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Austria: Removes 1 unit
France: Removes 1 unit
Russia: Builds 2 units
Turkey: Builds 1 unit
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
I accidently deleted your last message.
I had assumed it was a freebee as well, until;
Eric sent me an odd message complaining about Jason's moves
as being not as planned.
And Jason told me before that he was going to force it, then walked in...
but told me that he and Eric were supposed to DMZ it.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Eric sent me an odd message complaining about Jason's moves
> as being not as planned.
> And Jason told me before that he was going to force it, then walked in...
> but told me that he and Eric were supposed to DMZ it.
Jason told me he was owed RUM as part of negotiations and would collect.
If it had been hostile there would have been support from SER. Which isn't
to say there *won't* be conflict there soon - I just don't think we've seen
it yet.
Why would Eric keep the fleet? I thought that was odd.
No rush.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
Two responses for the price of one:
> I don't see how I could possibly trust you to work with me
I 100% understand this sentiment. I would no doubt feel the same in your
shoes.
But I am not in your shoes, I am in my own, and I would encourage you to
look at the map as I see it - my fleet in MAO is useless against you, and
ENG is vacant. We can decide how we want to play it, we have choices, but
as a practical matter I *can't* attack you. So you are angry at me, good
lord you should be. But you do not have to *trust* me right now - that can
come later - right now you only have to trust that I will do the sensible
thing and line up against the leader.
> I mean, really, why should I work with you? You've
> proven that you carry grudges an inordinate amount of time,
Hm. Ok, I admit it.
> you're easily manipulated by other nations,
Well, I resent "easily." But I'll admit I've been manipulated here, by
Eric.
> you're willing to ignore a serious solo
> threat for your own personal gain,
Part and parcel with being manipulated by Eric. This is where you and I
have each been victimized.
> and you are not able to resist grabbing
> my centers no matter what the long-term cost.
I repent! This one I won't do anymore!
> Hey, I know I placed a fleet
> in Iri for a little opportunistic bloodletting,
Yes, and in your first presses afterward you also lied about it. You live
in a glass house, as do we all.
> but when I saw that it was
> a bad move in the long-term, I pulled way back.
You set an example I intend to follow.
> I do not believe you are
> capable of doing the same. You are clearly going to be a threat to me for
> as long as I remain in the game.
Do you really think I'm some kind of sicko who would rather play to
eliminate you, than try to survive? I deny this charge.
> Because of you, I've lost two centers, lost any chance of peace with the
> Italian and I look like a fool in front of all the other powers.
Andy does not want "peace," he wants what's in his best interest. He will
have a tough time pressing against you, and soon enough circumstances will
force him to turn around.
> Frankly,
> at this point, I think Eric pretty much deserves the solo, and I'm still
> angry enough to do what I can to hand it to him -- my chances of even
> drawing are gone, thanks to your moves. Maybe I'll change my mind in the
> next few days.
I hope so. Think about it - it is pretty early to start talking about
throwing the game, I think.
> Vacate Bel and/or Hol, and I might change my mind. That's about the only
> thing I can think of at this point.
I intend to work with you and/or Germany to pin back the Russian. That is
priority #1. I have none - zero - attachment to any particular dot, but
before we get into tactics, let's see the builds.
> I'll still listen to your reasoning, though, so feel free to try to
> convince me otherwise.
I'm working on it.
On to letter #2:
> Since we clearly have much discussion, I should tell you that I will be
> retreating to Pic. That doesn't necessarily mean I'll keep it there (I
> have a disband coming), but since you're pretty high on my sh*tlist right
> now, I'd like to keep my options open. Just thought I'd warn you ahead of
> time.
You don't have to! I *asked* you to keep that army! I am aware I am on
your shotlist - the * is for o, right? - but as dangerous as that army is,
I *want* you to have it, because it will be crucial for stopping the R(g).
I think Tony might want to work with us but that's something we will have
to think about carefully, as he is a cunning little sh*t.
> Enjoy the lump of coal I've had special delivered to your stocking ;).
Good lord. Another one?!
I want to conclude by quoting myself - this is from the first press I sent
you today:
> Message from BHarris@StAttorney.org as England to France in 'c2':
>
> Erik -
> [major snip]
>
> Ben
>
> p.s. Retreat the army - do not disband it - we will need it to deal with
> the German centers. And I say this, absolutely aware that you could use it
> to hurt me. But there is a higher cause right now, and that is, that we
> play well, and not embarass ourselves any further in front of the gallery.
As you can see, I am prepared to take risks to work with you, even after I
have every reason to be afraid of your counter-stroke. Because we do not
play to lose.
Ben
Message from Russia to all
I'd like to add my best wishes to those that others have sent around.
--- Eric
P.S. Sorry this is coming so late, but it was a busy day. I had to organize
all the animal entrails, clean out the sacrificial pit, get my horns buffed
-- it was just non-stop crazy.
Message from Russia to England
Ben,
First off: I love your press. By far the most enjoyable part of this game
for me.
>You write this as if we are now locked into our courses. I do not think
>/you/ think that way; I know *I* don't.
You are completely correct, I am not wedded to any path. But I didn't want
to be unreasonably optimistic either.
>Consider whether you want to dominate the North and the Austrian home
>centers simultaneously. You will be the early leader and there will be no
>solo for you - trust me, I've tried (zulu on ustx - just finished). I
>continue to be no threat to you, though as you commented yourself, beyond
>DEN there's just not much there for you. More profitable would be the
>German centers first, I would think. . .
Well, that was not what I was going for. My moves were based on an
optimistic (yet -- I thought -- not totally unrealistic) set of
expectations that did not come to pass. You'll be able to see some of the
details when you look at the press log, and you can ask me about it if you
still have questions from then.
>If you build in the north you will be facing - my guess - an EIT. If you
>do not threaten me with a northern build then you will be free to operate
>without the early leader albatross around your neck.
But the more meaty question is: where does it leave us? Is me not pushing
forward good enough to mend fences? That still sounds along the lines of
the unreasonably optimistic that I referred to above.
I should be around most of the week, so no rush to respond if you're
engrossed in the holidays (which you should be!)
--- Eric
P.S. I was going to say something in my broadcast about the fact that you
were not at all slanderous, just libelous, but I wasn't able to come up
with a funny enough line.
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
>
> If it had been hostile there would have been support from SER. Which isn't
> to say there *won't* be conflict there soon - I just don't think we've seen
> it yet.
Oh...I dont think we have seen it yet either, that could all be a big
fiegn.
But the way thier messages came to me, just didnt feel right. I was
sure it was an arranged trade, but thier messages made me feel alittle
differently.
> Why would Eric keep the fleet? I thought that was odd.
Eric..is likely going to build another one....
Erik...has you all over him, so he definitely shouldnt get rid of a fleet.
Not that I wont be suggesting it to him. I think that he should get rid of
Piedmont, but I have a suspicion that he is going to suicide against me,
killing us both, and giving the Russian a solo.
Have a great Christmas.
Andy
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Hi Ben, I have been willing to talk the last two years just
> to prevent that
> which you are now stating, the strong Russian presence in the
> north. As you
> can see I had to become a Russian puppet to remain alive.
I understand completely. You will see from the press archive it is my fault
you and I could not work together better.
> If only you would have moved north when I requested/suggested
> it. As it
> stands I could maybe pick up Denamrk with your support but at
> the same time
> I would lose BER. At the moment the Russian is offering to
> keep me on two.
I had planned on offering you DEN. In time I can push you further north. I
would like to see Erik put you in MUN, in fact, I recommended he offer it to
you early last season, and shortly afterward I asked Andy if *he* would
support you into MUN. I do not want to see you so weak.
> He is also now trying to get FG workingink against you in
> BEL/HOL. Something no doubt France will be interested in.
Urk. But what is in it for you, other than elimination.
> I't is as I predicted, get EF fighting and mop up behind
> them. ANy gain he
> makes in the north only makes his solo easier.
Perhaps. There is tension between RT, and if IT relations continue to
improve there will be a problem for Russia in the south.
> I was a little surprised about RUM and have asked what happened there.
> Looking at the moves Russia offered it to Turkey. I just want
> to see what
> Russia has to say. He still gets two builds so he no doubt
> offered Turkey RUM to keep him on his side.
Yes, but I was surprised (a) Eric kept the fleet, and (b) Jason captured
with an army. Interesting, interesting.
> The best offer I can see you offering me which would be
> temtpting is nth -
> ska, hol - nth, hel s hol - nth.
> But that would cost you HOL/BEL something I am sure you dont want.
>
> The only other offer is kie - ber, ruh - kie supported by hel/hol.
> I am afraid that kie - ber would bounce, so would therefor the rest.
> We will no doubt see a fleet in STP and an army in MOS.
> He can now secure the north. His only weak spot is DEN.
>
> The only option i see is you retreating from MAO and making
> up with Erik.
Yes, I was thinking about ways to do this. Encouragement from you would be
good for both of us.
> The three of us could take on Russia but maybe it is to late.
> Let me know your thoughts.
I do not think it is too late but I will have to get a clean disengagement
from France. Eric is a real charmer and I think the incorrect MAO - IRI and
my incorrect overreaction were unduly influenced.
I will offer you support to KIE; support to DEN. Why would you choose to be
eliminated, when you can play on? For some people, one game more or less
might be a major burden, but I suspect that is not the case for you. . .
;o)
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> First off: I love your press. By far the most enjoyable part of this game
> for me.
I'm going to cut you off if you build a northern fleet. I'll be boring but
belligerent - you'll see. No more twinkle toes from me!
> >If you build in the north you will be facing - my guess - an EIT. If you
> >do not threaten me with a northern build then you will be free to operate
> >without the early leader albatross around your neck.
>
> But the more meaty question is: where does it leave us? Is me not pushing
> forward good enough to mend fences? That still sounds along the lines of
> the unreasonably optimistic that I referred to above.
Tut tut. If you are worried about my fleets steaming northward, and you
nevertheless feel you would like to extend an olive branch to me, you have
but to build A STP. A powerful defensive unit, a friendly overture to
England.
> I should be around most of the week, so no rush to respond if you're
> engrossed in the holidays (which you should be!)
No, no, this is more important. The kids can wait.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
I'm not sure what your playing experience with Andy is, but he seems to
think you may commit suicide rather than play to succeed. Which *I* think
is odd, considering the game is still young and there is much that can
happen.
Merry Christmas, and I look forward to hearing from you.
Ben
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> I never give up, but I have to wait for the right moment. Basically there
is
> nothing we can do if France doesnt join in.
> Try and sway him. I have only lied since day one to him ;-)
Yes. I waited until day six or seven, so I can understand why you think I
am better qualified. I am working on it.
Merry Christmas.
Ben
Message from Germany to England
Hi Ben,
You said: I am working on it.
Erik said: >>Except for Ben, who's clearly a slanderous,
treacherous toad, what with his accusations of Satanism and all.>>
LOL, look like you have a lot of talking to do. Try getting a 3 way press
going otherwise.
Tony
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> You said: I am working on it.
>
> Erik said: >>Except for Ben, who's clearly a slanderous,
> treacherous toad, what with his accusations of Satanism and all.>>
>
> LOL, look like you have a lot of talking to do. Try getting a 3 way press
> going otherwise.
Ok, first of all, if I am correct that Eric is indeed a worshipper of the
Dark Lord, it is not slander.
Second of all, I'm working on it.
Third of all, I am not in a good position to press an attack against Erik,
and *you* know it, and for me to be overrun by Russia with his hatchet over
your neck is not exactly good for you.
So for now, let him know that I am sincerely interested in withdrawing to
deal with Russia, which is true.
I will start a group press soon, I suppose. . . I'd been thinking I'd like
to see the Russian build, first; hope springs eternal.
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
One other thing I want you to consider:
In DEN and NWY, you already have pretty much all you will *ever* get from
me. If you build STP/nc, I will have to come at Scandinavia full steam to
head off an attack.
If on the other hand you build an army in STP (or somewhere else) you will
give me more flexibility in my own planning. If you build a northern
fleet, you frankly won't be giving me much choice, and you I don't think
will be the one reaping the benefits.
Share what's on your mind, if you think I'm wrong.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
Concerning your removal, I have no strong feelings one way or the other,
but one thing I thought you may want to consider is that your southern army
is a *serious* deterrent to Andy and also is your most advanced unit, being
the only unit between the two of us anywhere near the "East." So, get rid
of it if you want, but I'd gently suggest keeping it.
Again, look at the map - I have no attack against you anymore and it's time
(for me) to settle down and play smart.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
You should know that now, after years of encouraging me to attack *you*,
Andy is asking me to push north to try to contain Russia. Now, as I told
you, that's what I wanted to do anyway, but when I hear it from *Andy*, what
it means to me is, Andy sees the danger Russia poses as a solo threat as a
*bigger* danger than he sees you against him.
Now, I agree with Andy, and I intend to follow his advice, unless you decide
to counterattack me, which would I think just be ugly, because with only a
small amount of encouragement from me Russia can claim all the German
centers, HOL, EDI, and who knows what else. I do not want to go out as a
suiciding Brit - it's not in my nature. *But* the good news is, if I get to
suicide for someone else's solo once, on this grand stage, I won't have to
do it again for awhile, because my reputation will precede me.
Anyway I do not think I will have to do it, as my sense from your last press
was that you would like to try to work with me again; perhaps you agree with
me that tactically I can't really attack you anymore, and I have every
reason to want to push north. Plus it will be a long time before you could
claim any of my dots anyway.
So! I am looking forward to hearing from you, and continuing to expect the
best for our resurrected EF.
Ben
Message from England to England
My guess is, Erik will remove F LYO. If he does really suicide against Andy, which I don't expect, it would be a good opportunity for me to try to coax Tony back into working with me, as the majority partner.
Again I have an idea of what I want but not a plan for getting there.
Ben
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Over the holiday break (Hanukkah/Winter Solstice/Christmas/Kwanzaa, in
chronological order) it's been very quiet in London. Any news items
crossing your desk?
Ben
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
It was a good year for you, diplomatically, as far as I can tell from
England. Good job, patching things up as well as possible with Italy - now
it is decision time.
Good luck, and I'll let you know if I hear anything that may be of
assistance to you.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> Andy -
> Over the holiday break (Hanukkah/Winter Solstice/Christmas/Kwanzaa, in
> chronological order) it's been very quiet in London. Any news items
> crossing your desk?
Nothing...
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Nothing...
Hm.
In that case,
What's green, has four legs, and if it jumps on you out of a tree, will kill
you?
Give up?
A pool table.
Ok, wake me when something happens.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
>
> Andy -
> > Nothing...
> Hm.
>
> In that case,
>
> What's green, has four legs, and if it jumps on you out of a tree, will kill
> you?
>
> Give up?
> A pool table.
>
> Ok, wake me when something happens.
>
10-4
Message from Master to all
Players,
I've extended the deadline per a player's request.
Greg, GM
C2
Message from Turkey to England
Well, not so good given that Russia is incensed over A Rum. Italy and I
are on good terms, though, and looking for me to head north, obviously.
Hopefully you can regain Den and Nwy, and expand somewhat in France as well.
Good luck over there.
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Well, not so good given that Russia is incensed over A Rum.
> Italy and I
> are on good terms, though, and looking for me to head north,
> obviously.
*I'd* sure appreciate it. If you don't mind me asking, why'd you support
him in BUD?
> Hopefully you can regain Den and Nwy, and expand somewhat in
> France as well.
Thanks. I hope you solo. ;-)
> Good luck over there.
And to you, my friend.
Happy New Year.
Ben
Message from France to England
Ben:
God all your pleading, consoling messages, and I am certainly receptive to
them. I just got back from vacation in NH where I had more limited access
than I thought, so I'll re-read them and get back to you before I make my
build choices.
Erik
Message from England to France
Erik -
> God all your pleading, consoling messages, and I am certainly receptive to
> them.
Good! I tried everything I could think of, with the exception of crass
bribery, which I am also prepared to do, in the form of Belgium. Which I
will gladly offer, as I think I implied (maybe said) already - I just
wanted to be clear about it.
> I just got back from vacation in NH where I had more limited access
> than I thought, so I'll re-read them and get back to you before I make my
> build choices.
In New Hampshire you were lucky to have indoor plumbing.
I am looking forward to your response, but as you can see, we have plenty
of time.
Welcome back.
Ben
Message from Turkey to England
Sorry for the delayed reply, but now that New Years has passed us by,
it's back to Dip!
The Bud support was basically to deflect his criticism over A Rum. I was
hoping he would see me as still helping him, although it didn't work out
that way. As I said, he's fairly irritated with me. :-)
jason
Message from Russia to England
Ben,
Sorry for your loss. Looked like a good game though. Unfortunately, poor TiVo
mojo caused me to miss the second half of the game. (The first time in years
of owning a TiVo I had a UI problem cause a glitch. Very sad.)
I was heartened though to see Denver fall so terribly to whoever they played
(that's true as a general rule for me). Maybe Indy will wipe out KC too,
though that's not nearly as important as seeing Denver crushed.
As to c2, I've been almost completely out of the loop this entire break. I've
sent and received a couple of messages, but not much thought or effort has
been here, especially since my last message to you. I'm leaning towards A StP
as a build, but I haven't actually made up my mind yet.
--- Eric
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> Sorry for your loss. Looked like a good game though.
Thank you for your sympathy. We were outplayed - Tennessee presented the
biggest matchup problems of all the teams in the playoffs. They were good
enough to stop Jamal with 9 in the box - where other teams tried & failed -
and then just went 1 on 1 with our outside receivers. Really, I think they
could have put 10 in the box and left one cornerback to cover our lousy wide
receivers. Anyway we are now set up nicely for next year, when hopefully
everyone who thought Anthony Wright could start successfully at qb will have
shut up, and we will get going with Kyle Boller, our qb of the future. We
have cap room & hopefully will finally find a legitimate #1 wide receiver.
I hope Oakland does well with the cap, and finds a good head coach. Denny
Green, is my guess for Oakland, which would be a good fit.
Apologies to the members of the gallery who are sick of the (American)
football talk - you did have the holidays without it.
> I was heartened though to see Denver fall so terribly to
> whoever they played
> (that's true as a general rule for me). Maybe Indy will wipe
> out KC too,
> though that's not nearly as important as seeing Denver crushed.
I'd like to see Tennessee go on & win out.
> As to c2, I've been almost completely out of the loop this
> entire break. I've
> sent and received a couple of messages, but not much thought
> or effort has
> been here, especially since my last message to you. I'm
> leaning towards A StP
> as a build, but I haven't actually made up my mind yet.
A STP is fine with me & is consistent with a desire to protect yourself in
the North without the declaration of war you get with a northern fleet
build. I would completely understand A STP & I will take it as a peaceful
overture.
As my journal notes will show you after the game is finished - my good will
toward you has steered my hand a couple of times already. No need to push
me unnecessarily. . .
Ben
Message from Turkey to England
Can you by any chance cooperate with France to hold Russia where he is,
and maybe push back a little?
Here's where I am: if I attack Russia, he can hold Sev with Ukr and Mos,
while Austria gets Bud, leaving me with maybe Gre and very little room
to maneuver. If I keep working with Russia, though, I can get Tri and
Gre for free, and move into the Med in force.
I know you want me to move north, but unfortunately it doesn't get me
anywhere. Will Russia overrun you if that's the case?
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
> Can you by any chance cooperate with France to hold Russia
> where he is, and maybe push back a little?
I would like to but I don't know if France will let me.
> Here's where I am: if I attack Russia, he can hold Sev with
> Ukr and Mos,
> while Austria gets Bud, leaving me with maybe Gre and very little room
> to maneuver. If I keep working with Russia, though, I can get Tri and
> Gre for free, and move into the Med in force.
Ok, I read this, and I hear through what you've been writing that Eric's
been working you over pretty well. Remember when you are dealing with Eric,
that he is silver tongued. I'm not saying, jam your fingers in your ears
and don't read his press, I'm just saying, think *very* *hard* about what
he's writing you.
For instance, if you attack Russia, and as you say UKR and MOS are forced to
defend SEV, what will happen elsewhere on the board? I can tell you - he
will not be able to hold Scandinavia, because he will be trying to defend
himself from you, so we will be able to squeeze him. Eventually MOS will
fall *to you* because he will be pressured from the north. Meanwhile you
will be the dominant force in the Balkans and will get to choose between A
and I for an ally against the other, while you grow and prepare to clean
them both out. With weakened AIR there will *never* come a time when you
can be eliminated and you will have a final say in the endgame. If I and F
stay at each others' throats, as it looks like they may, so much the better;
it keeps the Italian fleets far away.
Turkey does not win by growing quickly. Turkey wins by growing slowly, and
the southern Russian centers are an important piece of that yellow puzzle.
Long term, an RT on this map plays out as I see it this way: Russia grows
against me and against Germany. With a safe southern flank, he can attack
me with France - who will turn on me in a heartbeat if he thinks I am
vulnerable to Russia; if you need proof of this, simply look back to his MAO
- IRI, which was an attempt by him to rip off some of my centers while I was
attacked by Eric, but Eric's attack didn't come, so Erik pulled back [deep
breath - run-on sentence]. Meanwhile with a large Russia you will never be
safe - he will always have an opportunity to jam the knife in.
When you read the board, read the German dots as Russian. Because for now,
they are. Tony exists as Eric's pawn and his dots are *on loan* from Eric.
In the next couple of seasons, there are only one or two dots available
whichever way you go. Try to think about how you see things playing out
*beyond* that, into the endgame. I am glad to be your sounding board, and I
will try hard to take off my English-colored glasses, if you would like to
just bounce things off me.
Good luck, my friend.
Ben
Message from Turkey to England
As you say, Eric talks a good game. :-)
Thanks for the reply. I mentioned that to you knowing that you probably
saw the board differently.
While I agree that me going after Russia now lets you guys make
progress, my main fear is in being boxed in the corner. No, I won't get
eliminated, but if France or Italy can blockade me in the Med, I'm not
going anywhere either, even if I do get Mos.
I already see Ber and Kie as Russian, no question there. With Vie, he'll
have 12 centers. I'll get Tri and Gre, giving me 8, plus whatever I can
get in Italy. The main question I see is, can I get stuff in Italy
faster than Russia can move into France and Britain. He is short on
fleets, which will give you an advantage, and France is disbanding a
unit now.
If I attack him now, I run a real risk of bogging down in the corner,
and possibly facing AI together, depending on how France does. If I work
with him some more, I can get to Tun and be in a position to go in any
direction.
Right now, I'm building A Con to preverse my flexibility. We'll see how
to builds go.
jason
Message from England to Turkey
Jason -
Let me take this alittle out of order:
> Right now, I'm building A Con to preverse my flexibility. We'll see how
> to builds go.
This makes perfect sense to me. No arguments.
> As you say, Eric talks a good game. :-)
Just keep your antennae up - we are on the same page on this.
> Thanks for the reply. I mentioned that to you knowing that you probably
> saw the board differently.
Yeah, I read somewhere that your most distant neighbors are the ones most
likely telling the truth.
> While I agree that me going after Russia now lets you guys make
> progress, my main fear is in being boxed in the corner. No, I won't get
> eliminated, but if France or Italy can blockade me in the Med, I'm not
> going anywhere either, even if I do get Mos.
A couple of things I want to expand on in here: Eric's apparently told you
you can not make progress against him. What I'm telling you is, that's
not correct. He will collapse if you press him from the south. Tony, no
fool, will try to reassert himself against Eric, reclaiming his own
centers, and I will stake my claim in the north. You will get SEV, and
MOS, to boot, in time, but the real gains will be in the Balkan/Austrian
centers, where you will be the big dog. Your A CON sets this up nicely.
> I already see Ber and Kie as Russian, no question there. With Vie, he'll
> have 12 centers. I'll get Tri and Gre, giving me 8, plus whatever I can
> get in Italy. The main question I see is, can I get stuff in Italy
> faster than Russia can move into France and Britain. He is short on
> fleets, which will give you an advantage, and France is disbanding a
> unit now.
I agree. But if I end up locked up against Russia, as the only player
attacking him, as sure as I'm sitting here Erik will sneak up behind me and
I will collapse, with a Russian advance getting most of the benefit. Keep
in mind - Erik's already tried that once.
Concerning Andy, Erik's removal will likely be a southern fleet. Andy will
be free to follow whichever course he pleases - what do you think the best
method is to get him to fight France? What can /you/ do to get him to turn
against France?
> If I attack him now, I run a real risk of bogging down in the corner,
> and possibly facing AI together, depending on how France does. If I work
> with him some more, I can get to Tun and be in a position to go in any
> direction.
You are a long long way from TUN. Erik and Andy both know how important it
is to keep you out - you are just as close to MOS as you are to TUN. And
as long as Russia is strong, there is a significant danger of you being
eliminated. Once Russia is weak, Turkey is here to stay.
Anyway I think you are making the exact right decision for your build, and
for the exact right reason.
Good luck.
Ben
Message from France to England
Ben:
Regardless of what I end up disbanding, you should be aware than I am
indeed still willing to work with you. You will excuse caution on my
part, but I think history demands that I not turn a blind eye to you for
a little while without a very good cause.
We can talk more when discussions for the next phase begin.
Erik
Austria: REMOVE Fleet Albania
France: REMOVE Army Piedmont
Russia: BUILD Army St Petersburg
Russia: BUILD Army Warsaw
Turkey: BUILD Army Constantinople
Centers
Austria: 2
England: 5
France: 5
Germany: 2
Italy: 5
Russia: 9
Turkey: 6
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