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Message from Turkey to Italy
Orders are in for me - taking Ser and trying to keep Russia out of Ank.
France will try for Mun. If we can take 4 centers from Russia between
everyone (certainly possible), we'll be in much better shape.
jason
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
You have a problem. They are all going to attack you, and they seem like
they have fairly good coordination.
This is what I think is the best set of orders for both of us....
You...
A NWY s A SWE
A SWE s F HEL - DEN
F HEL - DEN
A SIL - MUN
A BOH - VIE
A TYR s A BOH - VIE
A GAL s A SER - BUD
A SER - BUD
A UKR s F SEV - RUM
F SEV - RUM
F ARM - SEV
My moves
F GRE - BUL(SC)
F ALB - ION
F ADR - APU
A TRI - SER
A PIE is either going to Tus or holding
This is based on these things...
The Turk telling me he is supporting Rum - Ser
Ben being so damn conservative up north, its the best chance to
only lose one of the 3.
I think it gets you back BUD, RUM and maybe Denmark.
Protects SER and Munich.
And gets you Vienna...
I will hopefully stay even
Andy
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Orders are in for me - taking Ser and trying to keep Russia out of Ank.
> France will try for Mun. If we can take 4 centers from Russia between
> everyone (certainly possible), we'll be in much better shape.
Jason,
What do you suggest I do in order to get the French to not attack me.
He seems dead set on the idea.
Andy
Message from Turkey to Italy
That, frankly, is a good question. He told me he only really wants Tun
and Nap, but that doesn't mean anything. Since he sees himself bottled
up everywhere else, I'm not sure where else we can direct him.
Hopefully, after this turn, your fleets will be more released to hold
him off. At least trading Tun for Tri keeps you even.
jason
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
DEN - SWE sb SKA and
NTH - NWY sb NWG
assures NWY + (DEN or SWE)correct? I can't imagine Eric would try for NTH -
I don't think even if he got it, it would help him.
Nothing I can do about France right now; I had hoped for a Russian disband &
pressed pretty hard for it. Oh well. Next year I should have a build & the
timing will I hope be good enough.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> DEN - SWE sb SKA and
> NTH - NWY sb NWG
> assures NWY + (DEN or SWE)correct? I can't imagine Eric would try for NTH -
> I don't think even if he got it, it would help him.
This is a solid set of moves.
> Nothing I can do about France right now; I had hoped for a Russian disband &
> pressed pretty hard for it. Oh well. Next year I should have a build & the
> timing will I hope be good enough.
I understand.
Good luck.
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> > DEN - SWE sb SKA and
> > NTH - NWY sb NWG
> > assures NWY + (DEN or SWE)correct? I can't imagine Eric
> would try for NTH -
> > I don't think even if he got it, it would help him.
>
> This is a solid set of moves.
>
> > Nothing I can do about France right now; I had hoped for a
> Russian disband &
> > pressed pretty hard for it. Oh well. Next year I should
> have a build & the
> > timing will I hope be good enough.
>
> I understand.
>
> Good luck.
Thank you.
My schedule at work is now, 9 pm to 9 am, two days on, three days off.
I have been at work for 11 hours now.
I am ready to die. But your kind words give me the strength I will need, to
get home & collapse 60 minutes from now.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> > > DEN - SWE sb SKA and
> > > NTH - NWY sb NWG
> > > assures NWY + (DEN or SWE)correct? I can't imagine Eric
> > would try for NTH -
> > > I don't think even if he got it, it would help him.
> >
> > This is a solid set of moves.
> >
> > > Nothing I can do about France right now; I had hoped for a
> > Russian disband &
> > > pressed pretty hard for it. Oh well. Next year I should
> > have a build & the
> > > timing will I hope be good enough.
> >
> > I understand.
> >
> > Good luck.
> Thank you.
>
> My schedule at work is now, 9 pm to 9 am, two days on, three days off.
>
> I have been at work for 11 hours now.
>
> I am ready to die. But your kind words give me the strength I will need, to
> get home & collapse 60 minutes from now.
Ben,
What do you do??
>
Message from England to Italy
> What do you do??
Not a firefighter at the station, or shift work at the local steel mill. I'm a prosecutor.
In Baltimore my office does charging 24 hours a day, and I'm on six months of night duty at the jail. I volunteered - no regrets - except right now, at 8 a.m. after a night of work.
I'll get plenty of time to myself, and occasional change is a good thing.
*snore*
Ben
Message from Russia to Italy
> Eric...what the hell do you do for a university that keeps you in
> meetings this way?
:)
I guess I'd call it MIS. I'm involved in three projects that each suck up a
very significant amount of time. The meeting overload is a fairly new thing
-- started in late December and looks to continue through mid Feb at least --
as two of the projects are ramping up at the same time. If I had seen it
coming, I probably wouldn't have signed up for this game. Some of the
meetings are your typical management "planning and review" meetings (though I
like to think that at least some of them they're more productive than the
Dilbert satires) some are more working meeting, and there's lots of things
like meetings with vendors or job applicants that are taking lots of time
recently. In the next two weeks alone, I have eight four hour meetings on my
schedule before I even take into account the various 1-2 hour ones on the
calendar.
Certainly helps me appreciate my free time.
On to the game.
The moves you spell out in the north seem like the obvious ones to me. I'd
planned on just tapping Mun all along. I guess I could do Sil-Ber in the
hopes that Ben takes Bal, but that seems unlikely.
In the south, I had assumed that AT would not be cooperating. I know Philippe
has felt very isolated, and I've been trying to keep him alive while he still
has the forward armies in the hopes that he might continue to focus on you
and/or Jason. So the moves I was thinking of for the south are somewhat
different than what you proposed, primarily because I thought I might be able
to wrangle agreement for Bud S Ser. But that was more of an issue if I'm
worried about your moves.
If Bud is actually supporting Rum-Ser (which certainly would make sense) or
even not worried about Ser, then your moves look pretty darn good. If I can
get Bud focused elsewhere and I know that Rum is heading to Ser, then I might
also consider trying to force Bla (Sev S Arm-Bla). If we think that Con will
support Bla or cover Ank, then Gre S Ser-Bul would be interesting too, and
allow us to drop Turkey a lot faster (which might get you some builds in the
meantime if necessary). And that's probably the most piggish move set I can
come up with. :)
What do you think about the likelihood of any of those?
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
Ack. Got too far down the "in my head" stack on those move musings. Gal isn't
available both to support a move to Rum and to tap Bud, so taking Bla isn't
really viable. That means that to take Bul or not and what to do if Austria
offers Bud S Ser (and I choose to believe him) are the only questions.
The advantage of taking Bul, as noted, is that it allows support into Con and
leaves two non-RI units that cannot support one another.
The advantage of taking Vie and Bud is that it allows you to move all of your
units west, since I'm the only one left with units behind you at that point.
Stated that way, I'd say taking Vie and Bud sounds like the better way to go,
but your input is still appreciated.
Also, in the north I realized I spoke too soon. Other options are Hel S
Swe-Den, Nwy-Swe (risks Nwg-Bar), or Swe S Nwy, Hel-Den/Nth. Nwy S Swe is
largely a symbolic move. I expect to lose two, not just one, in the north.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
> > Eric...what the hell do you do for a university that keeps you in
> > meetings this way?
>
> :)
>
> I guess I'd call it MIS. I'm involved in three projects that each suck up a
> very significant amount of time.
What are these 3 projects and are you an engineer or management or both.
> On to the game.
>
> The moves you spell out in the north seem like the obvious ones to me. I'd
> planned on just tapping Mun all along. I guess I could do Sil-Ber in the
> hopes that Ben takes Bal, but that seems unlikely.
Burgandy is moving to Munich. You need to bounce it.
> In the south, I had assumed that AT would not be cooperating. I know Philippe
> has felt very isolated, and I've been trying to keep him alive while he still
> has the forward armies in the hopes that he might continue to focus on you
> and/or Jason.
They both sent me independent messages saying taht they were *stopping
Eric/Russia from growing* and *hopefully take 4 dots*
So the moves I was thinking of for the south are somewhat
> different than what you proposed, primarily because I thought I might be able
> to wrangle agreement for Bud S Ser. But that was more of an issue if I'm
> worried about your moves.
Which you are not, or shouldnt be.
> If Bud is actually supporting Rum-Ser (which certainly would make sense) or
> even not worried about Ser, then your moves look pretty darn good. If I can
> get Bud focused elsewhere and I know that Rum is heading to Ser, then I might
> also consider trying to force Bla (Sev S Arm-Bla).
I would do it the other way. If that is what you are going to do....leave
SEV open for a build if you are lucky.
If
we think that Con will
> support Bla or cover Ank, then Gre S Ser-Bul would be interesting too, and
> allow us to drop Turkey a lot faster (which might get you some builds in the
> meantime if necessary).
This is also a possibility. But I think CON will support BUL and BLA will
cover.
And that's probably the most piggish move set I can
> come up with. :)
>
> What do you think about the likelihood of any of those?
I think the previous moves are better than this because they are the most
random and they get the most centers back for you, and allow you to launch
and more concerted attack next year.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
> Ack. Got too far down the "in my head" stack on those move musings. Gal isn't
> available both to support a move to Rum and to tap Bud, so taking Bla isn't
> really viable. That means that to take Bul or not and what to do if Austria
> offers Bud S Ser (and I choose to believe him) are the only questions.
That is why my moves indicated
SEV - RUM w/UKR support and ARM - SEV
I think the way that they will protect RUM is by BUD - GAL and BLA - SEV
> The advantage of taking Bul, as noted, is that it allows support into Con and
> leaves two non-RI units that cannot support one another.
>
> The advantage of taking Vie and Bud is that it allows you to move all of your
> units west, since I'm the only one left with units behind you at that point.
>
> Stated that way, I'd say taking Vie and Bud sounds like the better way to go,
> but your input is still appreciated.
I agree with your analysis on this.
> Also, in the north I realized I spoke too soon. Other options are Hel S
> Swe-Den, Nwy-Swe (risks Nwg-Bar), or Swe S Nwy, Hel-Den/Nth. Nwy S Swe is
> largely a symbolic move. I expect to lose two, not just one, in the north.
I think that Hel s SWE - DEN and NWY - SWE is the way to go....good catch.
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
Ack! Today was my one relatively meeting-free day all week, and it was busier
than most (I will answer that question you asked when I've got more time). At
this point I think I'm happy with the moves you outlined. I may tweak them
some if I come up with any brilliant plans. Then my last brilliant plan
(Sev-Arm, Rum-Sev) was significantly underwhelming in the end, so perhaps
it's better if I don't. :)
--- Eric
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
What gives with Austria? Was that coordinated with you?
Ben
Message from Italy to England
>
> Andy -
> What gives with Austria? Was that coordinated with you?
No...and he isnt talking to me.
Message from Italy to Russia
So...are we doing my moves or not...or some vairation...let me know.
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
In that last message, I meant that we're good. I won't do anything that will
screw up your moves. The "brilliant ideas" I referred to were around whether
or not I can convince Austria to make moves (and me to believe that he will)
that might allow me to use a support to attack Bla -- I don't see changing
anything that affects your moves.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> In that last message, I meant that we're good. I won't do anything that will
> screw up your moves. The "brilliant ideas" I referred to were around whether
> or not I can convince Austria to make moves (and me to believe that he will)
> that might allow me to use a support to attack Bla -- I don't see changing
> anything that affects your moves.
But are you going to leave me swinging int he breeze after I am covering
your ass this turn....:-)
I think my fleets will be important to you in the south...
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
> But are you going to leave me swinging int he breeze after I am covering
> your ass this turn....:-)
I have no motivation to leave you swinging. If I did, there's not a single
ally left for me the rest of the game, regardless of its shape (yourself
included).
>I think my fleets will be important to you in the south...
Damned straight. There's no way either of us can beat France to Tun alone,
and if he ends up there, then he's got the best shot at a solo among those of
us remaining. I don't want that any more than you do.
--- Eric
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Vienna → Trieste (*cut, destroyed*)
Austria: Army Vienna → Trieste (*bounce, destroyed*)
England: Fleet Berlin → Kiel (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Denmark → Sweden (*bounce*)
England: Army Holland → Kiel (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea → Norway
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea SUPPORT Fleet North Sea → Norway
England: Fleet Skagerrak SUPPORT Fleet Denmark → Sweden
France: Army Belgium HOLD
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon SUPPORT Army Marseilles → Piedmont
France: Army Marseilles → Piedmont
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Western Mediterranean
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean → Tunis
Italy: Fleet Adriatic Sea → Apulia
Italy: Fleet Albania → Ionian Sea
Italy: Fleet Greece → Bulgaria (south coast) (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Piedmont → Tuscany
Italy: Army Trieste → Serbia (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Armenia → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Bohemia → Vienna
Russia: Army Galicia SUPPORT Army Serbia → Budapest
Russia: Fleet Helgoland Bight SUPPORT Army Sweden → Denmark
Russia: Army Norway → Sweden (*bounce, dislodged*)
Russia: Army Serbia → Budapest
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Russia: Army Silesia → Munich (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Sweden → Denmark (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Tyrolia SUPPORT Army Bohemia → Vienna
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Rumania → Serbia (*cut*)
Turkey: Fleet Constantinople → Ankara
Turkey: Army Rumania → Serbia (*bounce, destroyed*)
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