rate, defensive power. I would rather be a victim of a French victory than
an accomplice of it. At least that preserves some honor. Even if France
had not chosen the same moment to attack me, my moves would have gotten me
no growth.
I can only hope that the rest of us can manage some sort of defense. By
the rest of us, I guess that's you and me. Italy will never help unless
and until he eliminates Turkey.
I know you have been struggling to survive, in fact your efforts in this
"showcase" game will probably be noticed by many. Please don't let
survival be you only goal. If you and I and eventually Italy (I do think
Turkey is out) can play intelligently, we may still be able to prevent a
French win.
France will remain very friendly to you. Of course he will, that's the way
to play and he is super good. But his threat is greater than ever.
So, O wonderful tactician, any suggestions?
Ivy
p.s. I did not stab you. Although I made moves that you expressly
disapproved of, that does not constitute a stab. "You did stab." Did
not. "Did too." Did not. ...
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
>I chose not to head east. My choice -- attack
>France and abandon growth -- is a deliberate decision to become a second
>rate, defensive power.
I apreciate the fact that you did not move
east, although your moves still leave you positioned
to take Den and possibly Kiel this Fall. That would,
of course, be a foolish thing to do, since France
would build three in response, and next year he'd
build two or three more, while you built at most one.
>I know you have been struggling to survive, in fact your efforts in this
>"showcase" game will probably be noticed by many. Please don't let
>survival be you only goal.
I think, realistically, my chances to solo evaporated
when Turkey moved to Moscow. (Not that I had much
of a chance, even then, but a build last year would
have led to a build or two this year, and the
potential to gain a couple of Centers a year for
several years in a row while you and France struggled
in the West.) Nonetheless, my goals, in order, remain:
1) a share of the draw,
2) survival
3) throwing the game to the victor of my choice before
being eliminated.
>If you and I and eventually Italy can play intelligently, we may still be
>able to prevent a French win.
I would say that you and I need to take three French
Centers, (Mun, Bre and Par or Por or Spa) plus Sev,
before France eliminates Italy and Turkey. Counting
on Italy is a recipe for defeat, I fear.
>France will remain very friendly to you. But his threat is greater than
>ever.
Yes, I saw the French Solo coming after last year's
builds, and that prospect hasn't receeded at all.
>So, O wonderful tactician, any suggestions?
Are you mocking me??? I offered my suggestions for
this Spring, and you chose to ignore them. As a
result you did not take ECh, and will not be able
to take MAO this Fall, and you are going to have
to get lucky to take it at all.
Nick.
Message [from Russia] to all
An open question for those still watching:
I received this message recently in a game
I am playing, and was somewhat puzzled by
it.
>I did not stab you. Although I made moves that you expressly disapproved
>of, that does not constitute a stab.
The moves were, by the way into centers
that I controlled on a fall turn. So, my
question is, what does constitute a stab?
Message from Italy to Master, England, France, and Russia
I am out of email contact on Thursday (business trip). If you need to
negotiate with Italian management, it will have to be today (unless Doug
enters a deadline extension).
Idalia
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
> I apreciate the fact that you did not move
>east, although your moves still leave you positioned
>to take Den and possibly Kiel this Fall.
Swe, not Den, of course. I won't be attacking Sweden. One reason I left
the fleet in Norway was that I thought I might have to bounce Turkey in StP
in the fall. Turkey was a big loser in the spring move. Now he might
figure he has nothing to lose by wild moves.
If I wanted an eastern policy, Kiel in particular, I would have tried to
convoy to Holland, not Belgium.
> That would,
>of course, be a foolish thing to do, since France
>would build three in response, and next year he'd
>build two or three more, while you built at most one.
Hey, it's foolish, but not for that reason. My building days are over,
period. It's foolish, because it throws you into mode 3:
>1) a share of the draw,
>2) survival
>3) throwing the game to the victor of my choice before
> being eliminated.
>I would say that you and I need to take three French
>Centers, (Mun, Bre and Par or Por or Spa) plus Sev,
>before France eliminates Italy and Turkey. Counting
>on Italy is a recipe for defeat, I fear.
I think that Italy may defend himself if and when he gets into the
corner. Turkey can't defend the corner from France, because fleets are
needed to do it.
> >So, O wonderful tactician, any suggestions?
>Are you mocking me???
Most definitely not. It was meant as a bit of a tribute. I can't afford
to mock you.
> I offered my suggestions for
>this Spring, and you chose to ignore them.
Well, I do have a mind of my own.
Speaking of which, I think you have to gamble on vacating Warsaw, so you
can build. If you can't build, the game is probably over. Turkey will not
move to Warsaw. Italy, ... ugh, who knows?
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>The moves were, by the way into centers
>that I controlled on a fall turn. So, my
>question is, what does constitute a stab?
Unfair, because this is out of context. The context is that either Germany
get's one of your centers or I get one of your centers. The fact that
there was a 1% chance that Germany would do something like "hold."
I promise that you can now have the last word, if you wish. 8-)
Ivy
Message from Master to all
Extension at player request.
Doug
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> > I appreciate the fact that you did not move
> >east, although your moves still leave you positioned
> >to take Den and possibly Kiel this Fall.
>
>Swe, not Den, of course. I won't be attacking Sweden.
Yes, that's what I get for responding without looking
at the map.
>I left the fleet in Norway was that I thought I might have to bounce Turkey
>in StP in the fall.
I'd prefer that you don't. While Mos-StP seems less
likely now, if he chooses to do it while I order
War-Mos, I'd rather he didn't bounce. 8-) I'm still
not certain what I'll do with A War, though.
>Turkey was a big loser in the spring move. Now he might
figure he has nothing to lose by wild moves.
I'm not so sure. Smy S FF Ion-Aeg was interesting.
We could see FT cooperation against Italy.
> >That would be a foolish thing to do, since France
> >would build three in response, and next year he'd
> >build two or three more, while you built at most one.
>
>Hey, it's foolish, but not for that reason. It's foolish, because it
>throws you into mode 3:
Well, I'd say it's foolish for both reasons, but my
point was that attacking me is too slow to be a
winning, or even drawing, move for you, at this point.
> >I would say that you and I need to take three French
> >Centers, (Mun, Bre and Par or Por or Spa) plus Sev,
> >before France eliminates Italy and Turkey. Counting
> >on Italy is a recipe for defeat, I fear.
>
>I think that Italy may defend himself if and when he gets into the corner.
>Turkey can't defend the corner from France,
I agree that he might, but I think we should assume
that France will use Turkish support to eliminate
Italy before Italy eliminates Turkey, and then Turkey
will be unable to stop France. I assume Turkey is
playing for survival in a French Solo at this point,
and France has no reason to reject his support.
> > I offered my suggestions for
> >this Spring, and you chose to ignore them.
>
>Well, I do have a mind of my own.
Of course you do, and my suggestions were only
suggestions, but if you have other ideas, I think
we'd be better off discussing both sets of plans,
and seeing where the strengths and weaknesses lie.
I'll look at the possibilities when I get the chance.
>you have to gamble on vacating Warsaw, so you
>can build.
Yeah, that's a possibility I'm toying with.
>Turkey will not move to Warsaw.
There was no reason for him to move to Moscow beyond
wanting to avoid the disband. What makes you think
he won't move to War when Ank-Arm, Mos-War gets
him a build if I move War-Sil?
>Italy, ... ugh, who knows?
He's at least writing, and seems focused on
eliminating Turkey.
Nick.
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> >The moves were, by the way into centers
> >that I controlled on a fall turn. So, my
> >question is, what does constitute a stab?
>Unfair, because this is out of context.
Since when do you have to play fair in Dip? ;^}
>I promise that you can now have the last word, if you wish. 8-)
The "event" is in the past, and no longer matters,
except to the extent that it decreases my trust
that you will do as you promise to do.
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>I'd prefer that you don't [move Nor->StP]. While Mos-StP seems less
>likely now, if he chooses to do it while I order
>War-Mos, I'd rather he didn't bounce.
Agreed. If you choose War->Mos, then Nor->StP is bad.
> I'm still not certain what I'll do with A War, though.
My instinct is still the same. If you can't build, the game is over. I
think you have to take your best shot at vacating Warsaw. War->Mos is one
way to try, but perhaps not the best.
> >Turkey was a big loser in the spring move. Now he might
> >figure he has nothing to lose by wild moves.
>
>I'm not so sure. Smy S FF Ion-Aeg was interesting.
>We could see FT cooperation against Italy.
You're right. I hadn't analyzed the Italy/Turkey situation when I wrote
you. It takes fleets to anchor Anatolia, and by helping Turkey, France is
aiming to rid the area of Italian fleets. Yuk.
> I assume Turkey is
>playing for survival in a French Solo at this point,
>and France has no reason to reject his support.
I hope not. I can imagine playing for a 7-way draw (out of incredible
desperation), but mere survival means nothing to me.
>He's at least writing, and seems focused on
>eliminating Turkey.
Galicia supp War->Ukr? Quid pro quo? You build this year and share
attacks on Moscow and Sevastopol with Italy next year?
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>The "event" is in the past, and no longer matters,
>except to the extent that it decreases my trust
>that you will do as you promise to do.
I promise to lie to you, if I think it will significantly increase
my winning chances. That's what I thought I was doing on the move in
question. Since then I have admitted to myself that I have no future as a
superpower.
Minor powers rarely have anything to gain by lying to other minor
powers. Most victories occur when someone walks away with the win while
little people engage in grudge wars.
Ivy
Message from England to Italy
>Message from Italy to France, England, Russia and Master in 'titleist':
Not on speaking terms with Turkey, eh?
------
As you see, I abandoned my dream of becoming a superpower, precisely at the
same moment that France decided to strike at me. I will no longer grow,
while France will continue to do so. I am content to defend and can only
hope that something works out.
France surely wants Turkey to survive in order to pick on him
later. Turkey cannot defend the corner against France, because he only has
one fleet there. You may be able to get help from Warsaw, and I have made
that suggestion to Russia. For example, Galicia supp War->Ukr permits
Russia to build in Warsaw and pressures both Moscow and Sevastopol in the
spring.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
>Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
>I promise to lie to you, if I think it will significantly increase
>my winning chances. That's what I thought I was doing on the move in
>question. Since then I have admitted to myself that I have no future >as a
>superpower.
I see you also lied about letting me have the last word. ;^}
Now, let's focus on stopping France.
Nicky.
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
Ukraine worked! France in the Aegean is more bad news for Italy.
However the big picture is becoming fairly gloomy.
I concluded that my days as a superpower were over. In spite of your
advice to travel eastward step-by-step with France -- which had indeed been
my strategy -- I reluctantly realized that it was a losing proposition. I
was meeting resistance, and France was walking in
unrestricted. Furthermore, I was much too distant from all those juicy
Austrian/Balkan centers.
So I decided to become just another person trying to stop France from
winning. And by happenstance, at the same time, France decided to attack
me also. He had no interest in my being his equal.
You have a tricky situation. France will help you against Italy, because
you don't have fleets. Without fleets you cannot defend Anatolia when
France strikes you. France knows that if Italy gains Anatolia, he will be
able then to fend off France. You have to weigh your self-interest against
doing what is necessary to keep France from winning. That's tough, but
your self-interest vanishes if someone solos. I, at least, hold out hope
for some sort of multi-player draw.
Please build a fleet if you ever have a chance. Also, please consider
cooperation with Russia (or at least neutrality) even though you are
sitting in Moscow. Further erosion of Russia's strength at this point
dooms us all.
Cordially,
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy, My Friend,
> >I'm not so sure. Smy S FF Ion-Aeg was interesting.
> >We could see FT cooperation against Italy.
>
> You're right. I hadn't analyzed the Italy/Turkey situation when I wrote
> you. It takes fleets to anchor Anatolia, and by helping Turkey, France
> is aiming to rid the area of Italian fleets. Yuk.
I'm going to have to ask Prince Boar about that support. I've written
to the Turk several times since he moved to Mos, but have never gotten
a reply. It may be that France asked for support, and the Turk figured,
"Why not?", but if they're exchanging letters, we could have a real
problem on our hands.
> > I assume Turkey is playing for survival in a French Solo
> >at this point, and France has no reason to reject his support.
>
> I hope not. I can imagine playing for a 7-way draw (out of incredible
> desperation), but mere survival means nothing to me.
I consider it better than being eliminated, though not by much, and
since Turkey doesn't seem to be writing to anyone, I can't see how
he hopes to draw, so not being eliminated seems like his most likely
motive to me.
> >He's at least writing, and seems focused on
> >eliminating Turkey.
>
> Galicia supp War->Ukr? Quid pro quo? You build this year and share
> attacks on Moscow and Sevastopol with Italy next year?
Hmmm, Italy CAN'T build, so he has little motive to take Centers for
Centers sake, so that might work. Thanks.
Nick.
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
I think Prince Boar has to order Bre-MAO, and probably TyS-WMed,
this Fall. If he lets you move NAO to MAO, he'll lose at least Por, and
perhaps more. This means you'll be able to move into the Channel,
which is certainly good news. I wonder what would happen if you
moved NAO-Iri, Nwy-Nwg, and let Bre-MAO work? What do
you think?
Nick.
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
Those days when we hoped that we could meet in Munich and shake hands seem
so long ago. Still, I am determined to fight the good fight.
You may be able to help me with one piece of information unless you think
it is not in your best interests to do so. Is France in the Aegean in
order to help you? Has he promised to do so? I notice that Italy is in no
position to take a center from you this year and it looks like he will have
to destroy two of his units.
Consequently, you may have indeed survived and will be an important player
in the finish. Of, course the overriding danger is still the French solo.
Most cordially,
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>I'm going to have to ask Prince Boar about that support. I've written
>to the Turk several times since he moved to Mos, but have never gotten
>a reply. It may be that France asked for support, and the Turk figured,
>"Why not?", but if they're exchanging letters, we could have a real
>problem on our hands.
Ali and I have always been friendly, but his correspondence has all but
disappeared. I've just sent him two letters, and I am hoping that he will
respond.
Only last night did I take a good, hard look at the Italy/Turkey
situation. I am very worried that we may back the wrong horse. Italy
cannot take a center from Turkey this year, and he should lose two units to
France. What will he destroy? -- possibly Serbia and Budapest. How many
Turkish centers can Italy get next year? Sevastopol with your help?
Doubtful. It can be protected from the Black Sea. Conclusion: Italy can't
do a thing *provided* the French fleet in the Aegean is there to aid Turkey.
At best, I conclude that my two letters to Turkey can't do any harm.
> > Galicia supp War->Ukr? Quid pro quo? You build this year and share
> > attacks on Moscow and Sevastopol with Italy next year?
>
> Hmmm, Italy CAN'T build, so he has little motive to take Centers for
>Centers sake, so that might work. Thanks.
It still can't hurt for you to be in Ukraine, even if Italy dies and Turkey
turns friendly.
>I think Prince Boar has to order Bre-MAO, and probably TyS-WMed,
>this Fall. If he lets you move NAO to MAO, he'll lose at least Por, and
>perhaps more. This means you'll be able to move into the Channel,
>which is certainly good news. I wonder what would happen if you
>moved NAO-Iri, Nwy-Nwg, and let Bre-MAO work? What do
>you think?
Nth->Channel will definitely work. France will either order Bre to MAO or
to Picardy. It's a tough choice for him. A move to MAO saves Portugal. A
move to Picardy (with support) permits him to build a second Atlantic fleet
in Brest. The problem I see with NAO->Iri is that France gets to have his
cake and eat it. That is, he gets the MAO; he saves Portugal; AND he
builds another fleet in Brest.
Anyway, Nth->Eng is clear. What do you think about NAO->MAO; Nwy->Nwg;
Hel-Nth? This makes your fleet a little more useful. [If I can own StP at
least you can sit in Nth! That would make for an entertaining mess in the
future -- if we have a future.] Then next turn I might try NAO-Iri & Nwg->NAO.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
>I [took] a good, hard look at the Italy/Turkey
>situation. I am very worried Conclusion: Italy can't do a thing *provided*
>the French fleet in the Aegean is there to aid Turkey.
Yes, this is why I say we have to take Mun,
Bre, and at least one more French Center, ourselves.
I don't see that we can afford to rely on Italy or
Turkey.
>It still can't hurt for you to be in Ukraine, even if Italy dies and Turkey
>turns friendly.
Yes, but I remain concerned that Turkey will conclude
that I'll move out of War to be able to build, and he
will order Mos-War, hoping to eliminate me before he
falls to France.
>The problem I see with NAO->Iri is that France gets to
>save Portugal; AND build another fleet in Brest.
Doh! You're right, of course. NAO-MAO makes much
more sense.
>What do you think about NAO->MAO; Nwy->Nwg; Hel-Nth? This makes your
>fleet a little more useful.
I was thinking about Hel-Nth, but didn't want to
propose it to you. The fifth Fleet might come in handy.
Nick.
Message from France to England
Ivy:
The Dauphin disagrees with you in that he feels that if
he had not ordered as he did in the spring, we would have
been in deep trouble right now. France itself and Iberia
would have been hard to defend. It does no good to take
centers if you have no where to build them. Something
that Russia can relate to.
You already betrayed me once. This second time was
inexcusable. It was my turn. You could have been a
gentleman and let me have it :-)
--Prince Boar
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
>You already betrayed me once. This second time was
>inexcusable.
I couldn't agree more. I have played several games without a single lie or
betrayal. I don't do it often enough to get used to it.
Strangely, though, in this game both Germany and I and now you and I have
struck at each other simultaneously. That's never happened to me before
with an ally. It takes all the guilt away.
Ivy
Message from France to England
Ivy
>It takes all the guilt away.
I would not say this is true for me. I still felt
guilty. I was just relieved that I made the choice,
despite the guilt. But the guilty feeling does not
linger as long as the necessities of a nasty battle
begins to take over.
I think that we shall basically stalemate ourselves and
others will be the true victors of our war. But there
really is nothing we can do now, until the landscape
around us changes.
So what are your plans and goals?
--Prince Boar
Message from France to England
Ivy:
Still very busy? Or because we are at war we now have to
stop writing. Do I need to turn things over to the
Dauphin again? He is much more boring than I. Just do
not tell him that I said so.
I figure that it is hopeless, but there is sitll the
chance to go back to our two-way arrangement. I had
agreed to build only one unit. This of course is not
possible if you are attacking me. I must build two. Are
you going to build? It depends on what you do to (or not
do to) Russia. And vice versa of course.
In the end we may have to just bang our heads against
each other and wait for a third power to emerge for the
EFx draw. Same place as we were maybe heading, but less
risky. A whole lot less fun, but less risky.
So when are you going to let your sister come visit
again? :-)
--Prince Boar
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
>Still very busy?
Oh yes.
> Or because we are at war we now have to
>stop writing.
No, of course not, but it does seem less essential.
>I think that we shall basically stalemate ourselves and
>others will be the true victors of our war.
Why, anyone with the intelligence of a pine stump can evaluation this
situation. The only question is whether or not others will have the energy
or will to do anything about it. You would think that in a game of this
supposed level that everyone could be counted on to do the sort of thing
that you and I did when Italy was on the verge of unstoppable
domination. However, human nature being what it is, I fear that this may
not be so.
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
> >It still can't hurt for you to be in Ukraine, even if Italy dies and Turkey
> >turns friendly.
>
>Yes, but I remain concerned that Turkey will conclude
>that I'll move out of War to be able to build, and he
>will order Mos-War, hoping to eliminate me before he
>falls to France.
I'm starting to sour on the move to Ukraine as well, but don't rule out
Warsaw->Silesia. That would enable us to crush Ruhr next spring and take
Munich in the fall.
Here's another thought if you decide to go along with Warsaw->Moscow. If
that move succeeds you will have 5 centers but only be able to build one
more unit. If that move fails you will not be able to build at all
again. Either way there is a wasted unit. What about Norway->Sweden IF
you move Warsaw->Moscow. That would permit me to build a fleet in
Liverpool that could be used with great effect.
It's your call.
Ivy
Message from France to England
Ivy:
>Why, anyone with the intelligence of a pine stump
I have known some pretty bright pine stumps! :-)
In fact, my maternal Grandfather was one. :-)
You told me about have wonderful conversations with an
enemy in one of your games. Since you tell me that it
seems less necessary to write me, now that we are
enemies, I know where I rate :-) :-)
Good luck with whatever you are busy with. Someday I may
even know what it is. You have alluded, but I felt it
best not to probe.
Two months to finish. If we could get a year in every
two weeks, that would be 4 game years. Seems unlikely.
If we could get a game year in every week and a half,
that may get us 6 game years. Closer.
--Prince Boar
Message from England to France
>You told me about have wonderful conversations with an
>enemy in one of your games.
Yes, but we knew who we were and could talk about personal matters.
>Good luck with whatever you are busy with. Someday I may
>even know what it is. You have alluded, but I felt it
>best not to probe.
Perhaps, in addition to EOGs, Doug should encourage us to share information
about ourselves when this is over. Nothing elaborate, about five sentences
on jobs, families, hobbies, etc. At least you should do this; you are
going to be famous!
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
Gee, I'm starting to think War->Mos, Nor->Swe has great merit for the
reasons given in my last letter, plus it even provides insurance against
Mos->StP. In that case you still build, but I don't have to
destroy. Furthermore, if I ever do anything out of line, you can ruin me
with your fleet in the North Sea and/or throw the game to France.
What'dya think?
Ivy
Message from France to England
Ivy:
>Yes, but we knew who we were and could talk
>about personal matters.
I know, I know. I was just teasing.
I think that your idea about sharing some person info is
great! You should suggest it when the game ends.
>At least you should do this; you are
>going to be famous!
Hardly. It is not like the winner of our game (whomever
that will be) won "Survivor" or something :-)
I think it would be fun to all get together live and
replay the game in one evening face-to-face. But given
the geometry, that would be hard. 5 of us are east coast
I think. But one might be west coast. I can't recall.
I look forward to seeing what you do to the Dauphin's
forces tonight.
--Prince Boar
Message from Russia to England
>Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
>
>I'm starting to think War->Mos, Nor->Swe has great merit What'dya think?
My gut says we need to get our Fleets to Pic, ECh, Iri,
NAO, and MAO as soon as possible, and Nwy-Swe is headed
in the wrong direction.
Any word from Ali or Italy?
In Haste,
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>My gut says we need to get our Fleets to Pic, ECh, Iri,
>NAO, and MAO as soon as possible, and Nwy-Swe is headed
>in the wrong direction.
Nor->Swe makes a fleet pop up instantly in *Liverpool* -- that's not only
as soon as possible, it's sooner. Once you begin building, we can make
amends instantly. You can have Norway, StP, London -- anything for the team.
So, any second thoughts?
>Any word from Ali or Italy?
Nothing. I am very disappointed in Ali. He may write infrequently, but
usually I can count on him for a polite note.
Will you be available this evening at all? I should be.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
>Nor->Swe makes a fleet pop up instantly in *Liverpool*
Yes, IF Turkey doesn't order Mos-StP, but since I
suggested it to him this Spring, and France claims
he's doing so now, it is a move we have to consider
as a possibility. If we move Nth-ECh, Hel-Nth,
Nwy-Nwg, Nwg can move to NAO next Spring, (as fast
as B F Lvp, Lvp-NAO) but if you order Nwy-Swe, and
Turkey orders Mos-StP, you don't build, and your
Fleet is out of position.
> >Any word from Ali or Italy?
>
>Nothing. I am very disappointed in Ali.
Nothing here, either.
>Will you be available this evening at all? I should be.
I should be available, as well.
Nick.
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> >Yes, IF Turkey doesn't order Mos-StP, but since I
> >suggested it to him this Spring, and France claims
> >he's doing so now, it is a move we have to consider
> >as a possibility.
>
>Thanks for the heads up. There's a lot of content in that message.
For what it's worth, I suggested the move to Turkey
right after builds when it looked as though you were
coming after me full-bore. I've written him a couple
of, "Can we talk about working together to avoid/delay
elimination?" letters, but I've gotten no responses
from him since before he moved to Mos. France says
he proposed the Smy S Ion-Aeg to Ali, before last turn,
but he hasn't heard from him since moves came through.
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
Didn't know if I should send this or not.
There are a lot of clues and cues that suggest disaster is heading my way,
but raw logic is saying something else. Still ...
So please forgive me for stating the obvious. France almost certainly had
a solo in the semifinals, and he intends nothing less than that here. He
is good and deadly. It will take intense cooperation and alertness to stop
him. Even then we need some help from the southeast. There are observers
watching and wondering if we are up to the task.
France has undisputed access to Austria and the Balkans with the possible
exception of Bulgaria and Rumania. Although I really doubt that Rumania
and Bulgaria can be held against France unless you have a unit or two to
help down there when the time comes. If you add to those provinces
Belgium, London, Liverpool, the game is over. I'm suggesting that those
places will quickly fall into French hands if you and Ali listen to the
French siren song.
After a lot of thought I'm sticking with the anti-French moves, rather than
the moves that would defend against a stab from friends. Stopping a French
win is what high quality play demands in this situation.
Moscow->StP->Norway->Sweden. Could Turkey really contemplate this? I just
have to proceed on faith that a good player would see the consequences and
remain disciplined.
My sincerest apologies if this was entirely unnecessary.
Ivy
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
Didn't know if I should send this or not.
There are a lot of clues and cues that suggest disaster is heading my way,
but raw logic is saying something else. Still ...
So please forgive me for stating the obvious. France almost certainly had
a solo in the semifinals, and he intends nothing less than that here. He
is good and deadly. It will take intense cooperation and alertness to stop
him. I doubt Italy is in any position to help, but you, I and Russia are
still in a position to stop the solo. There are observers watching and
wondering if we are up to the task.
France has undisputed access to Austria and the Balkans with the possible
exception of Bulgaria and Rumania. Although I really doubt that Rumania
and Bulgaria can be held against France unless Russia builds a unit or two
to help down there when the time comes. If you add to those provinces
Belgium, London, Liverpool, the game is over. I'm suggesting that those
English places will quickly fall into French hands if either you or Russia
listen to the French siren song.
Could you really contemplate Moscow->StP? I know that France appears to
have helped you with his fleet move into the Aegean, but it is France that
he really intends to help. You are not bound to follow French suggestions
concerning StP. Your position is much better now. You have solid chances
if France is stopped and the situation stabilizes. That can only happen if
I am on board.
So, after a lot of thought I'm sticking with anti-French moves, rather than
the moves that would defend against a stab from friends. Stopping a French
win is what high quality play demands in this situation.
I am proceeding on faith.
My very sincere apologies if this was entirely unnecessary.
Ivy
Message [from Russia] to all
Sorry, orders in with this note.
England: Fleet Belgium SUPPORT Army Holland (*cut*)
England: Army Denmark HOLD
England: Army Edinburgh HOLD
England: Army Holland SUPPORT Fleet Belgium (*cut, destroyed*)
England: Army London HOLD
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean → Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet Norway → Norwegian Sea
France: Fleet Adriatic Sea → Venice
France: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Italian Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Smyrna
France: Fleet Brest → Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy → Belgium (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Ionian Sea SUPPORT Fleet Aegean Sea
France: Army Munich SUPPORT Russian Army Kiel
France: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Russian Fleet Helgoland Bight → Holland
France: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea → Western Mediterranean
France: Army Venice → Trieste
Italy: Army Budapest → Rumania
Italy: Army Bulgaria → Constantinople (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Smyrna
Italy: Army Galicia SUPPORT Army Rumania → Ukraine
Italy: Fleet Greece → Bulgaria (south coast) (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Rumania → Ukraine
Italy: Army Serbia SUPPORT Fleet Greece → Bulgaria (south coast)
Italy: Fleet Syria SUPPORT Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Smyrna
Russia: Fleet Helgoland Bight → Holland
Russia: Army Kiel SUPPORT Fleet Helgoland Bight → Holland
Russia: Army Warsaw → Moscow
Turkey: Army Ankara SUPPORT Fleet Smyrna
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Moscow → Sevastopol
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna HOLD (*destroyed*)
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