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Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
Sorry again for the horrendous communication last season. The week got
suddenly very busy in meetings and after-work commitments. Still, I'm glad
we had the time earlier in the week to discuss the moves in such detail.
Obviously I should have gone ahead and covered Sev, because then Arm would
be perfectly safe. Not sure what your thinking is, but I was thinking Arm S
Bul-Bla, Ser-Bul (Gre/Rum support). There's a decent chance of grabbing Bla
with those moves.
I'm more worried about the north, where Ben is set up to convoy into Lvn or
Pru. Perhaps I should have taken your advice and walked into Ber, though
I'm not sure I could hold it if I did. As you say, I definitely need more
armies there.
I'm around a bit this weekend. I suspect Monday is going to be as hellish
as the last couple of days, so hopefully I won't annoy you too much with my
sporadic availability.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
> Sorry again for the horrendous communication last season. The week got
> suddenly very busy in meetings and after-work commitments. Still, I'm glad
> we had the time earlier in the week to discuss the moves in such detail.
No problem it happens to all of us.
I am going to ask for an extension while I am on travel, as its pretty
important that we speak regularly, and I wont have great connectivity.
> Obviously I should have gone ahead and covered Sev, because then Arm would
> be perfectly safe. Not sure what your thinking is, but I was thinking Arm S
> Bul-Bla, Ser-Bul (Gre/Rum support). There's a decent chance of grabbing Bla
> with those moves.
Moreso, you CANNOT crack Turkey without an army on the back side...ie in
Armenia.
I agree....and I think we should do it. Send UKR - SEV now.
> I'm more worried about the north, where Ben is set up to convoy into Lvn or
> Pru. Perhaps I should have taken your advice and walked into Ber, though
> I'm not sure I could hold it if I did. As you say, I definitely need more
> armies there.
if you think he is going to convoy to LVN you need to take Berlin and
cover Munich. If not, Tyrolia needs to support Venice.
But I need to know ahead of time because it drastically affects my moves.
> I'm around a bit this weekend. I suspect Monday is going to be as hellish
> as the last couple of days, so hopefully I won't annoy you too much with my
> sporadic availability.
I worked 103 hours last week. And this week looks worse since I am
travelling the following week.
I understand.
Andy
Message from Italy to Germany
Greg,
Can I get an extension from 2/17 - 2/24
I will be travelling with limited access.
thanks
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
What I have so far is a request from France to move Tyl-Tri and Ser-Gre to
pick up a quick build and try to sneak Gre, while getting him builds in the
north. That would indicate that he's thinking of Tys-Rom, and I'd guess Tun
S Lyo-Tys to cut support for Ven. If *that's* the case, then Ven S Tyl-Pie
might be interesting.
Ben is a hard read -- especially hard because I haven't been communicating
with him much recently. I'll try to find out whether he plans to protect
Ber, since that drives the whole choice of defense, as you point out.
In the south, Jason is clearly suing for peace with me. His moves were
obviously meant to be non-threatening, and he even told me he wanted to
cooperate in advance. But since I was unavailable, and because his message
was poorly written (meaning, hard to understand) I think I can influence
his moves. All his press to me focuses on the EF threat. That might be an
indication he's just trying to point me elsewhere, but if he's really
worried about them, then he probably will not team up with France in the
short term, so a 3-strength attack on Ion is unlikely. I'll try to find out
more about his thinking if I can.
103 hours? Yuck. I don't count mine that carefully, but it was busy. In two
weeks it gets even more fun, as we have to move out of our house for 2-ish
weeks while we have some major work done. That probably means no network
access from home. Just what this game needs -- me even more unavailable. :(
I'll probably ask for an extension during that time, but see what I can do
to get orders in from the office before heading home.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
Andy,
>In the south, Jason is clearly suing for peace with me. His moves were
>obviously meant to be non-threatening, and he even told me he wanted to
>cooperate in advance. But since I was unavailable, and because his message
>was poorly written (meaning, hard to understand) I think I can influence
>his moves.
LOL! And then I write one just as confusing! I mean, he understood why I
made my attack despite him trying to sue for peace, so he's probably still
willing to cooperate (hence I can influence his moves).
--- Eric
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Protect yourself from Erik this year. Get Russian support if possible -
tell me if you don't think that support is coming.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> Protect yourself from Erik this year. Get Russian support if possible -
> tell me if you don't think that support is coming.
I dont think that support is coming.
Eric has told me what France is offering him, and to use his own words
from most of the begining of the game.
"Its a sweetheart deal that I couldnt really say no to."
Even though he says he will support me, I dont really believe him.
Andy
Message from Germany to Italy
As far as I am concerned you can have the break but it isnt my call :-) you
sent your request to me.
I have forwarded it to the GM.
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
Sorry I have been so quiet.
Busy and long weekend.
How are you approaching the north...
I know how I would do it, and in the past you have said that you will
gladly take tactical advice, I didnt know if that was still open since
the dynamics have changed...
As a sidenote...
Oh....Erik must really have it out for me...or he is just pissed at me
about other games...
have you ever heard of the backseat varient?
Message from Italy to Russia
> What I have so far is a request from France to move Tyl-Tri and Ser-Gre to
> pick up a quick build and try to sneak Gre, while getting him builds in the
> north. That would indicate that he's thinking of Tys-Rom, and I'd guess Tun
> S Lyo-Tys to cut support for Ven. If *that's* the case, then Ven S Tyl-Pie
> might be interesting.
No...if he is attacking from Piedmont I lose Venice and he bounces with
you in as he moves Mar - Pie
If you arent moving it to Munich, Tyrolia should support Venice.
> Ben is a hard read -- especially hard because I haven't been communicating
> with him much recently. I'll try to find out whether he plans to protect
> Ber, since that drives the whole choice of defense, as you point out.
Yes.
> In the south, Jason is clearly suing for peace with me. His moves were
> obviously meant to be non-threatening, and he even told me he wanted to
> cooperate in advance. But since I was unavailable, and because his message
> was poorly written (meaning, hard to understand) I think I can influence
> his moves. All his press to me focuses on the EF threat. That might be an
> indication he's just trying to point me elsewhere, but if he's really
> worried about them, then he probably will not team up with France in the
> short term, so a 3-strength attack on Ion is unlikely. I'll try to find out
> more about his thinking if I can.
I like the idea about getting to BLA and moving SER - BUL
but lets revisit it.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Sorry I have been so quiet.
It's fine, I think it's going around. The gallery must be annoyed at us.
> Busy and long weekend.
Mine's not over. . . Just got to work. ;-)
> How are you approaching the north...
Tough diplomatically - I'm contemplating convoying to HOL, as Erik has twice
sat in BEL instead of going to RUH.
> I know how I would do it, and in the past
> you have said that you will gladly take
> tactical advice, I didnt know if that was
> still open since the dynamics have changed...
I am *always* glad for advice.
> As a sidenote...
>
> Oh....Erik must really have it out for
> me...or he is just pissed at me about
> other games...
>
> have you ever heard of the backseat varient?
I laughed out loud when the players/coaches were revealed. I know *nothing*
about the performace of Italy in that game, except to say that as long as I
could remember, Italy had been (a) gone or (b) a non-factor. I didn't want
to write you about it until I'd actually looked it up.
Yes, I have heard of the backseat variant. ;-)
Right now I think Eric needs me to stab Erik more than he needs anything
else barring French intervention to get him into BER. So right now I have
something Eric wants, & my thinking is, use a springtime support for VEN as
leverage for my consideration of stabbing Erik. We'll see how it plays out.
But I can't have you collapse in a spray of glass if I attack Erik - how do
you see that playing out? Also, how do you see Jason fitting into that
equation?
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
> > Sorry I have been so quiet.
> It's fine, I think it's going around. The gallery must be annoyed at us.
>
They are.....but they are commentators...all the have is to be annoyed or
amused by us.
> > Busy and long weekend.
> Mine's not over. . . Just got to work. ;-)
I figured that...hence the mail.
> > How are you approaching the north...
> Tough diplomatically - I'm contemplating convoying to HOL, as Erik has twice
> sat in BEL instead of going to RUH.
Well...if you think that Erik is going to mess with you....
This is THE time to stab him.
He is 2 moves from the MAO and I can guarantee him no builds without
Eric's help and Eric has no reason to help him.
Yes...it eases off of Eric, but he isnt making headway in the north
ANYTIME soon. And if you can get Erik off of me, I can make the Russians
life a living hell.
NWG - NAO
NTH - ENG
BAR - NWY
NWY - SWE supported by SKA
KIE - HOL
BAL s BER
BER hold
The odds on him moving to Kiel are almost nothing, its his least likely
move on the board.
You get a build and are guaranteed at least one more in BRE. Especially if
you convoy the newly built army London there in spring and take the MAO in
the fall with NAO and ENG support.
> I am *always* glad for advice.
That is why I am giving it.
> > As a sidenote...
> >
> > Oh....Erik must really have it out for
> > me...or he is just pissed at me about
> > other games...
> >
> > have you ever heard of the backseat varient?
> I laughed out loud when the players/coaches were revealed. I know *nothing*
> about the performace of Italy in that game, except to say that as long as I
> could remember, Italy had been (a) gone or (b) a non-factor. I didn't want
> to write you about it until I'd actually looked it up.
Did you read my EOG??
>
> Right now I think Eric needs me to stab Erik more than he needs anything
> else barring French intervention to get him into BER.
But if you are attacking France, he will leave you alone. He wont even go
for Berlin....he has no reason to and I will make sure I convince him of
that.
So right now I have
> something Eric wants, & my thinking is, use a springtime support for VEN as
> leverage for my consideration of stabbing Erik.
I will work for that. You ask him to do the same.
We'll see how it plays out.
> But I can't have you collapse in a spray of glass if I attack Erik - how do
> you see that playing out?
Oh...if you do what I said above...I think we can work this.
Also, how do you see Jason fitting into that
> equation?
Jason is dead. I am hoping to get as much of him as I can, but he is
Eric's diversion while you kill Erik.
I would suggest that now is the time to strike.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> > > Busy and long weekend.
> > Mine's not over. . . Just got to work. ;-)
>
> I figured that...hence the mail.
Yeah - on days I'm not working I have more steady access, unless I'm
sleeping.
> This is THE time to stab him.
This phase, last phase was tempting, it's always tempting; like I told you,
we should beat him like a drum.
> > I am *always* glad for advice.
>
> That is why I am giving it.
Could I make a reservation to play with you in my next game, too, please?
> Did you read my EOG??
I have not had the time/energy to push through the bkseat5 press - most has
been deleted. If I'd seen it was your eog, you better believe I'd have read
it. Can you shoot me a copy?
> Oh...if you do what I said above...I think
> we can work this.
Can you expand on how you will do this? I know it's important to *you* that
I believe you can hold off Eric, and I can *absolutely* be persuaded, but I
need to be persuaded.
> Jason is dead. I am hoping to get as much
> of him as I can, but he is Eric's diversion
> while you kill Erik.
Hmm - I will need armies - do you envision throwing an A PIE in Erik's
direction in the foreseeable future?
> I would suggest that now is the time to strike.
As the gallery knows - I've been chomping at the bit. Indeed, one
thoughtful member of the gallery told the whole VG - perhaps you had the
restraint not to read. Indeed I'd decided not to read it myself, until I
later got a press a day or two later from Eric suggesting he'd seen it &
read it. Tough choice, but I couldn't risk others having read it &
presumably seen my private thoughts & not being prepared to defend myself.
Ben
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
I hope this is not too late -
I am writing Eric that I am *considering* attacking Erik but in all
likelihood it will never happen if he does not support you in VEN.
I think you would not tell him a stab may be as early as this phase, but I
write this note to discourage you, if you were planning on approaching him
that way.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
> > This is THE time to stab him.
> This phase, last phase was tempting, it's always tempting; like I told you,
> we should beat him like a drum.
I couldnt say it better.
> > > I am *always* glad for advice.
> > That is why I am giving it.
> Could I make a reservation to play with you in my next game, too,
please?
We can talk about that. But this far in advance that is meta-gaming and I
wont do it.
> > Did you read my EOG??
> I have not had the time/energy to push through the bkseat5 press - most has
> been deleted. If I'd seen it was your eog, you better believe I'd have read
> it. Can you shoot me a copy?
I will forward you a copy of the original and the followup...they are
short.
> > Oh...if you do what I said above...I think
> > we can work this.
> Can you expand on how you will do this? I know it's important to *you* that
> I believe you can hold off Eric, and I can *absolutely* be persuaded, but I
> need to be persuaded.
With the assumption that Eric supports me in Venice as he has promised.
VEN s ROM
ROM s VEN
NAP s ROM
ION - TYS
He cant take anything from me, he can force the ION if I dont use greece
to support it, but that just puts him farther from you.
Next spring, SKA - NTH, SWE - DEN and convoyed to BEL with HOL support.
> > Jason is dead. I am hoping to get as much
> > of him as I can, but he is Eric's diversion
> > while you kill Erik.
> Hmm - I will need armies - do you envision throwing an A PIE in Erik's
> direction in the foreseeable future?
Not a problem.
> > I would suggest that now is the time to strike.
> As the gallery knows - I've been chomping at the bit. Indeed, one
> thoughtful member of the gallery told the whole VG - perhaps you had the
> restraint not to read. Indeed I'd decided not to read it myself, until I
> later got a press a day or two later from Eric suggesting he'd seen it &
> read it. Tough choice, but I couldn't risk others having read it &
> presumably seen my private thoughts & not being prepared to defend myself.
>
I saw it and didnt read it.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
Ben...
> I hope this is not too late -
> I am writing Eric that I am *considering* attacking Erik but in all
> likelihood it will never happen if he does not support you in VEN.
>
This is excellent. I will tell him that he should support FIN - STP and
that will keep Sweden safe next year.
> I think you would not tell him a stab may be as early as this phase, but I
> write this note to discourage you, if you were planning on approaching him
> that way.
Not a chance, but its good to start thinking that way. Other people would
tell him.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
Well...I guess you know that I am talking to England, and that I am
trying to convince him to move on France.
I still think the move of Fin - Stp with support is the best move, just
in case he is lying to me.
Andy
Message from Italy to England
Ben...
This was my response to you.....that I accidently sent to Russia. I just
did it.....I want to shoot myself.
I can get Russia in line. You just stab the hell out of France, and I
will take care of it.
Ok.
> I hope this is not too late -
> I am writing Eric that I am *considering* attacking Erik but in all
> likelihood it will never happen if he does not support you in VEN.
This is excellent. I will tell him that he should support FIN - STP and
that will keep Sweden safe next year.
> I think you would not tell him a stab may be as early as this phase, but I
> write this note to discourage you, if you were planning on approaching him
> that way.
Not a chance, but its good to start thinking that way. Other people would
tell him.
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
>> Could I make a reservation to play with you in my next game, too,
>> please?
> We can talk about that. But this far in advance that is meta-gaming
> and I wont do it.
As much as I might actually like such a game - I was not serious. Still,
you were right to treat it seriously. . .
I will get to the rest of your notes after I read them. I wanted to get
this out post haste.
Ben
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> This was my response to you.....that I accidently sent to Russia. I
> just did it.....I want to shoot myself.
It happens. I'm being tested by the Diplomacy Gods. I don't think it's too
bad - the information content is lower than you might have thought, the
instant after you pulled the trigger. . .
Read it again - I don't think it tells him much he didn't know already (e.g.
I'm considering attacking France, perhaps soon).
Incidentally, the reason I asked you not to tell him, is it would give him
reason to put France in VEN, which I don't want.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> Read it again - I don't think it tells him much he didn't know already (e.g.
> I'm considering attacking France, perhaps soon).
I know and I have already sent him a followup note telling him that I was
serious about FIN and STP because I dont know if you are telling me the
truth.
> Incidentally, the reason I asked you not to tell him, is it would give him
> reason to put France in VEN, which I don't want.
Actually having me be alittle less pressured is a good thing for him. We
arent in a position to hurt each other. It would take me forever to get to
him right now.....3 turns from now when he is waist deep in Turkey...thats
a different story.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
If there's something urgent you would like see Turkey do, let me know.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Since Russia has been so quiet for the last 24 hours...
The last thing he and I talked about was dislodging BLA.
But I am not sure how he would do it......
So...supporting BLA from ANK would be his best bet.
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
I think I have the English moving away from you. You will lose Sweden, but
we knew that already, I think that STP is safe, but if I were you I would
support FIN - STP just to be safe.
I also think he will support BER in place, so if you could confirm you are
supporting VEN from TYR for me i would very much appreciate it. At least
for one turn to see if the English are blowing smoke up my ass.
So...Can I count on your support.
You have my support from SER - BUL
Andy
Message from Master to all
Players,
I'm extending the deadline due to a player's request.
Greg, GM
C2
Message from Germany to all
> I'm extending the deadline due to a player's request.>
This wasn't me. The last request I made was to have
the game reset to S1901M and it was refused.
I therefor no longer submit requests ;-)
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric...
Are you even going to talk to me at this point.
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
> [paraphrase] Are you even going to talk to me this turn?
It doesn't look like it, does it? :(
I'm assuming that the deadline did get extended -- I don't see the
confirmation of a deadline change, nor a message that I'm late. Just Greg's
message that he was going to, so I assume I'm not late.
Just like last season, I dropped off the face of the earth.
Anyway, in skimming my mailbox for c2-related messages, I don't see anything
that would cause me to change what we were discussing. I'm entering orders to
support Ven, and the whole Bul-Bla, Ser-Bul move set we discussed earlier.
Let me know if there's a reason not to do so. I'll probably also order a "for
show" attack on Ber, while backing off to defend StP. I'm hoping that Ben
does go after Erik, but I'm not sure if it was Erik with a K or Eric with a C
that he was referring to in his message to you. :)
Again, apologies for the delay. Orders will be in shortly after sending this
message.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
> It doesn't look like it, does it? :(
I just call them like I see them.
> I'm assuming that the deadline did get extended -- I don't see the
> confirmation of a deadline change, nor a message that I'm late. Just Greg's
> message that he was going to, so I assume I'm not late.
it did.
> Anyway, in skimming my mailbox for c2-related messages, I don't see anything
> that would cause me to change what we were discussing. I'm entering orders to
> support Ven, and the whole Bul-Bla, Ser-Bul move set we discussed earlier.
> Let me know if there's a reason not to do so. I'll probably also order a "for
> show" attack on Ber, while backing off to defend StP. I'm hoping that Ben
> does go after Erik, but I'm not sure if it was Erik with a K or Eric with a C
> that he was referring to in his message to you. :)
>
I am hoping I did a decent convincing job...but who knows...
Andy
Message from England to all
Greetings all.
My computer's been at the shop for two days. I thought I'd be able to get
my orders in tonight at work but I haven't been able to do it yet. I will
take care of it in a few hours but it will surely be after the deadline.
I will gladly consider any correspondence I get *before* the deadline.
Mea culpa.
Ben
England: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT Fleet Berlin
England: Fleet Barents Sea → Norway
England: Fleet Berlin HOLD
England: Army Kiel → Holland
England: Fleet North Sea → English Channel
England: Army Norway → Sweden
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea → North Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet Skagerrak SUPPORT Army Norway → Sweden
France: Army Belgium → Ruhr
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon SUPPORT Army Tuscany
France: Army Piedmont → Venice (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea
France: Army Tuscany SUPPORT Army Piedmont → Venice
France: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea SUPPORT Fleet Tunis → Ionian Sea
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Russian Army Serbia → Bulgaria
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Tunis (*bounce, dislodged*)
Italy: Fleet Naples SUPPORT Army Rome
Italy: Army Rome SUPPORT Army Venice
Italy: Army Venice SUPPORT Army Rome (*cut*)
Russia: Fleet Armenia SUPPORT Fleet Bulgaria (east coast) → Black Sea
Russia: Fleet Bulgaria (east coast) → Black Sea (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Finland → St Petersburg
Russia: Army Moscow SUPPORT Army Finland → St Petersburg
Russia: Army Munich → Berlin (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Rumania SUPPORT Army Serbia → Bulgaria
Russia: Army Serbia → Bulgaria (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Munich → Berlin
Russia: Army Tyrolia SUPPORT Italian Army Venice
Russia: Army Ukraine → Sevastopol
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Fleet Ankara SUPPORT Fleet Black Sea
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria (*bounce*)
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