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Message from England to Italy and Russia
Nick, Italy,
OK, here goes a first round of suggestions. The strategy behind these
moves is to get great pressure on Austria/Balkans in the fall. I also must
get that fleet back in the Channel before France destroys it.
England:
North Atlantic->Mid-Atlantic
Irish & North Sea supp Picardy->Channel
Den->Kiel->Berlin
Russia:
Moscow->StP
Holland supp Denmark->Kiel
Warsaw->Galicia
Munich->Tyrolia
Vienna->Trieste
Italy:
Silesia->Bohemia
Serbia->Trieste
Rumania->Budapest
Constantinople ?
Ankara ?
Smyrna ?
[the attacks on Tyrolia, Budapest, and Trieste(from Serbia) save Vienna]
[the attacks on Budapest and Trieste(from Vienna) save Serbia]
In the fall, with armies in Galicia and Bohemia, we can really go to work!
These moves also incorporate the Kiel for Stp trade that puts an extra army
immediately on the front.
What damage could France do to us while this is going on? If he double
attacks Holland, then in the fall we have North Sea, Helgoland(from
Holland), Kiel to take it back. Or, if he takes Munich, then in the fall
we have Kiel, Berlin, Bohemia, Silesia(from Munich) to take it back.
Actually, France has shown a reluctance to attack Russian forces. He is
more likely to put some energy into trying to destroy my fleet in Picardy.
Fire away.
Ivy
Message from France to Master, England, Italy, and Russia
Sorry for my silence yesterday. It was a trying day. I
am still employeed, thank you to everyone who expressed
concern. The Dauphin may fire me, but Company X did not.
:-)
It was also my wife's birthday yesterday. So I decided
that I best not hole up in my office for two hours
writing diplomacy messages :-)
--Prince Boar
PS: Oh, I forgot, did you want to just end this thing?
I will set draw for this phase. I realize that I
probably cannot win and a 4-way draw makes as much sense
as a 3-way draw.
If the game does not end this season, however; then my
goal will be to eliminate someone before considering
another draw. Please let me know your thoughts on the
draw. I am sure that we can discuss it rationally, given
the crowd of people in the game.
Message from England to France, Italy, and Russia
France wrote,
>Oh, I forgot, did you want to just end this thing?
>I will set draw for this phase.
Possibly a sincere offer. Possibly a standard ruse intended to incite
paranoia amongst the coalition.
I could consider a 4-way. While Doug might proclaim France the tournament
winner, most would agree that a 4-way is a 4-way.
I am also comfortable continuing.
However, I will not participate in any scheme to eliminate a player unless
and until we four are at roughly 9-9-8-8 in strength and have equal
chances. At that point all's fair, as they say. But until France is
reduced to harmless status, I'm sticking to the Russia/Italy/England
effort. Don't even ask me in private if I mean it.
Ivy
Message from Russia to Master, England, France, and Italy
>You will now accept a DIAS draw.
>Movement orders for Spring of 1911. (titleist.042)
>
>Russia: Army Warsaw, No Order Processed.
>Russia: Army Munich, No Order Processed.
>Russia: Fleet Holland, No Order Processed.
>Russia: Army Vienna, No Order Processed.
>Russia: Army Moscow, No Order Processed.
>Russia: DRAW YES
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
>I will not participate in any scheme to eliminate a player unless
>and until we four are at roughly 9-9-8-8 in strength and have equal
>chances. At that point all's fair, as they say. Don't even ask me in
>private if I mean it.
I won't ask if you mean it, but I feel compelled to
point out that FA Pie S Ven, FF Adr S Ion will keep
Italy from building until France drops below four
Centers, or we get a Unit to Mar/GoL, so 9-9-8-8 is
unlikely to happen.
Nick.
Message from Italy to England and Russia
>
> England:
> North Atlantic->Mid-Atlantic
> Irish & North Sea supp Picardy->Channel
> Den->Kiel->Berlin
>
> Russia:
> Moscow->StP
> Holland supp Denmark->Kiel
> Warsaw->Galicia
> Munich->Tyrolia
> Vienna->Trieste
>
> Italy:
> Silesia->Bohemia
> Serbia->Trieste
> Rumania->Budapest
> Constantinople ?
> Ankara ?
> Smyrna ?
>
Can I suggest the following change:
war-sil
sil-gal
If Munich is forced to retreat, it can retreat to Bohemia. I think this
better consolidates the Italian and Russian forces so communication and
coordination would be easier. From a purely tactical standpoint, this
change would also give a dislodged Munich a better chance of not being
eliminated.
I agree with the other moves.
I'll fill in the blanks.
Ank-Bla
Smy s Con to hold
Regarding the draw, I'm of the mind to think there is still play left in
this game and that France would be just as eager to set draw in a season or
two as he is now even without an elimination. I see Nick has expressed a
willingness to end the game though so if Ivy is of the same notion then I
will not prolong the game for no reason.
Roberto
Message from Russia to England and Italy
Roberto, and Ivy,
Welcome back, Roberto.
>Message from Italy to England and Russia in 'titleist':
> > Italy:
> > Silesia->Bohemia
>Can I suggest the following change:
>
>war-sil
>sil-gal
I thought the reason for keeping Sil rather than
Arm was that Sil was closer to Ven. Sil-Gal is
a move away from Ven, rather than toward it. If
you want to build, it seems that Sil-Boh makes
much more sense.
Nick.
Message from Russia to England and Italy
>Message from Italy to England and Russia in 'titleist':
>Regarding the draw, I think there is still play left in
>this game
There is certainly play left in the game, and I do
not object to continuing. My setting draw was more
of a political act, based on the assumption that
someone would veto it, rather than an expression of
a desire to end the game.
Nick.
Message from England to Italy and Russia
> >war-sil
> >sil-gal
>
>I thought the reason for keeping Sil rather than
>Arm was that Sil was closer to Ven. Sil-Gal is
>a move away from Ven, rather than toward it. If
>you want to build, it seems that Sil-Boh makes
>much more sense.
I prefer the original Silesia->Bohemia for a different reason. In the fall
we have an absolute lock on Budapest, using Galicia supp Rumania->Budapest,
Serbia->Trieste. Unfortunately, Vienna would be in jeopardy. Vienna would
be safe, though, if we had a Bohemia ready to cut Tryolia.
This doesn't mean we will necessarily make those moves, because something
juicier might arise. Nevertheless, it's a consideration.
*********************
I'm pondering the 4-way. Maybe these tactics will be moot.
Ivy
Message from France to England, Italy, and Russia
Ivy:
Thanks for responding.
> Possibly a sincere offer. Possibly a standard ruse
>intended to incite
>paranoia amongst the coalition.
I agree that this is a common ruse. In this case it is
ineffective because anyone who decides not to vote
draw would likely be doing so because they are willing to
risk my solo in order to try and gut me, rather than
eliminate a fellow EIR partner.
I will state in my private eoy message whether I voted
for it. I have voted for the draw, but I will not bother
repeating that fact. I do not care to get in a discussion
about whether I am lying or not. I do not need that in
my life right now :-)
>While Doug might proclaim France the tournament
>winner, most would agree that a 4-way is a 4-way.
Agreed! Woopee! I won a tournament on a tie-breaker. I
get my name listed on a web page somewhere ... Sobb...I
can't begin to tell you how much it means to me ... did
you catch the sarcasm? :-)
I have long considered myself a winner because I have
gotten so much enjoyment out of the games.
If the game continues, my motiviation will be to finish
it the way required by my annoying sense of how a
diplomacy game should end. I do not plan to move toward
a 8.5-8.5-8.5-8.5 draw.
>I am also comfortable continuing.
>I could consider a 4-way.
Then vote for it and see what happens. :-)
It sounds like you are still considering? Take you time
and make sure you are comfortable with your choice.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I was almost required to send a private note to say
something about this.
>...[concerning draw reduction]...Don't even ask me
>in private if I mean it.
Thank you for letting me know. If necessary, I can
therefore focus my efforts talking about you rather than
to you ;-) :-)
Regards,
Prince Boar
Message from Italy to England and Russia
I'm happy with Sil-Boh. Just exploring all options.
*Note* some of the suggested moves may bounce so our position may not be as
juicy as we hope in the fall
Roberto
Message from Italy to England
I should tell you that I once told Russia privately (many turns ago) I would
not set draw unless I had the most units on the board or the leader had a
viable stalemate line. Part of me still feels that way but the other part
of me would like to enjoy the holiday season without this game gnawing at my
gut.
Roberto
Message from England to France, Italy, and Russia
France wrote:
>Agreed! Woopee! I won a tournament on a tie-breaker. I
>get my name listed on a web page somewhere
And henceforth you get a giant target taped to your back every time you
play non-anonymous diplomacy -- which is much more fun than gunboat.
I've entered set draw.
Ivy
Message from Russia to all
"Moscow Izvestia"
"Growth, At Last!"
by: Alix Hesse-Darmstadt January 15, 1911
After ten years of talk of the European Economic Union being the
model for the 20th Century, Russia has finally seen true growth,
and Production Potential has reached record levels. The citizens
of Warsaw rejoiced as the 1st Guards Army liberated the city for
the third time in the ongoing war. The Austrian and German
governments and military have already fallen as a result of their
ill-considered military forays into the Motherland, and speculation
was rampant on the streets of Warsaw and Moscow that the
Italian military, already cut off from their home bases by the
marauding French, were soon to follow in those ill-fated
footsteps. Citizens rushed into the street in celebration; church
bells rang out deep into the night, and numerous fires were
reported as citizens stormed Italian holdings and took back
what was rightfully theirs. Russian troops, however, had the city
under control in a matter of hours.
Czar Nicholas and Tsarina Alexandria once again chaired a
Christmas meeting of the Council of Advisors, and the mood, while
much improved over what it was last year, was still more subdued
than that of the people. Union Steward V. I. Lenin noted that the
problems facing the workers are as dire as ever. Lenin described
the chronic unemployment of dock-workers and shipwrights caused
by the occupation of St. Petersburg and Sevastopol as a crisis that
must be dealt with if these families are to survive.
Finance Minister Sergei Witte, expressed concern over the
extreme oscillation of Production capacity, and Russia seeming
inability to actually produce at the rate she is capable of, and the
difficulties of maintaining control of production facilities that are
not online and being defended.
The "Mad Monk" Rasputin loudly proclaimed that he had a vision
of things to come, and demanded the Council's attention. He cited
his earlier predictions that Germany, Austria and Turkey would fall,
and then claimed that the Russian resurgence would continue as
the French were swept from the field like wheat before a thresher.
Even the Tsarina could not calm his ranting as he boasted of his
intuitive powers. Shortly after this somewhat drunken prediction,
he was escorted from the Hall by Okhrana agents.
Message from Italy to England
Well, supposedly if you can believe the broadcasts, if I set draw the game
should immediately end. Along with this note is a 'set no draw' order
cancelling my 'set draw' order. Yep, somebody isn't on the level or they
changed their order back to no draw. Looks like the game will continue.
In your talks with Russia, you should assure him that I will indeed throw
the game to France if I have to disband as a result of his actions. Support
for France into Mun, Vie, Ser, Smy, Con, etc and the game is over in a
heartbeat.
Roberto
Message from England to France, Italy, and Russia
Prince Boar,
>PS: Oh, I forgot, did you want to just end this thing?
>I will set draw for this phase.
Please clarify the "will" in that sentence. Does that mean that you
already have done so, or that you will get around to it later, say when you
submit moves?
Ivy
Message from France to England, Italy, and Russia
Ivy:
I answered your question early.
>I will state in my private eoy message whether I voted
>for it. I have voted for the draw, but I will not bother
>repeating that fact.
(I guess that I did repeat it, but it was more of a replay
more than a repeat.)
I just got home from Harry Potter. The kids liked
it. I thought it was good too, but would have been
perhaps better if I had never read the books.
At least they did not completely change it.
It is nice to finally know how to pronounce Hermione
(although I am already forgetting :-)
Lord of the Rings looks good. I covered my eyes for
Star Wars because I did not want to ruin it by seeing
too much. The trailers were 20 minutes in the
theatre I was in! 20 Minutes! It is getting out of
hand really.
I will try to write private messages later. I have to get
ready to go out Xmas shopping. Compared to that
nightmare, dealing with you cut throats is quite friendly
;-)
--Prince Boar
Message from England to France
Prince Boar,
>I answered your question early.
Yes, you did. Careless of me. Sorry.
I'm in a bit of a bad mood. Our ultimate frisbee game just fell through
because a lot of people didn't show up. Now I have to go home and put up
outdoor Christmas decorations.
Ivy
Message from England to Italy and Russia
>I answered your question early.
That's right, he did. I forgot.
> >I will state in my private eoy message whether I voted
> >for it. I have voted for the draw, but I will not bother
> >repeating that fact.
He's toying with the little people -- us. Let's work on the moves.
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
> >I will not participate in any scheme to eliminate a player unless
> >and until we four are at roughly 9-9-8-8 in strength and have equal
> >chances. At that point all's fair, as they say. Don't even ask me in
> >private if I mean it.
>
>I won't ask if you mean it, but I feel compelled to
>point out that FA Pie S Ven, FF Adr S Ion will keep
>Italy from building until France drops below four
>Centers, or we get a Unit to Mar/GoL, so 9-9-8-8 is
>unlikely to happen.
That's a nice observation. I think it will be very easy to take Vienna,
Budapest, Greece, and Trieste from France. After that, we run into the
situation that you describe. However, that will mean that France has only
10 centers. Italy will probably have about 8 centers, even though he will
only have 6 actual forces. Those 6 forces will be spread awfully thin,
won't they? 10-8 is close enough to 9-8. The important thing isn't the
precise number of units, but whether or not France has winning chances
while a fourth person is eliminated.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England and Italy
Ivy, and Roberto,
> Message from England to Russia and Italy in 'titleist':
>
> England:
> North Atlantic->Mid-Atlantic
> Irish & North Sea supp Picardy->Channel
> Den->Kiel->Berlin
Hol S Pic-Bel, or Hol S Nth-Bel, and Mun S Kie-Ruh has
potential, I think.
> Russia:
> Moscow->StP
I'm toying with Mov-Sev followed by Sev-Arm in the Fall. F Mar
will move to GoL this Spring, and then either to WMed or TyS in
the Fall. If it moves to TyS, we can expect TyS-Ion-EMed in 1912,
and we'll need another Unit in Turkey to hold Smy.
> Holland supp Denmark->Kiel
I think supporting an attack on Bel from Pic or Nth would make
more sense.
Nick.
Message from France to England
Ivy:
I am sorry to hear about your Ultimate Game getting
canceled. I used to play in college. It sure is
exhausting. Right now I do not think that I could run up
the field twice without collapsing. I must find time to
get back on my bike. If this game would end, that would
help :-) I was also never very good at throwing the
frisbee straight, although I did get better at the
fore-hand throw.
I hope that you got your holiday lights up OK. Mine are
done. It did not seem right that I was not doing it in
freezing weather. My wife keeps adding new decoration
each year. I think that she is punishing me for
something :-)
Oh, by the way, please remove your fleet from Picardy or
else I shall have to destroy it. :-) It is leaving
slime all over my pretty coastline. I guess that when
Russia takes St. Petes, you will not have to worry about
what to disband. ;-)
--Prince Boar
Message from Italy to England and Russia
> I'm toying with Mov-Sev followed by Sev-Arm in the Fall.
Italy respectively requests these moves not be made.
Roberto
Message from Italy to England
It is your job to keep Idalia locked away in her Turkish prison cell. If
Russia enters SEV during any season without my consent, Idalia gets parolled
and Roberto goes to death row.
Italy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
Sorry I've gone silent. Work pressures; Christmas pressures (already);
Steeler football. They almost blew that game today.
>> I'm toying with Mov-Sev followed by Sev-Arm in the Fall.
>
>Italy respectively requests these moves not be made.
I think he meant "respectfully," but "respectively" will do.
Even before this exchange, Italy detailed to me his plans for giving the
game to France, if Russia disappointed him again.
I happen to believe that if you move to Sevastopol, even if on the way to
Armenia, that the game will end quickly in a French victory. Italy is
very, very, touchy right now after the Warsaw caper.
Let's just proceed with reducing France. Italy will be vulnerable to a
quick collapse later on, at which time he will be incapable of throwing the
game. He can't build, and after some of his armies advance across Austria
toward Italy, he will be exceptionally porous in his rear.
>Italy respectively requests these moves not be made.
This is Italy's way of preparing for irrepairable anger if you go to
Sevastopol. Let's please not do it. France is in great trouble in the
southeast, and the extra army won't be needed there.
Ivy
Message from England to Italy
Italy,
>It is your job to keep Idalia locked away in her Turkish prison cell. If
>Russia enters SEV during any season without my consent, Idalia gets parolled
>and Roberto goes to death row.
My job. Sigh. Yes, that's what they pay me for. France is so close to
losing centers left and right. If only Russia can stay disciplined.
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
An afterthought. I think it best that you not mention to either Italy or
France your observation about how easy it will be for France to keep Italy
out of his homeland.
Italy does some strange things when he gets discouraged. We want him to
cooperate for several more turns.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England and Italy
Gentlemen,
> Message from Italy to England and Russia in 'titleist':
>
> > I'm toying with Mov-Sev followed by Sev-Arm in the Fall.
>
> Italy respectively requests these moves not be made.
Very well. If, however, France does move GoL-TyS this
Fall, I will have to move Mos-Sev, and then Sev-Arm in
1912, unless you can find a way to get a fourth Unit into
Syria.. I will not allow France to do an end-around into
Turkey and Sevastopol.
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from Italy to England and Russia
>
> Very well. If, however, France does move GoL-TyS this
> Fall, I will have to move Mos-Sev, and then Sev-Arm in
> 1912, unless you can find a way to get a fourth Unit into
> Syria.. I will not allow France to do an end-around into
> Turkey and Sevastopol.
>
I am open to discussing the possibility of these moves next year depending
on how the board looks at the time.
Roberto
Message from Italy to England and Russia
Forgot to mention, orders entered as per Ivy's suggestions.....unless
somebody has a different alternative.
Roberto
Message from France to England
Ivy:
Did you get your holiday lights up yet? Let me know when
they go on so I can turn off some of my lights to
compensate :-) The next thing that my wife is consider
is wreaths 25 ft up on the garage or lights over the two
story arch on our front stoop. At least when you guys
try to knock me off you are more subtle about it ;-)
It is too bad that I did not build that fleet last year.
If it was sitting in WES and the channel was exposed, I
might have been able to have some fun. :-) Maybe I still
will.
Oh year, whatever you do, DO NOT attack either Italy or
Russia. I beg you not to!
--Prince Boar
PS: The Packers play tonight and need a win to keep up
with the 49ers and Bears. I also need 2 TDs from Favre
and/or Freeman as well as some decent yardage to win in
Fantasy Football. So do cheer for a Favre to Freeman TD!
Thanks :-)
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
I remember sending a note suggesting the
possibilty of Hol S Pic-Bel, but I can't find my
copy of it. Did you get such a note? In any event,
we should finalize our moves. It seems to me that
France has to order Spa S MAO, so his only way to
block ECh is with Bre-ECh, and if he does that and
dislodges Pic, you'll retreat to Bre, so I think
you can order Pic-Bel and retreat to ECh or Bre if
the attack fails, and you're dislodged. Does that
make sense to you?
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from Russia to England and Italy
> Movement orders for Spring of 1911. (titleist.042)
> Russia: Army Warsaw -> Galicia.
> Russia: Army Munich -> Tyrolia.
> Russia: Fleet Holland, No Order Processed.
> Russia: Army Vienna -> Trieste.
> Russia: Army Moscow -> Livonia.
Just so you know. I'm waiting to hear from Ivy about what he
wants to do with our Fleets.
Nick.
Message from England to Master
Doug,
We've just had a serious loss of e-mail service here at Bucknell
University. I've not had access since Sunday evening and I have no idea
what has been lost (in & out) since Friday.
Please, may we have an extension to Tuesday evening? I am deliberately
going to be late with orders, because I don't know when you will read this.
Allen
>Files have been restored as of 11:00 P.M. Friday, November 30.
>Unfortunately, all e-mail messages received but unread between that
>time and about 9:00 P.M. on Sunday, December 2, have been lost.
>Outbound messages sent after 9:00 P.M on Saturday, December 1, which
>couldn't immediately be forwarded to their destinations might also
>have been lost. In addition, you could receive some messages you've
>already previously seen.
Message from England to all
Friends,
I've experienced an e-mail outage. In addition to having no mail for about
a day, it appears that incoming and outgoing mail may have been lost prior
to the outage. I've asked Doug for a one-day extension.
I'll send individual messages shortly.
I will not be submitting moves this evening.
Ivy
***************************
>Files have been restored as of 11:00 P.M. Friday, November 30.
>Unfortunately, all e-mail messages received but unread between that
>time and about 9:00 P.M. on Sunday, December 2, have been lost.
>Outbound messages sent after 9:00 P.M on Saturday, December 1, which
>couldn't immediately be forwarded to their destinations might also
>have been lost. In addition, you could receive some messages you've
>already previously seen.
Message from Italy to England
Forwarding message(s) you may have lost that I sent Sunday night. You seem
to have read and replied to any earlier messages so I'm not bothering
forwarding them (unless you need me to).
> Message from Italy to England and Russia in 'titleist':
>
> > Message from Russia to England and Italy in 'titleist':
> >
> > Very well. If, however, France does move GoL-TyS this
> > Fall, I will have to move Mos-Sev, and then Sev-Arm in
> > 1912, unless you can find a way to get a fourth Unit into
> > Syria.. I will not allow France to do an end-around into
> > Turkey and Sevastopol.
> >
>
> I am open to discussing the possibility of these moves next
> year depending on how the board looks at the time.
>
> Roberto
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> Message from Italy to England and Russia in 'titleist':
>
> Forgot to mention, orders entered as per Ivy's suggestions.....unless
> somebody has a different alternative.
>
> Roberto
>
Message from Master to all
Extension at player request
Doug
masseyd@btv.ibm.com as Master set the deadline
for game 'titleist' to Tue Dec 04 2001 23:30:00 -0500.
Grace period deadline advanced to Fri Dec 07 2001 23:30:00 -0500.
Message from England to Italy
Thanks, Roberto. I had not seen these messages before.
I have not heard from Nick, since last week, so I fear something from him
may have gotten lost. In particular, I don't know that he has ever agreed
to the proposed moves except for that one message in which he said he
prefered Silesia-> Bohemia and Warsaw->Galicia.
From what you just sent, I gather that he has agreed not to go to Sevastopol.
Sorry this is short, I'm headed for a 1.5 hour meeting.
Ivy
>Forwarding message(s) you may have lost that I sent Sunday night. You seem
>to have read and replied to any earlier messages so I'm not bothering
>forwarding them (unless you need me to).
>
> > Message from Italy to England and Russia in 'titleist':
> >
> > > Message from Russia to England and Italy in 'titleist':
> > >
> > > Very well. If, however, France does move GoL-TyS this
> > > Fall, I will have to move Mos-Sev, and then Sev-Arm in
> > > 1912, unless you can find a way to get a fourth Unit into
> > > Syria.. I will not allow France to do an end-around into
> > > Turkey and Sevastopol.
> > >
> >
> > I am open to discussing the possibility of these moves next
> > year depending on how the board looks at the time.
> >
> > Roberto
>
>------------------------------
>
> > Message from Italy to England and Russia in 'titleist':
> >
> > Forgot to mention, orders entered as per Ivy's suggestions.....unless
> > somebody has a different alternative.
> >
> > Roberto
> >
Message from Italy to England
Nick sent this this morning.....
>
> Message from Russia to England and Italy in 'titleist':
>
> > Movement orders for Spring of 1911. (titleist.042)
>
> > Russia: Army Warsaw -> Galicia.
> > Russia: Army Munich -> Tyrolia.
> > Russia: Fleet Holland, No Order Processed.
> > Russia: Army Vienna -> Trieste.
> > Russia: Army Moscow -> Livonia.
>
>
> Just so you know. I'm waiting to hear from Ivy about what he
> wants to do with our Fleets.
>
> Nick.
>
Message from England to Italy and Russia
Nick & Roberto,
Roberto sent me this late this afternoon. I see it was addressed to both
Italy and England, but my copy never arrived.
> Message from Russia to England and Italy in 'titleist':
>
> > Movement orders for Spring of 1911. (titleist.042)
>
> > Russia: Army Warsaw -> Galicia.
> > Russia: Army Munich -> Tyrolia.
> > Russia: Fleet Holland, No Order Processed.
> > Russia: Army Vienna -> Trieste.
> > Russia: Army Moscow -> Livonia.
>
>
> Just so you know. I'm waiting to hear from Ivy about what he
> wants to do with our Fleets.
My original proposal was as follows:
>England:
>North Atlantic->Mid-Atlantic
>Irish & North Sea supp Picardy->Channel
>Den->Kiel->Berlin
>
>Russia:
>Moscow->StP
>Holland supp Denmark->Kiel
>Warsaw->Galicia
>Munich->Tyrolia
>Vienna->Trieste
I see that Nick has Moscow->Livonia. That's fine with me, for it still
preserves the option of StP. My fleet moves are designed to get me back to
the Channel, and I will do that.
Holland supp Denmark->Kiel then seems to be the missing piece. If that is
fine with you, Nick, then we might get all moves in tonight after all. I
will wait until I hear from you before entering moves.
Communication has been terrible on my end, and I don't know if I have
missed any other joint or private messages. So please don't interpret this
note as a hurry to cut off debate. We do have another day if we need to
tinker with moves. I do confess though, that I like this set of moves.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
I remember sending a note suggesting the
possibilty of Hol S Pic-Bel, but I can't find my
copy of it. Did you get such a note? In any event,
we should finalize our moves. It seems to me that
France has to order Spa S MAO, so his only way to
block ECh is with Bre-ECh, and if he does that and
dislodges Pic, you'll retreat to Bre, so I think
we can order Hol S Pic-Bel and you can retreat to
ECh or Bre if the attack fails, and you're dislodged.
Does that make sense to you?
In Alliance,
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
It's good to hear your voice!
> I remember sending a note suggesting the
>possibilty of Hol S Pic-Bel, but I can't find my
>copy of it. Did you get such a note?
Yes, I think so. But my mail has been so messed up I have lost track of
who I've replied to, and who actually got my reply, and who I haven't
replied to. Sorry.
> I remember sending a note suggesting the
>possibilty of Hol S Pic-Bel, but I can't find my
>copy of it. Did you get such a note? In any event,
>we should finalize our moves. It seems to me that
>France has to order Spa S MAO, so his only way to
>block ECh is with Bre-ECh, and if he does that and
>dislodges Pic, you'll retreat to Bre, so I think
>we can order Hol S Pic-Bel and you can retreat to
>ECh or Bre if the attack fails, and you're dislodged.
>Does that make sense to you?
I always assumed that, if France tried to crush my fleet, he would do the
following:
MAO->Eng
Bre supp Spa->MAO
Burgundy & Paris supp Belgium->Picardy
Those moves protect MAO and cover the Channel and keep Brest at home so I
have no retreat.
**France may even do the fleet moves MAO->Eng & Bre supp Spa->MAO even if
he does something else with his armies.** So I think I must cover the
Channel anyway.
So I am still voting for forcing Picardy->Channel. Have you considered the
above moves?
Where we are really going to get France is east of Switzerland.
Did you get my messages about what Italy will face if we take Trieste,
Budapest, greece and Bulgaria from France? The distribution should be
something like 10-8-8-8, and Italy will still only have six actual units
that will be spread out from Turkey to Switzerland. We (that includes
France) should be able to easily eliminate Italy then with little chance of
a French victory.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
> I always assumed that, if France tried to crush my fleet, he would do the
> following:
>
> MAO->Eng
> Bre supp Spa->MAO
> Burgundy & Paris supp Belgium->Picardy
> So I am still voting for forcing Picardy->Channel. Have you considered
the
> above moves?
Hmmm, perhaps this is why I don't do well as England... 8-) Pic-ECh is
fine.
> Did you get my messages about what Italy will face if we take Trieste,
> Budapest, greece and Bulgaria from France? The distribution should be
> something like 10-8-8-8, and Italy will still only have six actual units
> that will be spread out from Turkey to Switzerland. We (that includes
> France) should be able to easily eliminate Italy then with little chance
of
> a French victory.
*nod* Yes, I got that letter. France continues to try to get me to stab
Italy
now, and I keep saying, 'Maybe next year...' We'll have to see if he moves
GoL-TyS this Fall. ;^}
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>Pic-ECh is fine.
I'm typing during commercials in the Green Bay game. The Packers better
shape up or Prince Boar is going to be disappointed.
>*nod* Yes, I got that letter. France continues to try to get me to stab
>Italy now, and I keep saying, 'Maybe next year...'
The Prince is a good guy. He has my grudging admiration, but (horrors!) he
is trying to win the game. I'll gladly give him his share of the result,
but I'm not in his corner until we are closer to his size, or he ours.
I will enter moves at halftime. I can't think of anything better for
Holland than Holland supp Den->Kiel. I don't see any risk in these moves
for you. In theory France could drive you back to Helgoland, but I doubt
he will. If he does it is easy to retake in the fall. In the meantime we
get him in a hopeless bind in central Europe.
Ivy
Message from England to Italy and Russia
My moves are in. I think we are all squared away. Thanks for the help today.
Ivy
Message from England to France
Farve. Ho-hum. Piece o' cake.
Message from England to France
>Farve. Ho-hum. Piece o' cake.
Oops, make that "Favre"
Message from England to France, Italy, and Russia
Thanks for your patience, fellows. My e-mail is fine now, although it
turns out that I really did miss some messages.
My moves are in. I have not set wait. My set draw remains in
effect. [Editorial: I think it has been determined that someone out there
has no interest in a draw just yet. Strange that he thought it necessary
to prevaricate about it. The rest of us would have respected an honest,
"let's play on."]
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
>My moves are in. I have not set wait.
Mine too.
>[Editorial: I think it has been determined that
> someone out there has no interest in a draw
>just yet. Strange that he thought it necessary
>to prevaricate about it. The rest of us would have respected an honest,
>"let's play on."]
Of course, the question is, who made that decision?
The prevarication doesn't surprise me, actually,
though. It forces EIR to wonder who's going to
get whittled out of a three-way, (assuming France
said no), and makes France wonder if someone wants
to get ahead of him in Center-count (assuming France
said yes).
Ivy
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Message from France to England
Ivy:
>>Farve. Ho-hum. Piece o' cake.
>Oops, make that "Favre"
Darn tootin!
Your soon to be other large neighbor,
Boar
Message from England to France
>Your soon to be other large neighbor,
>Boar
You have to explain this to me. It's over my head. You are my only large
neighbor. Will there be another?
Ivy
Message from France to England
Ivy:
Wan't it obvious? :-)
I should actually type, your soon to be small neighbor.
I soon may be the smallest on the board and you
will need to worry about Italy and Russia. Atleast
I may get mail in that case.
--Prince Boar
Message from France to England
Ivy:
So, from a hypothetical point of view. What would
have to happen for us to begin working together again?
I like Nick, but he can be frustrating to try and deal with.
Roberto, I am happy to not have to deal with right now.
I do miss working with you, not that I would not be
worried about that third betrayal? :-)
I would have been happy to have this thing end.
But if it must go on, I would prefer it not be so
excruciating boring.
--Prince Boar
England: Army Denmark → Kiel
England: Fleet Irish Sea SUPPORT Fleet Picardy → English Channel
England: Army Kiel → Berlin
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean → Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Fleet Picardy → English Channel
England: Fleet Picardy → English Channel
England: Army Wales → London
France: Fleet Aegean Sea → Eastern Mediterranean
France: Army Belgium → Picardy
France: Fleet Brest SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Budapest → Serbia (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Bulgaria (south coast) SUPPORT Fleet Greece → Aegean Sea
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Ruhr → Munich
France: Fleet Greece → Aegean Sea
France: Fleet Marseilles → Spain (south coast)
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean CONVOY English Army Wales → Switzerland
France: Army Paris SUPPORT Army Belgium → Picardy
France: Army Ruhr → Munich
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) → Western Mediterranean
France: Army Trieste → Albania
France: Army Tyrolia → Bohemia (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Ankara → Black Sea
Italy: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Rumania → Bulgaria (*void*)
Italy: Army Rumania → Budapest (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Serbia → Trieste (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Silesia → Bohemia (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Smyrna SUPPORT Army Constantinople
Russia: Fleet Holland → Belgium
Russia: Army Moscow → Livonia
Russia: Army Munich → Tyrolia (*bounce, destroyed*)
Russia: Army Vienna → Trieste (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Warsaw → Ukraine
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