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Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
>
> So if you're still up to helping me solo, it should be a lot easier now. :)
> Though I suspect that isn't on your agenda any more.
And you would be correct.
Any other answer you would assume was a lie, so I might as well just say
it to you.
I knew this would happen eventually, I just dont know why you kept Turkey
in the game when you could have 3 builds.
> I truly expected Ser-Gre to bounce, and I Tri-Ven (without support) was just
> a remnant from when I thought about moving Tri back as you had suggested. The
> support for Jason to Smy was what I was getting at with the comment about not
> being quite ready to give up on the possibility of a solo. I really did think
> REI was the most likely result, and figured that after this season I'd
> probably come out even and then just hunker down quietly into a 3way. But
> after screwing a really good opportunity to be aggressive last season, I felt
> like I had to take a chance on something this season.
You knew I was moving to PIE.
If you wanted VEN, you could force it. I positioned myself to convoy to
Spain, but allow myself to tell France otherwise.
>
> I'm assuming that with my moves (and based on the silence that followed them)
> that any sort of RI coordination is out of the question. I certainly can't
> blame you if that's the case. If I'm wrong and you want to work something
> out, I'm here. Actually, even if I'm right, I'm still here and open to
> discussion, berating, or whatever.
Whats in it for me....you have lied through your teeth to me for 2
years....
> In any case, I think we can both agree that I'll be the one to do the
> treating at our next sushi lunch. :) Maybe we can do that next month in
> Portland, since I'm still considering attending.
Maybe ....it would be good to see you.
Message from Russia to Italy
>I knew this would happen eventually, I just dont know why you kept Turkey
>in the game when you could have 3 builds.
I truly had zero expectation of getting any builds. I may have been naive
in that expectation, but I did expect it. I thought two fleets (Smy and
Bul) trapped behind my fleets would be better than having you support
yourself to Gre. If I had expected I could get three builds, I would have
moved quite differently in the north.
>You knew I was moving to PIE.
>If you wanted VEN, you could force it.
I knew you said you were moving against France, but you didn't the season
before, and my move to Ser in Spring was clearly threatening to you. So I
expected you'd defend waiting for me to back off. But I do see your point
now that you say it -- had you held, I could have taken Pie and forced Ven.
>I positioned myself to convoy to Spain, but allow myself to tell France
>otherwise.
Not that it's important, but can you explain this? How would you have
gotten to France without building and moving in a new fleet?
>Whats in it [working with me in some way] for me....
I couldn't see anything myself, but I never rule out that there may be some
twisted pleasure that other can get by working with me. Tony (Germany)
wanted to see me solo when he got down to two units -- despite it being me
that took most of his units -- because he thought that Ben was playing too
carebear a game. So it seemed worth asking despite the unlikeliness.
>you have lied through your teeth to me for 2 years....
Hey, I told you I'd give you Bul and I came through on that. :) Yeah, I
know that's not much consolation.
> > In any case, I think we can both agree that I'll be the one to do the
> > treating at our next sushi lunch. :) Maybe we can do that next month in
> > Portland, since I'm still considering attending.
>
>Maybe ....it would be good to see you.
I agree.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
> >I knew this would happen eventually, I just dont know why you kept Turkey
> >in the game when you could have 3 builds.
>
> I truly had zero expectation of getting any builds. I may have been naive
> in that expectation, but I did expect it. I thought two fleets (Smy and
> Bul) trapped behind my fleets would be better than having you support
> yourself to Gre. If I had expected I could get three builds, I would have
> moved quite differently in the north.
Yeah..but you could have had 3 builds and 1 fleet trapped behind you.
> >You knew I was moving to PIE.
>
> >If you wanted VEN, you could force it.
>
> I knew you said you were moving against France, but you didn't the season
> before, and my move to Ser in Spring was clearly threatening to you.
And what could I have done about it. When you are in a jannisary position
such as mine, you have to take alot of things that you dont like and do
them anyway or the larger power just kills you.....that was one of these
moves...
So I
> expected you'd defend waiting for me to back off. But I do see your point
> now that you say it -- had you held, I could have taken Pie and forced Ven.
>
> >I positioned myself to convoy to Spain, but allow myself to tell France
> >otherwise.
>
> Not that it's important, but can you explain this? How would you have
> gotten to France without building and moving in a new fleet?
>
Correct me if I am wrong here...but didnt you promise me a build..ie a new
fleet. I was just doing the *planning ahead* thing.
> >Whats in it [working with me in some way] for me....
>
> I couldn't see anything myself, but I never rule out that there may be some
> twisted pleasure that other can get by working with me. Tony (Germany)
> wanted to see me solo when he got down to two units -- despite it being me
> that took most of his units -- because he thought that Ben was playing too
> carebear a game. So it seemed worth asking despite the unlikeliness.
I told Ben to move on you when he started moving on France, and he would
have caught you flat footed...he didnt, and now we have to scramble to
keep you from soloing....
> >you have lied through your teeth to me for 2 years....
>
> Hey, I told you I'd give you Bul and I came through on that. :) Yeah, I
> know that's not much consolation.
You told me that you didnt have a problem with me building. clearly you
did.
Andy
Message from Italy to England and France
Gentlemen,
What say you??
How do you want to do this.
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
>Yeah..but you could have had 3 builds and 1 fleet trapped behind you.
Again, if I knew I could have, I would have done differently. It seemed
safer if I failed to protect all my centers to have Smy with a non-Andy
controlled unit in it, Bul with an Italian fleet, and certainty that Aeg
would not have a foreign unit. That was the logic, as good or as bad as it
might really be.
>And what could I have done about it. When you are in a jannisary position
>such as mine, you have to take alot of things that you dont like and do
>them anyway or the larger power just kills you.....that was one of these
>moves...
True. The main point (for me) was that you were not really being an
effective jannisary any more. Our cooperation left me with no Med presence,
and I did raise the issue once or twice the past season. I like to believe
that it was not just capricious "gee, let me eliminate this guy for the
sake of doing it" movement on my part. I didn't have a problem with you
getting a build if a solo was not a possibility. If it's going to be a
three way, then whatever three way works for me, and you a the third is the
safest way for that to happen. But I still wanted to press for the possible
solo first.
> > Not that it's important, but can you explain this? How would you have
> > gotten to France without building and moving in a new fleet?
>
>Correct me if I am wrong here...but didnt you promise me a build..ie a new
>fleet. I was just doing the *planning ahead* thing.
No, I got that. I just meant that when you started moving the fleet in he'd
see it coming for several seasons running, so the "misdirection" would have
been short lived. But I wasn't arguing with you. You were doing the best
you could with a bad hand. I wasn't complaining, just trying to understand
your thinking.
>I told Ben to move on you when he started moving on France, and he would
>have caught you flat footed...he didnt, and now we have to scramble to
>keep you from soloing....
I realized I was taking a gamble that he was going to move on me and not
France. But that seemed a fairly conservative gamble from where I was
sitting. I think I have a decent sense of what's motivating him, and I was
reasonably confident that he would end up moving on France.
>You told me that you didnt have a problem with me building. clearly you
>did.
Well, again, I would not have been upset with you getting a build, but
that's a semantic distinction that isn't really helpful in this situation.
Fundamentally, you getting a build pretty much cemented a three way and
killed any solo chance. I was perfectly happy with that conceptually, but I
thought for once in this game I'd be a little more daring. And having you
move to Bul was helpful. In that context (and only that one), I actually
thought you might approve of the moves.
I guess fundamentally, the question is: what would you suggest I *should*
have done differently from my point of view (which is not the same as
asking what you would have preferred that I did). Other than eliminating
Turkey, of course.
Anyway, I gotta go to bed (and what the heck are you doing up this late?).
Talk to you later,
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> >Yeah..but you could have had 3 builds and 1 fleet trapped behind you.
>
> Again, if I knew I could have, I would have done differently. It seemed
> safer if I failed to protect all my centers to have Smy with a non-Andy
> controlled unit in it,
Ok...this is the thing I was looking for.
> >And what could I have done about it. When you are in a jannisary position
> >such as mine, you have to take alot of things that you dont like and do
> >them anyway or the larger power just kills you.....that was one of these
> >moves...
>
> True. The main point (for me) was that you were not really being an
> effective jannisary any more.
Ok...if you had given me the build a year earlier, instead of taking
Trieste from me. I wouldnt have been doing this.
When we did speak, you asked me to go west. I told you I needed another
fleet, you agreed and then wouldnt give me the fleet to do the work.
Our cooperation left me with no Med presence,
> and I did raise the issue once or twice the past season. I like to believe
> that it was not just capricious "gee, let me eliminate this guy for the
> sake of doing it" movement on my part.
And I told you to build fleets, you are the one that told me that you
would hold off.
I didn't have a problem with you
> getting a build if a solo was not a possibility. If it's going to be a
> three way, then whatever three way works for me, and you a the third is the
> safest way for that to happen. But I still wanted to press for the possible
> solo first.
I understand that.
> > > Not that it's important, but can you explain this? How would you have
> > > gotten to France without building and moving in a new fleet?
> >
> >Correct me if I am wrong here...but didnt you promise me a build..ie a new
> >fleet. I was just doing the *planning ahead* thing.
>
> No, I got that. I just meant that when you started moving the fleet in he'd
> see it coming for several seasons running, so the "misdirection" would have
> been short lived. But I wasn't arguing with you. You were doing the best
> you could with a bad hand. I wasn't complaining, just trying to understand
> your thinking.
Let me clarify.
When I was moving 1 fleet from the ION and fleets from GRE and SMY toward
France, he would see me coming a mile away, one fleet doesnt threaten
anyone.
If I am moving 2 fleets from ION and NAP toward the french that has a
whole lot of bite, and I will point out that he NEVER moved up WES or TUN,
even with the english bearing down on him.
> >I told Ben to move on you when he started moving on France, and he would
> >have caught you flat footed...he didnt, and now we have to scramble to
> >keep you from soloing....
>
> I realized I was taking a gamble that he was going to move on me and not
> France. But that seemed a fairly conservative gamble from where I was
> sitting. I think I have a decent sense of what's motivating him, and I was
> reasonably confident that he would end up moving on France.
You didnt read what I wrote.
I told him to move on you both at the same time, he has had 4 units
jerking off in the north for 2 years, they could have been taking STP and
getting an army up north to annoy you.
> >You told me that you didnt have a problem with me building. clearly you
> >did.
>
> I guess fundamentally, the question is: what would you suggest I *should*
> have done differently from my point of view (which is not the same as
> asking what you would have preferred that I did). Other than eliminating
> Turkey, of course.
Eric,
you didnt do anything wrong. If you are trying to solo, this was a very
good set of moves, the only thing I would have done differntly was take
SMY for myself and get rid of the Turk. Not that you cant do it now, very
easily.
You got lucky in the sense that I moved out of your way in a bunch of
places. And yo are banking on the the EF not getting thier shit together
to stop you.....
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
I am now thinking the convoy won't work as the priority will be getting a
fleet into BOT without moving BAL. The fleets will have to be moving. So
if I don't do the convoy I will move BRE - GAS, which will still allow
Erik's entry into BRE.
Thoughts?
Ben
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
Your points are all very good ones. And in that sense, I did create a self
fulfilling prophecy of what you would do. I appreciate the analysis.
Realistically, it's the failure to see *this* sort of thing which is why I
refer to myself as new -- I'm really unfamiliar with endgame activities.
> I told him to move on you both at the same time, he has had 4 units
> jerking off in the north for 2 years, they could have been taking STP and
> getting an army up north to annoy you.
Again, I see your point. But that said, I still had reason to believe that he
would pull back. I agree with you that it was an odd move, and I probably
wouldn't have backed off in his position either (easy for me to say, who
can't predict my own moves, let alone other players':), but I did think he
would.
>> I guess fundamentally, the question is: what would you suggest I *should*
>> have done differently from my point of view (which is not the same as
>> asking what you would have preferred that I did). Other than eliminating
>> Turkey, of course.
> you didnt do anything wrong. If you are trying to solo, this was a very
> good set of moves, the only thing I would have done differntly was take
> SMY for myself and get rid of the Turk. Not that you cant do it now, very
> easily.
That's what I thought you were saying. Thanks. This helps me understand the
previous comments. If I've got this straight, the frustration for you is
around the way I set things up so that they got here, not the getting here
itself. I completely agree. If there's anything I need to work on (other than
being more aggressive/risk-taking) it's figuring out a way to handle the
situation where I intend to attack someone but don't want to telegraph how
it'll happen. In another game I am very impressed by how one of the players
handles this. He's attacked me easily two thirds of his moves, and he's told
me that it's coming in all but one or two cases, which puts him in a better
situation than I am with you when I was down to my last two units.
> You got lucky in the sense that I moved out of your way in a bunch of
> places.
Couldn't agree more, though as noted, now I understand why you did and can
see that maybe I should have expected it.
> And you are banking on the the EF not getting thier shit together
> to stop you.....
I don't know how much I can count on this, but it seemed a reasonable chance
to take.
Take care, and thanks for all the feedback.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
> Your points are all very good ones. And in that sense, I did create a self
> fulfilling prophecy of what you would do. I appreciate the analysis.
> Realistically, it's the failure to see *this* sort of thing which is why I
> refer to myself as new -- I'm really unfamiliar with endgame activities.
I know TOP rated ftf players that cant do this, dont get down on yourself.
> > I told him to move on you both at the same time, he has had 4 units
> > jerking off in the north for 2 years, they could have been taking STP and
> > getting an army up north to annoy you.
>
> Again, I see your point. But that said, I still had reason to believe that he
> would pull back. I agree with you that it was an odd move, and I probably
> wouldn't have backed off in his position either (easy for me to say, who
> can't predict my own moves, let alone other players':), but I did think he
> would.
Why?? Do you have pics of him with a goat or something.
> >> I guess fundamentally, the question is: what would you suggest I *should*
> >> have done differently from my point of view (which is not the same as
> >> asking what you would have preferred that I did). Other than eliminating
> >> Turkey, of course.
>
> > you didnt do anything wrong. If you are trying to solo, this was a very
> > good set of moves, the only thing I would have done differntly was take
> > SMY for myself and get rid of the Turk. Not that you cant do it now, very
> > easily.
>
> That's what I thought you were saying. Thanks. This helps me understand the
> previous comments. If I've got this straight, the frustration for you is
> around the way I set things up so that they got here, not the getting here
> itself.
yes.
> being more aggressive/risk-taking) it's figuring out a way to handle the
> situation where I intend to attack someone but don't want to telegraph how
> it'll happen.
Well...one of the things you better be writing in your journal or to
yourself is whether this whole story about being so busy is just a crock
of shit, because, in a normal scenario, if you ever went this long without
talking to me, I would expect nothing but attacks.....you can NEVER go
that long without conversation without building distrust.
In another game I am very impressed by how one of the players
> handles this. He's attacked me easily two thirds of his moves, and he's told
> me that it's coming in all but one or two cases, which puts him in a better
> situation than I am with you when I was down to my last two units.
If you can logically explain why you did something, and the other player
can see it, its hard to be annoyed at someone.
> > And you are banking on the the EF not getting thier shit together
> > to stop you.....
>
> I don't know how much I can count on this, but it seemed a reasonable chance
> to take.
I think I will just not respond to this and make the world a better place.
take care
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
> I know TOP rated ftf players that cant do this, dont get down on yourself.
But self-flagellation is one of my defining personality characteristics. :)
> > but I did think he would. [back off instead of attack]
> Why?? Do you have pics of him with a goat or something.
LOL! No, that's not quite it. :) You'll see the reason when (if) you read the
whole press log. If you're not going to, I'll stick a comment in my EOG. Part
of it was around the negotiation. But a lot was just feeling like I had a
good handle on his personality -- just not the goat-loving part of it. :)
> Well...one of the things you better be writing in your journal or to
> yourself is whether this whole story about being so busy is just a crock
> of shit, because, in a normal scenario, if you ever went this long without
> talking to me, I would expect nothing but attacks.....
That's part of why I feel so lucky in this game. In the early part (pre-mid
December) I had good rapport with all the players and actually "made" a lot
of my luck. In the latter part I was coasting on good will built up from the
first part of the game, and you can see in my comments to self that it was
hard to stay involved. I had SERIOUSLY considered quitting the game because I
just did not have time for it. As an aside, I find it more work and more
stress to play in a game where I'm doing well than where I'm losing -- I
didn't consider quitting my other game near as strongly.
I only stayed in because I really believe in the "joining the game is a
committment" motto. I have one abandonment to my name, and it was a time when
I was out of town and I didn't set up the vacation properly before leaving. I
don't expect to play online again for quite some time after these two games
wind down.
> you can NEVER go that long without conversation without building distrust.
But in this game, it helped alot that Erik and to some extent Jason are also
quiet. And the fact that Erik and Philippe wanted you dead from the word go,
and you worked so hard to see Tony removed, didn't hurt either.
>>> And you are banking on the the EF not getting thier shit together
>>> to stop you.....
>>
>> I don't know how much I can count on this, but it seemed a reasonable
chance
>> to take.
>
> I think I will just not respond to this and make the world a better place.
:)
I'll take that lack of comment as a good sign for my solo prospects.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to England and France
>
> Gentlemen -
> I am now thinking the convoy won't work as the priority will be getting a
> fleet into BOT without moving BAL.
Help me out here....WHY?
The fleets will have to be moving. So
> if I don't do the convoy I will move BRE - GAS, which will still allow
> Erik's entry into BRE.
No.....
Im not sure what your exact concern is, but allow me to attempt to address
it.
Munich will not be moving. I can basically guarantee it.
F BAR - STP(NC)
A NWY - FIN
F NTH - NWY
F BAL c A KIE - PRU
F BER s A KIE - PRU
A RUH - KIE
A BEL - RUH
A BRE - ENG - BEL
F ENG c A BRE - BEL
F MAO - NAO
A PIC - BUR
A PAR - BRE
F TUN - ION
F WES - TYS
F SPA(SC) - LYO
F ION - ADR
A PIE - TUS
A APU - ROM
Untangles us, and gets your units moving in the right direction
And gives a fail-safe if stuff gets bounced.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
> > I know TOP rated ftf players that cant do this, dont get down on yourself.
>
> But self-flagellation is one of my defining personality characteristics. :)
I see.....:-), Why are you married to that really beautiful woman
again..:-)..??
> > > but I did think he would. [back off instead of attack]
>
> > Why?? Do you have pics of him with a goat or something.
>
> LOL! No, that's not quite it. :) You'll see the reason when (if) you read the
> whole press log. If you're not going to, I'll stick a comment in my EOG. Part
> of it was around the negotiation. But a lot was just feeling like I had a
> good handle on his personality -- just not the goat-loving part of it. :)
Stick a comment in your EOG.
> > Well...one of the things you better be writing in your journal or to
> > yourself is whether this whole story about being so busy is just a crock
> > of shit, because, in a normal scenario, if you ever went this long without
> > talking to me, I would expect nothing but attacks.....
>
> That's part of why I feel so lucky in this game. In the early part (pre-mid
> December) I had good rapport with all the players and actually "made" a lot
> of my luck. In the latter part I was coasting on good will built up from the
> first part of the game, and you can see in my comments to self that it was
> hard to stay involved. I had SERIOUSLY considered quitting the game because I
> just did not have time for it. As an aside, I find it more work and more
> stress to play in a game where I'm doing well than where I'm losing -- I
> didn't consider quitting my other game near as strongly.
Yeah.....you better address whether this is a load of crap too....:-)
> I only stayed in because I really believe in the "joining the game is a
> committment" motto. I have one abandonment to my name, and it was a time when
> I was out of town and I didn't set up the vacation properly before leaving. I
> don't expect to play online again for quite some time after these two games
> wind down.
I understand.
> > you can NEVER go that long without conversation without building distrust.
>
> But in this game, it helped alot that Erik and to some extent Jason are also
> quiet. And the fact that Erik and Philippe wanted you dead from the word go,
> and you worked so hard to see Tony removed, didn't hurt either.
Yes......those things are all true.....particurally the part about Erik.
> I'll take that lack of comment as a good sign for my solo prospects.
Depends on whether they listen to me or not...
Message from France to England and Italy
> Munich will not be moving. I can basically guarantee it.
>
> F BAR - STP(NC)
> A NWY - FIN
> F NTH - NWY
> F BAL c A KIE - PRU
> F BER s A KIE - PRU
> A RUH - KIE
> A BEL - RUH
> A BRE - ENG - BEL
> F ENG c A BRE - BEL
> F MAO - NAO
>
>
> A PIC - BUR
> A PAR - BRE
> F TUN - ION
> F WES - TYS
> F SPA(SC) - LYO
>
> F ION - ADR
> A PIE - TUS
> A APU - ROM
>
> Untangles us, and gets your units moving in the right direction
> And gives a fail-safe if stuff gets bounced.
>
I am generally in agreement with Andy on this set of moves, though I am
curious why Mun won't be moving anywhere (if you have some line on it that
we don't). I expect Ion to bounce, but that's as good as having a unit
there. Once-space extension of power.
Obviously, I'm exposing Por and Spa to Ben here, but I think we can agree
that any move on those can guarantee a Russian solo. I need to be able to
move fleets, fleets, fleets far and fast.
Erik
Message from Italy to England and France
> I am generally in agreement with Andy on this set of moves, though I am
> curious why Mun won't be moving anywhere (if you have some line on it that
> we don't). I expect Ion to bounce, but that's as good as having a unit
> there. Once-space extension of power.
Its spring.
It is my feeling that it will not more...he needs to have a supported
attack behind the move and that would mean moving Tyrolia into Munich
and risking me sliding into Tyrolia behind him, with all that open space
between me and the turkish border, the last thing in the world he wants
is for me to be in Tyrolia, which means I should likely go there. his
only real options for moves are as follows...
Mun - Bur Maybe...but not likely
Mun - Kie Even less likely, its not supported and surrounded.
Mun - Ber Maybe, but doubtful because of the Tyrolia issue...
Let me look at this, you make a good point.
> Obviously, I'm exposing Por and Spa to Ben here, but I think we can agree
> that any move on those can guarantee a Russian solo. I need to be able to
> move fleets, fleets, fleets far and fast.
>
Yes.
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
I have not studied the proposal as a whole but it is my guess a move to FIN will bounce, this spring, based on my correspondence with Eric.
I'm working tonight - I'll be up all night.
Ben
Message from Italy to England and France
Ben,
> I have not studied the proposal as a whole but it is my guess a move to
FIN will bounce, this spring, based on my correspondence with Eric.
How convinced of this are you?
> I'm working tonight - I'll be up all night.
And its early we could get alot done.
Andy
Message from Italy to England and France
Fellas,
Ben seems pretty convinced that Eric is going to go to Finland, the only
way he can both move to Finland and bounce an attack on STP is by moving
LVN - STP supported by MOS.
so lets revisit.
F MAO - NAO
F ENG c A BRE - NWY
F NTH c A BRE - NWY
A BRE - ENG - NTH - NWY
A BEL - HOL
A RUH - MUN
A NWY - SWE
F BAR s A BRE - NWY
A KIE - BAL - LVN
F BAL c A KIE - LVN
F BER h
A PIC - BUR
A PAR - BRE
F TUN - ION
F WES - TYS
F SPA(SC) - LYO
A PIE - TYR
A APU - ROM
F ION - ADR
Message from England to France and Italy
>> I have not studied the proposal as a whole but it is my guess a move to
>> FIN will bounce, this spring, based on my correspondence with Eric.
> How convinced of this are you?
60/40 in favor. He basically told me he's not going to give it up without a
fight.
I didn't tell him I'm coming for it - but I didn't exactly deny it, either.
Ben
Message from England to France and Italy
Andy -
> > I am now thinking the convoy won't work as the priority
> > will be getting a fleet into BOT without moving BAL.
> Help me out here....WHY?
Eric's play against me to this point has not been particularly aggressive.
I think that is going to change as of this coming phase.
> Im not sure what your exact concern is,
That's it. I am reasonably confident of STP - FIN and would not be
surprised to see MUN - BER, though I am prepared to gamble against that; the
convoy to PRU seems to be enough of a payoff.
> Munich will not be moving. I can basically guarantee it.
Your analysis on this point - later press; I won't repeat it - is
persuasive.
Ben
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
I've had problems with the Judge - Erik, I've been writing you with Andy in
all communication.
> so lets revisit.
This looks fine with me.
Ben
Message from France to England and Italy
>
> so lets revisit.
>
> F MAO - NAO
> F ENG c A BRE - NWY
> F NTH c A BRE - NWY
> A BRE - ENG - NTH - NWY
> A BEL - HOL
> A RUH - MUN
> A NWY - SWE
> F BAR s A BRE - NWY
> A KIE - BAL - LVN
> F BAL c A KIE - LVN
> F BER h
>
> A PIC - BUR
> A PAR - BRE
> F TUN - ION
> F WES - TYS
> F SPA(SC) - LYO
>
>
> A PIE - TYR
> A APU - ROM
> F ION - ADR
Looks good in general, but what about ruhr - kiel, bel - ruhr? Might be
good to have as many units as possible sitting on Munich for the fall.
Erik
Message from Italy to England and France
> > F MAO - NAO
> > F ENG c A BRE - NWY
> > F NTH c A BRE - NWY
> > A BRE - ENG - NTH - NWY
> > A BEL - HOL
> > A RUH - MUN
> > A NWY - SWE
> > F BAR s A BRE - NWY
> > A KIE - BAL - LVN
> > F BAL c A KIE - LVN
> > F BER h
> >
> > A PIC - BUR
> > A PAR - BRE
> > F TUN - ION
> > F WES - TYS
> > F SPA(SC) - LYO
> >
> >
> > A PIE - TYR
> > A APU - ROM
> > F ION - ADR
>
> Looks good in general, but what about ruhr - kiel, bel - ruhr? Might be
> good to have as many units as possible sitting on Munich for the fall.
That isnt a bad change.
Your call Ben. I think they are both equally strong.
Andy
Message from England to France and Italy
> Your call Ben.
I need to tap MUN (from RUH) to protect BER.
Ben
Message from France to England and Italy
Orders are in. I will be away this weekend starting now, but I will check
e-mail intermittantly.
Erik
Message from Italy to England and France
Have a good weekend.
>
> Orders are in. I will be away this weekend starting now, but I will check
> e-mail intermittantly.
>
Message from England to France and Italy
Erik -
> Have a good weekend.
>
> > Orders are in. I will be away this weekend starting now, but I will
> > check e-mail intermittantly.
Not missing much so far. . .
;-)
Ben
England: Fleet Baltic Sea CONVOY Army Kiel → Livonia
England: Fleet Barents Sea SUPPORT Army Brest → Norway
England: Army Belgium → Holland
England: Fleet Berlin HOLD (*dislodged*)
England: Army Brest → English Channel → North Sea → Norway
England: Fleet English Channel CONVOY Army Brest → Norway
England: Army Kiel → Baltic Sea → Livonia
England: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → North Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Brest → Norway
England: Army Norway → Sweden
England: Army Ruhr → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Army Paris → Brest
France: Army Picardy → Burgundy
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) → Gulf of Lyon
France: Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean → Tyrrhenian Sea
Italy: Army Apulia → Rome
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Adriatic Sea
Italy: Army Piedmont → Tyrolia
Russia: Fleet Aegean Sea → Ionian Sea (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Ankara → Constantinople
Russia: Army Bohemia SUPPORT Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Fleet Constantinople → Bulgaria (south coast)
Russia: Army Greece → Albania
Russia: Army Livonia → St Petersburg
Russia: Army Moscow SUPPORT Army Livonia → St Petersburg
Russia: Army Munich → Berlin
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Black Sea
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Munich → Berlin
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Finland
Russia: Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Army Venice HOLD
Russia: Army Warsaw → Prussia
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna → Eastern Mediterranean
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