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France: Army Belgium can retreat to Picardy
Message from Russia to England
Ben,
Just noticed that the turn processed (odd, my mailer did not flag the "c2"
mailbox as having new mail).
Well, obviously you won't be happy with my moves. I kind of expected Erik
would put up a better fight than he did, which made the move seem like a
reasonable one. The "good" news is that him folding leaves you in a pretty
good position, and meanwhile I'm dependent on the ever-trustworthy Tony.
It's my understanding that nothing is going to happen until after the
holidays, so we've got time to talk about what (if anything) to do from
here. You are also welcome to a "what the F$%@ were you thinking!?!"
message or three in the meantime. If it helps any, the moves were entered
when watching the Raiders game last night. (That's a joke.)
I trust that what happens in this game won't impact your enjoyment of the
holidays, and all the good wishes sent your way before still remain.
Talk to you later,
--- Eric
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
Well, now my Christmas is ruined.
Ben
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
Can we talk now?
You have survived a harrowing opening - I wonder whether it is in the best
interest of the German people to have a strong Russian presence in the
North.
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> Well, obviously you won't be happy with my moves. I kind of expected Erik
> would put up a better fight than he did, which made the move seem like a
> reasonable one. The "good" news is that him folding leaves you in a pretty
> good position, and meanwhile I'm dependent on the ever-trustworthy Tony.
You write this as if we are now locked into our courses. I do not think
/you/ think that way; I know *I* don't.
> It's my understanding that nothing is going to happen until after the
> holidays,
Um, moves are due on 12/25, by my reading of the Judge.
Consider whether you want to dominate the North and the Austrian home
centers simultaneously. You will be the early leader and there will be no
solo for you - trust me, I've tried (zulu on ustx - just finished). I
continue to be no threat to you, though as you commented yourself, beyond
DEN there's just not much there for you. More profitable would be the
German centers first, I would think. . .
If you build in the north you will be facing - my guess - an EIT. If you
do not threaten me with a northern build then you will be free to operate
without the early leader albatross around your neck.
We will see your thoughts, on the map, soon enough.
Ben
Message from Germany to England
Hi Ben, I have been willing to talk the last two years just to prevent that
which you are now stating, the strong Russian presence in the north. As you
can see I had to become a Russian puppet to remain alive.
If only you would have moved north when I requested/suggested it. As it
stands I could maybe pick up Denamrk with your support but at the same time
I would lose BER. At the moment the Russian is offering to keep me on two.
He is also now trying to get FG workingink against you in BEL/HOL. Something
no doubt France will be interested in.
I't is as I predicted, get EF fighting and mop up behind them. ANy gain he
makes in the north only makes his solo easier.
I was a little surprised about RUM and have asked what happened there.
Looking at the moves Russia offered it to Turkey. I just want to see what
Russia has to say. He still gets two builds so he no doubt offered Turkey
RUM to keep him on his side.
The best offer I can see you offering me which would be temtpting is nth -
ska, hol - nth, hel s hol - nth.
But that would cost you HOL/BEL something I am sure you dont want.
The only other offer is kie - ber, ruh - kie supported by hel/hol.
I am afraid that kie - ber would bounce, so would therefor the rest.
We will no doubt see a fleet in STP and an army in MOS.
He can now secure the north. His only weak spot is DEN.
The only option i see is you retreating from MAO and making up with Erik.
The three of us could take on Russia but maybe it is to late.
Let me know your thoughts.
Message from England to France
Erik -
Well, I am one stupid Englishman. Russia worked on me pretty well last
phase, and I was completely convinced you were going to attack me. . .
Clearly I was more manipulated *this* phase than even you were when you went
to IRI - we are being played for fools.
Still, it is good that I ended up in HOL and BEL, as now I am not forced
into a painful removal, and I do not think either of us - already having
been badly manipulated by Eric - wants to let him solo.
We have a couple of ways to set up our defense, and if necessary I think we
can have German assistance. I would urge you to recapture MAO. It's no use
to me and I don't want to be there. I want to be in NAO, and I can get
there either by (a) moving or (b) retreating - I get there either way. If I
were to take POR I would be plonked out in the fall anyway. Tell me what
you want & I will accommodate.
I no longer threaten BRE, and ENG is vacant, so I hope you will agree,
though I took HOL and BEL, I'm not a threat anymore to you.
We've both been taken advantage of by Russia. You are angry at me, of
course, for not being strong enough to resist temptation. I understand.
But I hope you will go forward with me, in order that we can survive.
Ben
p.s. Retreat the army - do not disband it - we will need it to deal with
the German centers. And I say this, absolutely aware that you could use it
to hurt me. But there is a higher cause right now, and that is, that we
play well, and not embarass ourselves any further in front of the gallery.
Message from England to England
Cripes. If I'd been Russia I would have waited alittle longer, as I implied
earlier. Though this was of course best, for Eric, attacking as I go out of
position in another direction, and keeping me from getting *any* builds.
Brent, this is eerily familiar.
Ben
Message from England to Germany
[sending a second time - you may get this twice]
Tony -
> Hi Ben, I have been willing to talk the last two years just
> to prevent that
> which you are now stating, the strong Russian presence in the
> north. As you
> can see I had to become a Russian puppet to remain alive.
I understand completely. You will see from the press archive it is my fault you and I could not work together better.
> If only you would have moved north when I requested/suggested
> it. As it
> stands I could maybe pick up Denamrk with your support but at
> the same time
> I would lose BER. At the moment the Russian is offering to
> keep me on two.
I had planned on offering you DEN. In time I can push you further north. I would like to see Erik put you in MUN, in fact, I recommended he offer it to you early last season, and shortly afterward I asked Andy if *he* would support you into MUN. I do not want to see you so weak.
> He is also now trying to get FG workingink against you in
> BEL/HOL. Something no doubt France will be interested in.
Urk. But what is in it for you, other than elimination.
> I't is as I predicted, get EF fighting and mop up behind
> them. ANy gain he
> makes in the north only makes his solo easier.
Perhaps. There is tension between RT, and if IT relations continue to improve there will be a problem for Russia in the south.
> I was a little surprised about RUM and have asked what happened there.
> Looking at the moves Russia offered it to Turkey. I just want
> to see what
> Russia has to say. He still gets two builds so he no doubt
> offered Turkey RUM to keep him on his side.
Yes, but I was surprised (a) Eric kept the fleet, and (b) Jason captured with an army. Interesting, interesting.
> The best offer I can see you offering me which would be
> temtpting is nth -
> ska, hol - nth, hel s hol - nth.
> But that would cost you HOL/BEL something I am sure you dont want.
>
> The only other offer is kie - ber, ruh - kie supported by hel/hol.
> I am afraid that kie - ber would bounce, so would therefor the rest.
> We will no doubt see a fleet in STP and an army in MOS.
> He can now secure the north. His only weak spot is DEN.
>
> The only option i see is you retreating from MAO and making
> up with Erik.
Yes, I was thinking about ways to do this. Encouragement from you would be good for both of us.
> The three of us could take on Russia but maybe it is to late.
> Let me know your thoughts.
I do not think it is too late but I will have to get a clean disengagement from France. Eric is a real charmer and I think the incorrect MAO - IRI and my incorrect overreaction were unduly influenced.
I will offer you support to KIE; support to DEN. Why would you choose to be eliminated, when you can play on? For some people, one game more or less might be a major burden, but I suspect that is not the case for you. . . ;o)
Ben
Message from England to all
Happy holidays to all, except for Eric, who is evil and worships Satan.
Ben
Message from Italy to all
> Happy holidays to all, except for Eric, who is evil and worships Satan.
>
Or as my tshirt say....smokes crack and worships Satan...
All my best to each of you and yours.....yes...even you brain picking
commentators....Have a great holiday
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Or as my tshirt say....smokes crack and worships Satan...
You have a tshirt about Eric Goodman?
Andy, I'm in big friggin trouble. I need a Turkish stab of Russia to stop a
Russian solo - Germany will get none of my dots, they will be eaten from
behind by Russia, who will also get HOL/EDI etc. What will you be doing,
and what should I be doing.
> All my best to each of you and yours
Thank you.
Ben
Message from Germany to all
Vrolijk Kerst en een Gelukkig Nieuw Jaar............. <=== Written in
Satanik so that Eric can understand
Merry Christmas and a Happy new year to you and your families, players and
spectators and not to forget the Mighty GM Greg
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> Vrolijk Kerst en een Gelukkig Nieuw Jaar............. <=== Written in
> Satanik so that Eric can understand
If this is indeed satanic then I think I understand *you* alittle better, my
Dutch friend.
;o)
If I fall to Russia then you will be already gone, and the game will be
over. Tell me it's my fault, I know it's my fault, it does not mean we give
up, does it?
Ben
Message from France to England
Got your message.
Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me.
I don't see how I could possibly trust you to work with me at this point
with out some sort of extraordinary overture on your part. As such, it
seems unlikely that I could do anything except use everything in my power
to defend against you. I mean, really, why should I work with you? You've
proven that you carry grudges an inordinate amount of time, you're easily
manipulated by other nations, you're willing to ignore a serious solo
threat for your own personal gain, and you are not able to resist grabbing
my centers no matter what the long-term cost. Hey, I know I placed a fleet
in Iri for a little opportunistic bloodletting, but when I saw that it was
a bad move in the long-term, I pulled way back. I do not believe you are
capable of doing the same. You are clearly going to be a threat to me for
as long as I remain in the game.
Because of you, I've lost two centers, lost any chance of peace with the
Italian and I look like a fool in front of all the other powers. Frankly,
at this point, I think Eric pretty much deserves the solo, and I'm still
angry enough to do what I can to hand it to him -- my chances of even
drawing are gone, thanks to your moves. Maybe I'll change my mind in the
next few days.
Vacate Bel and/or Hol, and I might change my mind. That's about the only
thing I can think of at this point.
I'll still listen to your reasoning, though, so feel free to try to
convince me otherwise.
Erik
Message from Germany to England
I never give up, but I have to wait for the right moment. Basically there is
nothing we can do if France doesnt join in.
Try and sway him. I have only lied since day one to him ;-)
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
> Andy -
> > Or as my tshirt say....smokes crack and worships Satan...
> You have a tshirt about Eric Goodman?
No..but I do own a shirt that says "Smoke Crack and Worship Satan"..its a
big hit depending on where you where it..
> Andy, I'm in big friggin trouble. I need a Turkish stab of Russia to stop a
> Russian solo - Germany will get none of my dots, they will be eaten from
> behind by Russia, who will also get HOL/EDI etc. What will you be doing,
> and what should I be doing.
First of all....stop panicing.
You are in alot better shape than you think.
Builds are going to be critical this turn. Lets see what the Russian
builds, and go from there. If we see a fleet on the NC, then we are in a
bit more of a spot, but not horrible. Turkey wasnt supposed to take RUM.
So I am continuing to sow the seeds of desent.
take care
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> > Andy, I'm in big friggin trouble. I need a Turkish stab of Russia to
stop a
> > Russian solo - Germany will get none of my dots, they will be eaten from
> > behind by Russia, who will also get HOL/EDI etc. What will you be
doing,
> > and what should I be doing.
>
> First of all....stop panicing.
pant - pant
Ok. Done.
> You are in alot better shape than you think.
Good.
> Builds are going to be critical this turn. Lets see what the Russian
> builds, and go from there. If we see a fleet on the NC, then we are in a
> bit more of a spot, but not horrible. Turkey wasnt supposed to take RUM.
> So I am continuing to sow the seeds of desent.
Good luck. I am not so sure as you RUM wasn't a center swap, considering I
knew about it ahead of time.
Ben
Message from France to all
Happy holidays to all. Except for Ben, who's clearly a slanderous,
treacherous toad, what with his accusations of Satanism and all.
And for the commentators, I swear I will be more enlightening in the new
year.
Erik
Message from France to England
Since we clearly have much discussion, I should tell you that I will be
retreating to Pic. That doesn't necessarily mean I'll keep it there (I
have a disband coming), but since you're pretty high on my sh*tlist right
now, I'd like to keep my options open. Just thought I'd warn you ahead of
time.
Enjoy the lump of coal I've had special delivered to your stocking ;).
Erik
France: Army Belgium → Picardy
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