|
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> Fair enough.
>
> I have entered the retreat, and will suffer the consequences, and see
whether
> or not we can work anything out from there.
Oh, don't be silly, of course we will work something out. It just won't be
the thing I asked for /first/.
> As to your point number three (keeping F Hel), it's not likely to happen.
It
> would only make sense if Erik moved north against you, which for many
> reasons: your upcoming builds, his infatuation with Italy, etc. is not
likely
> in the short term.
Sadly, you are correct. :-)
Who knows what the future may bring. Best of luck to you, my friend, you
will need it, in the south, which presumably you haven't written off.
Ben
Message from Turkey to France
I meant Italy will help Austria hold his position against Russia. He's a
major bulwark right now.
I understand about Mun - it's a crap shoot. Of course, had you moved in,
Eric would have done everything to take it back, so maybe it's better
this way.
jason
Message from Turkey to Italy
Orders are in for me - taking Ser and trying to keep Russia out of Ank.
France will try for Mun. If we can take 4 centers from Russia between
everyone (certainly possible), we'll be in much better shape.
jason
Message from Turkey to Russia
Balance shift?
Probably you down around 7-8, me around 6-7, and Italy about 6. If that
were to happen, I'd probably have to reconsider what was going on.
jason
Message from Italy to Russia
Eric,
You have a problem. They are all going to attack you, and they seem like
they have fairly good coordination.
This is what I think is the best set of orders for both of us....
You...
A NWY s A SWE
A SWE s F HEL - DEN
F HEL - DEN
A SIL - MUN
A BOH - VIE
A TYR s A BOH - VIE
A GAL s A SER - BUD
A SER - BUD
A UKR s F SEV - RUM
F SEV - RUM
F ARM - SEV
My moves
F GRE - BUL(SC)
F ALB - ION
F ADR - APU
A TRI - SER
A PIE is either going to Tus or holding
This is based on these things...
The Turk telling me he is supporting Rum - Ser
Ben being so damn conservative up north, its the best chance to
only lose one of the 3.
I think it gets you back BUD, RUM and maybe Denmark.
Protects SER and Munich.
And gets you Vienna...
I will hopefully stay even
Andy
Message from Italy to Turkey
> Orders are in for me - taking Ser and trying to keep Russia out of Ank.
> France will try for Mun. If we can take 4 centers from Russia between
> everyone (certainly possible), we'll be in much better shape.
Jason,
What do you suggest I do in order to get the French to not attack me.
He seems dead set on the idea.
Andy
Message from Turkey to Italy
That, frankly, is a good question. He told me he only really wants Tun
and Nap, but that doesn't mean anything. Since he sees himself bottled
up everywhere else, I'm not sure where else we can direct him.
Hopefully, after this turn, your fleets will be more released to hold
him off. At least trading Tun for Tri keeps you even.
jason
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
DEN - SWE sb SKA and
NTH - NWY sb NWG
assures NWY + (DEN or SWE)correct? I can't imagine Eric would try for NTH -
I don't think even if he got it, it would help him.
Nothing I can do about France right now; I had hoped for a Russian disband &
pressed pretty hard for it. Oh well. Next year I should have a build & the
timing will I hope be good enough.
Ben
Message from England to England
Interesting correspondence with Tony off-game, which claims he's still in the game at Russia's request. *sigh*
I will strive to keep even my conversations with the dead on-game.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> DEN - SWE sb SKA and
> NTH - NWY sb NWG
> assures NWY + (DEN or SWE)correct? I can't imagine Eric would try for NTH -
> I don't think even if he got it, it would help him.
This is a solid set of moves.
> Nothing I can do about France right now; I had hoped for a Russian disband &
> pressed pretty hard for it. Oh well. Next year I should have a build & the
> timing will I hope be good enough.
I understand.
Good luck.
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> > DEN - SWE sb SKA and
> > NTH - NWY sb NWG
> > assures NWY + (DEN or SWE)correct? I can't imagine Eric
> would try for NTH -
> > I don't think even if he got it, it would help him.
>
> This is a solid set of moves.
>
> > Nothing I can do about France right now; I had hoped for a
> Russian disband &
> > pressed pretty hard for it. Oh well. Next year I should
> have a build & the
> > timing will I hope be good enough.
>
> I understand.
>
> Good luck.
Thank you.
My schedule at work is now, 9 pm to 9 am, two days on, three days off.
I have been at work for 11 hours now.
I am ready to die. But your kind words give me the strength I will need, to
get home & collapse 60 minutes from now.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> > > DEN - SWE sb SKA and
> > > NTH - NWY sb NWG
> > > assures NWY + (DEN or SWE)correct? I can't imagine Eric
> > would try for NTH -
> > > I don't think even if he got it, it would help him.
> >
> > This is a solid set of moves.
> >
> > > Nothing I can do about France right now; I had hoped for a
> > Russian disband &
> > > pressed pretty hard for it. Oh well. Next year I should
> > have a build & the
> > > timing will I hope be good enough.
> >
> > I understand.
> >
> > Good luck.
> Thank you.
>
> My schedule at work is now, 9 pm to 9 am, two days on, three days off.
>
> I have been at work for 11 hours now.
>
> I am ready to die. But your kind words give me the strength I will need, to
> get home & collapse 60 minutes from now.
Ben,
What do you do??
>
Message from England to Italy
> What do you do??
Not a firefighter at the station, or shift work at the local steel mill. I'm a prosecutor.
In Baltimore my office does charging 24 hours a day, and I'm on six months of night duty at the jail. I volunteered - no regrets - except right now, at 8 a.m. after a night of work.
I'll get plenty of time to myself, and occasional change is a good thing.
*snore*
Ben
Message from Russia to Italy
> Eric...what the hell do you do for a university that keeps you in
> meetings this way?
:)
I guess I'd call it MIS. I'm involved in three projects that each suck up a
very significant amount of time. The meeting overload is a fairly new thing
-- started in late December and looks to continue through mid Feb at least --
as two of the projects are ramping up at the same time. If I had seen it
coming, I probably wouldn't have signed up for this game. Some of the
meetings are your typical management "planning and review" meetings (though I
like to think that at least some of them they're more productive than the
Dilbert satires) some are more working meeting, and there's lots of things
like meetings with vendors or job applicants that are taking lots of time
recently. In the next two weeks alone, I have eight four hour meetings on my
schedule before I even take into account the various 1-2 hour ones on the
calendar.
Certainly helps me appreciate my free time.
On to the game.
The moves you spell out in the north seem like the obvious ones to me. I'd
planned on just tapping Mun all along. I guess I could do Sil-Ber in the
hopes that Ben takes Bal, but that seems unlikely.
In the south, I had assumed that AT would not be cooperating. I know Philippe
has felt very isolated, and I've been trying to keep him alive while he still
has the forward armies in the hopes that he might continue to focus on you
and/or Jason. So the moves I was thinking of for the south are somewhat
different than what you proposed, primarily because I thought I might be able
to wrangle agreement for Bud S Ser. But that was more of an issue if I'm
worried about your moves.
If Bud is actually supporting Rum-Ser (which certainly would make sense) or
even not worried about Ser, then your moves look pretty darn good. If I can
get Bud focused elsewhere and I know that Rum is heading to Ser, then I might
also consider trying to force Bla (Sev S Arm-Bla). If we think that Con will
support Bla or cover Ank, then Gre S Ser-Bul would be interesting too, and
allow us to drop Turkey a lot faster (which might get you some builds in the
meantime if necessary). And that's probably the most piggish move set I can
come up with. :)
What do you think about the likelihood of any of those?
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
Ack. Got too far down the "in my head" stack on those move musings. Gal isn't
available both to support a move to Rum and to tap Bud, so taking Bla isn't
really viable. That means that to take Bul or not and what to do if Austria
offers Bud S Ser (and I choose to believe him) are the only questions.
The advantage of taking Bul, as noted, is that it allows support into Con and
leaves two non-RI units that cannot support one another.
The advantage of taking Vie and Bud is that it allows you to move all of your
units west, since I'm the only one left with units behind you at that point.
Stated that way, I'd say taking Vie and Bud sounds like the better way to go,
but your input is still appreciated.
Also, in the north I realized I spoke too soon. Other options are Hel S
Swe-Den, Nwy-Swe (risks Nwg-Bar), or Swe S Nwy, Hel-Den/Nth. Nwy S Swe is
largely a symbolic move. I expect to lose two, not just one, in the north.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
> > Eric...what the hell do you do for a university that keeps you in
> > meetings this way?
>
> :)
>
> I guess I'd call it MIS. I'm involved in three projects that each suck up a
> very significant amount of time.
What are these 3 projects and are you an engineer or management or both.
> On to the game.
>
> The moves you spell out in the north seem like the obvious ones to me. I'd
> planned on just tapping Mun all along. I guess I could do Sil-Ber in the
> hopes that Ben takes Bal, but that seems unlikely.
Burgandy is moving to Munich. You need to bounce it.
> In the south, I had assumed that AT would not be cooperating. I know Philippe
> has felt very isolated, and I've been trying to keep him alive while he still
> has the forward armies in the hopes that he might continue to focus on you
> and/or Jason.
They both sent me independent messages saying taht they were *stopping
Eric/Russia from growing* and *hopefully take 4 dots*
So the moves I was thinking of for the south are somewhat
> different than what you proposed, primarily because I thought I might be able
> to wrangle agreement for Bud S Ser. But that was more of an issue if I'm
> worried about your moves.
Which you are not, or shouldnt be.
> If Bud is actually supporting Rum-Ser (which certainly would make sense) or
> even not worried about Ser, then your moves look pretty darn good. If I can
> get Bud focused elsewhere and I know that Rum is heading to Ser, then I might
> also consider trying to force Bla (Sev S Arm-Bla).
I would do it the other way. If that is what you are going to do....leave
SEV open for a build if you are lucky.
If
we think that Con will
> support Bla or cover Ank, then Gre S Ser-Bul would be interesting too, and
> allow us to drop Turkey a lot faster (which might get you some builds in the
> meantime if necessary).
This is also a possibility. But I think CON will support BUL and BLA will
cover.
And that's probably the most piggish move set I can
> come up with. :)
>
> What do you think about the likelihood of any of those?
I think the previous moves are better than this because they are the most
random and they get the most centers back for you, and allow you to launch
and more concerted attack next year.
Andy
Message from Italy to Russia
> Ack. Got too far down the "in my head" stack on those move musings. Gal isn't
> available both to support a move to Rum and to tap Bud, so taking Bla isn't
> really viable. That means that to take Bul or not and what to do if Austria
> offers Bud S Ser (and I choose to believe him) are the only questions.
That is why my moves indicated
SEV - RUM w/UKR support and ARM - SEV
I think the way that they will protect RUM is by BUD - GAL and BLA - SEV
> The advantage of taking Bul, as noted, is that it allows support into Con and
> leaves two non-RI units that cannot support one another.
>
> The advantage of taking Vie and Bud is that it allows you to move all of your
> units west, since I'm the only one left with units behind you at that point.
>
> Stated that way, I'd say taking Vie and Bud sounds like the better way to go,
> but your input is still appreciated.
I agree with your analysis on this.
> Also, in the north I realized I spoke too soon. Other options are Hel S
> Swe-Den, Nwy-Swe (risks Nwg-Bar), or Swe S Nwy, Hel-Den/Nth. Nwy S Swe is
> largely a symbolic move. I expect to lose two, not just one, in the north.
I think that Hel s SWE - DEN and NWY - SWE is the way to go....good catch.
Andy
Message from Russia to Austria
Philippe,
So what's your take on the board? Do you like my suggestions? I can't help
but recognize that your suggested orders last season were vastly superior to
mine, so I'd like to hear your thoughts, even if they are the same as mine.
:)
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Turkey
So I have to lose centers to get balance? I thought that maybe if I just let
you plow west it might be good enough. :( Not that I blame you.
Is there any particular way you would like to get this balance? Meaning, can
we work out a way to get you into enough centers that minimizes the amount of
fighting we need to do? We did this before when we both chose not to build on
the Black, I was looking for some mechanism to let us cooperatively even the
balance enough in the same way.
--- Eric
Message from Austria to Russia
> So what's your take on the board? Do you like my suggestions? I can't help
> but recognize that your suggested orders last season were vastly superior to
> mine, so I'd like to hear your thoughts, even if they are the same as mine.
> :)
While Andy may pretend to go on the defensive against Erik,
I would expect him to try handling this threat diplomatically
as he finish what he started last spring. Even though keeping
a fleet in Ion was the prudent thing to do and moving it to Gre
instead could have forced Bul's destruction, he still went with
Ion-Gre. The only reason to do so was to make it possible to
destroy Ser, the best positionned unit you had at the time.
As for Jason, with Ank open and an army in Rum, I don't
expect him to support himself as he can attack Sev from Rum
to protect Bla, wich free Con to protect Ank.
So, I expect them to issue the following moves:
Italy: Pie-Ven, Tri-Ser, Adr-Tri supported by Alb & Gre hold.
Turkey: Bul s Tri-Ser, Rum-Sev supported by Bla & Con-Ank.
Since I don't think IT know how much I collaborate with you,
I would suggest the following to keep them guessing and still be
in position to back on the offensive next year:
Austria: Vie-Tri supported by Bud
Russia: Tyr-Ven, Boh-Mun supported by Sil, Ser-Bul, Gal-Rum
supported by Ukr & Sev with Arm supporting Sev.
Since Tri & Rum are getting attacked, there's a chance Ser will
be safe if they try something different, but you are sure of regaining
Rum whatever happen. I doubt Tyr-Ven will work, but it will at
least keep Pie away from us and in Erik's way. Boh-Mun will
allow you to attack Ber in strength next year. At last, my attack
on Tri as a chance of succeeding without making it look like we
are we collaborating closely, even a bounce would be enough to
keep it in my hand, allowing us to replace Ser with Tri in the short
term.
For the north, I simply suggest Hel-Den supported by Swe with
Nwy supporting Swe. My guess being that you will lose two of
them, only one if you are lucky.
Let me know what you think,
Philippe
Message from Russia to Austria
Ack! This is my first chance to check my personal email since late yesterday.
Overall, I think your ideas sound good. I'd love to hold onto Ser, but since
that can't be guaranteed anyway, I can see how forcing Rum is not bad as an
alternative. And besides, I'm still kicking myself for not following your
suggestions last season, so I'm inclined to listen to you more carefully. :)
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
Ack! Today was my one relatively meeting-free day all week, and it was busier
than most (I will answer that question you asked when I've got more time). At
this point I think I'm happy with the moves you outlined. I may tweak them
some if I come up with any brilliant plans. Then my last brilliant plan
(Sev-Arm, Rum-Sev) was significantly underwhelming in the end, so perhaps
it's better if I don't. :)
--- Eric
Message from France to England
Do you need any support in Holland? I will try for Munich, though
probably without success, and could easily support Hol, if you'd like.
I've been trying to get some support from Austria and/or Turkey, or even
to get them stop feuding, but I fear they may be Russian toast.
Erik
Message from England to France
Erik -
> Do you need any support in Holland? I will try for Munich, though
> probably without success, and could easily support Hol, if you'd like.
No, I don't need support in HOL. I had rather thought you'd be going to
RUH, so you could apply some pressure to MUN.
> I've been trying to get some support from Austria and/or Turkey, or even
> to get them stop feuding, but I fear they may be Russian toast.
Hm. I had thought the last moves showed some coordination, or at least a
move by Austria against Russia. You thought otherwise?
Ben
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
What gives with Austria? Was that coordinated with you?
Ben
Message from England to Austria
Philippe -
I am glad to see you working with Jason again. At least, that's what I'm
guessing from the map.
What's going on over there?
Ben
Message from Italy to England
>
> Andy -
> What gives with Austria? Was that coordinated with you?
No...and he isnt talking to me.
Message from Italy to Russia
So...are we doing my moves or not...or some vairation...let me know.
Andy
Message from Turkey to Russia
It's not that I want you to lose centers, as I can't gain them fast
enough to attain a parity to keep you from stabbing me. 4 on 1 makes it
easier to go the other way.
All I'm looking for is getting across the Balkans without having to
worry about you running the table in Europe. I'm not sure you can give
me those centers, though. Hopefully after this turn, we'll both have a
better picture of where we stand.
jason
Message from Austria to Russia
> Overall, I think your ideas sound good. I'd love to hold onto Ser, but since
> that can't be guaranteed anyway, I can see how forcing Rum is not bad as an
> alternative. And besides, I'm still kicking myself for not following your
> suggestions last season, so I'm inclined to listen to you more carefully. :)
Then I enter my orders as per my suggestion.
Good luck,
Philippe
Message from Austria to England
> I am glad to see you working with Jason again. At least, that's what I'm
> guessing from the map.
>
> What's going on over there?
I think your guess is as good as mine ;-(
At least, Erik went against Andy, wich is
good for both of us.
Philippe
Message from Russia to Italy
In that last message, I meant that we're good. I won't do anything that will
screw up your moves. The "brilliant ideas" I referred to were around whether
or not I can convince Austria to make moves (and me to believe that he will)
that might allow me to use a support to attack Bla -- I don't see changing
anything that affects your moves.
--- Eric
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> In that last message, I meant that we're good. I won't do anything that will
> screw up your moves. The "brilliant ideas" I referred to were around whether
> or not I can convince Austria to make moves (and me to believe that he will)
> that might allow me to use a support to attack Bla -- I don't see changing
> anything that affects your moves.
But are you going to leave me swinging int he breeze after I am covering
your ass this turn....:-)
I think my fleets will be important to you in the south...
Andy
Message from Russia to Italy
> But are you going to leave me swinging int he breeze after I am covering
> your ass this turn....:-)
I have no motivation to leave you swinging. If I did, there's not a single
ally left for me the rest of the game, regardless of its shape (yourself
included).
>I think my fleets will be important to you in the south...
Damned straight. There's no way either of us can beat France to Tun alone,
and if he ends up there, then he's got the best shot at a solo among those of
us remaining. I don't want that any more than you do.
--- Eric
Message from England to England
I did not lightly send my moves to Andy.
I thought it was safe, with the hope - correctly - that I will attack
France next year if all goes well. Also I am comfortable advancing the
advisee-advisor relationship, which is partly comfortable because it's
true, and also partly it's a convenient fit for keeping communications
going.
Ben
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Vienna → Trieste (*cut, destroyed*)
Austria: Army Vienna → Trieste (*bounce, destroyed*)
England: Fleet Berlin → Kiel (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Denmark → Sweden (*bounce*)
England: Army Holland → Kiel (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea → Norway
England: Fleet Norwegian Sea SUPPORT Fleet North Sea → Norway
England: Fleet Skagerrak SUPPORT Fleet Denmark → Sweden
France: Army Belgium HOLD
France: Army Burgundy → Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon SUPPORT Army Marseilles → Piedmont
France: Army Marseilles → Piedmont
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Western Mediterranean
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean → Tunis
Italy: Fleet Adriatic Sea → Apulia
Italy: Fleet Albania → Ionian Sea
Italy: Fleet Greece → Bulgaria (south coast) (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Piedmont → Tuscany
Italy: Army Trieste → Serbia (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Armenia → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Bohemia → Vienna
Russia: Army Galicia SUPPORT Army Serbia → Budapest
Russia: Fleet Helgoland Bight SUPPORT Army Sweden → Denmark
Russia: Army Norway → Sweden (*bounce, dislodged*)
Russia: Army Serbia → Budapest
Russia: Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Russia: Army Silesia → Munich (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Sweden → Denmark (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Tyrolia SUPPORT Army Bohemia → Vienna
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Fleet Sevastopol → Rumania
Turkey: Fleet Black Sea → Sevastopol (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Army Rumania → Serbia (*cut*)
Turkey: Fleet Constantinople → Ankara
Turkey: Army Rumania → Serbia (*bounce, destroyed*)
|