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Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
Hopefully you will have time to chat, there are lots of things to do, and
this is the season that Turkey falls hard. And we get you moved to a more
forward position within France (ie...I support you to Tyrolia).
Look at this and tell me if I am insane...I dont think I am.
RUM - UKR
BUL - CON
BLA s BUL - CON
SER - BUL (to prevent AEG - BUL)
TYR - PIE or MUN (depends if you want to get into BER or MAR first)
ARM s EAS - SMY
MUN and SIL based on your chioce with TYR
GRE - AEG
EAS - SMY
VEN - PIE or s TYR - PIE depending on your choice.
ROM - TUS or NAP depending on your choice.
NAP - ION
I think it guarantees us at least 1 turkish dot, likely 2. It gets me a
build, which is a good thing for you so I can stop Ben from coming around
the horn.
How does this look to you...
I am now in the Bay area and look forward to meeting you on Friday.
take care
Andy
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
How ya doing. This is going splendidly.
I am in San Francisco for the rest of the week, so we may get to speak a
bit more while you are at work.
I have a suggestion that guarantees you 2 builds, and positions you for a
3rd.
How does this strike you....
NWY - BAR
NTH - NWY
BAL - BOT
BER and KIE support each other
HOL - BEL
ENG s HOL - BEL
BRE - PAR
MAO - BRE
Erik can protect Paris and lose BEL and BRE
or protect BEL and lose BRE and PAR
And it sets you up to take STP next spring. Unless you really want an army
in STP then you leave NTH in place and have it support HOL - BEL and
convoy the army to NWY in the spring.
How does this sound to you.
Andy
Message from Italy to France
Erik,
Well you are in a bit of a spot...but no unrecoverable
my suggested moves for you that cover the bases you can cover are
BUR - PAR
BEL h (likely retreats to RUH)
SPA - POR
MAR - SPA
PIE - MAR
WES - MAO or s TUN - NAF
TUN - NAF
I wont discuss disbands with you unless you want me to.
Or we can do it after the fall turn processess.
Hopefully Ben will get too big for his britches and we can hold him to 1
build.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> How ya doing. This is going splendidly.
Good, good.
> I am in San Francisco for the rest of the week, so we may get to speak a
> bit more while you are at work.
:-)
> I have a suggestion that guarantees you 2 builds, and positions you for a
> 3rd.
[snip]
> Erik can protect Paris and lose BEL and BRE
> or protect BEL and lose BRE and PAR
I like it and it's not greatly different from what I had in before. What
of the vulnerability to BER?
> And it sets you up to take STP next spring. Unless you really want an army
> in STP then you leave NTH in place and have it support HOL - BEL and
> convoy the army to NWY in the spring.
>
> How does this sound to you.
Sounds good. I'd appreciate your thoughts on BER.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben
BER s KIE
KIE s BER
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> BER s KIE
> KIE s BER
Heh. No, I meant the following season, in which F/R could force BER by
cutting KIE, which a suicidal Erik might do.
I'd be happier if I was wrong, which is why I'm asking.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
>
> I'd be happier if I was wrong, which is why I'm asking.
>
I think you should cross that bridge when we come to it.
Message from Turkey to Italy
Well, clearly our cooperation last turn didn't go so well. Perhaps we
should try again.
Now that France has left your front doorstep, maybe we could work to
push Russia back a little before he becomes the next France. If you
could cut Bul's support for an attack, that would be a good first step.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
>
> Well, clearly our cooperation last turn didn't go so well. Perhaps we
> should try again.
Now that I feel safe..yes we should
> Now that France has left your front doorstep, maybe we could work to
> push Russia back a little before he becomes the next France. If you
> could cut Bul's support for an attack, that would be a good first step.
how does this help you?
I want to know this because I need to plan what else I have to do in
my own defense....
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric....you said I would hear from you....I have not....
what is going on.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
You havent written to me, but I will write ot you.
I think Jason is going to concentrate on protecting ANK and turtle up.
This is what I see as our best set of moves this fall.....
Me...
NAP - ION
VEN s ROM - TUS
ROm - TUS
EAS - SMY
GRE either sup Bul or support SER - BUL or - AEG
you
ARM s EAS - SMY
BLA either s BUL - CON or convoy RUM - CON
BUL either s RUM - CON or - CON
SER either s BUL or - BUL
TYR - MUN
SIL s TYR - MUN
MUN - RUH which you explain away by saying you are looking to take
Burgandy
MOS s STP
STP h
your thoughts....it likely gets us 2 dots in Turkey...one each, which will
allow me to build what I need based on the French moves, and for you to
build another northern unit.
The more I think about it...the more the BUL - CON lookes better, because
RUM can get to the front alot faster without alot of tanglements with my
units.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
What do you hear from Eric? Is he supporting you into centers?
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Hi Ben.
> What do you hear from Eric? Is he supporting you into centers?
That is what I am proposing. He told me that i would hear from him this
weekend, but I havent yet.
Im am about to go to bed...I didnt get alot of sleep last week.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> That is what I am proposing. He told me
> that i would hear from him this weekend,
> but I havent yet.
Yes, yes, the English are very dangerous, and you need dots as France
collapses.
> Im am about to go to bed...I didnt get
> alot of sleep last week.
Tournament? Come home with lumber?
I'll be around in the morning & here & around the house for most of the
week.
Get some rest.
Ben
Message from Turkey to Italy
Frankly, I don't know if you attacking Bul will help or not. If Russia
goes for Ank, I can't stop him no matter what. If he goes for Con,
though, cutting Bul would help.
If you wanted to support Aeg into Bul, that would work as well, possibly
better. Regardless, I need to try to stay at 3 for as long as possible
to frustrate Russia and make him turn around.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
> Frankly, I don't know if you attacking Bul will help or not. If Russia
> goes for Ank, I can't stop him no matter what. If he goes for Con,
> though, cutting Bul would help.
>
> If you wanted to support Aeg into Bul, that would work as well, possibly
> better. Regardless, I need to try to stay at 3 for as long as possible
> to frustrate Russia and make him turn around.
Ok....lets talk about this.
Why arent you supporting CON - BUL instead.
AEG is uncuttable, where Con is cuttable, and it gives ANK a retreat path.
Assuming we are working on the premise that ANK is going to get dislodged.
Aside from the fact that you want armies in Bul not Fleets.
How does this sound. If it works it gives you a place to build or retreat.
Andy
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
Im really going to bed when I send this...:-)
> > That is what I am proposing. He told me
> > that i would hear from him this weekend,
> > but I havent yet.
> Yes, yes, the English are very dangerous, and you need dots as France
> collapses.
Exactly.
> > Im am about to go to bed...I didnt get
> > alot of sleep last week.
> Tournament? Come home with lumber?
Business in SF last week and a great weekend with friends, but my flight
went out of SF at 6am and I didnt sleep last night.
>
> I'll be around in the morning & here & around the house for most of the
> week.
>
Lets talk about what we need to do...
Andy
Message from Turkey to Italy
I was thinking that Con could support Ank, and try to hold the
territory, but yes con - bul with support would also be workable. Russia
does have two supports available, though, so any extra help would be
appreciated.
jason
Message from Italy to Turkey
> I was thinking that Con could support Ank, and try to hold the
> territory, but yes con - bul with support would also be workable. Russia
> does have two supports available, though, so any extra help would be
> appreciated.
I cant support Con, and BUL is likely the mover in attacking CON, so
moving to Bul is similarly not helpful...it would just bounce with the
other stuff.
the best chance we have to keep you at 3 in my opinion is this.
F AEG s A CON - BUL
F ANK - BLA
A COn - BUL
Greece can support that and if Bul is the mover (as I suspect) you get
Bul.
Andy
Message from Russia to all
Greetings all,
Well, after much packing, unpacking and schlepping of boxes, I believe that I
am close to rejoining the online world from my new locale. I'll be busy this
evening, but I think tomorrow morning and evening should find me with
sufficient time to check in.
I'll probably still have sporadic availability during the work day, but with
a phone line AND computer both in the same building, it should at least be
possible for me to communicate some. (I have yet to actually try to dial up
yet, but we'll see how that goes tomorrow AM).
Talk to you all soon,
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
Hey there Andy,
I did say that I would send you some press, and then promptly went home and
packed my computer. Sorry about that.
My first question is pre-tactics, and really comes down to what are you
looking to accomplish at this point. While Erik was on your doorstep I could
see that it made sense in terms of revenge. At this point it seems likely
that he's going to get wiped out, and it's not clear that there will no
longer be any pressure on you to be eliminated. If that's the case, then
we're talking about maneuvering for a 3WD and not a Russian solo.
I recognize that these are all points you can see as well as I can, I just
wanted to verify (or repudiate) my expectation that your goals have changed.
If we're working for a Russian solo, then suggestions that have you trading
dots to me make sense. If we're working for a 3way, then we need to be a
little more careful about how we array our units.
Either way, I think it makes sense to get you at least another unit to help
hold off the Atlantic hordes, so your plan overall sounds decent to me. If
we're working for a Russian solo, I might want to look for a way to squeeze
an extra unit for me out of the arrangement (assuming I get a chance to look
at things).
I'll try to be more responsive now that I think I've got access from home
again.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
> I did say that I would send you some press, and then promptly went home and
> packed my computer. Sorry about that.
No problem.
>
> My first question is pre-tactics, and really comes down to what are you
> looking to accomplish at this point. While Erik was on your doorstep I could
> see that it made sense in terms of revenge. At this point it seems likely
> that he's going to get wiped out, and it's not clear that there will no
> longer be any pressure on you to be eliminated. If that's the case, then
> we're talking about maneuvering for a 3WD and not a Russian solo.
Im not sure. I want to see Erik move away from me for one more season
before I believe him.
That is why my moves were couched the way that they were, it gets me a
build, probably gets you a build and I get to make that decision next
season.
> I recognize that these are all points you can see as well as I can, I just
> wanted to verify (or repudiate) my expectation that your goals have changed.
If Erik moves away from me for one more season, YES, they will change, but
I am not counting on it. Hence...hedging my bets.
> If we're working for a Russian solo, then suggestions that have you trading
> dots to me make sense. If we're working for a 3way, then we need to be a
> little more careful about how we array our units.
Agreed.
> Either way, I think it makes sense to get you at least another unit to help
> hold off the Atlantic hordes, so your plan overall sounds decent to me.
Thank you.
If
> we're working for a Russian solo, I might want to look for a way to squeeze
> an extra unit for me out of the arrangement (assuming I get a chance to look
> at things).
No problem.
> I'll try to be more responsive now that I think I've got access from home
> again.
>
No problem either.
take care
Andy
Message from Turkey to Italy
Very well, then. That's about what I had before, except for F Ank
moving. We'll see what comes out of it.
jason
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Well, I've put in my orders, which were inspired by your suggestion though
they are not exactly the same.
I hope they are not stupid. . .
Anyway I do not work again until Thursday night; I'll be around on & off as
usual.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Ben,
> Well, I've put in my orders, which were inspired by your suggestion though
> they are not exactly the same.
>
> I hope they are not stupid. . .
So do I...what did you change?
>
> Anyway I do not work again until Thursday night; I'll be around on & off as
> usual.
Cool...I will be as well, but I willb e working during the day
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> > I hope they are not stupid. . .
>
> So do I...what did you change?
Forcing HOL - BEL w/ ENG and NTH, and ordering MAO - POR and BRE - PAR,
with KIE - RUH.
Puts off the attack on STP, but that can come as soon as next year.
Mr. Nosy.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> > So do I...what did you change?
> Forcing HOL - BEL w/ ENG and NTH, and ordering MAO - POR and BRE - PAR,
> with KIE - RUH.
>
> Puts off the attack on STP, but that can come as soon as next year.
If you do MAO - BRE, you give yourself a chance at 3 builds.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
How's your dialogue with Erik? Can you pass stuff to him?
Ben
Message from Italy to England
Well enough....what would you like passed on...
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Well enough....what would you like passed on...
That depends - what have you told him?
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> That depends - what have you told him?
Nothing. Zero...we havent traded press this season.
Message from England to Italy
> Nothing. Zero...we havent traded press this season.
I was thinking you could suggest a defense of BEL, so I could get into his
home centers.
Thinking about it again I'm not sure it's (a) going to make a difference or
(b) worth your investment, so nevermind, unless you think it wise.
I should go to sleep, on the nights when I'm home. . .
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> > Nothing. Zero...we havent traded press this season.
> I was thinking you could suggest a defense of BEL, so I could get into his
> home centers.
>
> Thinking about it again I'm not sure it's (a) going to make a difference or
> (b) worth your investment, so nevermind, unless you think it wise.
>
> I should go to sleep, on the nights when I'm home. . .
If it were anyone but Erik...I would consider it...at this point he has to
consider anything I say to be a trap...
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
Is there something you would like me to suggest to Jason?
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> Is there something you would like me to suggest to Jason?
Ben,
Its too late for that.
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> Its too late for that.
*sigh* Ok, I'll just wait for the deadline, like a patient person.
Ben
England: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT Fleet Berlin
England: Fleet Berlin SUPPORT Fleet Baltic Sea
England: Army Brest → Paris (*bounce*)
England: Fleet English Channel SUPPORT Army Holland → Belgium
England: Army Holland → Belgium
England: Army Kiel → Ruhr (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Portugal (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Army Holland → Belgium
England: Fleet Norway HOLD
France: Army Belgium HOLD (*dislodged*)
France: Army Burgundy → Paris (*bounce*)
France: Army Marseilles → Gascony
France: Army Piedmont → Marseilles
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) → Portugal (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Tunis HOLD
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean → Spain (south coast) (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Smyrna
Italy: Fleet Greece SUPPORT Russian Army Serbia → Bulgaria (*void*)
Italy: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
Italy: Army Rome → Venice (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Venice → Trieste (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Armenia SUPPORT Italian Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Smyrna
Russia: Fleet Black Sea → Constantinople
Russia: Fleet Bulgaria (east coast) SUPPORT Fleet Black Sea → Constantinople
Russia: Army Moscow SUPPORT Army St Petersburg
Russia: Army Munich → Ruhr (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Rumania SUPPORT Fleet Bulgaria (east coast)
Russia: Army Serbia → Trieste
Russia: Army Silesia → Munich (*bounce*)
Russia: Army St Petersburg SUPPORT English Fleet Norway
Russia: Army Tyrolia SUPPORT Army Serbia → Trieste
Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Fleet Ankara → Black Sea
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria (*bounce, dislodged*)
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