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Message from Italy to Russia
> What, me conservative? :)
>
> Odd, I didn't ever see that message from you. Something still odd with my
> email, I guess. That's worrisome.
I guess.
> Clearly I tend to focus on things like: Bla-Rum, Con S Bul, Bul S Bla-Rum,
> which would cost me a fleet in the south. But you may be right that it's past
> time for conservatism.
Its been past it for about 2 years.
Do you think this is his move set.
> I'll look your move suggestions over in more detail later, but in general I
> can go for being more aggressive.
> If I'm going to b chancy, something I might consider in the north is Swe H,
> StP-Mos and assume that Swe gets retreated. Ben has suggested not taking StP
> (i.e., not moving to Bar) if I agree to disband Swe when it's hit. If he does
> move west, and if I disband Swe, it gives me more chances to build in the
> south. Of course, I'd be screwed if he moved to StP and didn't hit Swe.
You dont need more units in the south, you need them in the middle of the
board.
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Is it your intention to undermine Jason? Please don't.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben...
> Is it your intention to undermine Jason? Please don't.
>
God knows I dont want to. But Erik isnt giving me alot of choice here.
He wont return press and he has told me 3 times in the past that he doesnt
care if he dies, as long as I die with him....that isnt alot of incentive
to help Jason. Always good to have a guy who is metagaming and has a
grudge at your back.
What do you suggest I do, just roll over and die, I cant help Jason if I
dont have units, which is what Erik is trying to cause.
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
>> Clearly I tend to focus on things like: Bla-Rum, Con S Bul,
>> Bul S Bla-Rum, which would cost me a fleet in the south. But
>> you may be right that it's past time for conservatism.
>
> Its been past it for about 2 years.
But tell me what you really think. :)
> Do you think this (Con S Bul, Bul S Bla-Rum) is his move set.
Not necessarily. My first look just tends to focus on what is not
counter-able, which is where that thinking came from. I often get a sense of
what I think another player is going to do, and that's when I tend to be
chancier (as I did Fall '05). Thinking about it perhaps he'd be more likely
to order something like Ank-Arm, Bla S Ank-Arm, Con S Bla/Bul. Your orders
would cost me the fleet in Arm to that moveset, but that's not necessarily a
bad thing, I'd still have plenty of units to hold Sev.
I could also see leaving Sev open in Spring to protect the fleet. Something
like your moves but with Arm-Bla and Ukr hold or support Gal-Rum (to counter
the possible Bul-Rum, Bla S Bul-Rum). This allows either fleet to retreat to
Sev (if he attacks Rum or Arm). If we manage to disband the army in Bul, then
in Fall I could attack Bla while you take Aeg (setting up to take Con or
Smy). The only really bad situation is him convoying Bul-Bla-Sev, but with
StP-Mos even that's not even a disaster.
What do you think?
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
[I never saw a confirmation of this, so here's a late resend.]
> What are these 3 projects and are you an engineer or management or both.
I find it hard to believe anyone would care! Just remember: you asked. :)
These days I do very little hands on engineering (sysadmining or programming)
and more technical project management. I do lots of coordination/arbitration
between different technical teams and service providers. I'm not sure whether
that makes Diplomacy good practice for my job, or vice-versa. :)
Project #1 is planning and overseeing the implementation of an identity
management system for the campus. [Spam/note to observers: Anyone that's got
experience in IdM systems and lives or wants to live in the Santa Cruz area,
go to "http://jobs.ucsc.edu/jobpostings/", select "Computing and Information
Technology" jobs and apply.]
Project #2 is managing a small part of a new PeopleSoft implementation for
the campus. [Spam #2 for observers: This project is also hiring. If you are a
PeopleSoft developer, apply for that one at the same URL.]
Project #3 is managing a part of the campus "IT Tranformation Program". Uh,
how to explain? Basically campus management has decided that IT support on
campus is too fragmented and decentralized, so we're changing to a more
centralized/consolidated organization. My part of project is defining what it
will take ($$$, people, service descriptions, resources, funding, job
descriptions, etc.) to make the change happen in one specific service area.
So what kind of business is it that brings you out to SF?
--- Eric
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> What do you suggest I do, just roll over and die, I cant help Jason if I
> dont have units, which is what Erik is trying to cause.
We are in a terrible spot. You for survival, me for getting into a draw.
All I wanted was for you not to take any more dots from Jason and to do
what you can - however little it is, I know you are not without skills - to
maintain some balance of power in the East.
Good luck.
I am considering heading for position in the spring - BAR, BAL, a NWY, etc,
and saving the shots at SWE and STP for the fall. Gives me a better chance
- indeed an excellent chance - to lock up BER.
Ben
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> So what kind of business is it that brings you out to SF?
>
I sell data storage solutions for a living, mostly to the Feds, I will be
there to see NASA Ames and NASA JPL in LA.
Message from Italy to England
> Andy -
> > What do you suggest I do, just roll over and die, I cant help Jason if I
> > dont have units, which is what Erik is trying to cause.
> We are in a terrible spot. You for survival, me for getting into a draw.
I would agree, and if you dont think that Erik will be attacking you with
the builds he gets from me, you are fooling yourself.
> All I wanted was for you not to take any more dots from Jason and to do
> what you can - however little it is, I know you are not without skills - to
> maintain some balance of power in the East.
I cant with the French all over me like a mormon missionary with an amway
franchise.
I would love to work with Jason, Erik is making that impossible.n
> Good luck.
>
I
am considering heading for position in the spring - BAR, BAL, a NWY, etc,
> and saving the shots at SWE and STP for the fall. Gives me a better chance
> - indeed an excellent chance - to lock up BER.
True...but doing so you would have BER protected at least short term.
I think that would be a decent idea, as good as any other from my
position.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
> >> Clearly I tend to focus on things like: Bla-Rum, Con S Bul,
> >> Bul S Bla-Rum, which would cost me a fleet in the south. But
> >> you may be right that it's past time for conservatism.
> > Its been past it for about 2 years.
>
> But tell me what you really think. :)
:-)
> > Do you think this (Con S Bul, Bul S Bla-Rum) is his move set.
>
> Not necessarily. My first look just tends to focus on what is not
> counter-able, which is where that thinking came from. I often get a sense of
> what I think another player is going to do, and that's when I tend to be
> chancier (as I did Fall '05). Thinking about it perhaps he'd be more likely
> to order something like Ank-Arm, Bla S Ank-Arm, Con S Bla/Bul. Your orders
> would cost me the fleet in Arm to that moveset, but that's not necessarily a
> bad thing, I'd still have plenty of units to hold Sev.
Or.....if you really think that is his move, we counter it....
Arm - Bla
Ukr - Sev
Rum s Arm - Bla
Bud - Ser
Gre - Bul
you get the black sea and both Rum and Sev are protected. And you can
support either of us into Bul in the fall.
> I could also see leaving Sev open in Spring to protect the fleet. Something
> like your moves but with Arm-Bla and Ukr hold or support Gal-Rum (to counter
> the possible Bul-Rum, Bla S Bul-Rum). This allows either fleet to retreat to
> Sev (if he attacks Rum or Arm). If we manage to disband the army in Bul, then
> in Fall I could attack Bla while you take Aeg (setting up to take Con or
> Smy). The only really bad situation is him convoying Bul-Bla-Sev, but with
> StP-Mos even that's not even a disaster.
Well....I just got some intel from Ben, but I dont know if he is actually
just testing me or not, he is talking about positioning this turn and
taking dots in the fall...
he says he wants to convoy to NWY and move to Baltic and Barents I dont
know if I believe him or not.
What do you think.
Message from Russia to Italy
> Or.....if you really think that is his move, we counter it....
>
> Arm - Bla
> Ukr - Sev
> Rum s Arm - Bla
> Bud - Ser
> Gre - Bul
Well, if I were him, I'd want to make one of the following:
Attack Arm
1a) Ank-Arm, Bla S Ank-Arm, Bul-Rum, Con S Bla
Takes Arm unless Rum-Bla
1b) Bla-Arm, Ank S Bla-Arm, Bul-Rum, Con-Bla
Guarantees dislodging Arm
Attack Rum from the sea
2a) Bla-Rum, Bul S Bla-Rum, Ank-Arm, Con-Bla (or Ank S Con-Bla)
Takes Rum if Rum is unsupported, protects Bla, fails if Gre-Bul
or Gre S Rum-Bul
2b) Bla-Rum, Bul S Bla-Rum, Ank-Arm, Con S Bul
Takes Rum if Rum is unsupported, cedes Bla, fails if Gre-Bul
(but works if Gre S Rum-Bul)
If I were him, I'd want to make move #2a. But given that Gre-Bul happened
last season, it would depend on whether he thinks that was a one-time attack.
Any attack on Arm cedes Bul in the above scenarios.
Other, less optimal choices if he expects IT cooperation:
Attack Arm conservatively:
3a) Ank-Arm, Bla S Ank-Arm, Con S Bul, Bul H
3b) Ank S Bla-Arm, Bla-Arm, Con S Bul, Bul H
Attack Rum by land
4) Bul-Rum, Bla S Bul-Rum, Ank-Arm, Con-Bla
Takes Rum if nothing moves to Bla
I think you are right, Bud-Ser is likely to succeed no matter how you look at
it. And I think I agree that Gre S Rum-Bul is the right choice for the Spring
attack. The only question I have is whether to leave Sev open for a possible
retreat in case I'm out guessed. I guess it comes down to: What's the
advantage of having A Sev in Fall, and is that enough to risk losing a fleet
for?
> Well....I just got some intel from Ben, but I dont know if he is actually
> just testing me or not, he is talking about positioning this turn and
> taking dots in the fall...
>
> he says he wants to convoy to NWY and move to Baltic and Barents I dont
> know if I believe him or not.
>
> What do you think.
That conflicts strongly with what he's telling me, but at this point, I don't
know that it makes any sense to trust what I'm hearing from him.
He's definitely set up to convoy to Nwy, and Ber-Bal, Hol-Kie would allow him
to convoy to Lvn or Pru, which is pretty damned ugly for me. I don't think
that (him coming after me) really changes my moves, though.
What's your take on the above? I'm specifically interested in your take on
leaving Sev open while attacking Rum, though I'll take any input you have to
offer.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
Its spring....I am sharing too much here, but here goes...
I position in spring and take dots in fall.
He is in a fairly pinned position....
He might do something as simple as
Ank - Arm
Bla s Ank - Arm
Con s Bul
Bul h
Bul cant be taken and he blows up your fleet and guarntees himself SEV in
the fall. Which at worst, keeps him even.
> Attack Arm 1a) Ank-Arm, Bla S Ank-Arm, Bul-Rum, Con S Bla
> Takes Arm unless Rum-Bla
> 1b) Bla-Arm, Ank S Bla-Arm, Bul-Rum, Con-Bla
> Guarantees dislodging Arm
>
> Attack Rum from the sea
> 2a) Bla-Rum, Bul S Bla-Rum, Ank-Arm, Con-Bla (or Ank S Con-Bla)
> Takes Rum if Rum is unsupported, protects Bla, fails if Gre-Bul
> or Gre S Rum-Bul
> 2b) Bla-Rum, Bul S Bla-Rum, Ank-Arm, Con S Bul
> Takes Rum if Rum is unsupported, cedes Bla, fails if Gre-Bul
> (but works if Gre S Rum-Bul)
>
> If I were him, I'd want to make move #2a. But given that Gre-Bul happened
> last season, it would depend on whether he thinks that was a one-time attack.
> Any attack on Arm cedes Bul in the above scenarios.
If I am him, I am doing 1a...it keeps control of the BLA, which should be
paramount for him. Its his only REAL line of defense against you. And
positions for a sure center in the fall.
But I dont know if he is experienced enough to understand that.
> Other, less optimal choices if he expects IT cooperation:
>
> Attack Arm conservatively:
> 3a) Ank-Arm, Bla S Ank-Arm, Con S Bul, Bul H
> 3b) Ank S Bla-Arm, Bla-Arm, Con S Bul, Bul H
>
> Attack Rum by land
> 4) Bul-Rum, Bla S Bul-Rum, Ank-Arm, Con-Bla
> Takes Rum if nothing moves to Bla
>
> I think you are right, Bud-Ser is likely to succeed no matter how you look at
> it. And I think I agree that Gre S Rum-Bul is the right choice for the Spring
> attack. The only question I have is whether to leave Sev open for a possible
> retreat in case I'm out guessed. I guess it comes down to: What's the
> advantage of having A Sev in Fall, and is that enough to risk losing a fleet
> for?
If it pops it pops....we rebuild it up north in the Winter.
> > Well....I just got some intel from Ben, but I dont know if he is actually
> > just testing me or not, he is talking about positioning this turn and
> > taking dots in the fall...
> >
> > he says he wants to convoy to NWY and move to Baltic and Barents I dont
> > know if I believe him or not.
> >
> > What do you think.
>
> That conflicts strongly with what he's telling me, but at this point, I don't
> know that it makes any sense to trust what I'm hearing from him.
What did he tell you.
> He's definitely set up to convoy to Nwy, and Ber-Bal, Hol-Kie would allow him
> to convoy to Lvn or Pru, which is pretty damned ugly for me. I don't think
> that (him coming after me) really changes my moves, though.
I expect DEN - BAL, Berlin can be walked into from Silesia.
>
> What's your take on the above? I'm specifically interested in your take on
> leaving Sev open while attacking Rum, though I'll take any input you have to
> offer.
I think that if they guess right and pop the fleet in Armenia, we rebuild
it in the north, as you will be gaining and losing 1, with the destroyed
unit we get a rebuild.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
Have we decided what we are doing, and are your orders in yet??
Message from Italy to Russia
Hellooooooooo Eric...
which plan are we going with...
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
You have been way too quiet lately....WAY too quiet...
Here are my moves, I will likely be out until past the deadline.
Andy
Movement orders for Spring of 1907. (c2.027)
Italy: Army Tuscany SUPPORT Army Trieste -> Venice.
Italy: Fleet Apulia -> Naples.
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea -> Tunis.
Italy: Army Trieste -> Venice.
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Russian Fleet Rumania -> Bulgaria (east coast).
Time to deadline: 0 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes, and 39 seconds.
Time to grace period expiration: 4 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes, and 39 seconds.
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
You are correct, I have been way too quiet. I only had time on the computer
last night for a short time, and it was an ugly oversight that I did not mail
you. (That said, I haven't sent any c2-related mail since the last message
you had from me, so I haven't been out plotting against you either).
I will be moving in accordance with the moves we discussed. I may or may not
cover Sev (I'm waffling), but other than than, I will be taking your support
to Bul and following through on what we discussed in general.
--- Eric
England: Fleet Berlin HOLD
England: Fleet Denmark → Baltic Sea
England: Army Edinburgh → Norwegian Sea → Norway
England: Army Holland → Kiel
England: Fleet London → North Sea
England: Fleet Norway → Barents Sea
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea CONVOY Army Edinburgh → Norway
England: Fleet Skagerrak SUPPORT Army Edinburgh → Norway
France: Army Belgium HOLD
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon SUPPORT Army Piedmont → Tuscany
France: Army Marseilles → Piedmont
France: Army Piedmont → Tuscany
France: Fleet Tunis SUPPORT Fleet Western Mediterranean → Tyrrhenian Sea (*cut*)
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean → Tyrrhenian Sea
Italy: Fleet Apulia → Naples
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Russian Fleet Rumania → Bulgaria (east coast)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Tunis (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Trieste → Venice
Italy: Army Tuscany SUPPORT Army Trieste → Venice (*cut, dislodged*)
Russia: Fleet Armenia → Black Sea (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Budapest → Serbia
Russia: Army Galicia → Rumania
Russia: Fleet Rumania → Bulgaria (east coast)
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Army St Petersburg → Moscow
Russia: Army Sweden → Finland
Russia: Army Tyrolia → Munich
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Army Galicia → Rumania
Russia: Army Vienna → Tyrolia
Turkey: Fleet Ankara SUPPORT Fleet Black Sea
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria (*cut*)
Turkey: Army Bulgaria HOLD (*dislodged*)
Turkey: Fleet Constantinople → Aegean Sea
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