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Message from England to Germany
Fredd,
While lying awake in the middle of the night, I reached an easy decision:
trust Germany and move Nth->Nwg. No bounce.
Why was I awake? Read my broadcast. A little dose of real life certainly
puts Diplomacy in perspective.
Ivy
>Message from Germany to England in 'titleist':
>
>Ivy:
> > My work load is suddenly picked up considerably, so my responses
> > may not be as timely as before.
>
>No problem. My opinion is that less is more in this game. Everyone has
>their own agenda here. That agenda rarely matches anyone elses. If you
>talk too much to someone, you'll soon get pissed at that guy because you
>can never agree on anything.
>
> > One difference though. When you were worried about a stab from me,
> > you had 6 units to my 5, and I would have only been able to pick up
> > one of your centers with the stab. In the current situation, when
> > it is still 6 to 5 in your favor, if you entered the North Sea you
> > would get two of my centers, making it 8 to 3. That's not just a
> > stab; that is death.
>
>Actually any of us can pick up two centers from the other in a quick
>hurry. I could take two of yours right now, provided that certain
>people help me out either through action or inaction. Obviously there's
>the quick snatch of Belgium, but one of our friends has pointed out a
>way that I can take Norway, guaranteed.
>Just as certainly you can grab HOL, with France's help. Or swing NTH-SKA
>and ENG-NTH, to grab DEN. Or both.
>
>The reason that we don't do these things is that neither of us likes the
>end result. That's a strong France. We both know that we'll be at war
>with him that minute you or I get depleted. We also both know who
>usually wins that war. Add in that Italy will probably have already
>won, and I don't like the results of grabbing a quick center.
>
>I'd like to stop talking about bouncing NTH. Once before we both moved
>away simultaneously. I can do that again. How about you?
>DEN - BAL and NTH - NWG seem the best moves. I don't think that we
>have a turn to waste on that bounce.
>
>Fredd
Message from England to all
First, I am fairly confident that I will not need a deadline
extension. Tomorrow (Thursday) is a light work day for me, and that should
suffice. Read on.
Yesterday afternoon my wife ran up to me at work and said, "We've got to
get home immediately." [My wife and I work at the same place.] When we
got home, we saw that virtually every major tree on our property was
uprooted or snapped off at the base. The huge oak tree missed the house,
but it was laying across the street, blocking traffic. On the other side
of the house four maple trees were laying on our roof. In the back corner
of the lot my "wildlife forest" was flattened. Electricity, telephone, and
cable TV were all ripped off the house.
As I type, a crew of about six men is working to clear debris from the
roof. We think the only damage to the house will be some light roof
damage, but our yard and its 40-year old trees and landscaping has been
totaled.
This is NOT a plea for sympathy. I am rather hyper right now and just need
to talk. I know the difference between a major nuisance and a
disaster. What we have is not a disaster. Planning the yard again from
scratch might be fun in the long run. And I won't be raking many leaves
for a long time.
Talk to you tomorrow.
Ivy
Message from England to Germany
Fredd,
In spite of my broadcast, I am making time to write to you. [Next stop is
my insurance agent.]
Two points. It should be very easy for us to get to put armies in Burgundy
and Picardy this year, maybe even by this spring. After tha, France is in
real trouble. He cannot cover both Marseilles and Paris with his two
armies. I am confident we can handle France fast enough before Italy is
unstoppable. Turkey's last 4 or 5 centers will be very hard for Italy to get.
Second point. Turkey seems to want peace with Russia so that Russia can
help him against Italy. This probably requires that Turkey give Sevastopol
to Russia, and it appears that Turkey is willing to do this so he can
survive to grow again another day. Who is to say how Russia will behave
after he gets Sevastopol, though? Another approach is for you to insist
that Russia be dismantled fast, so that you and Turkey are free to work
against Italy together.
Which approach with Russia do you prefer? I will take your line when
talking to Turkey.
I should be able to peek at my e-mail later this afternoon, but I probably
have no Internet access later at home.
I will have time tomorrow.
Remember, I am offering to move Nth to Norwegian Sea, Eng sup Bel->Pic
along with Mun sup Ruh->Bur and presumably Den->Bal. Is this OK?
Ivy
Message from Germany to England
It's good to hear that you'll trust me. Strangely enough just hearing
that makes me want to be trustworthy. ;-) Must be a human behavior.
> Remember, I am offering to move Nth to Norwegian Sea, Eng sup
> Bel->Pic
> along with Mun sup Ruh->Bur and presumably Den->Bal. Is this OK?
this all works for me. Oops no it doesn't. BUR could retreat to BEL.
I'd really like to move MUN south, but realize that I can't do it this
turn. It does mean that I can move HOL-RUH. That'll help.
My personal preference is to have Russia help Turkey out immediately.
For instance moving WAR to GAL this turn. To that end I've made an
offer to Russia that I'll leave him alone if he gives up STP, and
disbands that fleet. Naturally he's reluctant to do that. On the other
hand, what good is that fleet? In exchange I promised to build an army
and send it south.
Fredd
Message from France to all
Ivy:
I am sorry to hear about your problems. I know that it
is not a true diaster, but it is disturbing nonetheless.
It can make one think about how close things can come to
being true diasters. I guess that you can also think
yourself charmed and lucky that your house was not more
damaged. The French people are thinking of you.
I, on the other hand, am busy for more positive, but
perhaps no less stressful reasons. I had the joy of
sending a child off for his first day of Kindergarten.
He was excited and it seemed to have gone well. But I
was busy all morning and I am way behind at work. I
realize I owe some of you messages, I will send a couple
very short ones now.
My Spring symposium will have to wait. Please do not get
too disappointed by that.
--Prince Boar
Message from Master to all
I'm out of town from tomorrow to the 9th, and won't be back reliably until
the 11th, but I'll probably check my email on the 9th and 10th. Please
submit orders and play nicely. :-)
Doug
Message from France to England
Wingo:
Have things settled down at work? I was hoping to hear
from you. You promised me a letter when you had the
time. I think you were planning to agree to stop your
attack on France. I hope that you actually wrote that
and I was not dreaming that I read it.
Le DAUPHIN
Message from Russia to all
"St. Petersburg Pravda"
January, 1905
"Economy Still Stagnant"
The economic malaise which has plagued Russia
since 1902 continues unabated. The employment crisis
in Sevastopol has worsened as a result of the Turkish
4th Army's failure to return to Rumania. Foreign
Ministry sources reveal that Turkish representatives
repeatedly pledged to vacate Sevastopol last Fall.
The Bolsheviks continue to demand structural reforms
of the EEU and the Russian government, and still
threaten revolution if these changes are not made.
Czar Nicholas's standing with the people has
improved somewhat, however, both because his pledge
to destroy the Austrian 1st Cavalry was carried out
last Spring, and because of his inspired defense of
St. Petersburg last Fall. It is rumored that the
Czar himself acted as a Forward Observer, and called
down the shore bombardment of the German 4th Army in
Livonia from the bridge of the Royal Yacht, the
Standart. This shore bombardment and the harassing
attacks from the 1st Guards Division, currently
holding Warsaw, stopped the German assault in its
tracks. The German retreat from Silesia suggests
that the Czar may well be able to defend St.
Petersburg indefinitely, but without economic growth,
it seems Russia is doomed.
Message from England to all
I'm finally back in the office at 1:20 on Thursday. I will try to rush out
an individual e-mail to each of you now.
It was an F-1 tornado, the weakest variety. Damage to our home will be
less than $1000. Cleanup outside plus landscaping will be a few thousand
more. The worst part is that we lost a few trees that cannot be
replaced. Not too bad overall, it wasn't quite the proverbial "act of
God." One of the lesser angels must have been messing around.
Ivy
Message from England to Russia and Turkey
Ali,
Prior to your return, I had already sent Nick my version of the
events. Nick can see that your version and mine are the same in all
important respects.
I will see what I can do to get Germany to leave Russia alone so that
Russia can help defend against Italy, but I have to believe that Germany
will not give up his assault on StP.
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
If Turkey does not want to give you Sevastopol now that he really needs
you, then he is crazy. If the two of you act as a single, unified nation
then Italy can be stymied and each of you will live to fight another day.
I probed Germany concerning his attitude toward you, now that Italy has a
powerful position. I asked him if he preferred (a) destroying Russia so
that he (Germany) would be free to help against Italy or (b) having Russia
around so that Russia could immediately help Turkey, before it is too
late. Germany said that he preferred the latter, and I have no reason to
doubt this.
The catch, as usual, is that Germany still wants StP now. My Germany
friend really likes to have things his way.
In the meantime, he is surely thinking of stabbing me on this particular
turn. He may or he may not. If he does I will probably throw surviving
fleets north toward Scandinavia.
Ivy
Message from England to Italy
Good Roberto,
I have a suggestion for you. [It is axiomatic that if everyone followed my
suggestions, I would always win.] France and I have five units each, and
the long stalemate is very good for you. You probably want to see this
continue.
My suggestion is that you announce to France and me in a joint communique a
policy of neutrality as long as the centers remain at 5-5. You will simply
hold in the Western Med. This policy would make everything right between
us after that nasty fib last fall.
Also, by doing this, you may be helping yourself. There is a very good
chance that Germany is planning to cross me this turn, and by helping
France you might only hasten his victory in the west.
If you don't do this, then I will ... I will ... hmmm, I will threaten you
with very bad threats that I cannot possibly carry out. There.
Your friend,
Ivy
Message from England to Germany
Fredd,
>this all works for me. Oops no it doesn't. BUR could retreat to BEL.
Say! If I had a fleet in the North Sea then Nth->Bel would prevent
this. 8-) 8-) I'm smiling, I'm smiling, don't get upset.
I do find it amusing that we have been in this precise predicament
before. My "solution" then, Lon->Nth, didn't work very well. Anyway, I
promise it is still Nth-Nwg unless I hear from you begging something like
Nth-Bel.
Ivy
Message from France to all
Czar Nick wrote:
>Foreign Ministry sources reveal that Turkish
>representatives repeatedly pledged to vacate
>Sevastopol last Fall.
It is obvious that the Italians tied their shoe laces
together when they were not looking. It is one of the
oldest tricks in the book. I am shocked that the Turks
fell for it.
Ivy wrote:
>it wasn't quite the proverbial "act of
>God." One of the lesser angels must have been
>messing around.
Obviously they are punishing you for attacking France! I
suggest that you repent now.
Josephine
Sister to Prince Boar and the Dauphin
and recently released from the convent
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
Sorry to hear about your problems at home. Sounds like it could have been a
lot worse; but that's little consolation when your home is threatened. I have
the same fear, since my house is close to some very tall trees which, if they
fell in the wrong direction, could cause a lot of damage. Those trees were
the most desirable feature of the lot we built on, but at the same time they
present a real concern. Anyway, I'm glad to hear that things are ok.
As for the game, I really don't have many choices other than to defend against
Italy as best I can. I'm sure to lose one this year, two if Russia takes Sev.
Hopefully he'll see that a quick Turkish death wouldn't serve Russian purposes
any.
I finally heard from Germany. He doesn't seem really happy with either GE or
GF at the moment. His big concern with you, of course, is F Nth. However, he
seems to also share our common belief that GF would be bad for him in the long
run, since he would ultimately end up just as vulnerable to French fleets as
English. It seems he's focusing his efforts on convincing Russia to give up
StP voluntarily. Naturally, I hope he does not succeed in these efforts,
since that would push Russia to take Sev to make up for it.
I've been looking at the board for some time, trying to figure out some way to
get pressure on Italy. Frankly, the only possibility I see is EF. Whether
Germany sides with England or France, by the time the western triangle is
resolved Italy will hold most of the south. Conversely, an EF would allow you
to make gains in Germany and Scandinavia, and allow France to apply real
pressure against Italy. I believe that FT cooperation against Italy would
bring Italy down quickly... *if* France were to move now. A year or two down
the road will probably be too late.
So, any chance you and France might make amends? I am, of course, writing to
France with the same suggestion.
It won't matter much from my point of view, for this turn at least, as I'll be
making the same moves either way. I'm trying to decide whether to try and
force Bul-Con, or move F Bul back to Bla for defense. I had also thought of
Arm-Ank, Sev-Arm for defensive purposes, but Russia suggests Sev-Rum makes
more sense. If you have any thoughts or suggestions, they would be most
welcome. Time permitting, of course.
Best regards,
Ali
Message from England to France
Dauphin,
I think I have in hand (below) the earliest of your messages that I have
not responded to.
>Either one of us
>is very wrong, or he [Italy] is playing us both like Bach plays a
>piano.
The latter apparently. I certainly believed that Roberto was attacking you
last turn.
>The reason that your statement really surprised me is
>that it does seem obvious to me that he is only helping
>me because he wishes to stalemate our situation. As long
>as we are at war, and no one is winning, he has the time
>to do as he pleases in the south without concern for his
>other border. The reason that I was willing to trust him
>is because I felt confident that he would not take Spain,
>because he did not want you to have the advantage over
>me.
I agree with all of this.
>The person that I think Italy tight with is Germany.
I don't think so. I think Italy doesn't play favorites. He will warm up
to anyone who can help him for the moment. Then it is on to another
friend. He is very good at it, of course.
>I wish you to honest tell me how it has been working with Germany.
It's very tough. The problem is no longer lack of communication. We know
he had early problems with writing at all, but that quickly passed. The
problem, from my point of view, is the German need for absolute
security. Recall in the beginning that I invited you to build a fleet in
Brest and then accepted (invited? don't remember) its moving to the English
Channel. I was still courting two neighbors then. 8-) Germany could
never have done that. He won't take any risk if he can help it. I believe
he wildly overreacted to my North Sea move even though I thought I had
sufficient offensive and defensive reasons for that move and discussed them
with him. In his final response before I moved to the North Sea, he no
longer forbade the move. I took this, mistakenly, for grudging
permission. It's been tough going ever since then.
Unfortunately, I have always believed that a EG war would see you enter on
the side of Germany. Since you are required to say otherwise no matter
what your position, it is just about impossible for me to be persuaded
otherwise by a reading of your notes. I have had to rely on more subtle
things, which may or may not be accurate.
>If Italy manages to take out Turkey, ...
This would be very, very bad for all others. I am perfectly capable of
scrapping all plans in order to be part of a unified stop-Italy
campaign. It is a little too soon for that, but we all must watch carefully.
>If we worked together there is a chance that we could
>take out Germany fast enough to get after Italy before
>Turkey is eliminated.
Or Germany and I could take out you, or you and Germany could take out
me. All are possible.
>Italy to secure 14 centers that cannot be breached. It
>is not hard for Italy to get 2-3 more either in lower
>France or Russia. I realize that he is not there yet,
>but look at his position. He is lined up against Turkey.
> He drove a wedge between Turkey and Russia (by
>convincing Turkey to betray Russia near Sevastopol).
>Therefore he has an ally against Turkey. If I hold you
>back, what will stop him?
>
>Do you see obvious flaws in my logic?
Just the timing. Turkey has lots of resources. Russia may be helping him
as well. We are not at the danger point yet.
I am sorry that my note only replies to yours and does not break new ground.
For all sorts of reasons, my head hurts today.
Most cordially,
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England and France
Gentlemen,
By now you've both received my private suggestions that the two of you put
aside your differences and form an alliance. Naturally, I've got a fair
amount of self-interest in wanting to see pressure against Italy. However, in
reality that concern should be shared by everyone else on the board. Italy is
already the strongest power, he has not a single threat on the board, and he's
got lots of opportunity for further growth as he expands to the east.
Whether the West turns into EG vs. F or FG vs. E, it will be a while before
the western triangle is resolved. In that time, Italy will have secured the
lion's share of the south. Once he's gained a few more centers from me, and
turned them into new fleets, he'll be able to defend the Med against France
while continuing to grow in the east. Either EG or FG might be able to
prevent an outright Italian solo; but either way, Italy comes out on top.
Whatever happens, it's clear that someone in the west must take some bold
action, or Italy will run away with the game. The only way I can see to stop
Italian momentum is with French fleets; but the only way that can happen is in
alliance with England.
I hope you will consider this suggestion. I've maintained good relations with
you both, and if there's anything I can do to help broker a deal, you have but
to say the word.
Regards,
Ali
Message from France to England
Wingo:
Oh come on now, if you can't tell how we feel about
working with Germany, you have not been paying much
attention.
I would have no choice to to accept an alliance with
which ever one of you is willing to sign up with me. But
I prefer that it be you, much less stressful.
Since you are making it obivous that you are not
interested, I will have to put my efforts into talking
Germany into it and deal with the stress. I hope that
you will change your mind, or at least open it up to the
possibilities. If you do, I am more than anxious to talk
with you.
For what it is worth, I understand that EF, EG, FG all
sound about the same in terms of elimination the other.
But I do have two advantages. First, I think that France
has an excellent defensive position. Second, of England
and France, I am better positioned to stop Italy when the
time is right. I give Italy a year, maybe two, before he
comes steam rolling west.
Le DAUPHIN
Message from Italy to England
My apologies if this is a duplicate message. I thought I sent it but did
not receive a judge confirmation. I have been known to hit that little 'X'
instead of the 'Send' button.
>
> My suggestion is that you announce to France and me in a
> joint communique a policy of neutrality as long as the
> centers remain at 5-5. You will simply hold in the
> Western Med.
>
If I altered the announcement to be that I would anchor my fleet in the TYS
on the lookout for French treachery against the peoples of England and on a
moment's notice be available to turn rudder into the WES or GOL, would that
be acceptable?
Roberto
Message from England to Italy
Roberto,
Most certainly TYS would be fine. That is even more obvious neutrality, a
watch-and-wait policy that I would pursue in your position.
Ivy
> > My suggestion is that you announce to France and me in a
> > joint communique a policy of neutrality as long as the
> > centers remain at 5-5. You will simply hold in the
> > Western Med.
> >
>
>If I altered the announcement to be that I would anchor my fleet in the TYS
>on the lookout for French treachery against the peoples of England and on a
>moment's notice be available to turn rudder into the WES or GOL, would that
>be acceptable?
>
>Roberto
Message from Italy to England and France
Gentlemen,
After much reflection, it is time for Italy to declare its neutrality
involving any debate between your great nations. Henceforth, I will be
retreating my WMS fleet to the TYS where it will remain docked as long as
your nations remain at even strength. Upon request, the TYS fleet will be
available to assist against the aggressor if so deemed necessary.
We hope this policy meets with approval of all involved and we are certainly
willing to discuss this matter both publicly and privately.
Life is Beautiful,
Roberto
Message from France to all
Spring 1905 Symposium on Philosophy, Europe and
Everything.
- by Prince Xavier Boar
[This is Rece Davis here. Stuart Scott cannot make it
this year. It seems that he is stuck in Constantinople.
He was told that one can kiss girl's cheeks all you want
in Italian territory. I told him he was jumping the gun,
that the Italian are not in control there. But he
believe those anonymous reports floating around about
Italian relief efforts to Turkey. Any way, he tried to
kiss one to many girls and ended up in a Turkish court.
When he did not like the size of his fine/bribe, he
turned around and told the judge that he could kiss these
cheeks. Well he is currently cooling off in jail and who
knows when he will be back. I am filling in for him on
rather short notice I might add.]
[So is Italy starting too look like Barry Bonds or what?
Turkey might be considered Sosa because like the Cubs
they tease you with greatness and then peeter out in the
end.]
{silently….What? Oh, ok}
[It seems that I am supposed to be talking about this
symposium and not baseball. So, let's role the clip of
the uncensored parts of Prince Bore's speech.]
{silently, what, Boar? Hey I call them like I see them.
Oh OK!}
[Rather Prince Boar's speech]
My dear people. I hope that you have enjoyed our
celebrations. We have successfully repelled the English
and Germany invaders from our homeland and the
Mid-Atlantic Ocean. It is indeed a time for rejoicing.
We have had so little to celebrate, that I hate to bring
you back to reality, but the crisis is not beyond us.
Plenty of forces still are massed at our borders. But
rest assured that the Dauphin and I are doing everything
that we can to improve our situation, both diplomatically
and militarily. We hope for the best but are still
determined to deal with the worst.
We do wish to thank our Italian neighbors for their
critical assistance. We truly express our gratitude. It
will long be remembered. I ask you to let the Italians
join in our celebrations and then wish them a safe trip
home.
[The prince acts like they just won the Stanley Cup for
something. I supposed they are just happy that things
are not worse. Is it a turning point in French history
or just the eye of the hurricane? Hey an weather
analogy. I may have a career on the Weather Channel if
this ESPN gig every goes sour! Oh, here is the part
about Philosophy. All I can say is that I was suffering
just listening to it.]
Philosophy
Today's lecture is on the philosophy of the Budha. I
find it appropriate as Budha believed that "the weight of
suffering that goes on it the world is unbearable. For
every living thing: birth, suffering, death." Well the
French people have certainly had their share of
suffering. Are we through with our suffering or like
Budha suggest, will the wheel turn again to birth,
suffering, death?
Budha's first truth is that existence is suffering. The
French people, as well as the Russia, Austrian, and
perhaps the Turkish people certainly know this. The
Austrians have already gone the way of the Budha and
completed the circle with their death. We hope they find
their Nirvana. Budha's second truth is that our pain and
suffering are caused by what we perceive to be our needs
and cravings. His third truth is that we can eliminate
our pain if we eliminate our needs and cravings. We
offer this advice to the English. Your needs and
cravings for French centers are causing your pain and
suffering. You must let go these cravings and your pain
will disappear. The Germans can certain heed this advice
as well, if they crave French centers.
Budha's philosophy, or the way of the Budha, is that life
is brief and painful, birth is evil, death is release;
and the best way to live is to fall out of live with life
and develop a state of mind that will provide an
authentic experience of peace and joy. I truly wish this
blessing on us all
[Like I said, suffering man, suffering.]
[Reece]
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>Sorry to hear about the torando, but I'm glad your home wasn't too
>badly damaged.
It's OK, but the damage to the property is slowly sinking in and affecting me.
> He claims his lack of support so far is all Italy's fault, but he's been
>the one promising the orders and then changing them without telling me, so I
>really don't buy the, 'Italy made me do it!', line.
Right.
>If he moves out of Sev
>this year, then I'll work with him,
He tells me that he is moving out.
>if not, I'll demand the Lion's share of
>Turkey from Italy for my cooperation against Ali.
My worry is that Italy does not need your help at all. He might get
everything he wants, including the entire game if he is not opposed.
> He's considering Lvn-StP-Nwy, but hasn't committed to it.
Please clarify. I don't understand what "Lvn-StP-Nwy" means. there must
be a typo in there. Also, how do you know this?
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
Ah yes, now I see. If you move to Finland, then Liv->StP->Nwy really does
make sense. Of course, it also gives Germany the option of staying in StP
if he chooses.
Ivy
Message from England to France and Russia
Dauphin & Nick,
I am prepared to move against Germany now. Three reasons -- 1) Germany has
a much too juicy opportunity to stab me this turn if I make the moves that
I am supposed to make, 2) I am not getting anywhere anyway, even if Germany
makes the moves that he is supposed to make, and 3) Italy. In short, I
have little to lose, even if the Dauphin takes advantage of the situation
and throws in with Germany.
If the three of us combine against Germany, his demise should easily be
fast enough to prevent Italy from winning unimpeded.
Now, all I have to do this morning is teach some sleepy Engineers, talk to
the insurance adjuster, meet with the tree remover, and of course, conquer
Europe.
For starters, if Germany is telling the truth, he will double-attack
Burgundy. If not, he will double-attack Belgium. He won't attack
both. So Belgium can support Burgundy, and I hope I can receive support
from France in return. My fleets will go against Germany in a manner yet
undetermined, and the French fleets can do whatever the Dauphin deems to be
in his best interests.
Off to class. More later when I find a minute.
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
>Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
> >If he moves out of Sev
> >this year, then I'll work with him,
>
>He tells me that he is moving out.
Yeah, but he told me he was supporting me into Bud
in '03, and that he was moving out of Sev in '04. At
this point I'll believe it when I see it, and not before.
>My worry is that Italy does not need your help at all. He might get
>everything he wants, including the entire game if he is not opposed.
This may be true, but I see no reason to devote my
Units to stopping him if I'm going to be stuck on two or
three Centers for the rest of the game. Without growth,
my chances of a draw, let alone a win, are very small,
and if I can't count on Turkey to do what he says he's
going to do when it's in his own best interest, how can
I count on him to support things that are good for me?
>I don't understand what "Lvn-StP-Nwy" means.
Sorry, shorthand. GA Lvn-StP this Spring,
followed by GA StP-Nwy this Fall.
> Also, how do you know this?
He's trying to get me to commit to attacking
Italy, and I refuse to head South while he's in Lvn.
I suggested GoB C Lvn-Swe this Spring, but he didn't
like that. We're discussing GoB-Swe, StP-Fin, Lvn-StP
now. From there he has the option for Swe S StP-Nwy,
or Swe S StP-Fin to allow me to disband my Fleet,
build an Army, and send it south, or my moving War-Lvn,
Ukr-Mos in the Spring, and destroying his Army so that
he can rebuild it and use the new build against you,
France, or Italy. He still favors taking StP, though.
Nick.
Message from France to England
Wingo:
France is very pleased to hear of your decision. We
certainly hope that it is true! We will be conservative
(in case it isn't true), but will not act to try and take
advantage of it (in case it is true).
Any new builds France shall place in the Mediterranean to
combat the Italians. How do we go about assuring that I
have that resource?
We also need to eventually talk about how to keep most
your forces busy at the other corner so I can utilize
most of my force in the Mediterranean. I am sure that
two reasonable people can work it out.
We can talk about details for our armies later in the
day.
Le DAUPHIN
Message from England to France
Dauphin,
>Any new builds France shall place in the Mediterranean to
>combat the Italians. How do we go about assuring that I
>have that resource?
It's not easy. Only Munich and possibly Belgium appear to be
available. But then a six or seven center France will be as strong as
England, and I can't do better than that. For this turn in particular,
when there is little trust between us, I can't think of anything better
than mutual support between Belgium and Burgundy. Germany will attack one
of these.
Afterwards, when you see my fleets moving north, we can use our three
armies against Ruhr and then Munich. Germany can defend on land only at
the cost of losses farther north. He will prefer to defend in the north,
because he will be angrier at me.
>We also need to eventually talk about how to keep most
>your forces busy at the other corner so I can utilize
>most of my force in the Mediterranean.
Oh, they will be busy. Don't worry.
Ivy
Message from France to England
Wingo:
I do not know what you have in mind for your fleets. But
you could support Belgium from the Channel and then use
Belgium to support Burgundy to Ruhr. It may fail, but it
might be better than holding.
We, or I, would have to do a little soul searching, but I
may be willing to try this first step. The biggest risk
would be German forces in France if you betrayed me,
which would be inevitable anyways.
Le DAUPHIN
Message from Germany to England
Nothing much new here. Lots of talk. Nothing that really makes me want
to switch alliances. Currently I have orders in for RUHR-BUR supported
by Munich.
Fredd
Message from England to France
Dauphin,
My last message was unpolished -- they all are these days -- for my wife
was standing over my shoulder at work saying, "we need to go home, now."
>I do not know what you have in mind for your fleets. But
>you could support Belgium from the Channel and then use
>Belgium to support Burgundy to Ruhr. It may fail, but it
>might be better than holding.
OK, I can do this. I was hoping for Channel->Nth, but it's important that
Germany not destroy the army in Belgium.
>We, or I, would have to do a little soul searching, but I
>may be willing to try this first step. The biggest risk
>would be German forces in France if you betrayed me,
>which would be inevitable anyways.
Had I stayed loyal to Germany, and he to me, Burgundy would be displaced
this year, for Eng is supposed to cut Pic.
It seems to me that Picardy supp Belgium is a no-lose move for you. There
are four cases to consider depending whether or not Germany and I are, or
are not, loyal to each other. If either Germany or I turn against the
other (or both), then Burgundy is safe. If we both cooperate against you,
then Ruhr displaces Burgundy. In all four cases Picardy supp Burgundy is
meaningless.
You may have something entirely different in mind I suppose, and goodness
knows I am missing a lot of tactics in my present state of mind. However,
unless you change your mind, I will be supporting Belgium from the Channel.
Hmmm. Stay tuned, for I will also give some thought to Nth supp Bel->Hol,
leaving Belgium for you.
Ivy
Message from France to England
Wingo:
If I ordered Bur to Ruh, then I would be ordering Picardy
to Bur. I can't have Munich walking into Burgundy
unopposed and I want to put pressure on Munich, to open
up options for fall.
Perhaps this is too optimistic, but why not at least plan
for possible success.
I will wait to here more from you.
Le DAUPHIN
Message from England to Turkey
Ali,
>If there's anything I can do for you on the diplomatic front, just let me
>know.
Yes. I am trying to warm up to France right now, but he is appropriately
cautious. You can tell him, with whatever sweet words that are at your
disposal, that you would rather he work with England than with Germany.
Why would he do this when an EG alliance might finish me off rather
quickly? For one, Germany is a difficult to work with. Perhaps much more
importantly for you is this: if France fights me, he will be using his
fleets for the job and will not be pressuring Italy for some time. If
France works with me, he can be used against Italy rather quickly.
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
France and I are discussing my upcoming attack on Germany. He, of course
is wary. There is always the possibility that he and Germany will team up
against me instead. I won't know this in advance, but there is an
excellent chance that you will.
A France/Germany attack on England will easily succeed and Germany will
grow even bigger. That can't be very good for you. If France wants
Germany for a partner, then he may not be saying much to you about his
plans. He may be discouraging you from
He's trying to get me to commit to attacking
>Italy, and I refuse to head South while he's in Lvn.
>I suggested GoB C Lvn-Swe this Spring, but he didn't
>like that. We're discussing GoB-Swe, StP-Fin, Lvn-StP
>now. From there he has the option for Swe S StP-Nwy,
>or Swe S StP-Fin to allow me to disband my Fleet,
>build an Army, and send it south, or my moving War-Lvn,
>Ukr-Mos in the Spring, and destroying his Army so that
>he can rebuild it and use the new build against you,
>France, or Italy. He still favors taking StP, though.
Anything that lets Germany attack Norway in the fall without using the
fleet currently in Denmark is very bad for me. If Germany can enter
Den->Nth and still expect to get Belgium and Norway this year, then he has
got *both* of us.
I assume that you are pro-Russia right now, but rather indifferent to what
happens to me in the long run. I think you can serve both of us by telling
France, "Hey, England really is going to do it, isn't he." Both you and I
want a weak Germany right now. In particular, I am trying to avoid France
siding with Germany after my attack on Germany.
You can see what is going on. I think Germany is attacking me. I AM going
to be shifting my fleets toward him.
If some of this is disjointed, it is because I have so much on my mind at
present.
Anyway I am asking two things. (1) Arrange your moves to be consistent
with a three-way war on Germany and do not help Germany this turn. (2)
Help bring in France on our side, not Germany's side.
If Germany is hit from all three sides, he will decline fast enough so that
we will have time to keep Italy under control.
Please fill in the blanks in this disjointed mess of a message.
Ivy
Message from England to Germany
Fredd,
>Nothing much new here. Lots of talk. Nothing that really makes me want
>to switch alliances.
Ditto. Sort of. I am getting the usual volume of mail. France suggests
that I attack you. So does Russia. Every turn, every year.
What is different now is that Turkey is starting to sing the same song. He
wants those French fleets to go into the Med and that is only possible if I
make peace with France.
> Currently I have orders in for RUHR-BUR supported
>by Munich.
As long as you do not favor Eng s Bel->Pic in conjunction with Nth->Bel
(hint, hint), I must enter Nth->Nwg & Eng supp Bel.
Are you still sure that you do not want Nth->Nwy so it can support action
at StP in the fall?
Ivy
Message from Russia to England
Ivy,
Briefly because I'm pressed for time. I want,
in order:
1) Germany out of Russia.
2) A Build or two.
3) Italy weakened, or at least delayed.
Germany wants:
1) A Build.
2) The destruction of F StP/SC.
3) Italy weakened.
France wants:
1) An Ally.
2) The opportunity to grow.
I see EFR vs. G as the best way to accomplish my
goals, and NAO-Nwg, Nth-Nwy, StP/SC-Fin as the
best way to accomplish that. I don't believe
that Germany plans to attack you this turn, based
on what he's said so far, but we're still going
round about StP/GoB/Lvn.
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
> Briefly because I'm pressed for time.
Ditto.
>I see EFR vs. G as the best way to accomplish my
>goals, and NAO-Nwg, Nth-Nwy, StP/SC-Fin as the
>best way to accomplish that.
NAO->Nwg is going to happen. NAO-Nwy is still up in the air. The problem
is that Germany is demanding NAO->Nwg, so I fear and expect
Den->NAO. Unless France protects Belgium for me, I need Eng supp
Bel. Somehow I have to conver the North Sea. Nth->Den will do it. If
Germany is honest with me (doubtful, now. So much has changed), he will
move Den->Bal.
So NAO->Nwy would be nice, but I need help from France. It may or may not
happen. I will try to let you know.
Ivy
Message from England to France
Dauphin,
Russia appears to be moving to Finland. Russia wants Nth->Nwy. Germany
wants Nth->Nwg. I expect what Germany really wants is Den->NAO. If I need
to protect Bel with the Channel, then I cannot afford Nth->Nwy. Nth->Den
seems best then.
Also, Nth supp Bel->Hol is a loser. The expected Den->Nth cuts the
support. Not only would I not get Holland, but Belgium would be lost as well.
>If I ordered Bur to Ruh, then I would be ordering Picardy
>to Bur. I can't have Munich walking into Burgundy
>unopposed and I want to put pressure on Munich, to open
>up options for fall.
Here are some possibilities. (1) Nth->Den; Eng supp Bel; Bel supp
Bur->Ruhr; Pic->Bur (as you suggest above).
(2) Pic supp Bel; Bel supp Bur; Eng->Nth; Nth->Nwy (makes Russia happy and
might clear the Channel)
(3) Nth->Hol; Eng ->Nth; Bel supp Bur->Ruhr; Pic->Bur (Bel is safe with this)
NAO->Nwg is a given in all of this.
I will do as you ask.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
> Yes. I am trying to warm up to France right now, but he is appropriately
> cautious. You can tell him, with whatever sweet words that are at your
> disposal, that you would rather he work with England than with Germany.
Believe me, I am doing my best to do just that.
> Why would he do this when an EG alliance might finish me off rather
> quickly? For one, Germany is a difficult to work with. Perhaps much more
> importantly for you is this: if France fights me, he will be using his
> fleets for the job and will not be pressuring Italy for some time. If
> France works with me, he can be used against Italy rather quickly.
Exactly the arguments I've been making. I will continue my efforts.
Ali
Message from England to Master
An End of Year confession is overdue, but my mind is mostly blank thanks to
the tornado strike on our house and yard. There was little house damage;
extensive yard damage. We lost 21 trees. Fortunately there was less than
$1000 damage to the house.
***************
What I do remember most about the past year is the Italian move that did
not occur. I cleared the Mid Atlantic so that France would get in so that
Italy could slip into Spain. This would have reduced France to four units
and then the rest would have been easy -- in theory.
But Italy lied to me, apparently to cover his lie to Turkey. Now Italy is
sitting pretty, and Turkey, who I thought was the strongest player on the
board, is in real trouble.
Not that I am in any better shape. My overall strategy is more or less
bankrupt, all because I misjudged the German response to London->North Sea
a while back.
Allen
Message from France to England
Wingo:
> I will do as you ask.
OK now, what is going on here? I am getting suspicious
now that you are being too nice :-)
Let me think about it a bit and get back to you.
What is your preference for helping Russia get Sweden
this year? Want to or do not want to?
Le DAUPHIN
Message from England to France
Dauphin,
Nwy supp Fin->Swe is OK with me in the fall, provided (1) Russia can also
hold onto StP and (2) he is willing to help me with Denmark afterwards.
As for (1), I think that this requires that he attempt War->Liv & Ukr->Mos
this spring.
As for (2), recall that long ago I became frustrated when Russia wanted
Denmark while you were supposed to get Belgium. That left me with an
impossibly narrow path between the two of you, and it was one of the major
contributing factors in my pro-German decision.
Remember, I cannot send Nth to Norway unless I have Eng->Nth. And I cannot
do this unless I get protection for Belgium from you.
So, in your decision, you may be pitting best moves for you against best
moves for Russia.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England and France
Gentlemen,
I've now received encouraging press from both of you, indicating that you are
at least exploring the possibilities of cease-fire and cooperation. So, I
write with another installation of "food for thought".
Today's chapter addresses the issue you've both raised: what if I agree to
cease hostilities, and the other guy stabs me? In my view, you've both got a
lot more to lose by making promises and breaking them, than by actually
embracing the EF.
>From England's point of view, stabbing France under a flag of truce would be
madness. At best, it might allow for one sucker-punch, then it's back to the
same old stalemate. Furthermore, I don't think anyone on the board can truly
predict what Germany will do (possibly including the German himself). If
England were to stab France right when Germany stabbed him, the result would
be disastrous.
Conversely, cooperating with France gives England better opportunity for
growth. I have long believed that England's power base is in Scandinavia and
Germany. EF is one of the strongest alliances on the board, and Germany would
not have a chance, especially with Russia kept alive on his flanks. England's
fleets would ensure the day for him in Scandinavia, giving him access to the
Baltic region and the eastern half of the board.
Likewise from France's point of view, a stab would offer little reward. At
most, if he can be sure of the German, he might gain Belgium. But German
armies are massed on the Maginot line, so that isn't very secure for France.
In terms of hurting England, it might eliminate England's army, but that does
nothing to get English fleets out of his face, so it would be a very
short-term gain. And meanwhile, a 600 pound gorilla grows ever stronger at
his backside.
Conversely, by cooperating with England, France can address the growing threat
to his south. France's gain of Munich will mean he can get armies around the
other side of Switzerland, giving him that much better opportunity against
Italy. France need not fear that Turkey will contest him for Italian centers,
since Turkey is (and will remain) feet-weak. But Italy could not withstand
pressure from both sides, if it happens soon, so Italy and the Med would
quickly belong to France.
Finally, you both share a common risk by stabbing, and that is a serious loss
of diplomatic credibility. Certainly, a stab by either of you under the flag
of truce would be a betrayal of Turkey as well as the victim. Such a stab, on
either part, would leave one of two possibilities: either Italy becomes so
strong that he cannot be stopped, or else the victor will need me as an ally
on Italy's other side. Unfortunately, continued EF conflict will mean I'll be
out of the picture, or else too weak to be of any real use, by the time the
conflict ended.
I realize that Rome wasn't built (nor defeated) in a day. My impression from
you both is that you're cautiously exploring the possibilities, but each of
you is worried he'll be betrayed. I truly believe you'd both have more to
lose by stabbing after making promises of cease-fire. And, you've both got a
lot to gain by turning this game on its head and collectively taking control
of the West.
Best regards,
Ali
Message from England to France and Turkey
>Finally, you both share a common risk by stabbing, and that is a serious loss
>of diplomatic credibility.
Sorry, but this one made me laugh. Look what lies and loss of diplomatic
credibility has done for Italy.
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England and France
> >Finally, you both share a common risk by stabbing, and that is a serious
loss
> >of diplomatic credibility.
>
> Sorry, but this one made me laugh. Look what lies and loss of diplomatic
> credibility has done for Italy.
What it benefits Italy in the long run is up to the two of you. If the you
play into his hands by continuing in conflict, then you're right. But if, on
the other hand, you turn things around and join forces, then Italy's betrayals
will ultimately have caused his demise. The choice is yours.
My belief is that one has to be very careful of burning bridges in this game.
My betrayal of Russia was my biggest mistake so far, worse even than
over-trusting Italy. My point is that if either of you promises peace now,
then stabs, there will be very little chance for re-negotiation later.
Ali
Message from Turkey to England
Ivy,
Well at least I can provide entertainment value. ;^)
I realize I may be barking up the wrong tree, so to speak, but I do see EF as
the only thing that can prevent Roberto from running away from the game. And
to the degree that my suggestions may help alleviate French aggression, I
don't see how it can hurt.
Ali
Message from France to England
Wingo:
Bur -> Ruh seems doomed to failure. It might be
important to bounce Ruh -> Mun, but if Germany would
bemaking that order, I doubt he would hit Bel to break
its support for Burgundy. Therefore, Bur should be safe,
if you following through.
Bur -> Ruh only works if Germany orders Ruh -> Bel s by
Hol. Since I have no idea what Germany will actually do,
I am not inclined to waste our joint opportunity costs
elsewhere. In other words the movement of your fleets to
Norway or even Helgoland Bight have a higher probability
of success. :-)
Also, Germany may simply support Ruh from Mun and "offer"
to support me to Belgium. Therefore, Bur -> Ruh is very
unlikely to work.
Therefore, I think it best that we order Pic s Bel, Bel s
Bur, Eng -> Nth, Nth -> ?
I prefer the Bight, it really opens up many options. But
I know that you will need to keep Russia happy so you may
end up in Norway. So the big winner in our truce is....
Russia of course! ;-)
Le DAUPHIN
Message from England to France and Turkey
> > >Finally, you both share a common risk by stabbing, and that is a serious
>loss
> > >of diplomatic credibility.
> >
> > Sorry, but this one made me laugh. Look what lies and loss of diplomatic
> > credibility has done for Italy.
>My belief is that one has to be very careful of burning bridges in this game.
>My betrayal of Russia was my biggest mistake so far, worse even than
>over-trusting Italy. My point is that if either of you promises peace now,
>then stabs, there will be very little chance for re-negotiation later.
Surely you know that my reply was not entirely serious. But, to be serious
now, I suspect that Italy has burned his diplomatic credibility a little
too soon. He has a great position, but it is far from a winning
position. Yet, I can't imagine anyone ever again believing Italy in a
situation in which he has something to gain by lying.
Ivy
Message from England to France
Dauphin,
>Bur -> Ruh seems doomed to failure.
I think so.
> It might be
>important to bounce Ruh -> Mun,
I give Ruh-> Mun about a 40% chance of occurring -- the chance that Germany
does not try to stab on this turn.
>Therefore, I think it best that we order Pic s Bel, Bel s
>Bur, Eng -> Nth, Nth -> ?
>
>I prefer the Bight, it really opens up many options. But
>I know that you will need to keep Russia happy so you may
>end up in Norway. So the big winner in our truce is....
>Russia of course! ;-)
I will strongly consider the Bight. If Russia convinces me that his moves
really will cost Germany a unit if I am in Norway, then I will go
there. Otherwise the Bight. In any event I will inform you. I also have
Bel supp Bur, Eng->Nth, NAO-Nwg, and IRI->?.
Not sure of IRI, either hold or Eng or NAO.
Domestic responsibilities may have me away from the computer for 2-3 hours now.
Ivy
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
I have to choose between Nth->Bight or Nth->Nwy. France prefers the
former, but can live with the latter.
Here is what it comes down to. Do you have a set of moves in mind that
gives you Sweden in addition to keeping StP, i.e. a set of moves that
causes Germany to lose a unit this year? If so, what are they? Will
StP->Fin, War->Liv, Ukr->Mos do the job?
I will look at these moves myself this evening and see if I think they will
work. Without some confidence in those moves or others that you propose,
Nth->Bight looks fairly effective to me.
Also, if you get Sweden, I want your help into Denmark afterwards. Please?
Ivy
Message from Turkey to England and France
> Surely you know that my reply was not entirely serious. But, to be serious
> now, I suspect that Italy has burned his diplomatic credibility a little
> too soon. He has a great position, but it is far from a winning
> position. Yet, I can't imagine anyone ever again believing Italy in a
> situation in which he has something to gain by lying.
Roberto has used his foreknowledge of his ally's moves to make an effective
stab in every year of this game so far, save the first. I'm astonished at how
successful he's been with this approch, but it hasn't left him many active
allies. My hope and belief is that in the long run, this will be his undoing.
But as you point out, it's left him in great position. His stabs certainly
been effective. Eight centers is, of course, never a winning position. But
eight centers without any serious threats or opposition is a pretty good
formula for success. As to whether Roberto will hang on his own diplomatic
rope, well, that's what I'm talking to you guys for!
Regards,
Ali
Message from Russia to England
>Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
>Do you have a set of moves in mind that
>gives you Sweden in addition to keeping StP
>Will StP->Fin, War->Liv, Ukr->Mos do the job?
I believe so. Obviously, it depends on what
Germany does in the Spring, but I ought to be able
to retake StP, and take Swe. I'm making those moves
no matter what you do, since they do let me hold on
to StP, no matter what.
>Also, if you get Sweden, I want your help into Denmark afterwards. Please?
Of course.
Nick.
Message from England to Russia
Nick,
>>Do you have a set of moves in mind that
>>gives you Sweden in addition to keeping StP
>>Will StP->Fin, War->Liv, Ukr->Mos do the job?
>
> I believe so. Obviously, it depends on what
>Germany does in the Spring, but I ought to be able
>to retake StP, and take Swe.
I looked at the position. You obviously get StP back, but wouldn't Den
supp Sweden easily protect Sweden? I am assuming Bothnia->Sweden.
Ivy
Message from France to England
Wingo:
>Not sure of IRI, either hold or Eng or NAO.
This goes without saying. I fully accept that IRI will do some random
defensive thing. That keeps me from trying to sneak by you. But as I
have said, I will remain defensive and not try to take advantage of this
opportunity. But do what you think best with IRI.
As for the decision on Bur -> Ruh, I am glad that we agree. I though
that my reasoning was reasonable, but wanted to hear what you thought.
I look forward to a new relationship with England. For the record, Pic
will support Belgium and no other unit will do anything offensive to
you.
Le DAUPHIN
Message from England to France and Russia
Gentlemen,
Unless persuaded otherwise (before 10pm eastern) I am moving Nth->Norway.
I doubt that we can get Sweden this fall, for it can be protected by
Germany's two fleets, but I may need my fleet to protect Norway if Germany
has units in Sweden and Stp, which seems quite possible.
Ivy
Message from Germany to England
> Are you still sure that you do not want Nth->Nwy so it
> can support action at StP in the fall?
I had thought that we had ruled that out. But you're right it would be
back on the table again. I'll leave that up to you. I can see your
hesitation is moving there as EDI would be wide open.
Interesting enough Ali also mentioned siding with France would allow him
to drop some fleets in the Med. (That is ME sideing with France.)
Every angle is being played here. You'd think something was at stake.
Fredd
Message from England to Germany
Fredd,
>> Are you still sure that you do not want Nth->Nwy so it
>> can support action at StP in the fall?
>
>I had thought that we had ruled that out.
I thought that you had ruled it out because it would be too near Sweden.
>I'll leave that up to you. I can see your
>hesitation is moving there as EDI would be wide open.
Thanks for reminding me. Nevertheless, I'll think about changing it to
Nwy. Given my position and lack of progress, I don't think I have much to
lose by trusting you all the way. So, it's a maybe.
You haven't mentioned the possible NEED for assistance from Norway. Russia
can bring three units to bear on StP in the fall, even if you get in in the
spring. Unfortunately, I have absolutely no idea what he is doing this
time. He may send something toward Sevastopol (which I think Turkey is
vacating) or toward Silesia to threaten Berlin or Munich.
>Interesting enough Ali also mentioned siding with France would allow him
>to drop some fleets in the Med. (That is ME sideing with France.)
8-)
>Every angle is being played here. You'd think something was at stake.
Italy did a great job on Turkey. He should get some kind of tournament
award. Turkey went from the top position in the game to endangered in one
turn.
I can check my e-mail until about 10pm eastern.
Ivy
Message from France to England and Russia
Czar Nicholas & Ivy Wingo:
France has agreed to the moves proposed by England, at least in the
west. We do not know the exact details of those in the East. My only
comment is that let's not let Germany grow if we can help it.
Best of luck to us all.
Le DAUPHIN
Message from France to all
>DATELINE: CONSTANTINOPLE
>After years of political crisis, the Turkish government
>has finally collapsed, ...etc.
This Ali Baba person seems like he needs to clean up his act. My
brothers tell me not to believe everything I read, especially when the
sources are not revealled. But really, drunken and drugged, what a
horrible waste of a life! He needs a good woman to straighten him out.
I hope that the Italians can help him out. But if not...we do have a
cousin....She is a bit homely, but would make a good housewife and is
not afraid to lash out with her tongue... If Ali surfaces, let us know.
Josephine Boar
French Department of Manners, Ettiquette, Respect, Decency and Ethics
Message [from France] to all
>Diplomacy game 'titleist' is waiting for some power's orders.
>Diplomacy game 'titleist' is waiting for some power's orders.
What is this a novice game?
I hope that I remembered to make this a grey broadcast this time
England
Message [from France] to all
>What is this a novice game?
Hey, what is going on here?
I know that the deadline said Friday, but I figured that it meant next
Tuesday!
France
Message [from Russia] to all
> Broadcast message in 'titleist':
>
> >Diplomacy game 'titleist' is waiting for some power's orders.
> >Diplomacy game 'titleist' is waiting for some power's orders.
> What is this a novice game?
Sorry, I came down with a case of (what is known in polite circles as)
"stomach flu", orders going in now.
Russia
Message from Russia to England
> Message from England to Russia in 'titleist':
> >>Do you have a set of moves in mind that
> >>gives you Sweden in addition to keeping StP
> >>Will StP->Fin, War->Liv, Ukr->Mos do the job?
> >
> > I believe so. Obviously, it depends on what
> >Germany does in the Spring, but I ought to be able
> >to retake StP, and take Swe.
>
> I looked at the position. You obviously get StP back, but wouldn't Den
> supp Sweden easily protect Sweden? I am assuming Bothnia->Sweden.
I don't see Germany ordering Den-Nth, since he has refused to commit
to taking Nwy in the Fall, so if you order Eng-Nth, and then Nth-Den to cut
support, Swe falls.
Nick.
England: Army Belgium SUPPORT French Army Burgundy (*cut*)
England: Fleet English Channel → North Sea (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Irish Sea HOLD
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean → Norwegian Sea
England: Fleet North Sea → Norway
France: Fleet Brest SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Picardy
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean HOLD
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT English Army Belgium
France: Fleet Portugal SUPPORT Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Germany: Fleet Denmark → North Sea (*bounce*)
Germany: Fleet Gulf of Bothnia → St Petersburg (south coast)
Germany: Army Holland → Belgium (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Livonia → Moscow (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Munich → Tyrolia
Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Holland → Belgium
Italy: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Fleet Greece → Bulgaria (south coast) (*cut*)
Italy: Fleet Greece → Bulgaria (south coast) (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
Italy: Army Serbia → Rumania (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Trieste → Budapest
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste
Italy: Army Vienna SUPPORT Army Trieste → Budapest
Italy: Fleet Western Mediterranean → Tyrrhenian Sea
Russia: Fleet St Petersburg (south coast) → Finland
Russia: Army Ukraine → Moscow (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Warsaw → Livonia (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Armenia → Ankara
Turkey: Army Budapest → Serbia (*bounce, dislodged*)
Turkey: Fleet Bulgaria (east coast) → Black Sea
Turkey: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Rumania → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Rumania → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Sevastopol → Rumania (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna → Aegean Sea (*bounce*)
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