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Turkey: Army Serbia can retreat to Greece
Message from Germany to England and France
>I will be pushing north as promised.>
Hehehehehe. Anyway good luck guys. Russia knew my exact moves so no surprises there.
Thanks for the game
Message from Germany to all
About time :-) Have a good game guys see you in the EOG's
Message from England to France and Italy
Gentlemen -
I hope you will both agree that, by taking the northerly road passing
through BER, I am advancing several causes at once, and I continue on board
with our group plan of restriction of Russian growth, by which I mean,
taking Russian centers. Andy, your dream of German elimination finally came
true.
I will be building an army (at last).
Ben
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
As late as 2 hours before the deadline I had Germany-friendly orders in.
But I was finally persuaded Russia's offer of support was genuine, and your
broadcast made me too nervous to count on you making *England*-friendly
orders.
Neither here nor there. I have learned a lot from playing with you. Now I
will go back to watching you in Lorax. . .
Ben
Message from Germany to England
>But I was finally persuaded Russia's offer of support was genuine, and your
broadcast made me too nervous to count on you making *England*-friendly orders.>
Beware or wolves in sheeps clothing ;-)
If only you had communicated the German friendly moves to me. Russia's moves were no doubt inspired by the fact that I told him my exact moves before the deadline. I gave up waiting for a clear concice commitment from you. The fact that you didnt commit German friendly moves (via communication) led me to role the dice. It was bed time. France also failed to commnicate any commitment. In hindsight I should have supported BEL - HOL :-)
I will save comments for the EOG but my money is on Russia soloing. Good luck I will continue to follow the game and give advice here and there. Everybody has the right to my opinion. This has been my worst game ever for a long time so please dont learn anything from me. My EOG will explain why.
>Now I will go back to watching you in Lorax. . .>
Yes, one of my more usual type games. A come back from 3 sc's to a possible solo position. Knowing me and my big heart and the game developments I will stop at 17 and offer a 3 way ;-)
BTW comment3 has just finished on UVSG. A comment/spectator game like this one only no-press gunboat.
Interesting to read through the comments and study the moves. Once again more enlightning for you than my play in this game.
Tony
Message from England to Germany
Tony -
> In hindsight I should have
> supported BEL - HOL :-)
I was alittle worried about that, but I thought it was unlikely.
> I will save comments for the EOG but my money is on Russia
> soloing. Good luck I will continue to follow the game and
> give advice here and there. Everybody has the right to my
> opinion. This has been my worst game ever for a long time so
> please dont learn anything from me. My EOG will explain why.
:-) Why don't you quit the game so you can join the discussion group - as I
recall that was customary in Comments. Your call.
> BTW comment3 has just finished on UVSG. A comment/spectator
> game like this one only no-press gunboat.
> Interesting to read through the comments and study the moves.
> Once again more enlightning for you than my play in this game.
We will save my humiliation for the eog's, then.
Ben
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
It is my intention to convoy to DEN and to claim the northern centers.
I hope you will agree, this was a good course for the defense from Russia,
by eliminating one of the wild cards.
Ben
Message from England to France
Erik -
I know my moves were not a capture of DEN but I was worried about gaining
DEN and losing KIE.
My thinking was, now I can build an army and (a) Tony is out of our hair and
(b) Russia's northern centers are considerably vulnerable - I should be able
to pick up about one a year, I hope. Starting with a convoy to DEN. . .
Ben
Message from Italy to England
>
> Andy -
> It is my intention to convoy to DEN and to claim the northern centers.
>
This is a guessing game.
Your call
> I hope you will agree, this was a good course for the defense from Russia,
> by eliminating one of the wild cards.
Yes....I just wish I could have gotten a build out of it.
Message from Italy to Turkey
Jason,
I would very much appreciate you not retreating to Greece, it hurts us
both. Retreat off the board.
I can get you back into SER.
We need to work together, you can pull EAS.
I can take TRI in the spring and get you back into SER
Trust me on this Jason.....I trusted you enough to move GRE.
Andy
Message from England to Italy
Andy -
> This is a guessing game.
>
> Your call
Ok. Your contributions are always welcome.
> > I hope you will agree, this was a good course for the
> defense from Russia,
> > by eliminating one of the wild cards.
>
> Yes....I just wish I could have gotten a build out of it.
And I wish I could have given you one.
Ben
Message from Italy to England
> > Your call
> Ok. Your contributions are always welcome.
If you do this in the spring, you risk losing BER.
SKA s LON - DEN
NTH c LON - DEN
KIE s LON - DEN assuming it doesnt get cut
NAO - NWG
If it doesnt, the orders are likely
Mun s SIL - BER
SIL - BER
BOH - SIL
If it does cut KIE
the likely orders are
BOH - SIL
SIL - PRU
You are going to have a tough time taking Scandanvia and not losing KIE
and BER
Message from Germany to all
>>Why don't you quit the game so you can join the discussion group - as I
recall that was customary in Comments. Your call.>>
This had crossed my mind and I want to. I will check with the GM to make
sure.
Outside of diplomacy I can be trusted :-)
On the other hand maybe R or F would like advice from a dead man which they
can ofcourse ignore.
Soeone has to solo, no draws allowed without me. Maybe I should stay and
wheel and deal someone to a solo.
Message from Russia to Germany
Re: "About time someone eliminated you"
Whether you get this in game or on the discussion list, I wanted to follow
up.
I'm disappointed to have eliminated you, but in the end it seemed the best
choice. As you'll see on the press list, I think it was a huge mistake not to
have coordinated with you better last season (Spring) and gotten you into
Hol. I really valued having your units ahead of me, and I would *not* have
tried to reduce your size had we continued to work together (that is not
intended to blame you for my actions). But once you were so far into my
territory, it seemed that I could pick up the territory as fast as you. And
while England is in a very dangerous position relative to me, it is still
better than having him take Den, given the expectation of RT "issues" that
were about to arise.
Re: Resigning or staying in the game.
I would *more* than welcome your insights. While I'm the biggest power, I'm
facing an almost certain STL alliance. And there are just so many times that
I can correctly guess everyone's moves (see Jason and my moves in the south)!
That said, I will not be offended if you would find it more enjoyable to go
read the logs. Let me know which you decide.
Finally, I will repeat what I said earlier: I admire your tenacity. You are
hell to play against, and I mean that in the best possible way!
--- Eric
Message from Russia to France
Well, that makes things interesting. Obviously I did a poor job of convincing
Jason to stay fighting Italy (not that he would have after my moves anyway).
Sorry I didn't support you into Mun. Given that I didn't get your
confirmation that you were taking support, and knowing that the south was
likely to require a new build, I decided to gamble with Ben's plan (which was
fairly last minute itself).
I have left you in a relatively tough position, and may end up paying for it
myself -- Ben can attack me in the north as well as he can attack you with
the build he gets. As was the case prior to last season's moves, I'm happy
with my northern progress, and would be happy to see all remaining centers
(save Ber) in your hands if you want to cooperate. If you want to tell me to
frog off either due to STL concerns or because I didn't provide support to
Mun, I'll understand.
Let me know what you are thinking.
--- Eric
Message from Germany to Russia
>>Finally, I will repeat what I said earlier: I admire your tenacity. You
are
hell to play against, and I mean that in the best possible way!>
dang and to think I really played poorly, I will ofcourse explain this in
the EOG.
I am leaning towards staying in the game. When it comes down to it I would
rather have 6 lose than 3 draw.
I guess in the long run my 340 (which has probably shot up to 1340) is just
to precious ;-)
I have enquired about joing the group, maybe it is empty! I did join the
pinnacle group byt the amout of press was overwhelming. I am committed to 26
games and Pinnacle was to much. I am following the map but not the press. I
am following the comments made by the group. I will probably give my 2 cents
worth when it is the blinding obvious thing to say :-)
I have thouroughly enjoyed this game. I just ended in a draw in comment3, I
was England. The number 27 and 129? ranked players were also in the game
apparently (it was gunboat, no-press). I think I prefer these types of
games, comment no press, comment/press/spectators. I will definitely be
signing up for the next one but I wont make the mistakes I did in this one.
But more on that in the EOG. Thanks for the compliments.
tony
p.s. I think I will stay on to stir things up! it is in my own intrest after
all.
Message from Russia to England
Well, I'm sort of sorry to see him go. Added an element to the game I haven't
encountered before!
Again, I am forced to look at the move results and say "incontheivable". I
don't know if I could have come up with a better moveset than I did if I knew
everyone's moves in advance.
So what's your plan now? STL? Attack France with Italy? Both? I'm still open
to plans that give you more security if you want to cooperate -- in
particular Den for Ber might make a good swap for both of us. But I'm not
just open to one for one exchanges: I think you can fairly easily mount a
campaign against Scandinavia (that would probably cost you Ber and maybe
Kie), but we could also work that out in some more amicable fashion, that
leaves you more leeway to focus on holding Iberia.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Austria
Well, surprisingly, my gambles all paid off -- at least in the short term. I
can't tell you how much I fretted over Rum-Bul vs Rum H. Changed it several
times, and your last note suggesting it would be best move was the hardest to
refute. In the end I went with my gut (influenced by your intel) and the
result is a moveset that I don't think could have been better on our side.
Wow.
I'll be interested to see Jason's retreat. Does he take a center off of Andy
to keep the pressure on me, or does he disband as a peace offfering?
Strategically the army is probably more important, but it's a tough balance
of position vs. diplomacy.
The only bad thing is that Andy is set up to force Tri come Spring. We'll
have to figure out what we want to do about that. I'm thinking F Sev and A
War, force Turkey south, and then we should be able to get you a center to
compensate for Tri. But frankly, your ideas have been better than mine
recently, so I'd like to hear what you think as well.
And if I haven't said it enough, your help has been invaluable. Not just the
supports you've offered, but the suggestions have generally been things I
haven't thought of myself. While I haven't followed them all to the letter,
they've been really good for pointing out what I'm missing in the strategic
picture.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Germany
I'm glad to hear you'll be hanging around -- assuming of course that you're
here to help me. If you're staying around to hinder me in any way, then I
think you should really resign and go read the press/discussion logs! :)
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Italy
> I wouldnt say that is concrete, but its pretty clear that as long as you
> are gaining 2 centers every year, I wont be helping you into dots.
Damned if it didn't happen again. I was actually expecting one at best, and
had a whole "Well I only got one build -- does that mean we can cooperate
now?" message planned.
On the pro IR-side, though, I did finally get you a fairly clear path into
some of Turkey's dots if you want them.
And so long as there isn't a solo (and it seems unlikely to me that there
will be -- though we've established that I'm more of a pessimist on that
front than you are) you are likely to be one of the ones remaining standing
at the end.
The above is all meant with a good dose of humor. As before, I don't truly
expect cooperation given the current circumstances, but wanted to touch base.
And of course, I am here if there's anything you want to discuss.
Thanks for the tourney info; I thought there was something closer to me (like
in San Mateo or something) that had Edi's name associated with it. I'll see
if I can't figure out where I got that idea outside of this venue.
--- Eric
Message from Russia to Turkey
Well, I guess there ain't much to say about those moves. Our timing was in
sync, in that clearly we both thought the time for cooperation was over -- I
just got luckier in guessing the right moves (and getting outside assistance
to make them work).
While my forcing you to Gal was truly unintentional, I saw that it was going
to make cooperation between us this season next to impossible. My apologies
again for that move, since it set this situation up.
I expect there's not much to negotiate now, so I'm really just touching base.
I never quite know what to say in this kind of situation, because I don't
want to come across as patronizing, but at the same time I have a hard time
not saying anything at all (seems rude). At the least, I trust you understand
that the moves were nothing personal and just part of the game.
In any case, if there is anything you do want to talk about -- move related
or not -- I'm here.
--- Eric
Message from Turkey to Italy
Don't worry, that was the plan even before I heard from you.
jason
Message from England to England
> >>Why don't you quit the game so you can join the discussion group - as I
> recall that was customary in Comments. Your call.>>
>
> This had crossed my mind and I want to. I will check with the GM to make
> sure.
> Outside of diplomacy I can be trusted :-)
>
> On the other hand maybe R or F would like advice from a dead man which
they
> can ofcourse ignore.
> Soeone has to solo, no draws allowed without me. Maybe I should stay and
> wheel and deal someone to a solo.
Good God Tony is hard to kill. I thought it would be enough, to take his
dots. . .
He's *still* broadcasting my partial press.
Ben
Message from England to Russia
Eric -
> Well, I'm sort of sorry to see him go. Added an element to the game I
haven't
> encountered before!
I suppose. . . I don't really mind him being gone, myself. . .
> Again, I am forced to look at the move results and say "incontheivable". I
> don't know if I could have come up with a better moveset than I did if I
knew
> everyone's moves in advance.
Good, good.
> So what's your plan now? STL? Attack France with Italy? Both? I'm still
open
> to plans that give you more security if you want to cooperate -- in
> particular Den for Ber might make a good swap for both of us. But I'm not
> just open to one for one exchanges: I think you can fairly easily mount a
> campaign against Scandinavia (that would probably cost you Ber and maybe
> Kie), but we could also work that out in some more amicable fashion, that
> leaves you more leeway to focus on holding Iberia.
I'll turn it over in my mind. I'm building an army, of course.
I will probably want to lay claim to DEN or something in the near future.
We can work it out as the deadline gets closer.
Ben
Message from Italy to Russia
>
> Thanks for the tourney info; I thought there was something closer to me (like
> in San Mateo or something) that had Edi's name associated with it. I'll see
> if I can't figure out where I got that idea outside of this venue.
That is Memorial Day weekend.
Turkey: Army Serbia DISBAND
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