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Message from England to France
Erik -
Ok, so far, so good.
How do you want to proceed? I am toying with shooting for DEN and NWY this
year - possibly costing me BER.
Next year hopefully I will have my army in KIE.
Let me know if you have any suggestions, & I'd be glad to be a sounding
board for whatever's on your mind. BEL - RUH, would be my guess. . .
Ben
Message from Turkey to England
Good luck up there. Unfortunately, Austria's support for Russia really
threw him a big lead, with a 2 center swing. I'm working with Italy now,
but the momentum is clearly in his favor.
jason
Message from Italy to England and France
Gentlemen,
I cannot describe how important it is for the 2 of you to do 3 things;
1. Work together
2. Take some Russian dots.
3. Not attack me.
If you attack me at this point, Russia gets all of Turkey and all of the
Balkans.
If you dont start taking some of his dots, it wont matter.
You guys are working at a glacial pace, please pick it up.
If you need anything from me, please speak up, I will give tactical advice
if asked.
Andy
Every normal man must be tempted, at times
to spit on his hands, hoist the skull and
crossbones, and begin slitting throats"
- H.L.Menken
Message from England to France and Italy
> 1. Work together
Ok.
> 2. Take some Russian dots.
Ok.
> 3. Not attack me.
Ok.
> If you dont start taking some of his dots,
> it wont matter.
Ok. I'm doing it, starting this year.
> You guys are working at a glacial pace,
> please pick it up.
Ok, ok.
> If you need anything from me, please speak
> up, I will give tactical advice if asked.
I know we've discussed it privately, but tactical advice for myself & the
team is always welcome.
Ben
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Good luck up there. Unfortunately,
> Austria's support for Russia really
> threw him a big lead, with a 2 center
> swing. I'm working with Italy now,
> but the momentum is clearly in his favor.
I may lose BER and/or KIE, but I should be able to seal the gate in the
north.
I am glad to hear you are working with Italy.
Ben
Message from Italy to England and France
> I know we've discussed it privately, but tactical advice for myself & the
> team is always welcome.
>
This is a spring turn.
I think we have to take a couple of chances.
NAO - NWG
NTH c EDI - HOL
KIE - DEN
SKA s KIE - DEN
BER - BAL
Odds say he wont attack both Ber and Kie, he will position into Pru
though, my suspition is by moving Boh - Sil and Sil - Pru, WAR wont move
with that army in GAL.
France...
Bur - Ruh
Par - Bur
Bel s Par - Bur
What to do withthese fleets is a ?
You really do need another army, but moving a fleet somewhere to dislodge
and disband it is going to be really tough.
What do you suggest.
Andy
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
> NAO - NWG
> NTH c EDI - HOL
> KIE - DEN
> SKA s KIE - DEN
> BER - BAL
I had been troubled by how to deal with a possible F HEL. This is an
elegant solution.
> Odds say he wont attack both Ber and Kie, he will position into Pru
> though, my suspition is by moving Boh - Sil and Sil - Pru,
> WAR wont move with that army in GAL.
Looks good to me. Sets up for a nice follow up in the fall. . .
> You really do need another army, but moving a fleet somewhere
> to dislodge and disband it is going to be really tough.
>
> What do you suggest.
Your proposal is better. My ideas involved trying to put the army in
Scandinavia - DEN or NWY - which would have left the Russian F DEN a
problem.
Ben
Message from Italy to England and France
> > You really do need another army, but moving a fleet somewhere
> > to dislodge and disband it is going to be really tough.
> >
> > What do you suggest.
This is directed to Erik.
He has 3 fleets that he is doing nothing with. And 2 can amply protect
hiscountry
Message from Austria to England
Ben,
Can you tell me what I'm looking at? While I have been
trying to survive between Andy & Eric, I have seen you
attack France while you told me that you would take
care of Russia then take out Germany with Russia's help.
Philippe
Message from England to Austria
Philippe -
> Can you tell me what I'm looking at? While I have been
> trying to survive between Andy & Eric, I have seen you
> attack France while you told me that you would take
> care of Russia then take out Germany with Russia's help.
Sure. I needed a build. I was completely unsure of Germany, you remember
his broadcast about rolling dice, and I was reasonably certain Russia would
order the supports he'd promised.
So the *only* way I calculated I could get a build - finally, an army - was
to accept the offered Russian supports that meant the end of Germany.
I do not know what you or the other players, or the members of the gallery
would have done. No doubt my inexperience has them ridiculing me enough
already.
But you ask why I did it - that's why.
Now I can attack Russia.
Ben
Message from Austria to England
> But you ask why I did it - that's why.
I must say that until your behaviour stopped matching your
press to me, I had rely on you alot and I suddenly felt very
lonely when you started acting strangely. In the end, I figure
you didn't want me in on your grand plan and I stopped
writing to you instead of having you lie to me.
Now that I know what you really want to do, I wonder
what's going to happen with Erik? I really need a break
and would appreciate seeing him move against Andy, but
he's just sitting there and if there isn't a real peace between
you two, I fear he might go after you instead.
Philippe
Message from England to Austria
Philippe -
> > But you ask why I did it - that's why.
>
> I must say that until your behaviour stopped matching your
> press to me, I had rely on you alot and I suddenly felt very
> lonely when you started acting strangely. In the end, I figure
> you didn't want me in on your grand plan and I stopped
> writing to you instead of having you lie to me.
:-) My grand plan was to stave off an FR squeeze, which was very nearly a
reality for quite a long time. That threat has, I think, finally passed.
> Now that I know what you really want to do, I wonder
> what's going to happen with Erik? I really need a break
> and would appreciate seeing him move against Andy, but
> he's just sitting there and if there isn't a real peace between
> you two, I fear he might go after you instead.
Well, as far as I can tell, right now I am the *only* power who really *can*
throw the game to Russia, so I don't think it is likely he will attack me.
If you agree with this analysis and care to rewrite in a press to him, it
would not hurt. For now I would not be surprised to see his fleets stay on
shore leave for awhile, while his armies try to creep through the German
centers.
No hard feelings for working on Russia's behalf - when the time comes for me
to ask you to do something, I will let you know.
Good luck.
Ben
Message from Austria to England
> :-) My grand plan was to stave off an FR squeeze, which was very nearly a
> reality for quite a long time. That threat has, I think, finally passed.
Given my position, it's funny to see you talked about fearing an FR squeeze ;-)
> Well, as far as I can tell, right now I am the *only* power who really *can*
> throw the game to Russia, so I don't think it is likely he will attack me.
> If you agree with this analysis and care to rewrite in a press to him, it
> would not hurt. For now I would not be surprised to see his fleets stay on
> shore leave for awhile, while his armies try to creep through the German
> centers.
>
> No hard feelings for working on Russia's behalf - when the time comes for me
> to ask you to do something, I will let you know.
>
> Good luck.
OK. Good luck to you too,
Philippe
Message from France to England and Italy
Sorry, just catching up. Are you suggesting that I sswing a fleet up
north to help out? I'm perfectly willing to do so, but don't want to
unless I'm invited.
Bur can pop Munich, though not to much avail. Andy, can you try for
Tyrolia again?
Erik
Message from Italy to England and France
> Sorry, just catching up. Are you suggesting that I sswing a fleet up
> north to help out? I'm perfectly willing to do so, but don't want to
> unless I'm invited.
That is up to Ben, but you REALLY need to pop a fleet and build an army.
Or get a build and build an army...which isnt easy at all right nwo.
> Bur can pop Munich, though not to much avail. Andy, can you try for
> Tyrolia again?
I am going to Tyrolia
Andy
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
> > Sorry, just catching up. Are you suggesting that I sswing a fleet up
> > north to help out? I'm perfectly willing to do so, but don't want to
> > unless I'm invited.
>
> That is up to Ben, but you REALLY need to pop a fleet and
> build an army.
>
> Or get a build and build an army...which isnt easy at all right nwo.
>
> > Bur can pop Munich, though not to much avail. Andy, can you try for
> > Tyrolia again?
>
> I am going to Tyrolia
Ok, this is a good plan. Orders will reflect it.
Erik, I don't really need a French fleet - fleets I have plenty. I don't
think you need another army *right now*, though in time you will; perhaps we
could hold off on this decision to see if we get a better chance down the
road. For now the fleet is effective defense should Andy or I attack you,
right where it is.
Ben
Message from Russia to England
Ben,
Ugh. I'm turning into a nopress player.
I'm devastated to have missed the "I don't even exercise" line. Must be the
Iocane powder affecting my brain.
In short, I'd prefer a method of you taking Den that leaves my fleet alive
but contained (behind Scandinavia), leaves you sufficient forces to defend
your position, but leaves most of your forces active in the west and away
from me. I don't know if that meets your desires, and doubt it does in the
short term even if it's acceptable for the long term.
My general plan at this point is to give you enough room to bolster your
forces and hopefully turn against France. I am reasonably certain that Erik
will give you room to attack me for a season or so, while he tries to make
gains off of Italy, but EIF fighting is very likely. When push comes to
shove, France holding Tunis is really bad for me long term if he also gets
you eliminated, hence the thinking to make quick gains for you to ensure you
don't get trambled if it comes to that. I just want to do it in such a way
that I'm not setting up for a major anti-R campaign.
That's pretty vague, I know. I don't need to try to take either of your
German centers back, and I'm happy to cede Scandinavian territory, though
I'll still try to keep enough forces between you and the Motherland to make a
true invasion difficult. But I'm not sure what to ask of you without knowing
the answer to the original question I asked, which is are you now thinking
StL or CtL (contain the leader), and how quickly might you move on France.
I'll be watching where A Edi goes, but frankly either likely destination
could still be nasty for me, so it's the Fall moves I'll be watching for.
--- Eric
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
Taking your recommendations/wishes under advisement - I think you will be
pleased with my moves, as I try to thread this tricky needle.
In other words:
as you wish.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
Andy's suggestion for my moves made alot of sense - that's what I'm doing.
Ben
Message from England to England
Well, my apologies to the gallery for my dilatory journal entry.
I suspect most of the other powers are worse than I am about the journal,
perhaps all of them, now that Tony is gone. I cannot fathom how someone in
so many games can, from time to time, send out such substantial presses.
Speaking of Tony -
Greg, I have a thought about the format, which is that once an eliminated
player joins the gallery, he resign from the game, so the players know (a)
they can no longer correspond with him, and (b) the other players can no
longer correspond with him either.
More about Tony -
I was struck when Tony recently posted to the VG that he is struggling
against newbies in some of his games.
I am not at all surprised. He is clearly playing several levels beyond me
in sophistication but his style, which can be abrasive at times, makes it
easy for a kind novice like myself to befriend France, played by another
relative newcomer. I do not think Andy's warnings about Tony changed the
course of the EF v G, though they certainly made *my* choice easy. All I
wanted was one partner or the other, and Andy's warnings gave me plenty of
ammunition to pursue the EF. But in the end, I suspect Tony's forward,
abrasive style, would have so irritated Erik that there would have been an
EF anyway. Witness Comments, in which Erik was noticeably sensitive to the
personalities at the helms of the powers around him.
I am relieved finally to look at the long range picture again, and find it
is not *too* different from what I had wanted earlier. Which is to say,
enough inroads into Russia to provide me the builds I will need to take out
France.
The key will be, will Eric collapse in the south. If yes, so much the
better, but if not, I am in a secure place for the draw, if it comes to
that. To solo I still imagine I will have to penetrate the Russian centers
- MOS and/or WAR. I do not see myself entering the Med against Italy, who
looks to be around for awhile, now that he is bounded by friendly faces in
T and F.
Ben
Austria: Army Trieste → Budapest
Austria: Army Vienna SUPPORT Army Trieste → Budapest
England: Fleet Berlin → Baltic Sea (*bounce*)
England: Army Edinburgh → North Sea → Holland
England: Fleet Kiel → Denmark
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean → Norwegian Sea
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Edinburgh → Holland
England: Fleet Skagerrak SUPPORT Fleet Kiel → Denmark
France: Army Belgium HOLD
France: Army Burgundy → Marseilles
France: Fleet Marseilles → Gulf of Lyon
France: Army Paris → Burgundy
France: Fleet Portugal → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) → Western Mediterranean
Italy: Fleet Adriatic Sea SUPPORT Army Venice → Trieste
Italy: Fleet Albania SUPPORT Army Venice → Trieste
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Greece
Italy: Army Piedmont → Tyrolia (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste
Russia: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Munich → Tyrolia
Russia: Fleet Denmark → Baltic Sea (*bounce, dislodged*)
Russia: Army Munich → Tyrolia
Russia: Fleet Rumania → Sevastopol
Russia: Army Serbia → Rumania (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Armenia
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Warsaw → Galicia
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Norway
Russia: Army Sweden SUPPORT Army St Petersburg → Norway
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Army Serbia → Rumania
Russia: Army Warsaw → Galicia
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea → Constantinople
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Galicia → Rumania
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Galicia → Rumania
Turkey: Army Galicia → Rumania
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