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Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> Well, that did not go *at all* according to plan. I mean, it was good for
me
> and all, but I fully expected to end up even in centers (Ion-Gre and Ven
H or
> Rom-Ven were my expectation). That makes 2-way discussions a bit more
risky.
Well, it's still manageable. It's a question of, can you accept the loss of
STP. If that will not be something you can tolerate, then I will shoot for
the 3 way for now. I don't see a solo for me, which is not a surprise,
considering various things I've done poorly, but as I said, a 3 way is fine
for me.
Anyway, you quick growth in the south is not a problem for me /unless/ you
have dots on the far side of the stalemate line, which STP is. So can you
swap it to me, in a way that you can stomach it?
> Though for all I know Andy is going to want to try to help you solo now,
so
> maybe they're as risky for me as they are for you. I hope at least that my
> not moving to Fin helps you maintain some level of comfort that I'm still
> trying to stay in line with you.
Absolutely. Also I appreciate that you have not surrounded BER.
Also concerning Andy - he will not be eliminated without threatening to
throw solos to everyone, whether he can manage it or not.
> What's your thinking at this point?
That's about it.
It's excellent to hear from you.
Ben
Message from Russia to England
>It's a question of, can you accept the loss of STP. If that will not be
>something you can tolerate, then I will shoot for
>the 3 way for now.
My honest answer is that for now I'll try to hold onto StP and see if I
can't take advantage of Andy's misstep. If that becomes clearly unworkable
(which I think is likely), then I can easily hand over StP and we can go
back to the 2way plan. It just seems somehow wrong not to at least *try* to
take advantage of the position I picked up, even if it hurts my position in
the end (by turning a 2way into a 3way, or the outside chance of an E solo,
if we can't work things out).
>I don't see a solo for me, which is not a surprise,
Agreed it's unlikely, but it depends on how Andy and Erik respond to the
situation.
>considering various things I've done poorly, but as I said, a 3 way is
>fine for me.
I understand the thought. There is much wet noodling (as in 50-lashes with
one) in my press to self as well, and it feels like there are many more
good moves discussed in my press than showed up in the game. I feel VERY
lucky to have ended up with such a strong position, and there are
reasonable arguments that a really good player in my position would have
soloed several seasons ago.
>Anyway, you quick growth in the south is not a problem for me /unless/ you
>have dots on the far side of the stalemate line, which STP is. So can you
>swap it to me, in a way that you can stomach it?
See above. Yes, but not just yet.
> > I hope at least that my
> > not moving to Fin helps you maintain some level of comfort that I'm still
> > trying to stay in line with you.
>Absolutely. Also I appreciate that you have not surrounded BER.
Yeah. I thought you might like that, too. :)
>Also concerning Andy - he will not be eliminated without threatening to
>throw solos to everyone, whether he can manage it or not.
Well, you are the only one left he shouldn't hate any more, so I suspect
he'll be trying to throw to you, whether successful or not.
>It's excellent to hear from you.
It was nice to get a chance to write a "real" round of press for once. I'll
be busy again the next few days, but I thought I'd take advantage of the
time I had today.
Hope all's going well. Did you guys pick up Owens yet, or is that still
being debated?
--- Eric
Message from Italy to England and France
Gentlemen,
What say you??
How do you want to do this.
Andy
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
I am now thinking the convoy won't work as the priority will be getting a
fleet into BOT without moving BAL. The fleets will have to be moving. So
if I don't do the convoy I will move BRE - GAS, which will still allow
Erik's entry into BRE.
Thoughts?
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> >It's a question of, can you accept the loss of STP. If that will not be
> >something you can tolerate, then I will shoot for
> >the 3 way for now.
>
> My honest answer is that for now I'll try to hold onto StP and see if I
> can't take advantage of Andy's misstep. If that becomes clearly unworkable
> (which I think is likely), then I can easily hand over StP and we can go
> back to the 2way plan. It just seems somehow wrong not to at least *try*
to
> take advantage of the position I picked up, even if it hurts my position
in
> the end (by turning a 2way into a 3way, or the outside chance of an E
solo,
> if we can't work things out).
100% understandable.
[significant snippage]
> Hope all's going well. Did you guys pick up Owens yet, or is that still
> being debated?
Good riddance. Though I can't understand why we didn't have the rights to
him - by all accounts the arbiter was prepared to give him his free agency.
Odd.
Ben
Message from Italy to England and France
>
> Gentlemen -
> I am now thinking the convoy won't work as the priority will be getting a
> fleet into BOT without moving BAL.
Help me out here....WHY?
The fleets will have to be moving. So
> if I don't do the convoy I will move BRE - GAS, which will still allow
> Erik's entry into BRE.
No.....
Im not sure what your exact concern is, but allow me to attempt to address
it.
Munich will not be moving. I can basically guarantee it.
F BAR - STP(NC)
A NWY - FIN
F NTH - NWY
F BAL c A KIE - PRU
F BER s A KIE - PRU
A RUH - KIE
A BEL - RUH
A BRE - ENG - BEL
F ENG c A BRE - BEL
F MAO - NAO
A PIC - BUR
A PAR - BRE
F TUN - ION
F WES - TYS
F SPA(SC) - LYO
F ION - ADR
A PIE - TUS
A APU - ROM
Untangles us, and gets your units moving in the right direction
And gives a fail-safe if stuff gets bounced.
Andy
Message from France to England
Fleets, I know. Fleet, army, whatever, I need another southern build to
hold up any Italian collapse. I don't know that Andy's going to do any
throwing, but we can count on him trying to make himself invaluable. The
more fleets I can put south, the better our ability to handle any sudden
Italian throw / stumble. And I think that we can agree that Andy's centers
are what stand between Russia and his solo.
So, the move from Bre would be great. Gas I don't necessarily have an issue
with, but I do like Andy's suggestions in general.
Erik
Message from France to England and Italy
> Munich will not be moving. I can basically guarantee it.
>
> F BAR - STP(NC)
> A NWY - FIN
> F NTH - NWY
> F BAL c A KIE - PRU
> F BER s A KIE - PRU
> A RUH - KIE
> A BEL - RUH
> A BRE - ENG - BEL
> F ENG c A BRE - BEL
> F MAO - NAO
>
>
> A PIC - BUR
> A PAR - BRE
> F TUN - ION
> F WES - TYS
> F SPA(SC) - LYO
>
> F ION - ADR
> A PIE - TUS
> A APU - ROM
>
> Untangles us, and gets your units moving in the right direction
> And gives a fail-safe if stuff gets bounced.
>
I am generally in agreement with Andy on this set of moves, though I am
curious why Mun won't be moving anywhere (if you have some line on it that
we don't). I expect Ion to bounce, but that's as good as having a unit
there. Once-space extension of power.
Obviously, I'm exposing Por and Spa to Ben here, but I think we can agree
that any move on those can guarantee a Russian solo. I need to be able to
move fleets, fleets, fleets far and fast.
Erik
Message from Italy to England and France
> I am generally in agreement with Andy on this set of moves, though I am
> curious why Mun won't be moving anywhere (if you have some line on it that
> we don't). I expect Ion to bounce, but that's as good as having a unit
> there. Once-space extension of power.
Its spring.
It is my feeling that it will not more...he needs to have a supported
attack behind the move and that would mean moving Tyrolia into Munich
and risking me sliding into Tyrolia behind him, with all that open space
between me and the turkish border, the last thing in the world he wants
is for me to be in Tyrolia, which means I should likely go there. his
only real options for moves are as follows...
Mun - Bur Maybe...but not likely
Mun - Kie Even less likely, its not supported and surrounded.
Mun - Ber Maybe, but doubtful because of the Tyrolia issue...
Let me look at this, you make a good point.
> Obviously, I'm exposing Por and Spa to Ben here, but I think we can agree
> that any move on those can guarantee a Russian solo. I need to be able to
> move fleets, fleets, fleets far and fast.
>
Yes.
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
I have not studied the proposal as a whole but it is my guess a move to FIN will bounce, this spring, based on my correspondence with Eric.
I'm working tonight - I'll be up all night.
Ben
Message from Italy to England and France
Ben,
> I have not studied the proposal as a whole but it is my guess a move to
FIN will bounce, this spring, based on my correspondence with Eric.
How convinced of this are you?
> I'm working tonight - I'll be up all night.
And its early we could get alot done.
Andy
Message from Italy to England and France
Fellas,
Ben seems pretty convinced that Eric is going to go to Finland, the only
way he can both move to Finland and bounce an attack on STP is by moving
LVN - STP supported by MOS.
so lets revisit.
F MAO - NAO
F ENG c A BRE - NWY
F NTH c A BRE - NWY
A BRE - ENG - NTH - NWY
A BEL - HOL
A RUH - MUN
A NWY - SWE
F BAR s A BRE - NWY
A KIE - BAL - LVN
F BAL c A KIE - LVN
F BER h
A PIC - BUR
A PAR - BRE
F TUN - ION
F WES - TYS
F SPA(SC) - LYO
A PIE - TYR
A APU - ROM
F ION - ADR
Message from England to France and Italy
>> I have not studied the proposal as a whole but it is my guess a move to
>> FIN will bounce, this spring, based on my correspondence with Eric.
> How convinced of this are you?
60/40 in favor. He basically told me he's not going to give it up without a
fight.
I didn't tell him I'm coming for it - but I didn't exactly deny it, either.
Ben
Message from England to France and Italy
Andy -
> > I am now thinking the convoy won't work as the priority
> > will be getting a fleet into BOT without moving BAL.
> Help me out here....WHY?
Eric's play against me to this point has not been particularly aggressive.
I think that is going to change as of this coming phase.
> Im not sure what your exact concern is,
That's it. I am reasonably confident of STP - FIN and would not be
surprised to see MUN - BER, though I am prepared to gamble against that; the
convoy to PRU seems to be enough of a payoff.
> Munich will not be moving. I can basically guarantee it.
Your analysis on this point - later press; I won't repeat it - is
persuasive.
Ben
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
I've had problems with the Judge - Erik, I've been writing you with Andy in
all communication.
> so lets revisit.
This looks fine with me.
Ben
Message from France to England and Italy
>
> so lets revisit.
>
> F MAO - NAO
> F ENG c A BRE - NWY
> F NTH c A BRE - NWY
> A BRE - ENG - NTH - NWY
> A BEL - HOL
> A RUH - MUN
> A NWY - SWE
> F BAR s A BRE - NWY
> A KIE - BAL - LVN
> F BAL c A KIE - LVN
> F BER h
>
> A PIC - BUR
> A PAR - BRE
> F TUN - ION
> F WES - TYS
> F SPA(SC) - LYO
>
>
> A PIE - TYR
> A APU - ROM
> F ION - ADR
Looks good in general, but what about ruhr - kiel, bel - ruhr? Might be
good to have as many units as possible sitting on Munich for the fall.
Erik
Message from Italy to England and France
> > F MAO - NAO
> > F ENG c A BRE - NWY
> > F NTH c A BRE - NWY
> > A BRE - ENG - NTH - NWY
> > A BEL - HOL
> > A RUH - MUN
> > A NWY - SWE
> > F BAR s A BRE - NWY
> > A KIE - BAL - LVN
> > F BAL c A KIE - LVN
> > F BER h
> >
> > A PIC - BUR
> > A PAR - BRE
> > F TUN - ION
> > F WES - TYS
> > F SPA(SC) - LYO
> >
> >
> > A PIE - TYR
> > A APU - ROM
> > F ION - ADR
>
> Looks good in general, but what about ruhr - kiel, bel - ruhr? Might be
> good to have as many units as possible sitting on Munich for the fall.
That isnt a bad change.
Your call Ben. I think they are both equally strong.
Andy
Message from England to France and Italy
> Your call Ben.
I need to tap MUN (from RUH) to protect BER.
Ben
Message from France to England and Italy
Orders are in. I will be away this weekend starting now, but I will check
e-mail intermittantly.
Erik
Message from Italy to England and France
Have a good weekend.
>
> Orders are in. I will be away this weekend starting now, but I will check
> e-mail intermittantly.
>
Message from England to France and Italy
Erik -
> Have a good weekend.
>
> > Orders are in. I will be away this weekend starting now, but I will
> > check e-mail intermittantly.
Not missing much so far. . .
;-)
Ben
England: Fleet Baltic Sea CONVOY Army Kiel → Livonia
England: Fleet Barents Sea SUPPORT Army Brest → Norway
England: Army Belgium → Holland
England: Fleet Berlin HOLD (*dislodged*)
England: Army Brest → English Channel → North Sea → Norway
England: Fleet English Channel CONVOY Army Brest → Norway
England: Army Kiel → Baltic Sea → Livonia
England: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → North Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Brest → Norway
England: Army Norway → Sweden
England: Army Ruhr → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Army Paris → Brest
France: Army Picardy → Burgundy
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) → Gulf of Lyon
France: Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean → Tyrrhenian Sea
Italy: Army Apulia → Rome
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Adriatic Sea
Italy: Army Piedmont → Tyrolia
Russia: Fleet Aegean Sea → Ionian Sea (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Ankara → Constantinople
Russia: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Fleet Constantinople → Bulgaria (south coast)
Russia: Army Greece → Albania
Russia: Army Livonia → St Petersburg
Russia: Army Moscow SUPPORT Army Livonia → St Petersburg
Russia: Army Munich → Berlin
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Black Sea
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Munich → Berlin
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Finland
Russia: Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Army Venice HOLD
Russia: Army Warsaw → Prussia
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna → Eastern Mediterranean
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